09-10 ILH Fantasy Hoops: Team Salary Dump

league id: 257438
password: ilhoops0910

http://basketball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/league/ilhoops

ya wellllcommmmme

(tentatively) set the draft for sunday, oct 25, 3:00 east/2:00 central

Is this the no bench one?

the very same

wait so it's 12 guys in a head to head league? this seems like madness

i mean im in but this is hardcore

how so? just dudes collecting stats and whoever wins stat categories gets "wins" for that week

is this easy to do? im a n00b

well with just 12 guys it seems like it will swing a lot with which players actually get to play 3-4 games in a given week

not much room for injury either...if (lets say) kobles goes down for three weeks do you drop him and hope to scoop him back up? or just roll with it

having 12 dudes will lessen the impact of players playing barely at all or hella a lot, unless i read u wrong and we should have more dudes to further dilute such impacts

im pretty sure its default that you can place IR guys provided they are labeled IR or DTD, but i'll check to be sure

yeah im not sure if im reading it wrong...it looks like all 12 guys play weekly and the roster is limited to 12 (except maybe w injuries). which i guess evens out since everyone will only have 12 guys for 12 spots meaning everyone has like one sg w/4 games and one sg w/2 games each week right? just thinking it might be nice to have three bench spots like a real team to grab waiver guys or have a backup for slumps ya know.

im cool with ast/to ratio but maybe its a weird stat...might devalue pgs actually? seems like it will basically be a null or negative for all non-pgs and make all but elite pgs essentially equal to bad sgs or combo guards?

vs just using assists i mean

PGs will still dominate the ratio stat (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/statistics?stat=nbaassists&sort=astto&avg=pg&seasontype=2).

theres a few cats in there who dont average a ton of assists but get enough and dont make a lot of mistakes so they get a good ratio. i feel like those dudes are pretty valuable. plus,doing it this way will allow the elite PG's to serve a more valuable role. since theyre getting so many touches and dishing so much, theyre going to have high raw turonver numbers. didnt feel rite to have a guy carrying you in assists and shooting in the foot in TOs.

Oh we still pick 12 players? I though "no bench" meant we picked, like, 5.

yeah, no bench in this case means everyone drafted plays every game (exceptions being injured dudes, you rent a baller to hold fort)

with every explanation i feel like i am the commish of XBA fantasy hoops

btw we are gonn have a foot race to determine who gets no 1 pick

oh i was thinking we just ditch TOs entirely, i dont know anyone who likes having them at all in any league although theres always a sock argument that it keeps nate robinson types from getting "too much" value

i'm kind down on a stat that ranks d fisher in the top five and rondo/nash/chauncey out of the top ten but im cool

just gotta get in that XBA mindset

I am in...with my worst team name ever!

oh i just remembered, so last year we used turnovers which i think some leagues don't do...i kind of like them because i think the deron williamses and chris paulses should be more valuable than shoot-first/butterfingers-handle "point" "guards" but maybe that is controversial y/n?

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oh i was thinking we just ditch TOs entirely, i dont know anyone who likes having them at all in any league although theres always a sock argument that it keeps nate robinson types from getting "too much" value

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zing'd

i am my own sock

now i just like everyone to be all upside, ya know

i roffled btw m bison

though I know I'm the major outlier in this, if it'd be possible at all to move the draft time to like 8 or 9 PM instead, would be great, as I'm in HK and 3 PM for you guys is 3 AM for me...

what is your name matt? i really like dj khaled el-amin

xxpost ;)

dyao, that'd be cool with me, anyone object to an evening draft (8/7c)?

on a weekend or weeknight?

same day, sunday Oct 25

just reviewed the yahoo rules and since the nba (non-xtreme bball ass) no longer has an injured list this year, there is not IR spots. sooooo, how many bench spots are appropriate? i'm thinking 1-3.

running into issue: head-to-head leagues don't cap the number of games that can be played per position, so you could (with a bench) outplay dudes based on swapping players on yr rosters which was pretty much what was trying to avoid in the first place

yeah let's roll hard w/ no bench. xtreme.

k, some options:

a) keep the no bench head2head concept, strictly 12 players. if someone gets injured, you can risk losing dude to waivers to get replacement, try to fanagle a trade, or keep him on the roster and hope your stats dont sukk

b) add an insurance bench player (or two or three) to mitigate injuries. in a head-to-head league you can shuffle around your rosters to maxmize baller-hours, but now requires keeping up with who is playing when

c) ditch head-to-head, back to roto and add some bench. this will cap number of games per position (thus bench guys would be true emergency injury types) but no thrill of mano a mano hoops stat beatdownz

if you are interested in roolz: http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/basketball/rosters/;_ylt=Air4G378hCsuW4YizNlkMlNHkCN4

xpost

also voting 'a' tbh

a!

maybe we should split up assists and tos, because i think in h-2-h an even number of categories would lead to a lot of non-nbaish ties (or maybe we could add some other category, as long as there's an odd number)

wins and losses are determined by the individual categories as opposed to an aggregate of said categories (so if you get 4 and the other guy gets 4, you both have a 4-4 record as opposed to a tie each)

oh ok

draft time upgrayedd:

October 25, 7:30 CDT

sweet, tnx

ah ok i see why i was confused: i thought we set rosters and locked them in for the week, which means any bench guys would either have to go in for the week or stay in reserve. if it's day-to-day roto style roster shuffling, i say no and lets stick with A for the strictly hardcore. if we can lock in a weekly roster, i wouldn't mind an option A-point-one with even just one or two bench guys for insurance.

i think the weekly lock-in is how it worked when we did espn or nba.com h2h a year or two ago but i dunno if yahoo supports it... i think i was thinking it worked that way from the start bcuz of fantasy footballs

ayo, right now we got 7 squads, gotta even that out, so we need an odd # of ppl to add on

GETTING EXCITED

need more teams! cmon ILH get in

draft sunday night siren.gif

http://web.mit.edu/~schultze/www/blog/siren.gifdrudge needs to make an orange siren for nba updates, this some antiquated aba shithttp://web.mit.edu/~schultze/www/blog/siren.gif

Still need at least one more player for this...

http://www.nba.com/media/allstar2008/dhoward_627_080215.jpg

uncle jam wants u

we got 8, it's onnnnnnnn

Do I need to do anything in advance before I log in? When do I log in?

I think it suggests 10-15 minutes beforehand. And all you need in advance is to have flash installed I believe.

draft is open. WE DOIN THIS.

First week matchups:

Valentine's @ Z-Bo's vs. Allenby Bassett

Basketball Galactica vs. ¡Boumjeboumjepau!

DJ Khaled El-Amin vs. SilverandBlack

the bigcountryreeves vs. purple stuff

Place your bets.

Bigcountry reeves:

1. (1) Chris Paul PG
2. (16) Kevin Garnett PF
3. (17) Al Jefferson PF,C
4. (32) Gerald Wallace SF,PF
5. (33) Kevin Martin SG
6. (48) Elton Brand PF,C
7. (49) Jason Richardson SG,SF
8. (64) Stephen Jackson SG,SF
9. (65) O.J. Mayo SG
10. (80) Rasheed Wallace PF,C
11. (81) Zach Randolph PF,C
12. (96) T.J. Ford PG

I had people over and totally forgot about the draft, but I like my team. hard to complain about chris paul and al jefferson.

How does our scoring on this actually work? Like, does the system add up all 12 players' assist/turnover and then divide by 12, or does it total the assists and turnovers for the whole team and then calculate a ratio? Same question w/r/t scoring %s I guess?

(Have never played fantasy bb before, plz send trades involving Lamar Odom)

wrt categories with percentages, if bball is anything like fantasy ice soccer, theyll calculate based on fta/ftm during that week as opposed to getting 81% game and 100% the next then dividing by 2

Okay so if we have no bench spots then could you please remove the condition that says we can't dump our first four picks in the draft? I couldn't be there for the draft and now I have Antawn Jamison and there goes ten games because I can't move him. See what I'm saying?

DJ Khaled El-Amin

was this a display name? i lol'd

and who is

purple stuff

is this a ref to chappelle?

JS yes that was one of my first display names

I got another good team name in the rafters, waiting to unfurl it like a retired number

Cave17Matt with your blessings i can manually remove mr jamison from the premises of yr squad

j0rdan i am team purple stuff, it is a ref to slim thug's verse in "3 kings"

m bison will this be the case for everyone -- if one of yr top four picks gets injured you have to carry them all year long no matter what? because if this is the case then i guess i'll just hold onto jamison as he's coming back in 10 or 15 games or so.

si, you can trade them, but you can't cut them

the master can't cut list is here: http://basketball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/nba/257438/cantcutlist

okay then, i'll stop whining. week four, here i come!

who drafted blake? sorry dude :o(

me :(

on a related question, what is up with a TWO DAY WAIT on the waiver wire? wtf

should have known clippers curse would strike immediately

paging m bison though...we should knock that wait time down for MORE INTENSITY

look under your seat

http://static.oprah.com/images/tows/200409/20040913/20040913_103_350x263.jpg

NO WAIVERS!!!!

0_*

Wait wait so if I add a guy & drop someone halfway through the week do I still get my old guy's stats in the mix for the days he played? If not can I just drop anyone who's shooting is off?

yeah, any stats you log from a dropped guy will stay logged, adding a neu dude will count neu dude's stats after the add

Whoa - and there's no 82 game limit? This is gonna be CRAZY

rgggh its still making me wait till thursday. maybe its because the league hasn't started yet? or the waiver change officially registers tonight? (then it happens wednesday = lineup ready for thurs)

no need to tweak it anymore, im just confused

so lost now that blake griffin has died

fantasy-wise

guys right now jason kidd's assist/to ratio is INFINITY i win FOREVER

omg mbison you have created a monster. is there gonna be live stats updating all year? bcz if there is, i'm not quite sure yet how I will be able to balance my fantasy team with continued employment. so well done!

Wait if I add new players they can't play this week??? WTF?

Stattracker is amazing

Oh wait they can! Just the day after it processes? Why does it tell who they're playing on the day before that then gah.

So if I add someone today, he can't play until the 30th? Is that right? This is confusing.

yup-- it looks like if you put in the request for a waiver today (Wednesday), it will process tonight (like midnight when most fantasy stats turn over) and you'll have the guy officially on your roster for the following day- meaning Friday. Now that I get it I actually think this is good to discourage cycling your entire roster daily for whoever is playing a game, but still being able to react fast to bad news.

infinity a/t ratios are so awesome

i have a question about that. so at the end of the week is it calculating a/t for the whole team-- in other words lets say 300 asts / 100 turns is your team ratio-- and not adding up and dividing the individual a/t ratios, right? that would be weird right? in other words PGS should have more "weight" than random big who gets 1 ast to 1 to per game for a 1 ratio.

^^ yup, done cumulatively based on raw stats (this is how j kidd had ∞ last night but was folded into my team's a/t ratio of 2.44

A. Randolph 09:58 F U NELLIE are u gonna do this all season?

he's banged up iirc

man one of my can't cut guys is down for the next week or two.

totally lame rule imo.

I forgot that J.R. Smith was suspended for the first 7 games 囧

also what is allenby-basset doing with the whole add-drop thing; is he trying to squeeze in more games to the week?

looks like it...and looks like a bunch of you are copying him now

have we violated the spirit of the league?? maybe m bison needs to up the waiver time again, sorry i bitched abt it

did not think thru this implication

oh never mind looks like still some early adjusting and obv GALLINARI deserves a spot somewhere right now!!

just picked him up tbh <3

yeah i made some moves today but it's more about adjustment and grabbing guys who are playing shockingly well early on and getting rid of dudes who aren't playing well. standard fantasy stuff imo.

thought that no bench meant that any time you add/dropped players, they would automatically fill the slot instead of sitting on your bench :o(

my team is pretty lol right now, only wish I had picked up s-jack before clay

no worries though j.r. smith is the anti-sjack

don't you mean My Name Is Earl Smith III

I think part of the secret of this league is figuring out who allenby-bassett will drop and when he will drop them. so you can snatch up your s-jack's and so forth.

how am i so bad this year, i'm the commish!!!!

I MAKE THE RULES

ok btw i am the champion, y'all are playing for 2nd place fwiw

fuckin dirk, how the hell are you not gonna hit any threes at all!

think I figured out a/t - it actually puts point guards at a disadvantage, whereas before point guards would help you in two categories - assists and TOs - now they can really only help you in one. also TO prone guys benefit in this system since the a/t absorbs the damage.

but what do I know I'm in lol 7th place

also Allenby-bassett continuing with the torrid pace of add drops - pretty sure he's gaming the system to get maximum amount of games per week - isn't this what we were trying to prevent with the whole no bench thing

yes i suggest a max moves per week rule capping around 4 or 5, if not this year then next.

also i am so over a/t ratio. works better as separate categories imo.

yeah, either capping the max moves a week or adding a waiver period (so you can add however many dudes you want but you gotta wait some days)

ast/to is gangster, no mercy

5 moves max per week right now, doin a test run

rad work, thanks!

allenby-bassett is hard to love

i'm takin' him down this week

yeah he used all his adds in the last minute and beat me 6-2 - tho his drop did give me ray allen, so maybe i shouldnt complain

maybe cap the amount of moves allowed at (the quite reasonable) 100?

fuck my team is terrible

clay's gonna take it anyway unless two more of his players get caught with gunzz

Getting my ass kicked this week iirc

anyone want an out for a month chris paul? i cant afford any more injuries, but think he's worth more than waiver-wire pickup du jour

half a pack of reds and dibs on the rest of my burrito, y/n

mmmmm yes

playoffs start next week!

yay!

get pumped

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-WA4xEal2s

blatche keep your head togehter

wow i had no idea ben gordon had been so bad this year

dyao it will be fun getting crushed by your amazing collection of giant centers and shoot-first guards this week

so what's our playoff tiebreaker criteria?

reg season matchup

i could be looking at 5th place buddayyyy

pretty sure i'm gonna get roasted in the championship matchup.

congrats dyao!

?? doesn't it go until the 14th?

oh maybe? i figured it was end of the week like every other week has been.

oh yes, it says it there right at the top, i'm a dummy. PLAY ON!

yeah DURANT PLZ TO TAKE A REST BEFORE PLAYOFFS ;_;

^ (actually would accept that as I don't think I have much of a chance and okc is battling with my boys for seeding right now)

http://basketball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/nba/257438/matchup?mid1=5&mid2=12&week=24

omg tied going into tha final nite (tiebreaker goes to better record iirc)

also, since i have 5th place kinda locked up im going to be mad stupid superstitious and bench jason kidd 2nite so i have nothing 2 gain from a good mavs team

congrats clay!

darren collison ftw!

you were up all week dyao, and i share this beautiful accomplishment with you in spirit.

btw, since only i will notice this: back-to-back ilx fantasy hoops championships for yours truly. i am the phil jackson of fantasy ball.

congrats!!!

lets not get ahead of ourselves, clay, right now u r rudy t at best

also congrats, dyao defeats truman-style upset!

btw dubbing myself most improved player by jumping from 7th to 5th in the consolation round

btw thankin you again m bison-aka- the young david stern for setting this all up!

aw thx, btw knicks are geting patrick ewing next year, dont tell ne1

To anyone able and willing to answer: what's the scoop on this coming season? I'd love to join the league, if it's set up and I'm welcome.

probably won't be set up ready until october since i dont think yahoo opens up registration until around then, keep your internet machine dialed into this station 4 more details @ that time

Yahoo's opened registration!

Sorry. If it isn't obvious, I'm embarrassingly excited for this season. Been thinking of Hunter S. Thompson's suicide note, the aptly-titled "Football Season Is Over," since the playoffs've ended. I'm not feeling anywhere near as low as he, of course, but it is a bit hard to just follow trades and FIBA ball for this long--especially with classes just starting again and all.

Stoked to join my first fantasy league with you folks. That's all. Ready when you are.

i've never done fantasy bball before but i'd like to get back into following the nba and it seems like a good way to force myself to learn who's who these days

^^ how I feel about baseball

but yeah I am eager to AVENGE MY DEFEAT and would like to point out MY STARTING FIVE HAS NEVER LOST

haha good point doc rivers

was every1 plzd with last year's format? i have the option of renewing last year's league

I feel like the assist/to ratio ended up not being worth fighting for

I would join this if you charming people will have me. If you're lucky I will be the punching bag of the league like I am in the ilbeisbol fantasy group.

oh can i get back in? i was in the ilx league like years ago... i always lost tho...

yes so psyched to get back on the fantasy hoops

would like to renew the head-to-head league but yeah, as dyao said, assist/turnover wound up making sense to some folks (not me) and kind of throwing off talent evaluation. i say zap that for straight assists (and maybe no turnovers if the league is big so everyone can get a pg or two?)

if there's mad demand i would be willing to revive our old roto-scoring style league too, but i say we fill the head-to-head version first

basically the way I broke it down was that there are only a few players (namely PGs) who will dominate the a/t cat. if you fill your team with those kinds of people it puts you at a pretty big disadvantage when going h2h with teams full of jackers and gunners + rebounding big men who can score, cause they'll be dominating points + 3's + boards

k, no TO's then, and assists are ok'd (SWAGGER JACKERS LEAGUE)

Yeah - I drafted Jose Calderon pretty early last time, and was kinda surprised at the non-effect, like he never turned the ball over but because he didn't actually get many assists his great individual ratio didn't really help the team?

Player I came to hate last season through fantasy basketball - RASHARD LEWIS

yeah - it would be nice if yahoo calculated the a/t as an average of the actual percentage instead of counting up all your assists + turnovers... would that actually have been better?

The problem is that sometimes people get INFINITY - I guess there's no way to average that.

This....right here...is my...Rudy. Gay. Swag. (ayyyyyyyy!): ILH 10-11 fantasy hoopz