they reminisce over yao -- 2010/2011 regular season second half thread

Eastern Conference

1. * Boston --
2. * Miami --
3. * Chicago 2.0
4. Orlando 5.5
5. Atlanta 6.5
6. New York 12.0
7. Philadelphia 14.0
8. Indiana 16.0
9. Charlotte 17.0
10. Milwaukee 19.5
11. Detroit 20.5
12. New Jersey 24.5
13. Washington 25.0
14. Toronto 26.0
15. Cleveland 31.0

Western Conference

1. * San Antonio --
2. Dallas 6.0
3. * LA Lakers 8.5
4. * Oklahoma City 10.0
5. Portland 14.0
6. New Orleans 14.0
7. Denver 14.5
8. Utah 15.5
9. Memphis 15.5
10. Phoenix 18.0
11. Golden State 19.5
12. Houston 20.5
13. LA Clippers 25.0
14. Sacramento 31.5
15. Minnesota 33.0

also i propose that the ilh board description be changed to kevin durant's twitter bio for reasons of being otm:

IM ME, I DO ME, AND I CHILL

nice

so the underrated part of this knicks-nuggs-t wolves trade is that if it goes down we will get to witness the triumphant new york return of renaldo balkman

from yahoo

The proposal, which was first reported by CBS Sports, will send Danilo Gallinari(notes), Raymond Felton(notes), Wilson Chandler(notes) and the Knicks’ 2014 first-round pick to Denver. The Knicks would also trade Anthony Randolph(notes) and Eddy Curry’s(notes) expiring contract to the Minnesota Timberwolves, who would send Corey Brewer(notes) to the Nuggets. The Knicks would receive Anthony, Chauncey Billups(notes), Shelden Williams(notes) and Renaldo Balkman(notes).

The Knicks aren’t willing to include center Timofey Mozgov(notes) in the deal, the source said.

The Nuggets continue to measure the Knicks’ revised offer against the New Jersey Nets’ bid, which is built around rookie forward Derrick Favor and four first-round draft picks, said a source involved in the talks. Keeping Anthony no longer appears to be an option, the source said.

Anthony has told confidants throughout All-Star weekend he’s hopeful he’ll be traded to the Knicks, but thinks the talks could drag to Thursday’s 3 p.m. ET deadline. He met with Nets owner Mikhail Prokhorov and other team officials on Saturday, but has given no indication of wanting to sign the three-year, $65 million extension with New Jersey.

After denying he had any plans to meet with Anthony, Prokhorov told CNBC on Sunday that the two had a “fantastic” meeting. A source with knowledge of the meeting, however, told Yahoo! Sports that Anthony didn’t give the Nets any reason to feel confident about their chances to convince him to commit to the extension.

“I think we made a very good tactical decision to force [the] Knicks to pay as much as they can,” Prokhorov said.

here's the link on that http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AvMJZ4BPlanOrSmEcdFXHeO8vLYF?slug=mc-anthonyknicks022011

The Knicks aren’t willing to include center Timofey Mozgov(notes) in the deal, the source said.

this can't be isiah's work

MOZGOV

WojYahooNBA/Adrian Wojnarowski. The Nets puncher's chance to get'Melo is muck up the waters, create chaos and steal him at end. Prokhorov wants the star -- not spare parts.

the thread title is kind of freaking me out

hahah

forks, can u fix the spelling of "reminisce"

and the spelling of 'dayo' thx

twitter saying melo to nyk about to go down but I can't even tell what's real anymore so

l: clay r: carmelo

http://www.turnoffyourtv.com/commentary/videomemory/matrix1.jpg

basically yes exactly

I think there's a lot of (1) strategic "leaking" and (2) HEY LOOK AT MY TWITTER FEED going on

nuggetsnews Benjamin Hochman
by fivethirtyeight
TRADE official, source told Denver Post. Melo to Knicks www.denverpost.com/sports
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haha this graphic

http://grab.by/954g

:(

shit appears imminent

this is p awesome

The Nuggets traded Melo to the New York Knicks tonight, a league source said. Denver gets Wilson Chandler, Raymond Felton, Danilo Gallinari, Timofey Mozgov, the Knicks 2014 first-round draft pick, the Warriors' 2012 second-round pick, the Warriors' 2013 second-round pick and $3 million in cash.

Anthony will go to New York, along with Chauncey Billups, Shelden Williams, Anthony Carter and Renaldo Balkman.

of all the crap I follow, didn't think I'd get re melo news broken by 538

lol otm

that said, i do feel bad for raymond felton

stodamire/melo/danatoni is a triumvirate i can appreciate

feltons prob gonna get flipped again i hear

knicks kinda fleeced devner, none of those players/picks are that good

melo's interview with conan that is on tonight is gonna be hilarious

too bad its not live

yeah are any of those pieces really going to help the nuggs?

also, i have to admit that i was warming up to the idea of hating dani for the foreseeable future -- feel kinda robbed of a villain

Knicks get the best and also second best player in the deal. Always a good sign.

man nuggs were in the conf finals what, two years ago, and now they've absolutely blown up their team. Hard to get a sense of what that roster will even look like by next season.

you could make an argument that felton and billups are relatively even at this point, but yeah

are the knicks even better than the hawks right now

they'll flip Felton for draft picks and expiring deals and "build" around Ty Lawson I expect n

billups on his last legs

probably not xxp

randolph to the wolves too -- kahn lowkey pimpin

knicks cleaning house!

how many ppl even are on the knicks' roster right now?

4 iirc

Maybe Isaiah is coming back as a player not a coach.

player/coach/gm

isiah actually killed spike lee & is wearing his skin

btw balkman thrown in p much verifies that isiah is back in the mix no

i'm overjoyed by the balkman part

haha what why

billups on his last legs

I dunno man. He puts up numbers. Slowing on D though.

haha what why

― ice cr?m, Monday, February 21, 2011 10:47 PM (30 seconds ago) Bookmark

just because of how vilified the pick was at the time

hah ok

maybe somehow they can get jordan hill back

I dunno man. He puts up numbers. Slowing on D though.

― reggaeton for the painfully alone (polyphonic), Monday, February 21, 2011 10:47 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

yeah he can still shoot but def declining p rapidly imo

so is tony douglas the knicks starting center now?

turiaf?

LOL

stodamire?

my god

according to hollinger's numbers this trade makes all 3 teams worse

billups-douglas-melo-stoudemire... profit?

heat-knicks this sunday btw

according to hollinger's numbers this trade makes all 3 teams worse

― Clay, Monday, February 21, 2011 10:58 PM (51 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

http://media.photobucket.com/image/ilxor.com%20panda%20gif/WidowOfDestiny/Jiggle_Panda.gif

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v617/WidowOfDestiny/Jiggle_Panda.gif

fivethirtyeight Nate Silver
The only contracts the Knicks have on the books for 2012/13 are Amare ($20M), Carmelo (~$22M), Balkman ($1.7M).
4 minutes ago

that will surely be fun

all-star level defensive intensity 4 sure

like clay said

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5175/5467397828_e0f756dc93.jpg

they'll quite obviously have either cp3 or d will

this is the greatest trade-event in NBA history tbqh

they'll quite obviously have either cp3 or d will

― pop the s1ock (J0rdan S.), Monday, February 21, 2011 11:06 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

yeah sure those dudes will fit nicely under the new salary cap

ya i forgot about that -_-

Cap is gonna be lower; I expect that their space will not be enough for a max free agent. No reason for cp3 or dwill to turn down the max - they won;t be making it up later, especially if bird rights disappear as well.

This trade is great if cba was going to stay the same, but it isn't, and if there is no rollback of salaries the Knicks are hosed.

xposts

the other teams will be laughing signing players for half the old max while new york is all hay we only have 6 guys a little help over here plz

Anthony Randolph and Darko together at last.

got tix to knicks-jazz, should be interesting

deron williams is gonna handcuff himself to amare

fivethirtyeight Nate Silver
There are ~8-10 guys in the NBA who are worth way more than the max contract. MIA has two right now. If they signed Paul, NYK would have 1.
10 minutes ago

cold

does any contending team in the east have a true center

is orlando contending?

hah I still kind of think of dwight as an oversized PF.

what are the teams with the biggest/best frontlines right now? lakers, celts, spurs (?), wolves (when darko shows up)

chandler/nowitzki, camby/aldridge -- prob 2nd tier but good offense/defense combos.

chandler/nowitzki is elite!

does chandler even stay healthy

how is nowitzki on defense?

I dunno man. (billups) puts up numbers. Slowing on D though.

oh that won't be a problem with these NYK.

nowitzki is an alright defender a v good rebounder and the best scorer at his position - hes the best power forward in the nba and a perennial mvp candidate - chandler is an elite defender and rebounder and plays so well w/in his limited offensive talents that hes shooting 65% from the field this year - obvs he had injury problems but in 3 out of the last 5 seasons hes been healthy and an absolute beast - imho chandler/nowitzki is the best starting front court in the nba

Dallas can be real scary looking
Will they finally put it together when it counts? i still doubt it

i think theyre one piece away

they aight

wonder if they could trade beaubois for some vet help on wing

http://grab.by/95Dq

reminisce

ny getting corey brewer seems like a sneaky good part of this deal- brewer and fields seem like two good wing defenders who can run with amare and melo and make up for some of their defensive, shall we say, disinterest

ny didn't give up fields right? this thing is so huge, losing track

btw can i just say christ, finally

don't have to hear about melo during every nat'l tv game and i sincerely doubt denver will be on tv every freakin week next year

if there's a next year

http://zolengthe.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/2012-end-of-the-world.jpg

brewer and fields seem like two good wing defenders who can run with amare and melo and make up for some of their defensive, shall we say, disinterest

hey leave some for shelden williams!

i predict they get a good year out of chauncey, imo up to him to dignify this in the short term. a mozgov away from being a sorta good trade mores the pity

celebrating the status quo over here, glad its over is right

WallaceHeatNBA. Guy I feel bad for in Melo trade is Felton. Turned down more $, longer deals for a 2-yr gig in NY. Wanted to be there.

hey leave some for shelden williams!

having watched nearly every celtics game last year and (as noted above) an untenable number of nuggets games this year, can i just say, shelden is straight garbage

shelden's wife is better than he is

Shelden's wife has hands instead of flippers.

WallaceHeatNBA/One low-budget move I'd try if I'm Miami: See if Grizzlies would take Chalmers, Joel and 32nd pick for either Mayo or Thabeet.

not sure how this is doable/wise. i figured mayo has some real value, and thabeet is tall (7'3), but his numbers are anemic (1.1PPG; 1.5RPG; 0.9BPG).

you don't want thabeet

yeah, i think that's right. he's got height and maybe bulk, but we drafted a guy who has that, too, and apparently has real talent (just needs seasoning).

centers who can play dont slip to the 2nd round man

nor will oj mayo be had for miamis bag of poo

lol! yeah, i hear that about pittman. my knowledge of him is limited, but when i saw him play a few times (one game i remember was against duke) he looked very, very good.

i think the reason he slipped to the second round was his weight, but he's dropped maybe 30 -- 35 pounds since entering the nba.

thabeet didn't go in the second round?

no, but he can't play either

seriously it doesnt matter abt the weight no center w/any hope of doing anything in the nba has ever slipped to the 2nd round - centers are v valuable - i mean the statement is p much true for the 1st half of the 1st round even - not to mention hes already 22 - if he was gonna show something it wouldve already happened - in fact if he had any skills he would be getting some burn for the heat right now as they have a dire need for even passable center play

thabeet didn't go in the second round?

― kl0p's son (k3vin k.), Tuesday, February 22, 2011 4:08 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

lol

oh lol

sorry my uconn stann-alarm was tripped

oh ha i thought u were making a joek

thabeet would be the worst idea ever

oj mayo's a nice player but what use does he have for the heat

er, what use do the heat have for him

damp has been going hard in the paint lately

dampening the paint

karl's excited

VicLombardi Vic Lombardi
Go back and read my tweets this hour. G Karl without #Carmelo = happy, relieved, invigorated. We'll see if he's right.
1 hour ago Favorite Retweet Reply

VicLombardi Vic Lombardi
George: "I want to win 18 more games this season. If we go 18-7 and beat Ok City twice, we can get homecourt in playoffs"
1 hour ago

VicLombardi Vic Lombardi
Finally from George: "I want to coach a team that is willing to play the right way. That window has opened".
1 hour ago

VicLombardi Vic Lombardi
I get the feeling George was never a big fan of Melo's game. He tolerated his game, because the team won. But coulda won more.
1 hour ago

VicLombardi Vic Lombardi
I asked Al Harrington about whose going to pick-up the scoring slack. Another snicker. "We can find scorers. Not a problem"
1 hour ago

VicLombardi Vic Lombardi
Karl: "I think Josh and Masai hit a home run". Okay, I think we have substantial evidence the coach likes the deal.
1 hour ago

VicLombardi Vic Lombardi
All in all, this coach seems eager to prove this team can win without a superstar. Can't wait to find out.
1 hour ago

VicLombardi Vic Lombardi
Karl: "we haven't been a play-hard team. I want to be faster with the basketball. Carmelo was never fast with the ball"
1 hour ago

VicLombardi Vic Lombardi
I asked George how he's gonna replace 28 pts a night, he sorta snickered: "you think I like the way we played with Melo?"
1 hour ago

VicLombardi Vic Lombardi
He not only believes they'll make the playoffs, Karl thinks "we'll be a threat in the playoffs".
1 hour ago

VicLombardi Vic Lombardi
Just interviewed the Nuggets (what's left of them) and George Karl. Karl very upbeat.

wow

Finally from George: "I want to coach a team that is willing to play the right way. That window has opened".

ooohh

maybe nene can score like 30 points? he always passes the ball , and i don't know why

hes v selective/efficient - he doesnt do a ton of things well offensively but he knows what hes good at and does it v effectively

no doubt his scoring will increase some

melo being a pain in the ass is nothing new. remember the whole thing about him refusing to let karl bench him during a game

nene would be kind of incredible in a wide open system

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRQEePKUWwI

and especially

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mz8jmTWwoiM

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/03/03/AR2009030303835.html

george karl is an asshole

lol

source?

In my world of lolknick fans they all seem to be happy about the deal

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/03/03/AR2009030303835.html

lol page 2

-- TRAIL BLAZERS: C Greg Oden is expected to miss at least another week because of a bone chip in his left knee.

-- GRIZZLIES: Veteran C Chris Mihm had surgery on his right ankle, and the team said there is no timetable for his return.

-- CELTICS: F Brian Scalabrine is expected to miss about a month due to the effects of concussions that have bothered him since January.

news i can make no use of

VicLombardi Vic Lombardi
I asked George how he's gonna replace 28 pts a night, he sorta snickered: "you think I like the way we played with Melo?"

If only Karl was in some sort of position to affect how the denver nuggets played. He is sad about billups leaving though:

"I can't deny that when the trade went down last night, I was kind of more sad than happy," Karl said after his team's short-handed shootaround Tuesday. "I think most of that sadness was because of Chauncey -- and A.C. a little bit, too."

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=6148358

bull flip james johnson to raps for first round pick (miami's), prepping for a different deal?

prob trying to get a 2, plz dont let it be anyone too good

yeah seriously

was looking at hoopshype's salary board and noticed rasheed is still on the c's payroll for over 6M this year and next. so if he retired, are they still paying him and does he count against the cap?

this was just addressed on twitter today

@LarryCoon $457,239 this season and $491,109 next season. RT @evansclinchy: How much are the celtics playing Rasheed in his buyout?

i realize that doesnt particularly answer yr question - you should tweet at larry coon tho cause he knows

is james johnson really worth a first round pick or is colangelo low key trollin

sheed does not count against the cap iirc

isn't that why they were able to sign j. o'neal

i feel like he has to count, at least the amount of his buyout if not his whole previous salery

he did file papers right? if he filed papers he doesn't count because he forfeited his salary.

o rly idk

yeah idk either but this is what the internet is telling me

is james johnson really worth a first round pick or is colangelo low key trollin

It's a good deal for Toronto - they get a known quantity in Johnson with a affordable contract (5 years/11 mill), and unload a very late 1st round pick in what is expected to be a low talent draft. Toronto's 2nd rounder is only going to be a few spots behind the Miami 1st, but without the guaranteed contract.

yeah idk either but this is what the internet is telling me

― call all destroyer, Tuesday, February 22, 2011 9:05 PM (58 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

o cool its true then

I think he's only got 3 years and a few months left on that 5 year deal.

xpost

Despite acquiring Carmelo Anthony, the Knicks apparently aren't resting on their laurels. One of the reasons the call to complete the Anthony deal has been held up all afternoon is New York continues to look at more trade possibilities.

Sources say that the Knicks were looking to bring a fourth team into the deal in order to unload Corey Brewer. Several teams were interested, including the Celtics, but New York couldn't work things out.

One source said that Celtics GM Danny Ainge was actually trying to recruit a fifth team to take Nate Robinson and a Boston first-round pick to complete the deal for Brewer. However, by the end of the afternoon, the Knicks decided to pull the trigger on the deal with Brewer going to New York.

meh corey brewer, prob best that one didnt go down

why not just a 16 team trade at this point

o cool its true then

― ice cr?m, Tuesday, February 22, 2011 9:06 PM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

yeah exactly!!

interesting article re knicks/melo respective style of plays and how they could mesh http://nbaplaybook.com/2011/02/22/what-does-the-carmelo-anthony-trade-mean-for-the-knicks-offense

good stuff but could they have colored that chart in something other than shades of orange?

lol also there is no key or explanation

graph looks like an interior design scheme for a wild and exotic spaceship

i have been watching star trek tng for three hours and that post is otm

^ the comments that made me finally click on that link.

anyways the only other thing i would say about that is that i'm not so convinced d'antoni runs much of a "system" and his players prob freelance a lot--so if melo wants to post up or whatev i think the offense will "adjust"

its not a system its a way of life

rondo's got 10 pts and 3 ast midway thru 1st Q

the warriors always look like a bunch of chickens with their heads cut off

looks like denver won't have trouble scoring.

yup they just have to rely on jr smith for 35+ mins and 25+ points a night!

count on it

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AhExfsKQ9VKN.uTwwZGt6Y68vLYF?slug=ys-tradebuzz022211

Troy Murphy is a Warrior again, FINALLY

celtics allowed 60 in the first half and 33 in the second, way to lock it down after i went to bed guys

The Charlotte Bobcats seem intent on moving Gerald Wallace to a new team by the Thursday deadline and have aggressively courted the Mavericks, Rockets, Clippers, Pacers and Cavs. The asking price has been an expiring contract and a protected first-round pick.

So far they've been unable to get a team to bite, though there have been rumblings Wednesday morning that the Cavs may use their $14.5 million trade exception generated in the LeBron James sign-and-trade this summer to land Wallace by the deadline.

seems like hed be perfect for the mavs

ESPN.com's Chad Ford wrote on Tuesday that New Orleans was talking to everyone in the league and all that time on the phones has paid off.

ESPN.com's Marc Stein reports the Hornets will acquire Carl Landry from the Kings on Wednesday.

According to The Times-Picayune, the Hornets will send Marcus Thornton and cash to Sacramento for Landry.

The salaries don't match up so the Hornets will use one of their trade exceptions to take back Landry, who is expected to back up David West at power forward.

good pick up for the hornets, landry can play

The Nets and Jazz, sources said, are closing in on a multi-team trade that would send Williams to New Jersey, with the Nets' Derrick Favors and Devin Harris going to Utah.

WHAAAAAA

no way, cant be true

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2011/0210/nba_g_williams_b1_576.jpg

"it's true bro"

deal would also involve golden state and utah receiving draft picks

teams be loving them some derrick favors

maybe theyll rehire sloan

waht is the source of this rumor

chadfordinsider Chad Ford
Amazing. One day after Knicks beat Nets for Melo, Nets trump Knicks deal by landing DWill ... Williams > Melo
2 minutes ago

got to agree w/chad there

damn feels like the end of an era out west; nuggs and jazz getting blown up, phoenix officially irrelevant, might be the last run for the mavs and spurs

troo

*sniffle*

now we just need to find nash a home

got to think jazz will look to move kirilenko and jefferson at this point

yeah they should at least be trying. ak47 would have some value on a competing team. jefferson is a mystery at this point but a fresh start couldn't hurt.

also mike miller is apparently getting shopped around; i guess having a center or a pg is more important than a 6th man.

he who wants this old injured 40% shooting marksman! hello? hello?

hes got a brand new five year contract, eh

jesus i forgot they gave him 5 wtf were they thinking

ak47 is junk dude had like one good season

and hes been playing out of position since then!

always seemed like most of his problems were in his head/from having an abusive coach

its because hes a pf!

this is nuts, doubly so after sloan just stepped down

i agree the jazz have gone totally insane

i srsly wonder if this is a prelude to bringing sloan back

does he have it in him for another rebuild ?

now we just need to find nash a home

― ice cr?m, Wednesday, February 23, 2011 11:18 AM (10 minutes ago)

http://basketball.ballparks.com/NBA/BostonCeltics/interior.jpg

YAY!

bron would go crazy if they traded mm right

Why? is mike his masseuse ?

so in addition to harris and favors the jazz are getting two first rounders--can't figure out if they're nj's picks or not but that's not really a bad haul imo.

yeah i guess it hinges on favors development - they mustve just concluded they had no shot at keeping deron

which looking at their roster is not such a bad assumption

pretty sure mike and bron are bro-bros xp to carne

didn't follow the jazz too closely this season but I guess it's safe to assume that al jeff didn't turn out to be the boozer replacement they had hoped for

also it seems that anybody who plays in minny's frontline gets massive numbers, product of the system or something in the water

CRM_Stephen Stephen Douglas
And with the 8th pick in the NBA Draft, the Utah Jazz select Jimmer Fredette, BYU.
8 minutes ago

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110204122845AAoNV7b

that jazz roster just made no sense--millsap and jefferson together is a bad combo, kirilenko was perpetually lost, and they basically had no shooting guards.

http://d.yimg.com/a/p/ap/20110129/capt.8033d15f23624092aaf1dd7c14ff300e-8033d15f23624092aaf1dd7c14ff300e-0.jpg?x=283&y=345&q=85&sig=Mk.ohfZaKDRBh300DTv7wg--

jefferson put up big numbers in boston too - hes a legit scorer/rebounder - no defense whatsoever - horrible fit in the jazz offense - would work best paired w/a active defensive minded center (who can shoot threes lol)

yup, instead they paired him with an undersized, offensive-minded pf

love the nba trade deadline action btw

totally insane

this has been a good one so far! sometimes nothing interesting happens because everyone is scared or whatever.

two top 15 guys moved already!

LarryCoon Larry Coon
Just confirming what others have already figured out -- Deron is NOT eligible for an extension before the CBA expires.
1 minute ago

TheBigLead Jason Mcintyre
Great point. Will New Orleans feel the same? RT @Ute94: It's likely D-Will wasn't going to resign. What did CLE or TOR get for their stars?
3 minutes ago

http://www.unconditionalconfidence.com/mt/mt-static/FCKeditor/UserFiles/Image/nervous.gif

sportsguy33 Bill Simmons
I love that the Carmelo saga lasted 7 excruciating months and Deron Williams got traded in 3 seconds.
6 minutes ago

i speak in RTs now

chadfordinsider Chad Ford
Jazz getting Nets 1st round pick this year as well as GS's 2012 1st round pick in deal
36 seconds ago

good picks^

hard to get appletinis in utah i bet

LarryCoon Larry Coon
...Prokhorov has a big fish in mind with his cap room, and Howard would be logical. @Mwegh1214
3 minutes ago

omg

nooooooo

http://oi54.tinypic.com/6y1iyq.jpg

sportsguy33 Bill Simmons
I don't care how many #1 picks are involved - what a great trade for Jersey. I wish I knew a Nets fan to congratulate.
6 minutes ago

lol theyll have some fans soon IN BROOKLYN

so is this a good deal for the nets? prokhorov shapin up to be a pretty good GM?

I liked his bit about driving up the price for melo, not sure if it's true or not

m Cuban East

i believe it, he made billions being a shrewd businessman

if prokhorov emerges in brooklyn in two years w/deron and howard he is a god - right now hes looking p fucking ingenious

i believe it, he made billions being a shrewd businessman

― am0n, Wednesday, February 23, 2011 11:53 AM (6 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

yeah but this applies to almost every nba owner - take shrewd businessmen out of their areas of expertise and they tend to be pretty unexceptional

http://img.youtube.com/vi/d7OYLWHtCDk/0.jpg

get at me, usa

I'm kind of oO that that's all you can get for Deron Williams tbh! I guess the deal had to include a top 20 PG?

Lol at Fredette idea.

fredette is prob gettable lower than where that nets pick lands but yeah you know utah wants him

Lockedonsports David Locke
Deron Williams told me it was not his choice. He is stunned. Declined to do interview until he figures out what it all means.
9 minutes ago

lol

east all star roster is gonna be so tough to crack, imagine if knicks get paul too

http://grab.by/96XT

lonely guy figuring out what it all means

east all star roster is gonna be so tough to crack, imagine if knicks get paul too

― kl0p's son (k3vin k.), Wednesday, February 23, 2011 12:02 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

so not gonna happen

TheBigLead Jason Mcintyre
If the Knicks get whacked 4-1 by the Bulls in the 1st round, the NY media's coming after 'Melo. HARD. That's my guess, anyway
5 minutes ago

rosssiler Ross Siler
The Jazz WILL NEVER find another star player who embraces Utah like that. Unless they draft Jimmer. Which seems to be what they'll do.
28 minutes ago

TrueHoop Henry Abbott
Why only saying this now? RT @sluhm source last week told me Deron was in "a league of his own" as far as creating problems
12 minutes ago

TheBigLead Jason Mcintyre
If the Knicks get whacked 4-1 by the Bulls in the 1st round, the NY media's coming after 'Melo. HARD. That's my guess, anyway
5 minutes ago

... were they going to beat chi, or even take series to 7, w/ their pre-melo squad?

dont try to be logical w/the ny sports media

i believe it, he made billions being a shrewd businessman

― am0n, Wednesday, February 23, 2011 11:53 AM (34 minutes ago) Bookmark

thought he made billions being a corrupt oligarch w/mob ties - same thing perhaps

also they mortgaged the farm to get him - they are what they are at this point more or less xp

whoaaaaaa deron trade holy shit

^^ still trying to figure out what it all means

like sloan and d-will are gone, wtf u thinking utah

Getting rid of Sloan seems dumb at this point, but if they weren't going to be able to re-sign Deron this is a pretty nice haul.

wish deron would stop with the faux-naivete!

sloan got rid of himself fwiw

i keep forgetting that avery johnson is the coach of the nets. sure he and deron will get on fabulously!

"When you go out hunting, would you rather have a bigger gun or a little gun?" coach Mike D'Antoni said. "We got a bigger gun."

yeah averys got one more year tops, most annoying person in the world

"It's what he wants. It's what I wanted, to come to New York and play on the big stage," Stoudemire said of Anthony, who has averaged 30.4 points in eight career games at MSG. "He has the same type of swag. This is what he wants and he can handle it. We're going to do it together."

http://grab.by/972g

"ok guys i figured it out, ball up"

Can they get Sloan back now? Like, did Sloan even say that he was tired of coaching, or was it pure "h8 deron, bye everyone"

like, it wouldn't shock me all that much, but i bet sloan is an extremely proud dude.

By John Hollinger
ESPN.com
Archive

We know Deron Williams probably wasn't going to stay with the Jazz.

But would he stay with the Nets?

That's the unanswered question to today's shocking news that the Jazz have agreed to blow up their team by sending Williams to New Jersey for Devin Harris, Derrick Favors, $3 million in cash and two first-round picks.

Stay or go, this deal has to be considered a huge short-term coup for New Jersey. Williams is one of the game's best point guards and provides the boost of star power the Nets had been craving with their season-long pursuit of Carmelo Anthony. Instead the Nets got a better player and gave up considerably less.

After witnessing the agonizing Melodrama, we might be tempted to assume that New Jersey wouldn't have made this deal without some kind of a wink and a nod from Williams' people that he would sign a contract extension to stay with the Nets. But assumptions can be dangerous things. Until we learn more, I'll assume this deal is a calculated risk on the part of the Nets that they can convince Williams to stay in New Jersey beyond the 2011-12 season, when he can opt out of his deal.

Unlike the Anthony situation, which was an "extend-and-trade" deal, this trade doesn't come with the guarantee of an extension. Williams isn't extension-eligible until July 9, which means he retains the threat of opting out of his contract and heading for some place warmer (coughClipperscough) in the summer of 2012. And he can potentially hang that threat over New Jersey starting, well ... now.

As far as the current season goes, the benefits of this deal are slim to none. New Jersey is nine games out of the final playoff spot with 25 to play, so the Nets would need to play ridiculously well -- say, 21-4 -- to have a realistic shot of catching Indiana for the eighth seed in the Eastern Conference. It's not happening. About the only potential benefit is that somebody might actually bother flying to London next week to cover the Nets' two-game stint in jolly ol' England against fellow doormat Toronto.

For Utah, this was an elegant way out of an inelegant situation, and likely represents the first of several trade dominoes for a Jazz team that is still over the luxury tax threshold but unlikely to make the playoffs. Harris will take over at the point, but the greater incentive was getting what could potentially be three lottery picks -- New Jersey's unprotected 2011 pick, a 2012 pick from Golden State that is only top-seven protected, and Favors, the third selection in the 2010 draft.

Favors' job will be to add some size and defensive presence to a frontcourt that has offensive stalwarts Al Jefferson and Paul Millsap but has struggled to guard opposing big men. Despite a bumpy rookie season, scouts remain high on Favors' potential.

Additionally, one presumes the Jazz will spend the next 24 hours before the trade deadline searching for opportunities to dump Andrei Kirilenko, Mehmet Okur, and/or Raja Bell and get themselves under the luxury tax threshold -- Utah will be about $5 million over the luxury tax line after this trade. While the playoffs aren't out of the question, the Jazz are only a half-game ahead of Memphis for the West's eighth and final playoff spot at the moment, and the team was only 4-13 in its last 17 games, even with Williams.

As far as New Jersey is concerned, much work remains. Williams is the centerpiece but the rest of the cupboard is pretty bare, which is why he may yet agitate for change. The Nets' frontcourt of Brook Lopez and Kris Humphries is even worse defensively than the one he left, and less offensively talented to boot. Wingman Anthony Morrow is one of the best shooters in the game and should hugely benefit from Williams' addition, as should fellow sharpshooter Sasha Vujacic, but they are role players and the other wings are awful.

The Nets are also poised to add Brandan Wright from Golden State along with Dan Gadzuric in a side deal that will cost them a second-round pick and Troy Murphy. Gadzuric is salary flotsam, but Wright can really play and has been buried in the Warriors' frontcourt rotation. His finishing skills could make him a very capable pick-and-roll partner with Williams, although his soft D and injury-proneness limit his value.

Ultimately it comes down to one thing: Whether this is where Williams wants to be for the long haul. If it is, then this will be a huge coup for the Nets, especially vis-à-vis their looming crosstown rivalry with the Knicks -- within hours of the Knicks getting Anthony, New Jersey got a better player for less.

But if Williams isn't on board with this, the house of cards collapses. For the next season and a half, Williams is looking at playing before slim crowds on a 30-win team in Newark, for a coach that isn't exactly Mr. Beloved. Big-market team or not, he may not have the patience to see the Nets project all the way through to Brooklyn.

So while we hear all the plaudits for New Jersey, it's important to remember that this alternate outcome remains in play. Such a result would make this trade an unmitigated disaster for New Jersey -- they'll have sacrificed four of their best assets for a short-term rental and be in even worse shape as a result.

So until we know more about Williams' intentions, consider it a dice roll. They're hoping the lure of Brooklyn will be enough for him to stay ... but nothing is guaranteed 'til the ink on an extension dries this offseason.

sam_amick Sam Amick
Warriors and Boston in discussions that would send Nate Robinson to the Warriors, source says. Not done yet though. Other pieces unclear.
33 minutes ago

"uh, nate, yeah about the flight to denver....there isn't a seat for you on that flight"

hey lil buddy yr gate is over here, yeah dont worry the flight attendants will take good care of you

hey can i just...what? deron went to the nets?

i mean seriously, that came out of nowhere. i think i like prokohov's style, silent assassin just makin' some trades in the middle of the night

The Warriors definitely need another shoot-first undersized PG.

hey next time something like this happens, can someone come over and wake me up

anyway this seems pretty brilliant by the jazz -- not only did they not get forced into a bosh/bron/melo situation where they either lose a guy & get nothing back or get squeezed by teams because everyone knows they need to trade the guy BUT they also were able to leverage prokhorov's resentment over getting burned by bron/melo

& yes the east is crazy right now

favors, harris, and two good first round picks is not bad for a guy who wasn't going to resign with them too

^xpost basically

tryin to figure who the celtics could be targeting on gs - has to be a wing player right - rodney carney?

also prokhorov is gonna put a billboard up across from msg today that's just a photo of him smoking a cigar and drinking scotch with two blond siberian bitches wearing nothing but d will nets jerseys and fur hats draped over him

getting dorell wright would be amazing but obvs theyd need to give up more than nate - maybe a draft pick?

lmao jordan

it seems to me, that if the rumors about them targeting battier & brewer are true, that they're looking for a SG that can really defend, cuz they're worried about ray/pierce vs bron/wade in a full seven game series, so idk who on the warriors would help fill that role -- it's certainly not dorrell wright

he can hit threes tho THREEEEEES

but yes celtics need a wing stopper

herald also saying they're trying to talk to phoenix about all their swingmen (dudley, pietrus, hill) but phoenix has never made a trade that's made sense so i don't see that going anywhere

pietrus could probably be a great defender if garnett got into him

Carney can barely get off the bench with the W's. How could he help the Celtics?

What about Reggie Williams?

i dont really know who either of those guys are tbh

since it's the nba there's also the possibility that there's another team, or three, involved

pietrus could probably be a great defender if garnett got into him

― pop the s1ock (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, February 23, 2011 1:39 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

yeah pietrus could be good on the c's - play D, shoot the corner three, pass to the open man, never dribble

also prokhorov is gonna put a billboard up across from msg today that's just a photo of him smoking a cigar and drinking scotch with two blond siberian bitches wearing nothing but d will nets jerseys and fur hats draped over him

― pop the s1ock (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, February 23, 2011 1:33 PM (14 minutes ago) Bookmark

fantastic

jazz fans must have no idea what life is about at this point

doubling up on the magic underwear

can't wait for the jimmer/g. hayward starting lineup

the pacers will not stand for that

so yeah, who is moved next: favors or jefferson? i'm sure they could find someone to take jefferson

Portland is pushing hard and getting closer to completing a deal with Charlotte for Gerald Wallace, a league source tells Y! Sports.

sam_amick Sam Amick
Warriors and Boston in discussions that would send Nate Robinson to the Warriors, source says. Not done yet though. Other pieces unclear.
33 minutes ago

― ice cr?m, Wednesday, February 23, 2011 1:18 PM (57 minutes ago)

i don't get this tbh, with delonte west back this lets nate play backup 2 instead of point, where he's a lot more comfortable. obv a liability on defense and i'm not his biggest fan or anything but i don't see why he needs to be moved. does he have a bad contract?

i guess the trade is off now

i think the idea was to move a guard for wing help not really anything to do with nate in particular

the cavs can't be serious w/ this gerald wallace thing

i think the idea was to move a guard for wing help not really anything to do with nate in particular

― call all destroyer, Wednesday, February 23, 2011 2:26 PM (2 minutes ago)

yeah

also, what could the knicks have taken off their melo deal to get d will? would felton + fields + two picks have been enough?

maybe, depends on what the jazz think of favors--he is like the x factor of all x factors

chad ford said the knicks were aware williams was available but likely didnt have enough to get him

yeah i just read that

also if it's true that dolan & i guess isiah were really running the show then they probably were dead set on melo regardless

melo, knicks; williams, nets was fate basically

only downside for me personally is i don't get to see d-will in person when i go to knicks-jazz

you could go see nets vs anyone else

well duh but i was looking forward to seeing melo & williams on the same court

go to new jersey

I KNOW SOMEDAY I WILL SEE HIM PLAY I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE KOOL TO KILL TWO BIRDS WITH ONE STONE IN 2 WEEKS

that would have been one protracted ass death for that poor bird

rip larry bird what a day

RT ass death

Mike Miller said he got assurances from Pat Riley regarding trade rumors, unless Heat "can get Dwight Howard or somebody."
16 minutes ago via Twitter for BlackBerry®
WallaceHeatNBA

lol

haha

Breaking news: Heat trade Mike Miller for somebody

read "every team we called laughed and hung up"

Chad Ford
Breaking: Howard to Heat / Miller to Magic
1 minute ago

@ZachLowe_SI "The Miami Heat top Eddy Curry's wish list" is easily the funniest thing I've read this week.

@SamAmicoFSO: Heat have clearly made Mike Miller available. Very little interest there from anyone.

lil scrap of notebook paper w/ wishes penciled in

mike miller to jazz for paul millsap

mike miller to the bulls for taj gibson

oof, from rumorcentral:

Portland shopping Oden
But will anyone bite?

oden to thunder for kevin durant

oden to rockets for yao

oden on a rocket to outer space for cap space

trade machine broke :/

okay i just heard about deron williams, where was i all day?, holy shit though

well here you go

WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
Miami has been trying to pry Brendan Haywood, offering Mike Miller as part of package, but Mavs have consistently resisted, source says.

i think what the heat have realized is that when you have three guys on your team that constantly create wide open three point attempts for the other guys on your team, you can pretty much make do w/ good long range shooters (jones, house, chalmers) thus rendering the services of a great long range shooter unnecessary

let alone one that hasn't been healthy all year

lol so hard to remember the halcyon days of last summer--what exactly made the heat think they should spend the money they gave to miller on a bench player? was there just no center to give it to? did they not think they needed a better guard to play next to wade?

for as much (deserved) credit that riley is getting for the big 3, he's made various boneheaded signings

like, don't forget that for the big 3 to even go down they had to buy james jones out of his own ludicrous $30m deal

heat fans were loving the miller signing lol

made a lot of sense on paper tbf but yeah hasn't worked out at all

i think it made sense in theory & i like the line up w/ him on the floor w/ the big 3 + a center (i think they used this in the 4th q of the celtics game a lot) but he's been pretty useless

also who knows how it would've played out if he hadn't been hurt all year

you know what wouldve worked really well on paper and in theory - filling the starting spots where the big three dont play

They gave a bazillion dollars to Joel Anthony

espn news is showing the beginning of the knicks game btw

or at least melo being introduced

as i'm sure nba tv, which i don't have, is

heat should obviously go for james posey

Oh hell its on at msg

atdhe dot me link doesn't seem to be working. Had this problem a lot lately with that site.

http://atdhenet.tv/

tyvm.bro

turiaf took like 103 steps

walt frazier is so horrible

has melo scored yet i spaced out

lol clyde is the best i love his vocab enthusiasm

The Atlanta Hawks are making progress toward their first move of note in the Eastern Conference arms race.

The Hawks are negotiating the final points of a deal with Washington that would bring veteran guard Kirk Hinrich to Atlanta for the stretch run, sources close to the situation told ESPN The Magazine's Ric Bucher.

Sources told ESPN.com that the latest version of the deal would send veteran guard Mike Bibby, rookie guard Jordan Crawford, swingman Maurice Evans and a 2011 first-round pick to the Wizards for Hinrich and Hilton Armstrong.

lol

they have acquired a kitchen knife in this great arms race

hah

i think carmelo unironically used the phrase "bring my talents" in his press conference today

wtf - is hinrich really an improvement over bibby

bibby is pretty awful

swag clyde out http://yfrog.com/h889vp

i think carmelo unironically used the phrase "bring my talents" in his press conference today

He did, it was so great ^_^

nice job by the wiz in that trade

k love in danger of snapping double-double streak - 11-9 with 3:30 to play

O_O @ beasley's fro

welp melo had a v meloesque outing his 1 game as a knick

chicago lost to lol raptors

raps scored 118 and were 0-5 from 3

didn't the craps have some crazy 3-pt streak? Did this game break it or did the craptors lose it earlier this year?

gorgeous move by cp3

Answering my own question - ended Jan 25th, 2011 after 986 games. Over ten years of making at least 1 3-pointer a game.

Craptors have nothing going for them at all anymore.

oh damn i had no idea!

Craptors have nothing going for them at all anymore.

― EZ Snappin, Wednesday, February 23, 2011 10:39 PM

u gonna make me post it aren't u

DO IT

http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/553/naw.gif

BREAKING???

SemihErden semih erden
agent tells me i am going to houston if i pass physical

no one on twitter believes its the real SEMIH ERDEN lol 2011

lol

too much

SemihErden semih erden
agent tells me i am going to houston if i pass physical
19 minutes ago

SemihErden semih erden
KG is a great guy
21 Feb

SemihErden semih erden
these road trips are crazy! great teammates and we will get through everything
29 Jan

am i alone in finding this series of tweets hilarious

semih account deleted!

hahaha

~the plot thickens~

Cavs and clippers discussing Baron Davis for Mo Williams. Why Cleveland would do this I do not really know.

each team should just hire a hitmen to off both players, do everyone a favor

agreed in principle actually. well there ya go, whatever.

seriously, what in the world

baron is gonna revolt

can someone post dan-gilbert-comic-sans-rant.jpg so I can just write this off to him being for real insane.

this is beyond insanity

dan gilbert needs to have his ownership revoked

god i cannot wait for the dan gilbert press conference

lebron gonna be so angry he left now that the cavs have baron davis

if mo decides to opt out of his deal after this season the clippers will have pulled off one of the greatest salary dumps in nba history

arguably the greatest?

the only way this could get more insane is if the cavs are about to turn around and trade baron to the t wolves for ricky rubio

chadfordinsider Chad Ford
Yup just confirmed @daldridgent's report. Davis and Clippers 1st in 2011 to Cleveland for Mo Williams and Jamario Moon. Done in principle

lol w/ the inclusion of the clips first round pick, this has gone from "wtf dan gilbert you fucking coconut motherfucker" to "lol dan gilbert and donald sterling making a trade is like two blind kids trying to play catch"

baron is guaranteed $42 million through 2013 memo to Dan Gilbert.

chadfordinsider Clippers have only $25 mil in committed payroll for summer of 2012. Think Deron Williams would like to play w/ Blake Griffin?

^ to j0rdan's point about salary dumps of all time.

http://i.imgur.com/nOlmS.gif

goodnight sweet bibby

hinrich is a minor upgrade over the bibster and at least now the hawks have someone who can defend wade & rondo, but still... lol

The Clippers would give up a likely top-10 lottery pick to make the savings happen. "That just shows you how much we hate this draft," one Clippers source told ESPN.com.

That makes total sense to me. The Cavs have plenty of money to spend and need to get as many good young players as possible. If Baron is your expensive point guard in the interim, no big deal.

Also, Ramon Sessions is already better than Mo Williams.

the inclusion of the pick makes it slightly better until the cavs end up w/ perry jones & kemba walker

It's not like the Cavs are better off with who they have now.

i think paying baron davis that salary is utterly indefensible in pretty much any scenario that you could concoct

for instance, the cavs now have two top 10 picks, but by acquiring a point guard who they have to pay $28 million dollars over the next two years, they're pretty much saying that they're not going to even attempt to develop a young point guard, including kyrie irving who, if he comes out, might be the best player in the draft

or they're gonna have a $28 million dollar back up point guard

incidentally probably the two highest regarded players in the draft are PFs and that's like the one place where they don't need a young player

They gotta take the best available players regardless of position.

if they're essentially paying $28 million dollars for a draft pick that's likely outside the top 5 then i think that there are much smarter ways for them to go about their business

on draft day teams will straight up sell you a first round pick for like $3 million dollars

so i guess karmic retribution has finally brought its hammer down on baron

o man feel bad for b diddy - clips giving up a likely top ten pick to dump salary shows you where their priorities are - no fee agent should get within 100 miles of this team (unless its to sign w/the lakers) - their protestations abt abt h8ing this draft are p lol - my opinion of this draft just went up!

good move by the cavs they get a lottery pick for parking baron in cap space theyre never going to use anyway as no meaningful free agent is coming their way in the next couple years

on draft day teams will straight up sell you a first round pick for like $3 million dollars

― pop the s1ock (J0rdan S.), Thursday, February 24, 2011 3:21 AM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

this is really only true for picks at the end of the 1st round

if they're essentially paying $28 million dollars for a draft pick that's likely outside the top 5 then i think that there are much smarter ways for them to go about their business

― pop the s1ock (J0rdan S.), Thursday, February 24, 2011 3:20 AM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

ur off by like $13m

if mo decides to opt out of his deal after this season the clippers will have pulled off one of the greatest salary dumps in nba history

― pop the s1ock (J0rdan S.), Thursday, February 24, 2011 2:09 AM (6 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

cause this will never happen, no one in the world is giving mo williams $9m a year ever again

not sure about yr first point--do the clips need another high draft pick? their core is in place--i can def see shedding that awful contract as being higher priority than developing another young player.

high draft picks are always good

i mean at least get value in return - all they did was dump abt one mid level exemption worth of salary

yeah ok so looking at the numbers, mo is due $17 mil over two seasons--with the cba changes it is highly unlikely that he would opt out.

both guys have 2.5 years left on their deals

davis $13m $14m $15m

williams $9m $9m $9m

youve saved $5m a year while giving away in the draft pick v low priced player who could conceivably be v good

but the clippers 'h8 this draft' w/e the clippers are just cheap asses who will continue to suck forever cause donlad stearling is a horrible monster

really baron just goes from one crazy owner to another

http://l.yimg.com/a/p/sp/tools/med/2010/12/ipt/1292228362.jpg?&sig=JNpmdb3TJecHrJQ5K8AGzQ--http://l.yimg.com/a/p/sp/tools/med/2010/12/ipt/1292228087.jpg?&sig=yEbGgDh8H6GGKnQ4trNwfg--

oh god baron is gonna weight like 400lbs by the end of this

it should be mentioned that hes a much better player than williams too

haha baron gets introduced to casseroles

yeah I have never really understood why mo was considered one of the best pg's in the NBA or how he was supposed to be the 'missing piece' for lebron

cavs were just hopelessly flailing from a personnel perspective the whole time they hard lebron - everything was a quick fix - this gets lost in the villainizing of bron phenomenon - tho its becoming lol more clear w/the cavs play this season

I hope there's record of me noting my skepticism of mo in the ILH archives, that way I can prove gilbert never pulled the scales over my eyes

just c&p a fake post - no one will ever check

i love the lakers

― ice cr?m, Thursday, February 24, 2011 10:52 PM (43 seconds ago) Bookmark

i will check

anyway did anyone ever really go hard for mo williams except like tv guys reading from the press kit?

loool I just now realized that I have been thinking of mo williams as alvin williams, because alvin williams and mo peterson used to be big on the raptors back in the early 00s

i love the lakers

― ice cr?m, Thursday, February 24, 2011 10:52 PM (43 seconds ago) Bookmark

― Neu! romancer (dayo), Thursday, February 24, 2011 9:53 AM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

>=[

lol sacramento

League rules dictate that every team in the NBA must spend at least 75 percent of the salary cap in any given season. That computes to $43,533,000 this season, with the salary cap ceiling established at $58,044,000.

Sacramento, though, has actually slipped beneath that threshold with the trade that sent Carl Landry to New Orleans for Marcus Thornton. The Kings’ payroll for the season has dipped to $42,489,034, which puts them $1,043,966 beneath the minimum.

So …

The Kings have two options:

1. Spend that $1,043,966 before the end of the season on new players, whether it’s D-League callups or a free-agent signing or two.

2. Distribute that $1,043,966 evenly to the players on their roster when the regular season ends April 13 to meet league spending requirements.

what happens if they don't meet requirements

like if they refuse to distribute to the players on 4/13?

it should be mentioned that hes a much better player than williams too

― ice cr?m, Thursday, February 24, 2011 9:29 AM (33 minutes ago) Bookmark

hold on

also this draft is considered to be weak by pretty much everyone also the clippers had basically this exact pick last year & got al farouk aminu, idk if they need another guy of his caliber

o man waking up 2 baron for mo trade lol

also this draft is considered to be weak by pretty much everyone also the clippers had basically this exact pick last year & got al farouk aminu, idk if they need another guy of his caliber

― pop the s1ock (J0rdan S.), Thursday, February 24, 2011 10:07 AM (18 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

is this really yr argument jordan, because one draft pick was a bust all others are worthless, dude - i would argue the other side - dirk nowitzki was taken w/the 9th pick - therefor if the clippers get the 9th pick they will get a player of dirks caliber

also judging by the historical record a draft being considered weak has almost no correlation w/its actual strength - aaaand in even the weakest draft there are good players - particularly at the top

Guys it’s the fucking clippers! They’ll fuck up whatever the do anyways

w/e the clippers are just cheap asses who will continue to suck forever cause donlad stearling is a horrible monster

― ice cr?m, Thursday, February 24, 2011 9:13 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

I checked and am pretty sure you never said that

cant stearling be assassinated or forced to sell or w/e

i said it I SAAAAAAAID IT

cr?m i'm not even calling al farouk aminu a bust -- in fact he seems like he could be a good piece moving forward -- i guess my point is that the clippers -- with guys like griffin, gordon, deandre jordan, eric bledsoe, aminu -- are at the point where they have a good enough core that they don't need another project guy who could develop into a useful nba player two years from now

if you assassinate Donlad Stearling, Donald Sterling will still own the Clippers.

they're saving money, they're getting rid of a pick where there was like an 80% chance that the guy wouldn't even be one of their six best players, and if they didn't get the better point guard in the deal then they at least got someone who is on an even playing field and has zero potential of destructing the team out of bitterness, unlike baron

scuse me, it's actually donLAD sterling

loooool

that said, fire vinny del negro

cr?m i'm not even calling al farouk aminu a bust -- in fact he seems like he could be a good piece moving forward -- i guess my point is that the clippers -- with guys like griffin, gordon, deandre jordan, eric bledsoe, aminu -- are at the point where they have a good enough core that they don't need another project guy who could develop into a useful nba player two years from now

― pop the s1ock (J0rdan S.), Thursday, February 24, 2011 10:37 AM (10 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

a. not all young players are project guys b. players on their rookie salaries are the most cost efficient c. young players are the best trade chips d. the clippers arent ready to contend right now so they are in the right position to draft another guy

is how i break it down to an extent

that said, fire vinny del negro

― pop the s1ock (J0rdan S.), Thursday, February 24, 2011 10:40 AM (48 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

omg pleeeeease

they're saving money, they're getting rid of a pick where there was like an 80% chance that the guy wouldn't even be one of their six best players, and if they didn't get the better point guard in the deal then they at least got someone who is on an even playing field and has zero potential of destructing the team out of bitterness, unlike baron

― pop the s1ock (J0rdan S.), Thursday, February 24, 2011 10:40 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

a. they are not saving v much money b. youre pulling that 80% number out of yr ass c. baron has been super psyched to play w/this team

so anyway this happened

http://grab.by/989v

hahahah

wrt the draft, i think that unless you hit the jackpot, most guys in the #7-10 area are gonna be "safe" picks like paul millsap who develop into good sixth men or third/fourth scoring options if they start OR you get a project guy who you need to let develop

washington natinals

stop trying to prognosticate the draft its impossible have we forgotten hakeem warrick kwame brown

stro swift

that said I think omar mentioned that the nba probably has one of the highest correlations between draft place and actual success so

idk

clips are gonna be alright either way

yeah idk honestly i'd be interested to see if the clippers can lure a free agent -- the pipe dreams they had about getting a "max guy" like rudy gay or w/e were obv foolhardy, but i think they def are attractive enough at this point that a nice player might wanna come play for them

i do tend to think that mo + solid vet addition > baron plus #7-10 pick

no top flight free agent has been insane enough yet to go w/the clippers - i mean you just cant look at donald sterling and thing 'this guy is gonna do what it takes to get a championship' - note for instance the clippers werent even in the melo discussion

yeah the clips are pretty much gonna be a black hole until donald sterling is ousted

type of free agent pick ups the clippers do are like 'over play baron davis'

just going thru some guys who got picked 7, 8, 9, 10 recently

steph curry, jordan hill, demar derozan, brandon jennings, eric gordon, joe alexander, dj augustin, brook lopez, cory brewer, brendan wright, joakim noah, spencer hawes, randy foye, rudy gay, patrick o bryant, mouhamed sene

so you pretty much have exactly a 50% chance of getting someone worth your while in that range -- other than that it's pretty much an epic disaster -- very little in b/w

I wonder if some guy will come along and change the way we think about draft prospects for the NBA, like that guy billy batts did for MLB

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-s8d7rDyJQ

http://desmond.yfrog.com/Himg618/scaled.php?tn=0&server=618&filename=j23vs.jpg&xsize=640&ysize=640

SUPER COOL BEAS

he needs a bigger presence on our board somehow

can a mod change the background of this thread to be a tiled collage of that image plz & thx

face only a mother (or plies mixtape cover) could love

http://www.the-medium-is-not-enough.com/images/HairBearBunch.jpg

l-r: Jonny Flynn, Michael Beasley, Kevin Love.

ok so this baron trade. obviously merits debated above but i think:

a) it's important that they got rid of him now, since they're not making the playoffs baron would otherwise start his summer bulk-up now and actually weigh a quarter ton by the start of next season

b) mo williams is like borderline "star" but it seems like with griffin and deandre you want a guy who is younger, can run the floor without worrying about his knees an extra year or two, and now he has 25 games to start practicing alleyoops with those dudes

c) w/e regading the draft pick, but it might actually relieve any weird pressure to tank the last quarter of the season- clips have been on 2nd longest road trip EVER- they might click and win some games at the end of the year and it would be nice not to have that crap up their lottery position

d) baron's last pass to blake = alleyoop out the kia sunroof

face only a mother (or plies mixtape cover) could love

― am0n, Thursday, February 24, 2011 11:10 AM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

that pic is clearly distorted - a photo of a tv screen - so unfair

i for one support super cool beas super cool hair

d) baron's last pass to blake = alleyoop out the kia sunroof

except they played together in the loss to OKC on Tuesday.

aw dang i thought he sat that game out, that was last night.

baron even fucked up the lols on his way out

but not this: i just remembered i have tix for clips/cavs next month~ extra lols now

amazing

chadfordinsider Chad Ford
Cavs-Warriors talking about an Antawn Jamison deal es.pn/h2NIac
2 minutes ago

ooomg why

what is wrong with these teams

i mean clearly the cavs should do that in a hearbeat but why warriors whyyyyyy

warriors should deal ellis imo (lol no not for jamison) - feel like hes having a career year and doesnt fit w/curry

i agree -- i have a season on nba 2k11 w/ the warriors and i can confirm that from a defensive standpoint that backcourt is in no way palatable

also i recommend that the warriors download a 2012 draft class that was made before the college season was in full swing, win the lottery and draft harrison barnes bcuz he will actually be the 8th best player in the nba, by rating

the more you know imo

cool thx 4 the tip

i hope the cavs trade for brendan wright -- i guess he seems like kind of a bust but hollinger said a few days ago that he thinks he could be useful but is buried w/ the warriors for some reason

that's a young player that i think would be good for the cavs to try & develop & see what's up w/ him

yeah feel like w/guys like that you want to see them on another team/system before you give up

whoaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
Boston has agreed to send Kendrick Perkins to OKC for package that includes Jeff Green, sources tell Y!

nba is going defcon

UH WAAAHT

jose3030 jose3030
WOW Celtics trade Kendrick Perkins! WOW!
16 seconds ago Favorite Retweet Reply

JEFF GREEN SUX

IM LITERALLY FREAKING OUT RIGHT NOW

Brendan Wright is very frustrating to watch on a regular basis. A fresh start might be good for him.

Jamison can definitely help the W's, especially if they're only giving up Troy Murphy and Wright to get him. But it's not like it makes them competitive.

Love that trade for OKC. They needed interior muscle bad.

guys jeff green is really not good at all

not seeing that one anywhere else, woj got 2b trollin'

b/c that makes zero goddamn sense

WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
OKC will also send Nenad Krstic to the Celtics for Perkins, source says.

NENAD & SMEIH GO TO WHITE CASTLE

did the celtics decide fuck it we r not afraid of dwight fucking howard anymore w/e idigi

this is crazy im not into this

wtf wasnt he durant best friend

guys whaaaaaaaaaaaaat is going on

WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
Houston has traded Shane Battier to Memphis for Thabeet and a first-round pick, source tells Y!

yah me neither. wonder if ainge just still really wanted green after not getting to draft him. probably banking on shaq/krstic/erden being enough fouls to throw at dwight? also kg played some 5 with big baby at 4 recently and looked good against smaller teams.

still WHUT

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s125/AgeofApocalypse124/exploding_head.gif

shane battier for hasheem the dream + 1st pick

lol sorry

i know thabeet is not very good but seriously in what world is shane battier worth a top 5 pick + ANOTHER FIRST ROUND PICK

in a world where that article about shane gets published

what a great move for the thunder - tho perkins contract is up this year - which prob factored into the celtics decision - NOT THAT IT SHOULDVE CONSIDERING THEY NEED TO WIN IT ALL THIS YEAR GAAHHHH

What the hell is Memphis thinking?!

guys perkis + ibaka DO U REALIZE?

holy shit

blood, tears and blocks

honestly i don't like jeff green at all BUT he could be a decent replacement for garnett two years down the road

probably banking on shaq/krstic/erden being enough fouls to throw at dwight

― i see you're still wearing bs on tv (agent hibachi), Thursday, February 24, 2011 3:01 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

yeah tbf shaq and baby defend howard v solidly STILL

and OKC wasn't going to be able to sign him

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyFpOp8Ft0Q

why would you try to set the celtics up for the future

the celtics have no future

once KG breaks him down (multiple times) and then builds him up (admittedly this may or may not happen) then this may turn into a slight coup for the celtics but then again WHAAAT

#Suns have acquired Aaron Brooks from #Rockets

guys seriously my head

are these teams just picking other teams and players out of a hat

don't get memphis at all, they have like a mini-shane battier on sam young

why 2 shanne youngs

chadfordinsider Chad Ford
Confirming what @WojYahooNBA reported. Jeff Green & Nenad Krstic for Kendrick Perkins and Nate Robinson is done.

krstic is terrible btw fuck that guy

that trade is more shocking to me than d will to nets tbh

BEST TRADE DEADLINE EVAH

guess theyre thinking green can back up the 3 and 4 - kristic will get some minutes hit some jumpers etc w/e - they must love the small garnett/baby lineup - they have been playing it to finish games all season - and perkins has looked p bad since he came back from injury - maybe their medical staff thinks he wont regain his form this season - if thats true the trade maybe makes sense

im still sad tho

celts just threw away chance at a championship in the next 5 years, unless they can sign perk next year?

Lol on Yahoo Sports Cavs fans are celebrating the trade, apparently thinking a lottery pick that may turn out to be sub-Kwame Brown in a weak draft year is worth 12 mil in salary.

For the safety of these Cavs fans, I reccomend a ban on sqale of razors for the next five years

yeah i'm sure that's the logic.

but damn, not to go all sports columnist but ainge just broke up a starting 5 that had never lost a playoff series while intact.

Oklahoma City has acquired center Nazr Mohammed from Charlotte for D.J. White and Mo Peterson, source tells Y! Sports.

perkins has looked p bad since he came back from injury - maybe their medical staff thinks he wont regain his form this season - if thats true the trade maybe makes sense

― ice cr?m, Thursday, February 24, 2011 3:09 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

ok srsly this is all i can come up with to make sense of this

they must love the small garnett/baby lineup

i like how you can read this as the celtics playing a garnett version of a mini-horse

i think shaqkrstic can handle noah, dwight, or (lol) dampier, then they must be banking on lakers not making finals or losing bynum, and if it's the spurs playing kg at 5 vs duncan at 5

it's not the worst scenario but ainge must really think a lockout is coming next year so he's trying to win and start rebuilding for 12-13 w/basically rondo and green

Boston's Nate Robinson goes to Oklahoma City with Perkins in the deal for Green and Krstic, sources say.

from one and a half center to 3 centers? #okc

well the celtics focus should 100% winning this year lockout or no - this team is so old the wheels can fall off at any time - im personally shocked theyre still this good

sportsguy33 Bill Simmons
I'm in shock. I need 18-24 hours to digest this.
6 minutes ago

sam presti is http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51NLe1mLk-L._SL500_AA300_.jpg

Charlotte's Gerald Wallace has been traded to Portland, a league source tells Y!

guyssssssssssssssssssssss

WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON.

My Warriors might be shedding Beidrins contract at least.

BUT WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON

The Celtics? That makes no sense as it stands now.

Its been an amazing season for trades, usually its all smoke and mirrors, but there has been some serious shifts going down.

c's can resign big baby now, over kendrick

surprised dallas hasnt made a move for a wing - gerald wallace wouldve been perfect

imagine phones/e-mails on yahoo desks now, EVERYONE'S telling them

i heard they were trying really hard to get tay prince xp

maybe c's think perk is overrated, its possible

imagine phones/e-mails on yahoo desks now, EVERYONE'S telling them

― moullet, Thursday, February 24, 2011 3:19 PM (24 seconds ago) Bookmark

adrian woj is gonna have such a hard time figuring out how worldwide wes pulled all these deals off

it's possible but like we were saying recently legitimate nba centers are insanely valuable--really shocking to give one up

Just before Thursday's 3 p.m. ET trade deadline, the Boston Celtics agreed to ship center Kendrick Perkins and guard Nate Robinson to the Oklahoma City Thunder for swingman Jeff Green and big man Nenad Krstic, two league sources told ESPN.com's Chad Ford on Thursday.

Celtics director of basketball operations Danny Ainge said Wednesday that Perkins is out at least a week after spraining the medial collateral ligament in his left knee.

It's a homecoming of sorts for Green. He was selected by the Celtics in the first round (fifth overall) in the 2007 draft. But he was traded with Wally Szczerbiak, Delonte West to then Seattle SuperSonics for Ray Allen and Glen Davis.

The Celtics' pursuit of a perimeter player intensified when it became apparent that Marquis Daniels might miss the rest of the season with a spinal injury.

i'm reminded of when i was watching the 2007 draft on mute at a restaurant and thought the celtics drafted jeff green for 3 hours until my friend called me and i learned that he was immediately traded for ray allen.

yup- i think ainge felt he's already got enough half-injured centers with erden and oneal so perk probably wasn't going to swing a series this year. green giving pp more rest the next four months might.

Portland will send Joel Przybilla and a 2nd round draft pick to Charlotte for Gerald Wallace, source says.

its looking more like yes this is a question of perkins not being healthy this year / old ass celtics going for broke

can jeff green legitimately guard lebron or wade

great trade for portland it seems, who will play center tho (lol question)

i'm reminded of when i was watching the 2007 draft on mute at a restaurant and thought the celtics drafted jeff green for 3 hours until my friend called me and i learned that he was immediately traded for ray allen.

― call all destroyer, Thursday, February 24, 2011 3:22 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

lol

>can jeff green legitimately guard lebron or wade

for 10-15 min a night with kg or ray handling switches on pick and rolls, yes probably. at least decent enough to give pierce a break

can jeff green legitimately guard lebron or wade

― pop the s1ock (J0rdan S.), Thursday, February 24, 2011 3:23 PM (59 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

yeah good questions - def not wade - hes strong and mobile maybe bron a lil - im p unfamiliar w/his defensive skills tbh

guys what in god's name were the cavs trying to do today

WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
DET and CLE negotiated down to wire on a Rip Hamilton trade, but fell apart when Rip wouldn't accept buyout terms with Cavs, sources say.

dan gilbert: "guys let's try and acquire as many 2003 all stars as humanly possible"
front office: -_-

i said it before but i miss tony allen, best defender at the 2 in the entire nba, no joke

that dude was a nutcase

im sure he still is!

the fact that KG never spontaneously punched him out on the court is probably one of the smaller miracles in sports of the past 5 years

hes a mess on O too

yeah that's what i mean

he was such an amazingly bad offensive player

lol xp

nate robinson minus the cuteness

yeah mine was an xp

guysssssssssss

WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
Boston has traded Semih Erdan and Luke Harangody to Cleveland for a second-round pick, source tells Y!

the cavs are killing me right now

are these teams just picking other teams and players out of a hat

My theory

i'm pretty sure that ainge would've given those two guys away for a nice hoagie

really excited to see nate chest bumping KD!!!

I REFUSE TO LEAVE WORK

this is weird, did the whole nba eat some moldy bread or something

wait really?

blazers not fucking around

WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
Ken Berger has picks right going to Charlotte for Wallace. I can't read a text message: Two future first-rounders for Wallace.

WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
Boston has traded Semih Erdan and Luke Harangody to Cleveland for a second-round pick, source tells Y!

― pop the s1ock (J0rdan S.), Thursday, February 24, 2011 3:29 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

wonder if this means another celtics trade is coming!

i mean, semih has been playing actual minutes at center

this meme is v overdone but really

jose3030 jose3030
Hide ya Kids, Hide ya Wife & Hide any 1st round draft picks, they trading everyone out here!

Dragic for Aaron Brooks (reports)

KDthunderup Kevin Durant
Tough day for me and my teammates...good luck to jeff green, nenad krstic, @mopete24 and Dj white...we will miss u guys 4 sure..damn
1 minute ago

aww this guy

guyssssssssssssssssssss

chadfordinsider Chad Ford
Hearing same as @MikeWellsNBA ... O.J. Mayo to Pacers for McRoberts and a first.

so is the depth chart:

s. o'neal
n. krstic
k. garnett
r. parish
e. montross
j. o'neal?

wow thats all they could get, recall not that long ago oj was gonna be the next bron bron

kd *____*

punching teammates on team planes and doing steroids drops yr value a bit

OJ will be coming off that juice now though.

wtf is going on omgggggg this shit is nuclear for real

lol mozgov

TrueHoop Henry Abbott
Timofey Mozgov on Denver: "What’s good about it? ... I’m flying into uncertainty."
3 minutes ago

im reading cunningham goes to bobcats too in that trade for g-wall

bos really concerned about future

Bos also got Clippers 2012 pick in OKC deal

guys someone save timofey mozgov

feel like boston is doing one more deal, clearing space w/celve deal + getting another draft pick

maybe they're gonna sign troy murphy

have to say pdx's lineup of camby/aldridge/Wallace/Matthews/dre is super physical and a v interesting combo, excited to see this go down.

maybe they're gonna sign troy murphy

― pop the s1ock (J0rdan S.), Thursday, February 24, 2011 3:38 PM (18 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

would be a v good move tbh

Yah pdx is nice with that.

hay jordan were u trollin a fake awoj tweet for lols with the erden/cavs one, i'm pretty sure but you never know

^man that is barely english but you know what i mean, i'm in perk-shock

no, sorry

my woj trolling is confined to jokes about worldwide wes controlling every move in the nba

camby/aldridge/Wallace/Matthews/dre is super physical and a v interesting combo, excited to see this go down.

― Clay, Thursday, February 24, 2011 3:38 PM (42 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

yeah its a p unique/compelling line up - lack of shooting concerns me somewhat tho

if OKC traded the clips pick to the celtics then they must be planning on signing perk to a deal

rudy fernandez playing at the same time as gerald wallace would be many levels of awesome

cant find that erden/harangody tweet anymore, i think that was not real

yeah okc obvs wants perk long term - he fills a need for them - tho him and ibaka arent a good fit as neither of them can score

batum abc fits in there somewhere and actually likely to be the starting 3, so? Wallace gonna be sixth man at the 3/4? Start Aldridge at the 5?

Well, options at least!

- What was the first thing that you thought about after speaking to Walsh?

- It was not a thing but a person. About my girlfriend, of course. It was a real shock for Alla. She became friends with a lot of girls here and already felt almost at home.

mozgov XD

chadfordinsider Chad Ford
Hearing same RT @MikeWellsNBA: Hold off on J-Mac to Memphis deal. Word is the two teams may have missed the 3 p.m. deadline.

GOOD JOB, CHRIS WALLACE