itt fans of non-playoff teams chatter about the off season (2013)

All sad sacks congregate here to chew the fat about their team's exciting upcoming offseason. I expect very little from this thread before the end of June. In April the reality is still too painful.

The blazers need a center and their entire bench was pathetic this year. The only direction left to go is up.

Do we have to be fans of the teams

@JPosnanski
Revised [Dan Gilbert]: "I personally guarantee you that the Cleveland Cavaliers will fire a coach before the self-titled king gets his coach fired."

How do I post in comic sans

lmao the cavs are bringing mike brown back

lmfao

Mike Brown had other offers but major factor in decision came down to his family wanting to live in Cleveland.
3:43pm - 23 Apr 13

...

omg

how do i post in comics sans

so did lebron give them a courtesy call to let them know he wasn't coming back in 2014 or something

didnt expect the dunlap fire... bobcats tho

Jordan has no clue what he's doing

what the fuck are the bobcats even doing

how do you fire a coach that triples the team's win total in his first season

seems like he was rubbing a lot of ppl the wrong way but you can't say that team wasn't playing harder and better under him.

Jordan has no clue what he's doing

Superstar athletes have a badly skewed perspective on winning.

well it sounds like the bobcats players and middle management basically requested that jordan can the guy so i guess i don't know.

i mean, rich cho was highly regarded at one point, right?

Dunlap was a last minute hire last year. It's not like he was their guy. They have a more attractive roster now, and so they're going to try to get the sort of name guy they were trying to get last year. It's nice that Dunlap tripled their win total but it's not hard to do better than the legendarily bad 2011-12 team. They still had the second-worst record in the NBA. Now they have another high lottery guy to add to the mix and some cap space. If they can get a name coach then they might have a better chance of attracting a significant free agent or two.

Dunlap struck me as a Doug Collins type guy who is great at teaching fundamentals but probably not a good long term option.

@BuzzFeedJack 2m

Oh my god. Dan Gilbert and Chris Grant are jokingly playing "who really fired Mike Brown" at this press conference. This is so surreal.

you go from paul silas -> no name mike dunlap -> ???

how do i post in comics sans

― moullet, Tuesday, April 23, 2013 4:01 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

very important q btw

http://i.imgur.com/5kkTiaX.jpg

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/magazine/news/20130429/jason-collins-gay-nba-player/#ixzz2Rrh8O559

whoa

whoa nice!

Though Shaquille O'Neal is a Hall of Famer, I never shirked from the challenge of trying to frustrate the heck out of him. (Note to Shaq: My flopping has nothing to do with being gay.)

such a great piece

yeah, really good

the "when i came out (for the first time)" joke was hilarious

secretly wearing 98 to honor matthew shepard is crazy powerful

Metta on Collins:

"Whether it's a free country or not, you should be free to act as you want to do as long as it's not violent. No matter what it is. I came here in a Cookie Monster shirt because I wanted to, and I was going to wear the pants. But I thought you guys were going to judge me. I was going to wear the hat too. But I thought you guys would judge me. I didn't want Mitch (Kupchak) to judge me. So that's why I didn't wear the hats and the pants. But I should've wore it. You should be free to do and act how you want to act."

I am beside myself over here

nice! much props

lol @ metta

^^

Martell Webster (Washington Wizards): @jasoncillins34 you have made sports what it should be and that’s “OPEN” proud of you for being you. That’s jump shot is still weak lol.

i could've told you that jason collins sucked dick. hahaha, rack em!!!

https://twitter.com/DukeOfBexar/status/328960507962859520

OWNED

apparently broussard said something idiotic on TV

is that any different from what he usually does

he did indeed.

“If you’re openly living in unrepentant sin, whatever it may be, not just homosexuality, (but) adultery, fornication, premarital sex between heterosexuals … I believe that’s walking in open rebellion to God,” Broussard said on a special edition of ESPN’s “Outside the Lines.”

broussard is involved in some christian thing, he's always posting about it on twitter.

Premarital sex is the best, what's wrong with this dude

im sure his twitter feed will get "fascinating" real quick

if premarital sex is wrong i don't want to be right

http://www.tmz.com/2013/04/29/jason-collins-mike-wallace-twitter-tweet-homophobic/

http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/17rqjk8x93iamjpg/k-bigpic.jpg

multiple sources tell broussard being gay is wrong.

Mike Wallace ‏@Wallace17_daKid 1m
Never said anything was right or wrong I just said I don't understand!! Deeply sorry for anyone that I offended

SMH (shakin' my head)

"Personally, I don’t believe that you can live an openly homosexual lifestyle or an openly, like premarital sex between heterosexuals," Broussard said on ESPN's Outside The Lines. "If you’re openly living that type of lifestyle, then the Bible says you know them by their fruits. It says that, you know, that’s a sin. If you’re openly living in unrepentant sin, whatever it may be, not just homosexuality, whatever it maybe, I believe that’s walking in open rebellion to God and to Jesus Christ. So I would not characterize that person as a Christian because I don’t think the bible would characterize them as a Christian."

http://therebuildinitiative.org/uncategorized/a-qa-with-chris-broussard-on-discipleship-in-the-marketplace/

Have you found the world of media tough for you as a believer?

I can’t say for certain since I’ve always worked in the media, but I believe the world of media is probably like any other secular work environment (or school, for that matter) – full of unbelievers. Your beliefs, values and lifestyle often don’t jibe with those of your co-workers. Because journalists are perhaps more skeptical by definition, there may be even fewer people of faith in this business. Also, now that I’m fairly prominent on TV and thus, at times interacting with sports and pop culture celebrities, I must have my “spiritual guard” up as I navigate these worlds, where carnality is rampant.

"Homosexuality is just like premarital sex except I don't give a shit about the 99.999999999999% of NBA players engaging in premarital sex"

does dude realize that Jesus hung out with thieves and prostitutes

too many nines there (AC Green) xp

"If you’re openly living that type of lifestyle, then the Bible says you know them by their fruits.

thats not called for chris

Chris Broussard ‏@Chris_Broussard 5 Apr

NBA trainer who doesn't work w/TParker says near impossible 2 get tendinitis in the shin, said if its shin-related is probly stress fracture

typical of him to spell "they're" wrong though

xp

Chris Broussard ‏@Chris_Broussard 7 Apr

IF Lakers can get an injury-plagued SA in 1st round, could get interesting. I would pick SA but it could b interesting 4 sure

impossible 2 get 4 sure

so... Chris Broussard is Prince?

imagine what the spurs would have done to the lakers if tony parker didn't have a stress fracture, rip san antonio.

in other news

Brian Windhorst ‏@WindhorstESPN 48s
Just filed to http://ESPN.com : Sources tell ESPN a committee of NBA owners voted against moving the Kings to Seattle today.

not good news for Milwaukee :(

multiple sources reporting jesus considering offers to trade chris broussard to another religion

i wouldn't be surprised if chris broussard was outed at some point

smh dayo

speaking as a straight guy but the "lol he's probably closeted himself" tack that some people are given to seems like counterproductive bullying to me

well it's kinda what i think whenever i see somebody openly speaking out against this stuff, we've seen it a lot with republican politicans. didn't mean to offend + bully, if it was taken that way then I apologize

its pretty wrongheaded in that it places the blame of homophobia directly on (presumably closeted) gays

well... (presumably closeted) gays who take loud public stances against gay rights. but yeah i can see that.

i'm straight btw

fuck broussard, there are so many more significant public figures in sports and beyond who have voiced their support that i don't even want to talk about him

Kevin Pelton ‏@kpelton 1h
.@jaygraybay TV deal expires after 2015-16 season. The last renewal came the previous June, or June 2015 in this timeline.

Reiterates expansion doesn't make sense until the league knows what the new TV deal looks like.

http://www.nypost.com/p/blogs/knicksblog/former_knicks_star_johnson_says_q7mwuAD7922OsVNKtLYRLJ#axzz2S01nMuSJ

:(

They call him 'grandmama' bc of his old fashioned style of hate

huh

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball-dont-lie/ex-nba-star-chris-gatling-accused-squatting-trying-185231647.html

http://weourheroes.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Chris-Gatling-Mugshot1-610x387.jpg

Chris Gatling celebrates the Mavericks winning the 1996 Mexico City Challenge.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rk-yyKyvlc

amazing troll

Kev's boy

http://www.esquire.com/blogs/culture/kareem-things-i-wish-i-knew

not bad

kareem shows u how to live (like a gentleman)

yeah that bynum thing is amazing

Marc Stein: Rumblings persist Suns haven't hired GM yet because they remain hopeful Clips' Grant Hill, out of playoffs now, returns to PHX to take job

Stan Van Gundy to the Bucks? Please??

If I'm Grant Hill I say "haha no" to that offer.

isn't Grant Hill 40 now? if I were him, I'd peace out and enroll in business school

Phoenix has hired Celtics assistant GM Ryan McDonough as its new general manager.

http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/61599/internet-unearths-late-80s-footage-of-martin-and-charlie-sheen-beating-michael-jordan-in-basketball-again-justifies-its-existence

Brandon Roy was waived by the Twolves yesterday. You knew it was coming. It was crazy of him to think he could overcome bone-on-bone knees through pure strength of will. I wish him all the best. He was a magnificent player before his knees got used up.

Hawk's are going after Stan Van which I'm guessing is apart of some hope of landing Dwight. Either way I'm all about it.

http://cdn0.sbnation.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/13021933/dalai-lama-wide.0_standard_709.0.jpg

Portland Trail Blazers GM Neil Olshey and president Chris McGowan welcomed the Dalai Lama to Portland by presenting him with a personalized jersey and team hat during a talk at the Memorial Coliseum on Saturday.

Hawk's are going after Stan Van which I'm guessing is apart of some hope of landing Dwight. Either way I'm all about it.

― Heez, Saturday, May 11, 2013 2:13 PM (2 days ago) Bookmark

u mean hope of repelling dwight right?

Q: The playoffs are in full swing and what are the stories getting big local play for the blazers?

A: New assistant coach hired and the trainer let go. These two were on the front page of the Oregonian newspaper's sports section. Actual NBA playoffs were relegated to an inside page and got about 1/6 the number of inches.

http://i.imgur.com/eWI5Efi.png

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/blog/eye-on-basketball/22260671/charlotte-bobcats-begin-process-of-changing-name-back-to-hornets

yesss first thing they've ever done right

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJv4b6z8ZrU

good psycho T story 6:00 in

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--clippers-reach-out-to-jeff-van-gundy-about-coaching-job-004543641.html

cavs ranked 8th in espn's future power rankings

pacers were 6, one behind the warriors o_O

http://www.espn.go.com/nba/story?storyId=9328547

http://m.espn.go.com/nba/story?storyId=9328547&top&wjb=&y=1cxuj

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball-dont-lie/danilo-gallinari-yet-reconstructive-surgery-could-until-midseason-154654557.html

this offseason is going fucking GREAT

nuggets will win the nba playoffs

between dwight, cp3 and bynum i think this offseason could be more interesting than the lebron year

pretty sure this broussard 'cp3s feelings are hurt' story is some bullshit and he re-signs with the clippers.. dwight is another fucking story. that guy needs to gtfola

i think cp3 will re-sign too but i wouldn't be shocked if the clippers just screwed it all up

it is the clippers after all

During the Grizzlies' playoff run, tensions turned to a confrontation when Hollins exploded during a practice session upon finding Hollinger had walked onto the practice court and engaged forward Austin Daye during a shooting drill, multiple sources told Yahoo! Sports.

With the team watching – and with a motive to show his players that he was completely in charge on the floor, sources said – Hollins loudly questioned Hollinger about what he was doing, and why he believed it was appropriate for a management official to intrude on what's considered sacred territory for a coach and team, sources said.

lol woj

"sacred territory"

so obvious that hollinger would turn scapegoat

That "sacred territory" stuff just another way to say "he stepped onto Lionel's turf".

Austin Daye is on the Grizzlies?

except for this http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/33/jkidd1349083.jpeg i like u jkidd RIP

good god

Analysis: The Pelicans will take a long, hard look at both Burke and Syracuse's Michael Carter-Williams. But I'm not sure they'll bite. This team drafted Austin Rivers last year to be its point guard of the future and sources say that the team hasn't given up on Rivers, despite a miserable rookie season.

am i nuts or is a 3/36 offer for monta something of a lowball?

i think monta needs a reality check regarding what a team wants to pay him in 2013

yeah it's certainly below what monta is looking for--i'm wondering if it's a given that some team will come along with a higher offer.

monta was born abt 12 years too late.

Sounds like Bucks already made the decision to keep Jennings, so why not offer Monta a lowball offer to see if he takes it. Volume-shooting guards seem to always get overpaid during FA, so I'm sure someone is gonna offer him more $ or same money/more years.

Super curious about what will happen w/ Bynum this offseason. Since he has two major strikes against him -- prone to major injuries + not a team leader / coachable dude -- probably means he won't get max deal offers. Would love to see him on a vet / solidified team that needs an extra big. Can, uh ... Miami find a way to hire him for a year?

Also, has there been any Rondo trade talk? Kinda hoping Celtics looking to blow up the team w/ impending Garnett retirement and PP running out of gas soon; that said, since this draft is so weak, this probably isn't the right offseason to blow shit up for prospects.

got to think bynum will take a short offer to prove he can stay healthy then try to cash in w a long max deal

can only see the celtics moving rondo for an established star or a sure thing draft pick

tho I wonder what would happen if a team offered bynum like 4/40

tho I wonder what would happen if a team offered bynum like 4/40

― lag∞n, Saturday, June 8, 2013 11:31 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Four years of irritating futility?

I just want Rondo in a new situation where his one and only job is to dole out as many assists/game as possible and not surrounded by olds / random roster fodder. Basically, either on a Western Conference team or a team that is in dire need of a trü pg.

maybe but its intriguing cause healthy bynum is worth more than the max, he could make a lot of teams contenders real fast xp

agreed rondo on a fast paced team w a bunch of scorers would be so sick

maybe rondo to the nuggs

ilh would prob esplode

oh man, wd love to watch rondo on the nuggs

if we talk about it enough here maybe chris broussard will report it on twitter

multiple sources

got to think bynum will take a short offer to prove he can stay healthy then try to cash in w a long max deal

― lag∞n, Saturday, June 8, 2013 11:28 AM (14 minutes ago) Bookmark

i bet a team rolls the dice on a long term deal

max deal? idk

btw as a c's fan i totally bless #traderondo

im not sure, letting go of good players is dicey

best policy is prob to wait for the next disgruntled superstar demanding trade

or james harden cap terror type situation

i love rondo but he is kind of an icing on the cake guy

he would be awesome in houston w/harden, parsons et al i think

if i were a western gm i'd be trying to get him to defend parker/westbrook/conley and as a bonus if you already have a solid team you get to utilize PLAYOFF RONDO which is a whole different animal

Any team w/o a solid locker room / established player leadership that throws either max money or max years to Andrew Bynum is begging for multiple lottery years. You cannot go anywhere w/ Bynum as your star player, full stop. And that's totally disregarding the fact that he's basically only played one full season his 7-year career.

Wish there were a package Nuggs could offer Celtics that could make sense.

naw bynum is a legit star when healthy he does everything

but if im danny im probably just trying to rebuild around rondo on the fly because right now it looks like anything below third in the east (after mia, ind and chi if rose ever plays basketball again) will be wide open the next couple of years

xp's

Hibachi otm, although Lin kinda fucks that up.

naw bynum is a legit star when healthy he does everything

― lag∞n, Saturday, June 8, 2013 11:59 AM (34 seconds ago) Bookmark

what

rondo's on such a good contract, it would be hard to get equal value back for him at that price unless someone trades a few really good young players

Hibachi otm, although Lin kinda fucks that up.

― IM ME, I DO ME, AND I CHILL (CompuPost), Saturday, June 8, 2013 12:00 PM (22 seconds ago) Bookmark

morey is an ice cold killer, he would not hesitate to make lin a third/combo guard and actively shop him

it's true bynums really good! i mean for him to be the best player on a title team obvs you need a lot of talent around him, hes not lebron, but he could easily be 1b in a lot of differnt title configurations

Bynum is a really talented player who contributes zero positives to a team's culture, which is what you absolutely need to be a better-than-decent team. Bynum will absolutely never lead a team anywhere promising besides Lulzland.

would you guys rather sign bynum at $12m a year for 4 years or dwight howard at $23m a year for 5 years

gtfo w that culture bs, dude can play

peak bynum is such a fleeting thing and outweighed by months of stupidity and injury that i can barely even imagine him on a title team anymore

Oh no, totally don't expect Rondo to go anywhere considering C's dearth of talent / exciting players and his favorable contract. Just feel like that Celts team is about to enter weird limbo and I don't want Rondo's best years sacrificed.

j0rd i choose c) death

bynums problem is he is always injued, lots of assholes have plenty rings

I wonder if you could get Bynum to sign for 4/20 because he's a stoner.

i actually agree with compupost on that one... i think you could compete for a finals with bynum as your offensive centerpiece but you would definitely need to carefully construct the rest of your team and not just from an on-court perspective

it's not that bynum's an asshole, it's that he's really immature

idk how many immature players have rings

would you guys rather sign bynum at $12m a year for 4 years or dwight howard at $23m a year for 5 years

― J0rdan S., Saturday, June 8, 2013 12:03 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

dwight in a second but obvs its a huge risk

i have no problems with assholes winning titles and in fact think you need a lil bit of that edge (ahem kobe, but also like s-jax on spurs etc) to get there but bynums assholery is actively interfering with his ability to be on the court c.f freaking bowling injuries

idk how many immature players have rings

― J0rdan S., Saturday, June 8, 2013 12:05 PM (29 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

none because in the perfection of nba logic once you get a ring youre no longer immature see Wallace Rasheed et al

none because in the perfection of nba logic once you get a ring youre no longer immature see Wallace Rasheed et al

― lag∞n, Saturday, June 8, 2013 12:07 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

sure but sheed was also 10 years into his career at that point

and still yelling ball dont lie and notably AFLAC

not that bynum doesn't already have rings but you know

i have no problems with assholes winning titles and in fact think you need a lil bit of that edge (ahem kobe, but also like s-jax on spurs etc) to get there but bynums assholery is actively interfering with his ability to be on the court c.f freaking bowling injuries

― joe smith avatar (agent hibachi), Saturday, June 8, 2013 12:06 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

bowling we talking abt bowling

haha

Promise to forever gtfo w/ culture stuff as soon as there's a team lead to EC/WC finals by a bozo. Like, every single player/coach/gm says it's important, there's a shitton of anecdotal evidence that it's important, and this is a reminder that irl NBA ≠ your NBA 2K13 roster.

Again people forget that Bynum is technically a vet now and is still a total clown. Teams win w/ clowns on their roster, but not with clowns at their #1 guys (which Bynum would be if he were max'd out).

Guys like Sheed were also lucky to be on teams where he wasn't the #1 guy-- those Detroit teams were helmed by dudes like Billups and Ben Wallace and Rip and Tayshawn. Great teams can absorb clowns but can't be lead by them.

i don't even know who signs bynum anyway. the new philly braintrust doesn't have an obligation to make it work.

compupost otm

But I certainly won't deny that Bynum can be a starting center for a championship team. It's just that a team that wants a fleshed-out roster and expects to go deep in the playoffs can't afford to pay Bynum max money is all.

Promise to forever gtfo w/ culture stuff as soon as there's a team lead to EC/WC finals by a bozo.

― IM ME, I DO ME, AND I CHILL (CompuPost), Saturday, June 8, 2013 12:15 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

j-kidd's nets? though apparently every teammate ever loved the dude

i recant that, off-season jerks are a whole diff thing

BOWLING

i think bynum makes a lot of sense for the cavs but i think they're gonna stupidly hold out for lebron

Damn Baron Davis / Walton / Gibson all off the books now for Cavs, too, and suddenly in the weird position of having a ton of sane contracts.

this is fascinating http://www.shamsports.com/2013/06/the-amount-of-cap-room-teams-will.html

as soon as bynum wins a ring he becomes not a bozo, you all are trapped in a bullshit media tautology

Like, every single player/coach/gm says it's important, there's a shitton of anecdotal evidence that it's important, and this is a reminder that irl NBA ≠ your NBA 2K13 roster.

― IM ME, I DO ME, AND I CHILL (CompuPost), Saturday, June 8, 2013 12:15 PM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

COOL ANECDATA BRO

but anyway allow me to pluck one from recent memory DWIGHT HOWARD

' as soon as there's a team lead to EC/WC finals by a bozo.'

i mean come on do you even follow basketball

dwight is def a compelling counter example

but dwight is a transcendent talent, bynum is merely a very good nba player

so many caveats hold on while i open a spreadsheet to catalog them all

eh. i just don't know if on-balance bynum is "worth it"

guys this is all moot bc we all know bynum is gonna play like 16 games over five seasons and retire so basically its just a question of which gm is dumb enough to hamstring his cap room for two years followed by a big buyout payment

hes not worth it because his body cant withstand an nba season, if he could stay healthy there isnt a team in the league that wouldnt max him out

That's a good counterexample, but as asshatty as Dwight is, to even put him in Bynum's class is kind of a joke. Not to mention Bynum has never averaged 21/14/3 while playing a whole season and being an all-world defensive force.

Like, would love to be proved wrong and hear all sorts of great things about Bynum making the rest of his team work harder / push the rest of his team to be better, but this is totally antithetical to his career MO.

so youre saying its okay to be a bozo if youre as good as dwight

more like dwight was good enough to get away with it. tho it's catching up with him now.

But tbh it seems totally strange to me that you think leadership doesn't matter! Is it just because it's a truism? The fact that it isn't readily quantifiable?

lol at yr argument going from culture uber alles to leadership matter

more like dwight was good enough to get away with it. tho it's catching up with him now.

― J0rdan S., Saturday, June 8, 2013 12:59 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

almost like he was really good at basketball and now hes not as good

xps what J0rdan said, basically, and I don't think Bynum will ever, ever be good enough to dominate a season and have margin of error to dog it a bit. But again, that Dwight/Magic team is totally a cogent counterexample.

Huh? Culture uber alles & leadership matter are basically the same thing.

defining something as 'over all' and 'mattering' are totally not the same thing, one is a weaker assertion than the other, and nor are culture and leadership the same

---

But tbh it seems totally strange to me that you think leadership doesn't matter! Is it just because it's a truism? The fact that it isn't readily quantifiable?

― IM ME, I DO ME, AND I CHILL (CompuPost), Saturday, June 8, 2013 1:00 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

forget quantifiable first try even defining it, as it exists in basketball its mostly a story the media likes to tell, and like of course gm's like to pat themselves on the back for creating culture, if a players character flaws manifest in them being bad at basketball then fine, but the problem here is andrew bynum is really good at basketball

paul pierce started his career as a promising young player, then when the celtics sucked he was a disgruntled bum, then they won a title and he matured and proved himself, all these track perfectly of course to changes in the quality of his teammates, its stupid the nba is not a morality tale, its a skill game

so many players have gotten the same media treatment, i mean can lebron win it it all is he a WINNER omg, please

great post http://www.shamsports.com/2013/06/the-amount-of-cap-room-teams-will.html

Paul Flannery ‏@Pflanns 3m
Pop on LeBron: Your opinions mean nothing to him and they should mean nothing to him.

lol

lets just accept that bynum is the next oden/roy and let him quietly go out to the shed and live the rest of his life out in peace

also, watch this: bynum is the basketball gronkowski BOOM

Hahaha

uncool

ouch

they prob should party together though

great post http://www.shamsports.com/2013/06/the-amount-of-cap-room-teams-will.html

― lag∞n, Saturday, June 8, 2013 1:14 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark

this is good shit, remarkable how clean the cav's books are

i dont rly care abt culture argument but one reason i'd advocate for #traderondo is that i don't think he'll be very pleasant on a bad team.

bowling we talking abt bowling

― lag∞n, Saturday, June 8, 2013 9:14 AM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

imo this is the 2013-14 regular season thread title

ILH way underrating bynum and overrating rondo. i'd love for the nuggs to get bynum and would not want to see them get rondo

lagoon otm itt

*hi5*

Yeah, maybe New Orleans could sign Bynum to pair w/ similarly underrated Eric Gordon. Maybe they could get a decent deal on underrated Greg Oden for Bynum's backup, and maybe claim underrated Brandon Roy off waivers.

those terrible culture guys brandon roy and greg oden

Oden was a depressed drunk that nobody wanted to be around, or so it came out after he left town for good.

Or maybe Bynum could join really-good-at-basketball players Tyreke Evans and DeMarcus Cousins in Sacramento, no way that team doesn't do serious playoff damage.

what is the nba all-jerk starting five

kobe

kobe is kinda beyond jerk tho

yeah kobe is something different

kobe is all-monster

And if Sac has extra cap space why not try to lure JR Smith and Josh Smith, team would be loaded and would definitely not implode before the season starts.

the Raptors have 73 million committed for next year? the RAPTORS?

*types list of quality guys who when grouped together wouldnt win an nba game* god stfu

Kobe heading All Glaring in Disbelief

wow Rudy Gay gets paid a LOT

kobe is a player youd be afraid to be trapped on a boat with hall of famer

what is the nba all-jerk starting five

― Clay, Saturday, June 8, 2013 4:41 PM (28 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Is Rondo a jerk? I feel like Rondo is a jerk, idk. KG is a jerk. Kobe for sure. Stackhouse?

Tons of jerks / temperamental players, but if it's kind of a Players Who Terrify Teammates, seems like Kobe, Garnett and CP3 are a cut above the rest.

Although it's more fun listing an All Pout team, dudes who will go out of their way during gameplay to prove points (Kobe refusing to shoot, Rondo going for double-figure assists, etc.)

rondo is totally a jerk, kg is just like an intimidating berserker but if he approves of you he will defend you to the death apparently, not a jerk in my book

kobe is a transcendant supervillain who would disintegrate you with laser-eyes for even considering his place on a mere "jerk scale"

i feel like a lot of good point guards are kind of jerks- cp3 is definitely, deron absolutely, rondo...

Can't decide if Monta is a jerk or not

oh most definitely

though maybe im conflating "takes lots of low-percentage shots" with "is a jerk"

tbf if you do that you are basically a jerk.

there was the whole thing where he said he couldn't coexist with steph on the basketball court.

and yeah, he's a gunner whose confidence in his GS teammates fluctuated (haven't been following him on the bucks)

Melo seems like he'd be really unpleasant based on his game but idk maybe he's chill.

tbf if you do that you are basically a jerk.

― call all destroyer, Saturday, June 8, 2013 9:42 PM (16 minutes ago) Bookmark

heh i read this to mean if i do that (conflating) that *i* am a jerk

i mean i am a jerk but i pass the rock and set picks mang

melo is def a jerk, he fake-tried to fight kg outside over some basic trash talk, weak

KG prime time trolled him though.

kg is def not a jerk, he is an insane person. jerks are petty malcontents. melo seems more like a spoiled brat who hates not getting his way.

Where are the ILH bulls/Blackhawks fans?

Need a hockey borad

lol hockey

David West seems like a jerk, more of a look though. Same with Kendrick Perk.

there are a couple of bulls fans who post here, deej too but he doesn't post any more

they talk about hockey on ILE iirc

there's a hockey thread with an unwieldily title that I've never opened

i like unwieldy titles bc when i was finish w the thread and bookmark it, i feel like ive accomplished more bc more space at the top has cleared out

@WojYahooNBA: Y! Sports Story: Jay-Z's Roc Nation Sports lures its biggest client yet -- Oklahoma City star Kevin Durant. http://tinyurl.com/mqnus5q

o jeez

jay z's cool kevin durant's cool duh

Y! Sources: Jason Kidd is pursuing the Brooklyn Nets head coaching job. yhoo.it/18kqFyf
4:30am - 10 Jun 13

WHAT

whoa

Argh eff Kidd for depriving us this year from the chance to finally see a player-coach in the 21st century. Knicks would've been a hell of a lot more interesting to watch if there were always the chance Kidd would rip off his suit and check himself in arghghghghghgh.

player-coach is banned in the NBA, I'm pretty sure

have they banned it since 96 when magic did it?

Chauncey Billups won NBA's Teammate of the Year. He then went on First Take and called Blake Griffin soft.

http://sinbapointforward.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/twyman-stokes-trophy.jpg

tough love

then he hit jamal crawford with the award

BOOM
http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/9363701/an-offseason-plan-golden-state-warriors

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xtQ5ENFdzE

omggggggggggg sjax

WATCH THAT

<3

stephen jackson is completely too real for life

he is bout this life

matt who do you want/think is reasonable to be the nuggs coach?

side q to kevin k: was it a good idea to fire karl?

it's difficult to hate the guy and i think he's a great regular season coach, especially (as matt called it earlier) as a manager of a group of knuckleheads like the nuggets, but at times it's obvious he doesn't really have a clue what lineups to put out there or who's playing well and who isn't, and it becomes obvious and more important come playoff time. and to go 2 or 3 games against the best shooter ever and leave him open off the ball is pretty damning as evidence that the dude didn't have a strategy in that series

Good points. speaking as a W's fan, that series was "fluke-y". The firing seemed like a panic move.
Billups as Nugs coach, imo. Player/coach even.

eh fuck having former players as coaches imo

why

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQGx6kv3Qc1-nG6YBF6wCfL6q7-7ZQjVEhWf7JMGsPsZPFugVK5HQ

so wame

http://dubsism.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/phil-jackson-as-a-knick.jpg?w=510

theyll never accept me as a leader :(

http://www.nba.com/hawks/media/HWK_Rivers_Classic_HS.jpg

fuck former players as coaches imo

http://hoopdiary.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/tomjanovich00.jpg

dumbass

players are kinda dumb, coaches should just be stat heads

http://sportige.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Rick-Carlisle-e1345549044835.jpg

gtfo rick

http://www.forumblueandgold.com/wp-content/patriley-216x300.jpg

pat just leave the whole coaching thing to hollinger and daryl morey, please

now that ive thoroughly sonned u w a combined 21 championship rings, will u find a new argument?

:)

not sure if this one is for or against

http://punchdrunktwolves.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/1937395c31f6a610e1c49e5789921.jpg

actually think this guy is a pr good coach

http://www.nba.com/media/history/kevin_mchale_200.jpg

this guy might be the whammy though

http://ww2.hdnux.com/photos/15/12/46/3451317/3/628x471.jpg

Top two winningest NBA coaches, Lenny Wilkins and Don Nelson, both were NBA players.

u guys are better than this c'mon

no we aren't

serious question from someone with limited knowledge of nba history: has anyone been given a coaching job like kidd has and been successful? (define success however you want.)

do coaches usually walk into the job like that? no time spent coaching d-league teams or something like that?

can somebody tell me wth is going on with this doc rivers traded to the celtics bullshit

xp Avery Johnson retired in like 2004 and was head coach within a year iirc. Was named Coach Of the Year in 2006.

ok, though i see he was assistant for a while at least.

yeah a few months

vdn jumped straight to head coach and i think has actually been mostly ok, certainly not a disaster, though he probably could have used a couple of years as an ass't under someone

ilh favorite hand down man down went straight from broadcaster to warriors head coach and has remarkably been pretty good!

i do think kidd will actually be fine because the other straight-to-coach examples are similar- longtime veteran point guards mostly. he also has experience playing for some very good coaches which i think is really a thing, and he's going to bring lawrence frank with him, who was cursed with that garbage pistons roster the last few years but i think is very good

can somebody tell me wth is going on with this doc rivers traded to the celtics bullshit

― 乒乓, Saturday, June 15, 2013 4:12 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

no clue really but it has broussard all over it which means it's not actually happening

though they are definitely talking abt kg & pierce b/c they (clips) are desperately trying to impress cp3 before july 1st, so i wouldn't be surprised if they were just like "hey we need a coach too, if you trade us those guys doc is just gonna bail and do tv, can we just take him too?"

if i were danny and it were really happening i would rake the clips over the coals for it, doc is his best asset at this point

xp yeah not knocking kidd at all, just that it seems weird to me that someone with zero formal experience gets employed in a position like that, particularly at a team with high expectations.

right, totally. as far as i can tell don nelson did it too- went straight to coach AND gm of the bucks! i think the pendulum is swinging more towards it lately b/c statistically brand new guys do about as well or better than retreads (i think there was a good zach lowe article on this recently), and someone along the way realized you can flip the role of asst coaches and use veterans there to shore up a new head coach versus using them as a training ground

i think we might have just also hit a saturation point by around 2010 where the retreads were fully retreaded and not going to go around again, a few possible guys coming up through the ass't ranks flunked out (iavaroni et al) and we're down to just a handful of proven veteran name head guys who are gonna cost a LOT to get in the seat (van gundys, phil), so there wasn't much downside to trying out some new blood

i would bet in kidd's situation his former coaches might also have chipped in and said basically what the heck is he gonna learn as an ass't that he doesn't know as a 40 year old veteran already

if they wanna try out new blood they should try importing some eurocoaches

Thinking that former players don't have an instant leg up coaching-wise is a really strange POV. Would love to see some aggregate winning% stats of former NBA players vs. non. Obviously being a former player isn't a definite prereq or anything (of the final four teams this year, three -- Spo, Vogel and Pop -- never played NBA), but former players have a massive bank of info to draw from that non-players can't really have access to.

Really looking forward to Kidd's first year-- feel like it could be really intriguing watching him develop Deron Williams, although outside of him and Lopez that Nets roster isn't much fun. Have absolutely no idea what to expect from Kidd coaching. BUT PLEASE JKIDD PLEASE PLAYER/COACH A FEW GAMES PLEEEEEEEASE. Kidd filling that spot just means one less team that'll snatch up Brian Shaw; amazing the chips haven't fallen his way for past few offseasons. Not as surprised by Ewing continually getting passed over, though.

And holy fuck these weird Celtics/Clips trades. When was the last time a coach was used as tradebait?

i don't really even understand the argument about coaches--spo played pro ball in germany, pop played for the air force and tried out for the '72 olympic team, vogel played jv at kentucky. basically all coaches are "former players," i'm not so sure it's important what level they played at.

my question on this was based on my surprise at kidd's appointment. i figured the head coach of an nba team would be expected to have spent several years being an assistant or coaching lower league and/or foreign teams, regardless of playing experience. it seems this is the case for most coaches, but there have been plenty of exceptions.

i don't really even understand the argument about coaches--spo played pro ball in germany, pop played for the air force and tried out for the '72 olympic team, vogel played jv at kentucky. basically all coaches are "former players," i'm not so sure it's important what level they played at.

― call all destroyer, Sunday, June 16, 2013 3:43 PM (4 hours ago)

yeah. i think these days i'd rather have a dude who's been thinking about the game longer than he's been playing it

lol what does that even mean

gonna read that as a racial dogwhistle

The higher you ascend in terms of competition, the less likely it is you can get by without thinking about the game. A lot. NBA point guards ALL think about the game. A lot. No exceptions.

plz stop responding to this nonsense "viewpoint" of kev's

gonna read that as a racial dogwhistle

― battle hyrr of the shepublic (m bison), Sunday, June 16, 2013 9:30 PM (Yesterday)

ha i'm aware that it can be read that way but i've been posting here for long enough that i'm not worried about that

i am half-trolling tbf (but only half)

moving bookmark

AI just wtf
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball-dont-lie/report-allen-iverson-accused-ex-wife-abducting-5-195450969.html

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--doc-rivers-unsure-about-returning-to-celtics-as-coach-after-clippers-deal-falls-apart-171226963.html

celtics handled this one pretty well huh

The Clippers were just messing with Danny.

the whole idea of trading a coach is completely bonkers

like this would only ever occur to two drunk people. no sober pair of gm's would have this idea.

just... why!?
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/9404115/nba-adidas-further-audition-short-sleeve-jerseys

well they explain why tbf

it is true that no one not on a basketball court should be wearing a basketball jersey, but the addition of sleeves isn't going to help things all that much.

let me know when a team starts wearing sports tuxedos

it's also like, i don't think anybody who owns a basketball jersey was ever prevented from wearing one because they wanted to wear short sleeves instead... they just put on a white tee underneath the jersey

otm I'm not sporting a tight ass cap-sleeved game jersey

LOL see these just flat out cannot look good on normal looking folk
http://blogimages.thescore.com/tbj/files/2013/02/klay-trey-jerseys.jpg

The guy on the right looks 100x less weird than Klay does tbh

steph curry did not handle his playoff exit well huh

Yeah but c'mon no one in their right mind is wearing that mess out in the public xp
lol granny

Sleeves mean more fabric for defenders to grab.

should do an exhibition shirts/skins game

well they explain why tbf

― call all destroyer, Wednesday, June 19, 2013 5:19 PM (5 hours ago) Bookmark

no they didn't btw it's just more space ready for when they sell ads on jerseys

so the celtics trade rivers to the clips but the league isnt gonna let them move garnett too even in a separate deal figuring the teams will conspire to link the two

yup

baffling on all accounts

trading a coach is pretty gangster

lol owned https://twitter.com/bballbreakdown/status/562429811193171968

oops wrong one