R.I.P. Chris Chambers 2001-2007

but for a real as a dolphins fan i'm sad about this.

i'm gonna post google image results now.

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dude regularly ate the pats defensive backfield for brunch, i'm not sorry to see him leave the division. too bad he's still in the conference.

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i'm serious when i say that he is responsible for at least 7 of the 10 most breathtaking catches i've ever seen live.

i actually remember being shocked like 3 years into his career when i realized he was listed at 5' 11''. plays like he's 6' 3''.

Chris Chambers carried me far in one of my first fantasy football teams. I almost became a Dolphins fan.

I am pretty stoked to get him, but a 2nd round pick is pretty good value.

so miami will have one of the top two picks in the draft plus one of the top two in the second round plus the chargers 2nd pick (chambers) and the patriots 2nd (welker)? four of the top 70 or so picks? not a bad way to start a rebuilding...

hey dolphins fans, who do you take with the first pick? brohm? trade down and take matt ryan or woodson or brennan?

i don't think they'll take a qb. seems like they decided last year that john beck was better than brady quinn and/or every other qb in the 1st round of that draft. i think beck will be camerons guy, do or die.

huh, ok. nothing like compounding a mistake with another mistake.

i suppose you can't really lose if you wind up with that monster d-tackle from LSU.

The Falcons will take Brohm.

it's gotta be someone on defense. zack thomas is cooked, channing crowder is SLOOOOW. the d-line is okay, the defensive backs are truly awful. all of saban's picks in effort to shore up the DBs failed miserably. travis daniels will be out of the league in 2 years and we've started 5 different safeties this year, not one of which was former 1st round pick jason allen.

i'd look for the 1st pick to be someone like miami's own calais campbell or kenny phillips, or that big ass D lineman from LSU or someone like Lauranitis the LB from ohio st.

yeah i'm not agreeing w/ the idea of forging ahead forever w/ a second round pick from BYU, but i would be schocked if they let a 2nd round pick rot on the bench forever, which is what would happen if they took a qb.

also, i should have said "live or die" up there.

and i don't htink they would take any of those guys i mentioned up there #1 overall. but i don't think we'll have the #1 overall pick.

Yeah, it's still early, and the way the Rams are playing it looks like they'll have secured the #1 draft pick by Halloween. Miami may end up with #2 or #3, though.

The only question at this point is whether Rams go defense and pick Glenn Dorsey or offense and grab a new WR (tbd).

heaven needed a wr ;_;

the rams don't have to play the pats two more times this season. i'd heard the rumor that atlanta was going to go for brohm. that will ruin his career, having his college coach as his pro coach.

xpost- wow, i just checked the remaining schedules for shits and giggles and miami is fucking cooked! pats twice, philly, nyg, pittsburgh, at buffalo in december.... they have the hardest road to hoe between them, atl, and stl.

brohm--> atlanta would make sense w/ the petrino connection. the dolphins getting the #1 would just add that stockpile of picks you mentioned upthread.

Speaking of former L'ville stars, what's the progress on Michael Bush's broken leg? Will he get any carries in Oakland in 2007?

twas a baller, that one.

probably not w/ lamont jordan tearing it up and dom rhodes returning into the fold.

xpost- no, it wouldn't add to them it would move them up one slot for there own picks. i figured they'd have "one of the top two picks in the draft..."

right i was insinuating that they would find someone they liked in the 7-11 range and trade down for more picks.

should have said that explicitly tho.

unless there is a mario williams-like top 2 defensive talent on the board, which i guess dude from LSU could be.

Barring injury or unexpected poor performance, Glenn Dorsey (LSU dude) will go in the top 3...book it. :)

right i was insinuating that they would find someone they liked in the 7-11 range and trade down for more picks.

yeah, i was thinking trade down if they were going qb. if they can.

1. Darren McFadden* RB Arkansas
2. Chris Long DE Virginia
3. Glenn Dorsey DT LSU
4. Calais Campbell* DE Miami
5. Jake Long OT Michigan
6. DeSean Jackson* WR California
7. Derrick Harvey* DE Florida
8 Sedrick Ellis DT USC
9. Matt Ryan QB Boston Coll.
10. Ryan Clady* OT Boise St.
11. Andre Woodson Jr. QB Kentucky
12. Kenny Phillips* S Miami
13. Samuel Baker OT USC
14. James Laurinaitis* ILB Ohio State
15. Brian Brohm QB Louisville
16. Keith Rivers OLB USC
17. Malcolm Jenkins* CB Ohio State
18. Gosder Cherilus OT Boston Coll.
19. Vernon Gholston* DE Ohio State
20. Malcolm Kelly* WR Oklahoma
21. Justin King* CB Penn State
22. Rey Maualuga* ILB USC
23. Adarius Bowman WR Okla. State
24. Dan Connor OLB Penn State
25. Early Doucet III WR LSU
26. Quentin Groves DE Auburn
27. Michael Oher* OT Mississippi
28. Ali Highsmith OLB LSU
29. Reggie Smith* CB Oklahoma
30. Jonathan Stewart* RB Oregon
31. Fili Moala* DT USC
32. Frank Okam DT Texas

^^that's the scout's inc. top 32. asterisked guys aren't seniors.

we might as well start an '08 draft thread...

dolphins don't need mcfadden, obv.

i'm surprised ryan is up that high. he does get rid of the ball faster than any qb i've seen in years though.

18. Gosder Cherilus OT Boston Coll.

this guy is a beast.

The super-speculative 2008 NFL draft thread

i think they'd shy away from picking a DE as well, unless they unload taylor like some rumors have said.

i, personally, think the best case scenario would be getting a top 3 pick and trading down into the low end of the top 10 and picking kenny phillips, 1. because i am a homer and all the hurricanes who have gone from to the dolphins out of the draft have been awful (R.I.P. yatil green) and 2. because he's better than sean taylor was when he was @ UM.

fucking cleveland indians....

http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20071018/images/chargers2.jpg

Zoinks! He's got a bit of the Reche Caldwell virus.

I was thinking the same thing!

wau the chargers are pretty psyched abt this - exactly what they needed

He is the first true #1 wide receiver the Chargers have had since Charlie Joiner in the '80s, unless you count David Boston (lol).

boston was fierce until they started testing his pee.

RIP RONNIE BROWN. THIS WAS YOUR YEAR MY DUDE.

"We can't win in America," defensive end Jason Taylor said. "Maybe we can win overseas."

we can only hope.

I wonder how long until the Chargers can re-hire Cameron as O Coordinator.

not for a couple years, looks like cameron is blowing up that team and recreating it according to his spec.

i doubt you all read peter king, but today he had a graphic up showing that not one single person the dolphins drafted or traded for on draft day from 1998-2003— 59 players in total— is currently on the team.

Miami had 59 picks total in those six drafts -- 46 used to draft players, and 13 used to trade for 10 other players (Tyrone Wheatley, Kevin Gogan, Jim Druckenmiller, Alonzo Mayes, Matt Turk, Ricky Williams, Jeff Ogden, Cade McNown, Jay Williams, Sage Rosenfels). They traded two ones and a four for Ricky Williams and a four in return and traded two sixes for McNown.

Zero for 59! Astonishing.

^^^that's a direct c/p from the article.

yeah i read that and it reminded me A LOT of the post-parecells pre/belichick-pioli era when bobby grier blew all the picks the pats got from the jets. chris canty, sedrick shaw, tony simmons, chris floyd, j'juan cherry (who might have been good if he could've kept himself out of jail which, sadly for him, he couldn't), andy katzenmoyer, etc. etc.

pioli was the savior of this franchise at least as much as belichick.

those were the days when pete carrol would say the team was "jacked and pumped" and the players would give him the o_O

the only mildly redeemable players from that whole lot were ricky (out of fins hands), mcmichael, travis minor, maybe rob konrad, maybe morlon greenwood, and fittingly, chris chambers.

just astoundingly R.I.P. names looking back.

and patrick surtain.

konrad was a decent fullback.

yeah and he retired prematurely so you can't really fault them for that one.

yeah i'm not agreeing w/ the idea of forging ahead forever w/ a second round pick from BYU, but i would be schocked if they let a 2nd round pick rot on the bench forever, which is what would happen if they took a qb.

Well, we had a chance at highly-touted Brady Quinn, and Cameron passed. I assume that he did so because he thought Beck -- who he expected to be available in the second round -- was a better prospect (or a much better value pick).

i don't think we'll have the #1 overall pick.

Yeah, we will. Even without our admittedly devestating injuries, the Dolphins are the weakest team in the league. We'll maybe win a game this year. I wish it weren't so, Jordan; I'm a long-time Miami fan, too. But this has been a long time coming. In a way, I am kind of excited about a real rebuilding effort.

ricky (out of fins hands)

I dispute this. RW didn't quit the Fins so much as he quit Wannstedt.

yeah i said i didn't think we would get the number 1 a few weeks ago when ronnie was still playing and we were at least mildly competitive. i hope we get the #1 and trade down into the 5-7 range, personally.

the most glaring problem to me is that saban made a real concerted effort at shoring up the defensive backs, and just failed miserably. travis daniels is truly awful and jason allen could barely get on the field even during the safety carousel. not only were those wasted picks in general, but it's just another thing we have to worry about fixing.

i think they need to worry seriously about the defense in this upcoming draft, and hope to see if cleo/beck + hagan/ginn/whoever + ronnie is enough to make some noise for a few years.

I'm undecided on what we should do with the No. 1 pick. On the one hand, I like your notion about trading down to get more picks. On the other hand, I don't trust the current regime to make good selections, so if the right "can't-miss" No. 1 selection is available, I might prefer them making the safe choice.

that's if someone from 5-7 wants to trade up. remember last year when teams were desperately trying to trade out of the top 10 but nobody wanted to take the risk of moving up?

i haven't read up on brown's injury, how bad is it? season ending i'm assuming? what's the outlook on next year? is it bad enough where they'd consider drafting a running back? i'd still probably either go with a qb or the tackle out of lsu if i were them.

er, huge xpost there.

Lemon won't be an impact player. He's been around awhile; there's a reason he's been a career backup with a few teams. I think we have to get Beck into games this year to evaluate him, especially since he's older than the typical rookie.

Totally agree with you about focusing on defense. If Ronnie Brown fully recovers, we'll be fine at running back for years. Chapman is a very good backup. I think Cameron can be credited for Brown's improvement, by shaking him up in preseason (e.g., putting him in on punt returns, not committing to him as the No. 1 back).

i keep forgetting the pats have the niners 1st rounder this coming draft, i should be rooting against them.

+ ronnie got really in shape. this team really needs an urlacher/terrance newman type pick, i.e. a young dude who can step in and play competently early and then turn into a corner stone of the team. kiper has 3 defensive linemen in his top 5, and i guess i wouldn't be mad at any of those three dudes (dorsey-lsu, long-uva, campbell- miami).

^^i know that's asking a lot (to pick an urlacher) but we're one jason taylor-less season from being the worst defense in the league.

dorsey scares the hell out of me, i'd hate to see the pats have to go up against him twice a year for the next 5 years.

i said this upthread, but my dream situation would be trade down, get more picks, pick kenny phillips, safety from miami. he's gonna be ed reed good, but i'm sure i'm wishful thinking.

i haven't read up on brown's injury, how bad is it? season ending i'm assuming? what's the outlook on next year? is it bad enough where they'd consider drafting a running back? i'd still probably either go with a qb or the tackle out of lsu if i were them.

Season-ending ACL tear. Jordan may have more information on this. Some people have begun asking whether this means we should draft a running back. What a disaster if we have to do that, when we have so many other needs on this team.

i don't know much more about ronnie's injury other than he's out for the year. i think its boilerplate acl tear, i.e. hopefully he'll be back by next year. to be completely honest, i could swallow us taking mcfadden, who is gonna be next year's peterson, i think.

More on the Dolphins' defense, from this morning's Miami Herald:

Dolphins' defensive issues for '08

Fun facts: A streaker ran across the field just before half-time at the Giants/Dolphins game. Funny British! And rookie quarterback John Beck has "his wife quiz him on the playbook in bed. . . ." Foreplay!

Also in that article: Normally sane Doug Collins saying the Miami Heat would "struggle to make the playoffs." WTF really?

Remaining games will shape decisions on DBs Jason Allen, Travis Daniels, Andre Goodman and impending free agent Michael Lehan.

^^^none of these guys are particularly good.

lol doug collins. dwayne wade, shaq, jason allen, travis daniels and andre goodman could make the nba playoffs in the east.

from the "addition by subtraction" department, didn't the heat just jettison antoine walker?

That last Dolphins series was as ugly as anything I've seen since the Raiders last year. Just completely brutal.

Yeah. I mean, the Shaq/Wade Heat won't be in the top 8 teams in the Eastern Conference? Man-o-man-o-man-o-man. Some people.

Honestly, if we stay healthy, and if no other blockbuster trades occur -- e.g. Kobe to Bulls -- I think we have as good a chance of getting to the Finals as any team in the East. Yeah, the Bulls swept us last year, but (a) don't forget we're just a year off of winning the championship and (b) Wade was seriously hurt throughout that series.

And Kevin, yes, we just dumped Walker. But we got Ricky Davis in return (and a servicable backup center), and it helps our cap position substantially.

ricky davis might be good for these dudes. someone to jar them out of the lull they seemed to be in last year.

kobe to the bulls isn't going to happen unless la changes their demands. they're asking deng, ty thomas, ben gordon, and a 1st round pick.

The Heat are a total risk to not make the playoffs. Dwyane Wade has knee and shoulder injuries. Shaq is old, and is banged up. Without them, here's your lineup:

Jason Williams (coming off a bad year, shin injury)
Ricky Davis (complementary player)
Dorell Wright (stinks)
Udonis Haslem (complementary player)
Zo Mourning (ideally a bench guy due to kidney)

And then beyond those guys, they're even worse.

i think it's hilarious that kobe is like, you can trade me to the bulls BUT NOT FOR THE GOOD PLAYERS.

maybe i should recant my previous statements on this thread seeing that the giants have 28 PASSING YARDS (??) today.

Obv., polyphonic, without a healty Wade and O'Neal, the Heat may not make the playoffs. But with a healthy Wade and O'Neal, they remain a viable threat to win the championship.

Take away the top two players from virtually any NBA title contender and you'll have the same situation.

Healthy, I meant healthy. Damn, I can't type.

idk if anyone in the heat's division besides washington is going to give the heat that much trouble. i'll let orlando do it for another year before i take them seriously.

I'll take Orlando over Washington right now. D. Howard is good.

howard is the fucking truth, but the rest of that team is shaky at best. we'll see what rashard lewis is like. my jury is still out, at least at the idea of them being any better than a 7th seed this year.

Uh, Jordan, don't look now, but . . .

13 -- 9.

YAY GINN

13 -- 9 10.

Fixed. WE ARE SO GONNA WIN THIS GAME AND THE DIVISION.

Sorry to sound like such a snarky jackass. Look, we played okay. Amazingly, even at 0 -- 8, I see a future, but we must make some sharp moves in the offseason and hope our injured players return healthy and durable.

so happy about ginn.

Yeah, yeah. Also, Lemon outplays Manning statistically. Wow.

Take away the top two players from virtually any NBA title contender and you'll have the same situation.

I'm not saying that they won't make the playoffs... I think they will. But when your top two guys are injured going into the season, and one of those guys is an old, perpetually-injured center, you're a little bit behind the eight ball going in.

Anyway, Chris Chambers is awesome.

FO really hates Chris Chambers. they charted the 82 wide receivers that were targeted at least 50 times last year, and he graded out the worst by a huge margin:

http://footballoutsiders.com/stats/wr2006.php

I disagree with them!

man, no one works the sideline like this dude.

You know what, Chris Chambers was always an uneven receiver. He did make many great catches, but he very rarely had complete seasons. And yea, he did have the KEystone Kops throwing to him at QB, but he's also proven to be a lazy receiver at times. He often didn't come back to underthrown passes to make a play to prevent the defender from picking the ball off, and sometimes disappeared.

His Pro Bowl season was a joke--it was really 6 or 7 good games, and before the Buffalo game he had been pretty invisible. 2003 was his best year--he didn't gain 1,000 yards but he was consistent all year and clutch.

Losing him isn't going to kill us. Having a team that is Arena Football quality is what is killing us. It's the fire sale!

BJOTM

Dude was fucking clutch all day today. Love him.

You know what, Chris Chambers was always an uneven receiver.

so missing the point of this thread.

Two points:

1. I said this weeks ago.

2. "to all the diving catches, to all the one-handed grabs, to all the years it was supposed to be YOUR year only to be saddled with throws from the damon huard and the joey harrington and the a.j. feely.
you will forever be in our hearts and in our prayers as we take solace in knowing that you've moved on to a better place."
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Yes, you may be wishing him well in the original post, but with your sappy comments in the first portion of the sentence, you left his quality wide open for debate. Unless you naively believed nobody would do so or that someone could actually not be moved much at all positively or negatively by the trade (as I wasn't)

besides, look at the 3 or 4 posts that were directly above mine and you'll see why I piped in.

michael jenkins and matt jones make some crazy freakshow catches every once in a while too but they fucken sux butts and so does chris chambers, fuk u 4 starting this thread

and I completely disagree with that ^^^^^^ assessment as well (though it defeated itself from the getgo)

chris chambers>some dude patriots fan who wears a hat.

lol wut

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