i, for one, have never enjoyed football more - nfl week 12 thread

yaya!

pats/iggles this week? could be a good game?

I actually had to look up who the iggles are. I feel kinda dumb now.

T-I-T-S TITS !

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/20/sports/football/20fans.html

The New York Tits. Chaki, please alter Jets logo plz.

i cant find any of these videos on the youtube except one that was deleted

I hate Norv Turner so much.

serious question: anyone know what the scheduling rules are in the nfl? more specifically, why have the dolphins played in pittsburgh two years in a row? you would think the dolphins would have gotten them at home this year.

packers + lions= finally a good and meaningful thxgiving game.

schedules are based on a formula based on where teams finish. they didn't play pittsburgh, per se, two times in a row, they played the team that finished in pittsburgh's slot two years in a row.

here's more accurate information.

Well that made my head throb.

no, it's handy! you know who your team is going to play next year at the end of week 17! learn to love math!!

I don't like interconference weirdness.Tampa should never have any reason to go to Buffalo.

My new football scheduling rule would be that the team with the best record should host the Super Bowl. Since the Super Bowl is an economic shot in the arm for the host city there's no reason the same 6 cities should get the benefit all the damn time. Plus adding a hint of weather to the Super Bowl would be make the game more interesting. The rain last year in Miami was awesome and the clouds should be seeded in the skies of every host city a week before the game.

The fact that I'm not NFL commissioner is loss to humanity.

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Plus adding a hint of weather to the Super Bowl would be make the game more interesting.

remember the year (82?) when it was in detroit and there was a snowstorm and the team bus for one of the teams almost didn't make it in time for the game?

After 15 years in warm weather venues, the Super Bowl moved to the Pontiac Silverdome in January of 1982. And on a day that saw the wind chill dip below zero, 81,270 football fans settled into the warmth of the spacious dome to enjoy Super Bowl XVI between the Cincinnati Bengals and the San Francisco 49ers.

omg I fogot about that

and I lived in MI at the time

just i think the superbowl should never be in a dome thats all i ask

CK did you ever buy the strat-o-matic computer game?

I'm replaying the 1979 Browns. '79 Pats look like they're right up you alley.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/nwe1979.htm

i told you guys last week tits would win.

in all the years Bill Belichick spent as a hobo, the one thing he learned is that mercy is always a mistake~~~~

GB @ DET - GB
NYJ @ DAL - DAL
IND @ ATL - ATLOL
NO @ CAR - CAR
OAK @ KC - KC
HOU @ CLE - HOU
BUF @ JAC - JAC
SEA @ STL - SEA
TEN @ CIN - CIN
WAS @ TB - TB
MIN @ NYG - NYG
SF @ ARI - ARI
BAL @ SD - SD
DEN @ CHI - DEN
PHI @ NE - NE
MIA @ PIT - PIT

brownie, no never did. but i get my first paycheck in months next week so maybe.

yeah how bad are this weeks games? when det v. gb is the only remotely good matchup i dont need to be drunk to tell you wk 12 should be aborted

my dad was still a season ticket holder in '79. he said the '78 team was probably the best one he saw, better than the '76 team that *should* have beat the raiders in the playoffs if not for the phantom roughing the passer call against sugar bear hamilton. it was weird seeing ron erhart's name when i clicked on that link, he was the coach that eventually drove the pats into the ground. and also the guy who first brought bill parcells to new england.

check out the stats back then, totally different game. '79 was the last year before grogan's knees totally went out on him. probably his best year statistically, 3200 yards passing, 28 tds, and he could still run. in '78 the pats had three running backs rush for at least 675 yards and then had grogan run for 539. those are stats that some southwest conference team from the early '80s would put up when running the wishbone offense.

o idk, phi @ ne is gonna be da hottness imho

hou @ cle could be entertaining too

ok yeah the clev is entertaining every week.

phi/ne will be over after like half a quarter. line is insanely TWENTY-TWO AND A HALF and that is prob too little

Miami@Pitt might be interesting if the Steelers continue to play down to the competition. You have to beat the bad teams. This is why all the blather about NE running up the score makes no sense. I've watched several games this year alone where teams who are behind 10 to 20 points come back to either win or make it close. This is is the pros, if you don't want the score run up on you, stop the offense.

what's the over/under in the pats game? because westbrook is exactly the kind of back who gives their d fits. plus the pats are gonna score like 90 points so.... take the over.

they lost and all, but remember how the skins shredded the eagles d w/ james thrash a couple weeks back?

que barbaro.

scoresandodds.com says Patriots' o/u is currently at 50. Cleveland and Houston are at 52.

pats could put that up themselves. SMART MONEY'S ON THE OVER!

i predict belichick punts on 1st and goal five times in the 1st half just so he can be all what'd want me to do go for the td? in the presser

What if the ball goes through the uprights??

touchback, unless it was a dropkick.

Packers - Detroit can't stop the pass and has a terrible running game, so unless Favre has one of his particularly bad dome games and throws a bunch of interceptions or the Lions get a TD off of a return, I don't see how the Lions can win.

Dallas - I'd like to see the Jets win two in a row, I don't think it will happen.

Indy - The Colts have some injury problems, but so does Atlanta. I can't see the Falcons winning.

Texans - Houston has got Andre Johnson and Schaub healthy and are quietly back to .500 at 5-5. I could see taking that over bet for this game as both teams D is in the lower parts of the NFL.

Seahawks - I want to take the Rams to win their third in a row, but I just cannot pull the trigger.

Giants - The Giant's offense has been sputtering and their defense is getting nicked up. NYG's are pretty decent stopping the run, so even if Petersen plays, I think they should have enough to beat the Vikings.

Tampa - I'm picking the Bucs, but I don't feel good on the pick as I think they are not any better than Washington. Campbell looked pretty sharp against the Cowboys and they were a play or two away in that game.

Carolina - If you could take the Panthers D and put them with the Saints offense you might have one good club. NO could win, especially if they get up a couple of scores.

Tennesee - The Titans' D has been giving up some yards in the past few weeks after being tough early in the year. Cinci's offense is just not in step, they make stupid plays at the wrong time. They move the ball all over the place but drop passes in the endzone or get penalties that lead to field goals instead of TDs.

KC - This will be a fugly game, but that is the Chiefs' kind of game.

Arizona - SF might be a playoff team if they had an offense, especially with their defense. Arizona has some impressive athletes. I had not seen Larry Fitzgerald play outside of highlights, that guy can catch some passes.

Chargers - SD is not going anywhere, but the Ravens are not getting it done.

Bears- Denver has been up and down all year, I figure this is their down week.

NE - I'd love to see Jim Johnson's defense create some serious pain for NE, but more likely those blitzes will get turned into completed bombs for big yards.

Steelers - After last week, I think Pittsburgh is totally suspect. They have a bunch of wins and the talking heads are hot on them, but criminy they have lost now to the Jets, Arizona and Denver. They are not terrible or anything, but they are getting the benefit of a easy schedule like this week with Miami.

The wheels are coming off slowly, but surely, for Pittsburgh. They'll win this weekend (probably) and have a easy schedule the rest of the way for the most part but Big Ben is taking hits like he's never before. Pitt gave up four sacks to Clevo who couldn't rush a Who concert before that game. Roffles was limping around the Jets last Sunday as well. Parker and Davenport haven't been the ambiguously 1000 yard duo like I thought. Troy P still blitz's but can't get to the QB like he should be- have teams figured out how to block that blitz? DA for the Browns was never sacked in their heartbreaker which is mind blowing.

Their D is still good and they'll win the division by one game but I don't think Roffles is going last the season.

is aikman starting to sound a little like madden? i mean, still way more coherent & tolerable but something tells me he isnt going to age well.

it's just the tone of his voice, thankfully not what he says.

spread in pats/eagles game = 22 points.
ppg eagles are giving up this year = 18.7.

i don't think i've ever seen a game where the spread was more than what the underdog gives up per game.

There are currently 18 teams in the NFL who are 4-6, 5-5, or 6-4 (I'm including the 6-5 Lions here).

the bills look just brutal so far.

and yet they're only down by 6...

meanwhile, Tarvaris Jackson seems to be coming along nicely! 5-7 for 101 and a td and only sacked twice so far by that Giants line

jamaal fudge is my new fav name, btw

lol eli lookin bummy

everytime i see S. Rice in a boxscore i think of santino rice from proj runway

GO BROWNS!! Even though it's only been one game, McDonald is totally outplaying Eric Wright.

Not the most exciting Browns game ever, but they got the job done.

wow hester

"wow hester"

This exclamation is applicable about every other week of the season.

"wow hester" some more

why do they do a thing?

“We’re not going to kick away from him,” Sauerbrun told The Denver Post. “We respect him and he’s the best, but we have guys on our coverage teams that are paid to make big tackles.”

this game is kinda sweet ty devin hester!

3 tds in 27 secs

come on hester lets do it again!

aw u pussy broncos wtf

i bet hester is better @ qb than grossman

http://www.sadlyno.com/wordpress/uploads/2007/11/lolichick.jpg

Of all the games on the schedule this week, I'd have never pegged the Broncos/Bears one to be even in the top 10 of most watchable. But it sure is.

hah this game is awesome kick returns bombs blocked punt rb pushed into endzone by o line !!!!

The Bears should just try to play special teams and forget about this whole offense and defense thing.

lol most improbable drive in the history of the nfl

ok there is no way the bears can have back to back scoring drives

o wtf 49rs just won on a kurt warner fubmle in ot

awz game everybody !!!

the team that wins the coin toss wins over 60% of nfl overtimes.

Wow that was really a cool game to watch...rain, mud, kick returns, punt returns, blocked punts, big field goals & bomb passes.

Some Denver fans are probably having to hide the razor after this one. Losing this game and getting completely demolished a couple of times earlier this year, this has to be the most trying season for some Bronco fans in quite a few season.

The data appear to support the notion that the football team scoring first in sudden-death overtime is usually the one that had won the coin toss and received the ball.

Interestingly, the cumulative data hide the effect of a rule change that occurred in 1994, when kickoffs were moved back 5 yards to the 30-yard line. Since 1994, nearly one-third of overtime games have been won on the first possession by the team that received the ball first. In the first 20 seasons, under the old rule, slightly more than one-quarter of the games were won in this fashion.

A recent analysis by economist Richard E. Hawkins of Pennsylvania State University in DuBois confirms that these differences are statistically significant.

"The analysis finds with 99.99 % certainty that the coin flip has made a difference in the outcome of the game over the last 10 years," he concludes. "But for the period prior to those 10 years, the coin flip cannot be shown to be important."

Would a first-to-six overtime rule do any better?

In the current issue of the College Mathematics Journal, Michael A. Jones of Montclair State University in New Jersey uses a probability model and data from the 2002 NFL regular season to compare the current overtime rule with the suggested first-to-six rule. His analysis looks at the impact of the coin toss on both the outcome of the game and the efficiency of eliminating ties.

Using a so-called Markov chain model, Jones examines the consequences of sudden-death overtime on two fairly matched teams, assuming that both teams have equal probabilities of scoring a touchdown and kicking a field goal. He does the same for the first-to-six proposal.

"The first-to-six proposal does decrease the probabilities that the receiving team wins the game on the first possession and that they win the game eventually," Jones concludes. However, "although the first-to-six rule reduces the impact of the coin toss on the outcome of the game, it is less efficient at eliminating ties."

Applied to 2002 data, the model developed by Jones suggests that the team winning the coin toss and receiving the ball would win with a probability of 49 percent under the first-to-six rule (versus 60 percent for sudden-death overtime). The probability of games ending in a tie would rise to 12 percent (versus 9 percent).

Is the suggested rule worth implementing?

"This reduction in the impact of the coin toss on the outcome of the game is a trade-off because of the increase in the number of tie games," Jones writes. "Although fans would be happy that the outcome of the game is decided less by luck and more by play on the field, coaches may regret Monday morning quarterbacks second-guessing their decisions of whether or not to attempt field goals in overtime. Scoring three points still gives the other team an opportunity to score a touchdown and win the game."

"One thing is certain," he adds. "The first-to-six proposal increases the probability that fans will discuss the National Football League in the off-season."

http://www.maa.org/mathland/mathtrek_11_08_04.html

Wow that was really a cool game to watch...rain, mud, kick returns, punt returns, blocked punts, big field goals & bomb passes.

it was freezing rain, i got caught in it on my way home and stopped at a bar to watch the first half because my face isn't used to being pelted by ice yet. i fucking hate chicago winters.

werent u planning on leaving that place?

i got a job and had to give a one year commitment. so i'm here until next november.

or i could go back on my word i guess but that would be out of character.

u would have to change yr screen name which would be kinda a pain

small price to pay to avoid 3 1/2 months of bone rattling cold followed by 4 1/2 months of oppressive heat and humidity.

wait, that's wrong, that would mean there are 4 months where it's livable here and that's patently false. it's closer to 6 weeks.

is it worse than boston/nyc?

i spent my first 25 years in new england and it's so much worse. not nearly as much snow but it gets so much colder and stays really cold longer. there's not much spring, maybe two weeks a year before it gets unbearably hot and humid. you know how boston in july is a sweat box? that starts in mid june and doesn't let up until september here. this is the longest fall we've had since i moved here and it was sprinkled with one week where it went from 35 to 74 in two days. once the wind starts blowing across the prairie forget it.

that does sound pretty bad

too early to say game over?

uh no

pats makin teams desperate in the 1st quarter

this game has the largest point spread for an nfl game not involving an expansion team

EVER

23 1/2 points fyi

and thats only .5 lower than when the champ steelers played the expansion bucs in 76

the steelers covered

i wonder what the biggest spread was when the underdog won outright

someone was trying to tell me they took it off the board in vegas, like in every sportsbook you can no longer bet on pats games...i nodded along, oh hmm you dont say, and all, but there is just no way thats true.

the only way they'd take it off the board is if someone laid some heavy cake on the eagles.

like, real heavy.

the record will be broken v jets

say a portion of cake the size of which the KU coach would eat??

so what is the largest ever college spread? what's the biggest that's ever been covered?

covered? was the the Mich./ App St on the board?

BROWNS ETC

hellava thing, that game. Rookie CB replaces a rookie CB and the Browns win it...

Figured it for a shoot out.

Eagles O looking good so far.

i dont think there are generally lines on I-A vs I-AA games.

ive read that stanford-usc this year was the largest spread ever in cfb where the underdog won outright...it was like USC -39 or something.

im more wondering about bullshit games when its like UF vs. Fla International...i mean, there have to have been games w/ lines in the 50s.

um... this pats game is actually pretty good. mcnabb-less eagles puttin' up a fight

yeah, interesting to see what the pats do in a game. they haven't been in one since they played the cowboys.

since mauroney apparently isn't playing it looks like my other fantasy team will collect a grand total of -1 points from my rb & rb/wr positions today. i will lose that game.

really, tom brady shoulda been in a Kubrick movie.

beautiful screen.

Holy shit! Eagles by four!

THIS GAME!!!

OMG GUYS I JUST GOT HOME FROM A 10 HOUR ROAD TRIP.

I FOR ONE AM ENJOYING FOOTBALL AGAIN.

!!!!

go Eagles. I am SICK of hearing this undefeated talk. There is usually at least one team a decade that is head and shoulders above the rest of the pack, but why is it that only one has gone undefeated?

Besides...with the expansion to 16 games, it all but guarantees wrapping up home field by the 14th game if you wind up starting 14-0, and do you play your starters in both meaningless games?

Law of averages means they'll find a way to lose. Hopefully TONIGHT. doesn't mean they still won't win the SB, but I sure hope they don't cuz I fucking hate the Pats and always have

http://z.about.com/d/civilliberty/1/0/J/1/-/-/firingsquad500.jpg

and do you play your starters in both meaningless games?

why not, they've already got multiple superbowl rings. why not do something no one else has done?

Yea, but the only reason anybody talks about Miami's undefeated season in 1973 is because it continued through the playoffs. Absolutely NOBODY would have given a crap about it if they had lost in the playoffs or Super Bowl, because it would have been trivia, nothing more.

I'm not saying it would happen, but if you played starters in games that meant nothing, and one or more of them got cheap shotted and missed the playoffs, and you lost as a result....you'd be second guessing that one forever.

A lot of people blasted Dungy for not playing his starters in 05 but I don't think that's why Indy lost. Pittsburgh just flat out out played them. They were a little flat, but Pittsburgh looked inspired in that game

they should and would play their starters.

Yea, but the only reason anybody talks about Miami's undefeated season in 1973 is because it continued through the playoffs.

who's saying the pat's wouldn't win in the playoffs? i'm saying they wouldn't rest their starters and take their chances with injuries just like everyone else.

pat's? one singular patriot?

ehh, I will disagree. It's basically saying "a championship not our top priority, the record books are".

nor do I believe you need to play starters for the entirety of a game that means nothing to keep them "fresh" for the playoffs. It sure hasn't been the case for prior super bowl winners! Bummer for the paying fans, sure, but it happens in all sports.

again I'm not saying they WOULD lose in the playoffs, but I'm saying merely going 16-0 in the Regular season isn't impressive at all without the championship to go with it

"It's basically saying "a championship not our top priority, the record books are"."

no, it's saying "we treat every game equally and take nothing for granted".

the way the pats play (at least offensively) is very conducive to not getting hurt. brady rarely gets hit and their wrs rarely take direct hits. unless it was a fluke knee buckle or something...

why would you take your starters out for three straight weeks? that makes no sense at all. in fact, it sounds like a recipe for losing in their first playoff game.

well I've been saying that all year--nobody can lay a hand on Brady due to his o-line. but you can't ever predict injuries. Dan Marino was lost for the season in the early 90s merely hopping while looking for an open receiver against the Browns.

but you can't ever predict injuries.

well then again, why wouldn't you start your starters if that's true?

why would you take your starters out for three straight weeks? that makes no sense at all. in fact, it sounds like a recipe for losing in their first playoff game.

Show me where I said three straight weeks. I said two, and never said sit them for both games, I questioned playing them in both games.

no, it's saying "we treat every game equally and take nothing for granted".

If you've wrapped up home field advantage, there's nothing to take for granted--you already locked it up.

well then again, why wouldn't you start your starters if that's true?

Because the game means nothing but keeping your starters healthy is?

I'm not sure I subscribe to the adage that the moment you clinch home field throughout, you bench everybody, but I don't believe in the polar opposite in continuing to play the starters for 4 quarters.

Plus, you know this year is different--the Pats have agitated many around the league with their supposed "running up the score", and someone may take it personally and commit a cheap shot. So far we haven't seen it and I think most of the players have too much class for that, but you never know.

ugh wtf please don't turn this into every other football board ever

I said two

which would be the last two weeks of the regular season then the first week of the playoffs.

seriously if they said it on espn.com in september you probably don't need to repeat it here with a straight face

Because the game means nothing but keeping your starters healthy is?

i don't think this team thinks ANY game is "worth nothing".

except maybe the two they play against the dolphins. zing!

see BJO, that is how we discuss things here. fuck you and your paper bag hat

need miracle drive here, eat clock +7 pts

bnw otm. omg omg omg.

hey, if the players were all machines, I'd be all for that. and if there's one coach who will do it, it will be Belichick this year. but I wouldn't do it--not that it matters since I'm not a coach, but hey...back to the game

lol bnw's post just made me discover this hilarious latino-christian alternative band from indiana

http://myspace.com/miracledrive

I think I like "Vivo"

pats are gonna miss assante samuel next year.

fuck's sake, feeley.

http://www.iwokrama.org/newsletter/dec06/images/dec06_harpyeagle_brad.jpg

"gonna miss assante" sounds like it could be a miracle drive lyric

and there's the game. fucking Iggles

what was up w/the last play call by philly, wtf

http://planetwebdesign.com/americacries1agc.jpg

"the last play called by philly" would be another song, this one devoted to Andy "I manage the clock like I manage my kids" Reid's entire career as HC. Dude is right up there with Gibbs and Coughlin. I think I like the NFC East so much because it reminds me of the SEC, everybody could be a contender, but year after year they're so tired from killing each other they forget to show up for the championship

WOWO THAT GAME WTF EAGLES WHERE DID THAT COME FROM

At any rate I thank the Eagles organization very much for making Packers-Cowboys seem like it could be very important e.g. an NFC team could actually beat the bastards holy shit

feely played the game of his life bookened by two awful ints - were it not for those holy shit

i mean the pats only won this game cause they won turnovers

I honestly think they won just because the iggles didn't have as good an answer for WW as they had in Lito Sheppard vs. Moss

yah that too ww came up huuuuge

this game is going to be getting heavy replay in the film rooms belonging to teams whose HC's names end in "-lin"

it tells you everything you need to know about how to bring a working D to the pats; they basically dared belichick to beat them with the run, but didn't cover the short inside routes that welker runs close enough. he had like three tacklers on him every time he got the ball, but they were all like five yards too late

i mean the pats only won this game cause they won turnovers

i dunno, given that my other team is Redskins, half the season it's been "they only lost this game because of [insert stupid mistake here]"..

i mean the pats only won this game cause they won turnovers

yeah, luckily defense isn't a major part of the game.

yah yah im just sayin two awful passes amid a bunch of great ones - pats played bad

but whatever bullet dodged - i doubt teams will have much success replicating this game - just one of those things

pats played terribly on defense, didn't play their best on offense (but wtf, still scored 31 on an off night) and still came out on top.

they are truly the worst undefeated team in the league right now.

wher are the "lol at Eli" posts?????????

lol eli lookin bummy

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Sean Taylor shot and critically wounded at home during possible robbery:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3127928

not just shot...shot in the groin!

(which as a fellow skins and simpsons fan noted is not nearly as funny as being hit in the groin w/ a football)

oh hey, shoulda seen this before posting my other dealie. tom plz to delete that, thank you.

Who else mods this board specifically besides omear?

the schef

sean t "clinging to life"

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/

this is obviously really awful. it seems like he might have been at home because someone had been trying to break into his house a lot last week. hopefully this has nothing to do with the stuff he was involved in last year. i mean i hope if he or his house was being targeted it was because people wanted his jewelry or his cars or his money not his life or that of his girlfriend or child. this happened about 5 minutes from my house. very scary. really hope dude pulls through.

sad, scary

guy who writes for the miami herald says his playing career is possibly over due to damage to brain from blood loss and lack of oxygen.

yeah. i actually recall in high school that one of the maintenance guys died when sawing some lumber w/ a table saw. a small piece of wood apparently hit him in the leg and w/o even breaking the skin, severed the femoral artery and the guy died pretty quickly.

from the sound of things w/ sean taylor, i would be very surprised if he plays again if he even survives. this is very sad.

I'd just be worried about his survival at this point