the cowboys' bigger is bigger than your bigger: NFL week three

KC @ ATL - Falcons
OAK @ BUF - Bills Bills Bills Bills Bills
TB @ CHI - Tampa Bay
CAR @ MIN - Panthers; the Vikings need a real qb
MIA @ NE - Pats
CIN @ NYG - Giants
HOU @ TEN - Titans
ARI @ WAS - Cardinals
NO @ DEN - Denver
DET @ SF - I am pulling for the Lions' first win of the season
STL @ SEA - Seahawks; glad I don't have to watch this game
CLE @ BAL -fuck Art Modell! Browns
JAC @ IND - Colts, but I don't know
PIT @ PHI - Eagles
DAL @ GB - Dallas; i would be so happy to be wrong, tho
NYJ @ SD - Chargers

i'm guessing you are so excited about the Bills starting 3-0 that you couldn't wait to make the week 3 thread? i can't blame you for that.

KC @ ATL - atl
OAK @ BUF - bills
TB @ CHI - CHICAGO
CAR @ MIN - min i guess
MIA @ NE - pats
CIN @ NYG - jints
HOU @ TEN - tits
ARI @ WAS - zona
NO @ DEN - den
DET @ SF - calvin johnson: 187 yds receiving and 3 tds. roy williams: 120 yds receiving and 2 tds. lions lose by 14
STL @ SEA - sea
CLE @ BAL - browns!
JAC @ IND - colts
PIT @ PHI - eagles
DAL @ GB - pack
NYJ @ SD - chargers

by week four all my posts are going to be like that part in Being John Malkovich where it's all "malkovich malkovich malkovich"

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KC @ ATL - ATL
OAK @ BUF - billz
TB @ CHI - bearz
CAR @ MIN - carolina
MIA @ NE - pats
CIN @ NYG - giants
HOU @ TEN - titans
ARI @ WAS - skins
NO @ DEN - denver
DET @ SF - UH.. SF
STL @ SEA - seattle
CLE @ BAL -browns
JAC @ IND - JAX (yeah no way, but what the hell)
PIT @ PHI - pitt
DAL @ GB - PACK
NYJ @ SD - chargers

KC @ ATL - I guess Falcons but really who knows
OAK @ BUF - Bills
TB @ CHI - Hmmm. Chicago?
CAR @ MIN - my boyfriend is going to be angry with me but Carolina
MIA @ NE - HAHAHAHAHAHA no seriously now
CIN @ NYG - Giants
HOU @ TEN - Titans
ARI @ WAS - Cardinals
NO @ DEN - Denver
DET @ SF - SF
STL @ SEA - D: horror. Seattle, since someone has to win
CLE @ BAL - Browns but I'm not really certain tbh
JAC @ IND - Colts
PIT @ PHI - Eagles
DAL @ GB - GB
NYJ @ SD - Chargers unless they figure out yet another wonderful way to fuck things up

KC @ ATL - KC steals their first win in a suckfest.
OAK @ BUF - Bills
TB @ CHI - Chicago. D will make the Bucs look bad and old.
CAR @ MIN - Panthers. Not picking MIN until Tavaris is on the streets.
MIA @ NE - Pats
CIN @ NYG - Giants
HOU @ TEN - Titans
ARI @ WAS - Cardinals
NO @ DEN - Denver
DET @ SF - Niners
STL @ SEA - 'Hawks in a moribund affair.
CLE @ BAL - No idea, I'll say BAL.
JAC @ IND - Colts
PIT @ PHI - Eagles
DAL @ GB - GB. Pack defense at home should be enough to steal a win.
NYJ @ SD - Chargers

y'all gotta step back on the the-negro-qb-is-to-blame situation considering that mn has got some suckass receivers who drop every ball thrown their direction and the fact that quite frankly they'd be better off being coached by craig t. nelson. i've seen quite a lot of the vikings the last two years and he does not look as absolutely awful as any of you are making him sound like he is. i'd go so far to say that he is positively average and in fact better than quite a few qbs who are not getting this level of shitstorm thrown at them every single week for their lack of ability/realness/whatever.

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actually that is a good point and i don't really know the Vikings well enough to pile on Jackson. in the highlights i saw from the Colts game i did see some big drops.

KC @ ATL - Falcons by infinity
OAK @ BUF - Bills Bills Bills Bills Bills
TB @ CHI - Chicago
CAR @ MIN - Panthers are 2-0 and now they get Smith back
MIA @ NE - Pats
CIN @ NYG - Giants
HOU @ TEN - Titans
ARI @ WAS - Washington
NO @ DEN - Denver
DET @ SF - Detroit
STL @ SEA - Seahawks; glad I don't have to watch this game
CLE @ BAL - In a toss-up, I'll go with brownie
JAC @ IND - Colts
PIT @ PHI - Eagles
DAL @ GB - Green Bay
NYJ @ SD - Chargers

it just seems to be a popular meme, mainly because minnesota is a very racist place and they hate black qbs despite having ALL of them, ever, except basically donovan and vick (vick probably only because he went to jail before he could get sent to mpls for no reason), go through minnesota. the press there starts it and it permeates everywhere because ppl aren't actually going to watch a vikings game, i mean seriously lol.

except for me because i keep being made to watch them >:[

i guess it is fair because of the whole "everyone i know has to watch giants games with me" thing that i do but the thing is that the giants are a good team.

I really don't like watching games in domes.

i dunno, i think Tavaris is the bum he's made out to be, but i agree that the receivers were the problem against the Colts. Vikes were unlucky to lose both games they played so far. they have a lot of the pieces there - with a QB and a WR they'd be a superbowl favorite.

minnesota is a very racist place and they hate black qbs despite having ALL of them

i never knew this; that is a terrible irony

seriously they even seemed to dislike warren moon. who dislikes warren moon?? it annoys the vikings fans i know who feel that several decent to very good qbs have been basically run out of town.

i dunno, i think Tavaris is the bum he's made out to be

Tavaris Jackson throwing to Visanthe Shiancoe = two helpings of suck

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Fuck you I love cornbread

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KC @ ATL - Falcons
OAK @ BUF - Bills
TB @ CHI - Bears
CAR @ MIN - Vikings
MIA @ NE - Pats
CIN @ NYG - Giants
HOU @ TEN - Titans
ARI @ WAS - Cards
NO @ DEN - Denver
DET @ SF - Niners
STL @ SEA - Seahawks
CLE @ BAL - Ravens.
JAC @ IND - Jags
PIT @ PHI - Eagles
DAL @ GB - Cowboys
NYJ @ SD - Jets

I know Tavaris was better than this last year, and there's a very good chance that he'll be a better QB than this sometime this year, but through two weeks of the season he is not a good QB.

What QBs deserve criticism more than Tavaris and aren't hearing it? How many of them are playing for a team with Super Bowl-level talent?

there are certainly qbs getting more criticism than tavaris. vince young, for example.

Pretty much any qb whoever put on a Bears uniform other than Sid Luckman deserves a shitload of criticism.

Also, Matt Leinart seems on his way to fucking up a very good NFL gig.

someone explain to me what happened with Leinart. i never watch the Cardinals.

Either do I, but it looks like he coughed his job up to Kurt Warner, primarily due to not giving a shit.

Not picking MIN until Tavaris is on the streets.

ok excuse me for pointing this out but this is a very different statement than 'tavaris is improving but not quickly enough'. sorry i 'misunderstood' your statement.

and are you really serious re qbs? the majority of qbs at jackson's skill level or below are pretty eh'd by the media outside of their hometown rags.

and are you seriously calling non-running-back members of the minnesota vikings offense "super bowl-level talent"? because pointing out that his defense is good ergo he should shoulder the weight of the offensive failure is a little like blaming the clintons for obama's recent poll dips, so i gotta assume you think that their cadre of apparently handless "receivers" are quality, which would be crazy.

xpost lol poor vince young. btw omar pointing out that vince young is getting more criticism than tavaris actually doesn't really damage my point...??? hahaha no one is covering every second of leinart's mental breakdown!!

ps omar i know that you were helping my point btw i am just in spelling shit out mode

leinart is just kerry collins/ryan leaf type figure. you know. an alcoholic.

leinart is the second coming of cade mcnown imo

seriously they even seemed to dislike warren moon. who dislikes warren moon?? it annoys the vikings fans i know who feel that several decent to very good qbs have been basically run out of town.

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idk moon always kinda seemed like an a-hole to me, tho i do admire his brazen love for white women

anyway i am not a vikes fan and yeah their receivers and coach are horrible but i've seen ~*BOTH*~ vikings games this year and TJ seriously blows humongous bungholes. 'absolutely average' my dikdik, that would be a huge step forward for dude

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lol @ taking my throwaway one-liner on why I'm not picking MIN and reading way too much into it.

As a QB with no particular track record on an 0-2 team, Tarvaris (I had no idea there was an extra 'R' in there) is going to take his share of shit. I don't really see the problem with this. If they start winning games he'll become a "game manager." QBing in the NFL is totally feast or famine right now to the point where going 15-25 for 150-something yards and no picks is actually considered praiseworthy. I agree with you in one sense--ALL the guys who put up that line should be getting some criticism sent their way. Cassel was lousy on Sunday but that's not a story you'll read very much.

that said, it was pretty awful when the fans booed the bejeezus outta t-jax, and i have no problem believing that minnesota fans are all racialist dbags

minnesota is the most racist place? worse than philly? i find that extremely hard to believe.

Hope T-Jack doesn't go home and try to kill himself with chicken wings.

KC @ ATL - ATL
OAK @ BUF - BUF!
TB @ CHI - CHI
CAR @ MIN - CAR
MIA @ NE - NE
CIN @ NYG - NYG
HOU @ TEN - TEN
ARI @ WAS - ARI
NO @ DEN - DEN
DET @ SF - we all lose
STL @ SEA - SEA
CLE @ BAL - BAL
JAC @ IND - IND
PIT @ PHI - PHI (!!!!!!!!!!)
DAL @ GB - GB
NYJ @ SD - SD

http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=2H_Md-gyg7c

THE JUSTIN TUCK HE-MAN CLIP IS LIVE!

philly is very racist too, i mean 'most racist' really depends on the time & day. for example arizona is so racist they didn't even have mlk day for years.

Philly isn't racist. Take it back. :( :( :(

Take it over here, boys.

my dad is from philly!

People disliked Warren Moon because of the whole wife-beating thing.

It's much fairer to say that the Vikings' owners are racist than it is to say that Minnesota en masse is racist.

(not that there aren't some full-on head-melting racists there; I went to high school with a bunch of them)

mainly i am talking about the mn press.

wow...that thread's good times.

oh, arizona. frogot about that one. y'know virginny makes mlk share his holiday w/ r.e. lee and stonewall jackson? what the fuck?

civil rights leader and two traitors. thanks, dudes.

by week four all my posts are going to be like that part in Being John Malkovich where it's all "malkovich malkovich malkovich"

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im gonna say right here that the OMG SHOCKING NEWS of week 3 will be the pats being seriously challenged (if not beat!) by the dolphins. the dolphins historically have played the patriots well in NE and the cassell incarnation of them is much closer to the jets that the dolphins nearly beat than the cardinals that they got torched by last week. im talking something like 16-13.

btw i hate parcells and sporano and am not a homer and in fact want the dolphins to go 0-16

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http://buffaloremix.ytmnd.com/

okay yeah, I can get behind MN press being douchebags re: the Vikings

when I went to the skins/jags pre-caesar where I got to sit 30 feet from adam schefter himself, all the redskins fans were drooling for Colt Brennan. Nobody gets booed like a black quarterback.

Oh wait, this is the one I meant:

http://buffalo-buffalo.ytmnd.com/

so many good games this week but

NO @ DEN

will be the best one

I would have yelled at the schef but I was dead sober going in plus beer at fedex is $8. I was not prepared.

the thing with jackson is that they are still handcuffing him, and if the coaching staff doesn't show outward confidence in their QB than there is no way that their fanbase will

i will say, there is a long history of fickle fandom re: qb's in dc. i mean, anecdotally, i've heard about the sonny/kilmer flipflops, but when i was a kid, i remember pulling for bob holly and babe laufenberg over theisman and two short years later calling for jay schroeder's head in the throes of doug "pockets" williams-mania; gus over heath, trent green over gus; running brad johnson out of town...

really, gibbs winning the super bowl w/ three different qbs was a curse.

can we get back to the important thing which is that justin tuck should be ilnfl favorite player in perpetuity? by the power of grayskull!

also lol @ Buffalo buffalo Buffalo

I don't know if Minnesota is a racist bunghole of a town or not, but I do think the criticism of Jackson has been fair. So far his career trajectory has been similar to Kyle Boller's, both of them cannon armed quarterbacks with a middling passing percentages drafted purely on potential. Those of type of players almost never pan out in the NFL.

Redskins’ fans are rooting for Colt Brennen? Weak armed system quarterbacks almost never make in the NFL either. I think Jason Campbell is going to be fine.

I would like to see FO do some research on QBs' starting performance relative to their predecessors' performance plus seasons-of-bench-warming experience under said predecessor. Barnwell had a line about Rodgers vs. Smith in re: class of 2005 explaining why he thought Rodgers would have been just as much of a bust had he gotten stuck in Smith's position.

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KC @ ATL - ATL (waht)
OAK @ BUF - BUF!
TB @ CHI - TB (!) <--asscrack
CAR @ MIN - MIN
MIA @ NE - NE (no controversy)
CIN @ NYG - lolgigantess
HOU @ TEN - Hou, coach confoosed as to use collins or teh black man.
ARI @ WAS - ARI
NO @ DEN - NO
DET @ SF - we all lose (SF)
STL @ SEA - SEA (rams may be shut out)
CLE @ BAL - CLE (controversy)
JAC @ IND - IND (unconvincingly again)
PIT @ PHI - PIT (no homo)
DAL @ GB - GB
NYJ @ SD - SD (favre 2 td in 2nd half after 0 TD/1 INT first half and a 32-10 SD Lead)

Barnwell had a line about Rodgers vs. Smith in re: class of 2005 explaining why he thought Rodgers would have been just as much of a bust had he gotten stuck in Smith's position.

I basically agree with this, except Trent Edwards.

But yeah the Brady rule. cf. Favre, Brett.

I really don't understand why teams still try to draft their way to ghreatness at the QB position. And it's always bad teams. Chicken or egg?

Are there any examples out there I'm forgetting of rookie quarterbacks just coming in and lighting it up from Day One? Marino?

how about rofflesburger? daunte culpepper?

you mean absolute rookies or guys who caddy a couple years before getting the starting gig?

absolute rookies

"get me a Cade McNown type"

But Roffles was lucky enough to land on a team with playoff level talent. Most first round quarterbacks go to shit teams by definition. Then they are thrown into the mix much too early, only to get their brains smashed out through their ear holes... hello, David Carr. This is probably why a lot of spread quarterbacks wash out in the NFL; they're never given enough time to learn the pro game.

Peyton Manning, i guess. he broke a bunch of rookie records, right?

Roffles also had two (2) HB's that he could ride all day so...

Gus Frerotte is Minnesota's option, which is to say not much of one. I'd probably be sticking with Tavaris Jackson. It's QB, it isn't like you can make a deal at this point to get someone else unless you are getting really desperate and calling old man Vinny.

Troy Aikman got the crap kicked out of him starting of the Cowboys as a rookie, but that team went like 1-15.

JAMARCUS RUSSELL

WAIT UNTIL HE'S PLAYED A FULL SEASON &c

I hear Jeff George is available.

Police said Marinovich, 38, ran from officers who tried to stop him about 1:15 a.m. Sunday for skateboarding near the Newport Pier boardwalk, where skateboarding is prohibited.

He was found hiding in a carport about 1:30 a.m., police Sgt. Evan Sailor said. After searching Marinovich, police found about one gram of methamphetamine, a metal spoon and a hypodermic needle, Sailor said.

in other news, Bubby Brister received a summons from his apartment complex owner for playing his music "too loud"

There's some talk around about the Vikings making a play for Jeff Garcia, but I can't imagine that happening. The Bucs would be nuts to make the move to Griese permanent.

The Bucs would be nuts to make the move to Griese permanent.

Yeah, but Chucky and Garcia hate each other.

Well the T-Jax debate will not be resolved this season: Frerotte named starter for rest of year.

Deserved recent Tarvaris hating aside, this really sucks and is all about a coach trying to not get fired.

effects:

1. replaces a chump with a chump, nothing gained
2. lets receivers off the hook when spotlight should be on them this week
3. trashes a whole pre-season of work on offense
4. completely undermines the good things about two unlucky defeats
5. damages team morale by underscoring that they are being coached by a cretin

ugh. firing up the gus bus is a BAD move.

...seriously though, exhibit a of the improper value of having starter experience=gus
frerotte.

What a weird, sad move.

Jamarcus has the crap receivers excuse ten times over Tavaris. i'm white btw.

ten times is a helluva exaggeration. when you get down into the morass, you're just talking about different shades of below average. and those Vikes receivers played waaaay below average.

damn what the fuck they screwed the shit out of tavaris

It's a panic move 2 weeks into the season. I would have given it a little more time. The guy above who said they are making a waste of their pre-season is OTM, but I think Frerotte would have gotten some extra reps during camp due to the starter being suspect.

What good does it do to declare Gus as the starter for the remainder of the season?

The Vikings are actively trying to make me hate them, aren't they

gus frerotte

:-0

lol

pls send tavaris to the lolrams.

the erotic frerotte

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/nfcnorth/0-4-118/Jackson-s-failure-shakes-Childress.html

I learned a few things I didn't know.

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can someone embed this plz

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KC @ ATL - Falcons by default
OAK @ BUF - Bills Bills Bills Bills Bills
TB @ CHI - interesting fixture, will be revealing, I think. going with the Bears
CAR @ MIN - would've said MIN but honestly, fuck knows now. Carolina
MIA @ NE - if the Pats lose this game ESPN will be unreadble for the whole week. pray with me, folks
CIN @ NYG - Giants have the power
HOU @ TEN - Titans. Houston remains a mystery, which missing week two didn't help
ARI @ WAS - 'Skins. two wildly varying performances so far but guess maybe they learned a few things from week one.
NO @ DEN - Denver lookin' tasty.
DET @ SF - great game. lots to be excited about. 49ers ftw
STL @ SEA - NFC West is where football goes to die. who cares? Seattle i guess
CLE @ BAL - Ravens D
JAC @ IND - Colts get great opportuinity to right the ship vs oddly impotent Jax side
PIT @ PHI - this smells more like football. Eagles
DAL @ GB - think maybe Rodgers' wake up call in the 2nd half might've done him good. i'm going Wisconsin
NYJ @ SD - Chargers butcher Jets, get season back on track

would've said MIN but honestly, fuck knows now

But isn't the notion that Frerotte opens up the playbook and gives MIN a Better Chance To Win Right Now?

you know the thing about the buffalo buffalo buffalo sentence is that you can almost do it with bills too, if you assume that the bills team has two gentlemen named bills, one of whom owes the other money

But isn't the notion that Frerotte opens up the playbook and gives MIN a Better Chance To Win Right Now?

Yeah, I heard that same thing this morning. Why the shit would MN open up the playbook for proven veteran / dead end Frerotte and not TJ? Is Childress trying to stack the deck against TJ?

This is a classic example of "inept douchebag attempts blatant CYA move"

What playbook do they even have to open up? Their concept of a big-play threat was paying Bernard Berrian to run fast in a straight line once in a while.

I Love NFL is the only board on ILX worth reading anymore.

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KC @ ATL - yr atlanta falcons
OAK @ BUF - bills
TB @ CHI - bears
CAR @ MIN - pants
MIA @ NE - pats
CIN @ NYG - gints
HOU @ TEN - tits
ARI @ WAS - skins
NO @ DEN - broncs
DET @ SF - niners
STL @ SEA - squawks
CLE @ BAL - ravens
JAC @ IND - colts
PIT @ PHI - eagles
DAL @ GB - pack
NYJ @ SD - chargers

KC @ ATL - I'll take Atlanta. "You play to win the game." Oh how far the hyped have fallen.
OAK @ BUF - Bills seem pretty solid. Oakland seems a bit more like a sitcom version of a football team like "1st and Ten" than usual. It would be funny if they were having to go to games in a big black and silver bus and they had some old grizzelled guy with a big stoagie driving them around.
TB @ CHI - I want the Bears to win. Chucky needs to get checked for putting Griese in charge of the store.
CAR @ MIN - I'm going Panthers. Minnesota's coach mumbledy mumble is already playing the C.Y.A. move in week three as his ass is grass if they don't win this year.
MIA @ NE - Logic says Patriots, but I could see Miami pulling an upset.
CIN @ NYG - Giants are rolling and the Bungles are back. NYG have a pretty sweet early schedule.
HOU @ TEN - Houston seemed like they had a bit of everything last year now they seem like they have a bit of nothing. I'm going Titans. Even at his age, Kerry Collins is a pretty decent back up QB at this point.
ARI @ WAS - This is a pretty interesting match up, I'll go Washington at home.
NO @ DEN - I'm going Broncos as I think they are going to win the AFC West. NO is interesting and this could be a fun game to watch.
DET @ SF - Detroit is on the road, so 49ers it is.
STL @ SEA - Seahawks look pretty cruddy, but the RAMS look terrible. Seattle at home.
CLE @ BAL - I think this is a game Cleveland has to win. I'm going Browns. It will be interesting to see how Flacco does.
JAC @ IND - Colts. This game, especially in Indy is usually a pretty brutal game. Two years ago, I swear it was one of the more nasty games I have seen, there was injuries all over the place for both clubs. Fred Taylor usually has a big game against the Colts, but I think Peyton will get a couple of bombs on target.
PIT @ PHI - Good and interesting matchup, I feel Eagles in a squeaker.
DAL @ GB - Another interesting rematch from last year, I want to take the Pack, but I think Dallas wins it.
NYJ @ SD - Boy this game is a lot more interesting than usual, but I think SD is the better club.

KC @ ATL - Atlanta going over .500 this year? signs point to no, but I would assume they can get to .666 for week 3
OAK @ BUF - Buffalo looking real
TB @ CHI - Chicago looking realer; I like Forte A LOT
CAR @ MIN - Panthers; Minnesota fans may begin loud lamenting
MIA @ NE - Patriots, but closer than it should be!
CIN @ NYG - I've never seen the Giants look this good, but they still lack some killer instinct. I've never seen the Bengals look this bad.
HOU @ TEN - Titans surprisingly average offense getting the job done; a 3-0 start doesn't guarantee playoffs, but it sure is putting them in the right direction
ARI @ WAS - Arizona seems geared to ring up some crazy scores, Washington does not
NO @ DEN - What a good looking game! I'm going with Denver, but I can't say either way would surprise me.
DET @ SF - I really really don't like the niners so Detroit out of spite
STL @ SEA - St. Louis is the worst team in the league by far right now
CLE @ BAL - Cleveland or bust
JAC @ IND - Colts gettin' healthier
PIT @ PHI - I like Pittsburgh to go deep in the playoffs and slow down McNabb a bit in this one
DAL @ GB - Dallas, but under duress
NYJ @ SD - Chargers HAVE to win this, right? I mean, right?

Also, this rookie class is bazonkers so far.

I Love NFL is the only board on ILX worth reading anymore.

This is true every year.

Why the shit would MN open up the playbook for proven veteran / dead end Frerotte and not TJ?

b/c some of those reads are hard at game speed. f'realz. e.g. Shanahan's still protecting Cutler in his play-calls (this is not a bad thing, it just takes an actual month of Sundays before a QB can really start to parse the game.

That said, Trent Edwards has a green light for audibles; TJ did not. Read into that what you will.

Also LOL the Berrian play tru dat.

KC @ ATL - KC might be as miserable as the Dolphins were last year. Falcons.
OAK @ BUF - Buffalo is breathing down the Pats' necks. Bills.
TB @ CHI - A can't get a read on the NFC South since everyone looks like a .500 team, in other words pretty mediocre. Chi-town.
CAR @ MIN - You have put your faith in Gus Freotte. The Suicide Booths are now ready. Panthers.
MIA @ NE - How many weeks before Matt Cassel's mediocrity starts to sink the offense? It won't start this week though. Patsies.
CIN @ NYG - We always knew the defense was a sinkhole of suck, but now the offense is starting to slide. Giants.
HOU @ TEN - Kerry Collins to the rescue! Titans.
ARI @ WAS - Arizona is going to win the NFC West. Cards.
NO @ DEN - Broncs.
DET @ SF - Niners.
STL @ SEA - Both teams are disasters, but St. Louis is like Europe after the Black Death. Hawks.
CLE @ BAL - I really dislike the Ravens so Browns.
JAC @ IND - David Garrard has already thrown more interceptions than he did all last year. Indie.
PIT @ PHI - The Game of the Week. Pitt.
DAL @ GB - I so hope that Dallas tanks on this one. Packers.
NYJ @ SD - The reality of the Farve trade starts to set in and people realize that the Jets are at best an 8-8 team. Bolts.

So Childress really thinks a quarterback that once injured himself by intentionally ramming his head into a cement wall give the team the tools it needs to win now?

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KC @ ATL - are you fucking kidding
OAK @ BUF - are you fucking kidding
TB @ CHI - Home
CAR @ MIN - Home
MIA @ NE - are you fucking kidding
CIN @ NYG - are you fucking kidding
HOU @ TEN - are you fucking kidding
ARI @ WAS - are you fucking kidding
NO @ DEN - EENIE MEENIE MINIE MOE, BREES A CUTLER BY HIS TOE. Home.
DET @ SF - GARBAGE TIME! Home.
STL @ SEA - are you fucking kidding
CLE @ BAL - are you fucking kidding
JAC @ IND - peyton manning always finds a way to win! with his new non-drunk non-idiot kicker! Wires by 2.
PIT @ PHI - uhhhhh NFC uhhhhh EAST? uhhh
DAL @ GB - AARON SKYWALKER
NYJ @ SD - never bet against a trend. #4. Sorry.

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KC @ ATL - Atlanta. Somehow I think Thigpen will inspire a "Bring Back Grbac" campaign in KC.
OAK @ BUF - Despite hating them, I don't see how Buffalo loses this one. Hopefully my picking them jinxes them and they are excommunicated from the league.
TB @ CHI - Going with Chicago just cuz it's their home field.
CAR @ MIN - Carolina. Gus Frerotte will routinely overthrow his receivers on any routes run greater than 8 yards downfield, as he always does.
MIA @ NE - Pats. Even though I'm a diehard Fin fan, maybe picking against them for once will work out in my favor.
CIN @ NYG - Giants. Don't feel bad, Cincy, you weren't a good team long enough for the "Bungles" era to be a distant memory. Embrace familiarity.
HOU @ TEN - Houston. Somehow I don't think Kerry Collins has as much left in the tank as he showed last week.
ARI @ WAS - Arizona gashes Washington's usually stout defense
NO @ DEN - Denver. The stars may just be aligned this year.
DET @ SF - San Fran. If Gore gets going, game over.
STL @ SEA - Seattle. A team that is better (albeit maybe not much) than their record indicates against a team who has lost two games by an average score of 40-8.
CLE @ BAL - The output on the field will resemble someone with Down's syndrome playing Madden, but Baltimore in a probably touchdown less bore. Cleveland is going nowhere this year.
JAC @ IND - Indianapolis's offense wakes up for the first time.
PIT @ PHI - Philadelphia. Iggles showed a lot of fight against Dallas in the Keystone Kops Bowl.
DAL @ GB - Dallas. Somehow I don't think it's Rodger's time to win this one. But soon, it will be.
NYJ @ SD - San Diego is too good to go 0-3, and the Jets are hideously overrated.

KC @ ATL - Atl
OAK @ BUF - Buf
TB @ CHI - Chi
CAR @ MIN - Min
MIA @ NE - NE
CIN @ NYG - NY
HOU @ TEN - Tenn
ARI @ WAS - Wash
NO @ DEN - Den
DET @ SF - SF
STL @ SEA - Sea
CLE @ BAL - CLE (pulled-straight-out-of-my-ass pick of the week)
JAC @ IND - IND (coinflip)
PIT @ PHI - Pitt
DAL @ GB - Dal
NYJ @ SD - SD

whats gonna be on the teevee

For me, it's HOU @ TEN, then JAX @ IND and NO @ DEN. In other words, Ryder Cup.

Hmm, the Raiders look like they're a lot better than Buffalo.

T. Thigpen, KC, 1 of 8 for -1 yards

Miami is beating up on New England so far.

Ronnie Brown, THREE TDs. and two of them came on the SAME trick play.

Boos at halftime.

fuckin Chiefs

ronnie brown waht

this whole game waht!

RONNIE BROWN HAS BETTER ARM THAT PENNINGTOWN

Ronnie Brown has just locked up player of the week.

Four rushing TDs and a passing. Whoever has him on their fantasy team has already won.

terrible roughing the QB call . I hate these officials. he had the ball in his hand. so tackling the QB is now roughing the passer? fucking Mexicans.

Solomon and Ian are terribly biased. Praising Matt Cassel for managing the game, the fucker has been horribly inaccurate with wide open receivers much of the game. Yes, the defense of his team is at fault, but he hasn't done shit.

Fuck "game management". Completing a pass is making a play, not managing a game. They said Chad was "managing the game", was it merely 'managing it' when he escaped a sack and threw a first down on the run that kept a touchdown drive alive?

Looks like this is weird week in the NFL. Go Fins!!!

Game over. This "winning" feels a bit alien to me. I'm not sure what I'm supposed to do.

run up the score on 'em

This Raiders team is so damned interesting.

The Raiders are interesting. They could do OK if Crazy Al doesn't screw it up. Arizona is letting me down again.

Cincy winning against the Giants at the Meadowlands...

Lot of road teams playing well this week.

Giants take the lead! Bills with a late TD. Tampa Bay driving... fun fun fun.

whoa at ny/cin

And the Bills win! What a game.

lol hs must be flippin out

run up the score on 'em

Haha that's what I was chanting but Sparano is "classy" apparently.

mcnabb's 13 for 13!

im gonna say right here that the OMG SHOCKING NEWS of week 3 will be the pats being seriously challenged (if not beat!) by the dolphins. the dolphins historically have played the patriots well in NE and the cassell incarnation of them is much closer to the jets that the dolphins nearly beat than the cardinals that they got torched by last week. im talking something like 16-13.

― ilx: a miracle i helped create (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 16 September 2008 21:20 (5 days ago)

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lol hs must be flippin out

― Mohammed Butt (max), Sunday, September 21, 2008 3:13 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM!

also, J0rdan S., I thought of you when i saw the lol Miami score.

haha XD though i have to admit i didn't see 5 ronnie brown touchdowns

also lol did the dolphins secretly hire a fat, italian houston nutt?

lmbo @ this week

i just picked up ronnie brown in my fantasy league because some other sucker dropped him a couple days ago.

with good reason admittedly

WAOW GUYZ

WHATTA SUNDAY AND IT'S ONLY NOT EVEN 6 PM EST
THAKN YOU FOOTAABLA GOAWDZ

MIA @ NE - if the Pats lose this game ESPN will be unreadble for the whole week. pray with me, folks

― I'm reading Shakespeare at my place downtown (Roberto Spiralli), Thursday, September 18, 2008 8:45 AM

Dolphin Attack!

Didn't see the Dolphins coming, did you? The AFC East bottom-feeders feasted on the powerful Patriots in Foxborough, taking a 38-13 bite out of New England. Story | Watch: Porter's ruckus | NFL Nation

The craziest thing about this Bills team is they seem capable of actually moving the ball through the air. Even the Bledsoe Bills couldn't really do that. They faked it by having Drew chuck it up for Evans deep.

randy moss is gonna have the worst season of his career

i can't believe i took him and brady 1-2 in the draft

roger! yeah, as long as Edwards has protection, which he did in the 4th quarter, the Bills can pass.

but my heart belongs to BEAST MODE.

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but my heart belongs to BEAST MODE

No doubt.

And now with highlights:

i picked a bad week to go on vacation and not watch football :-(

roffles meet flying b. dawkins

i hate u, flying dawkins

JAC @ IND - ... Wires by 2.

OHHHHHHHH SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT

^^ props

The Iggles defense was tight today, plus anytime a drive would get going Kemoeatu would hold. Ugh!!

end of roffles rip

guys remember when marshawn hijacked the injury cart

remember when marshawn couldn't remember what he liked better about Applebee's, the ambience or the decor?:

there's already a thread with all this marshawn clips in it on ilnfl lol

BEAST MODE in HD= New Era

i do like this johnnie lee higgins character though...

how did I not know that marshawn lynch was the NFL's own Borat

"see, now it's in context."

there's already a thread with all this marshawn clips in it on ilnfl lol

How did I miss this?

Bad day to be a QB. Also, GB's play calling in the red zone seems... uninspired.

holy fucking shit why did I not watch football today, argh

michaels and madden just chortlingly congratulated don rickles on his first Emmy. lol @ old dudes.

Man, I'm so happy Philadelphia pulled a victory out of today's shitty game. And I really hope that Westbrook is okay.

Dear Cowboys, Cowboys Fans, et al.:

I am doing this as hard as I can.
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PS:
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Oh - you may want to be informed of the following, which has just come to my attention -

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In summary,

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Dallas is pretty scary.

Dallas is a town full of sad little girly men who are gonna eat shit in the first round of the playoffs just like they have been doin

just sayin

btw fuck the cowboys I hope their plane crashes

just so you all know I'm not really a sociopath, I didn't truly mean that last bit

haha no actually I am a sociopath

when it comes to the cowboys and/or henry paulson

tony romo is a quarterback hero for a post 9/11 america.

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i <3 deion sanders. in discussing the cowboys on gameday, he just said, "this is my time to hate." he still has ?s about romo + the secondary.

aw, deion txted maurice jones-drew before the jacksonville game!

i am livebloggin nfl gameday final

wait, why does eisen pronounce "flacco" that way? is it supposed to be a Baltimore accent?

Jay Cutler is wearing a Brillo pad as a jacket in his postgame interview. that is an unattractive man.

a bold choice

awwwww, Bruce Smith still looks good:

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i like how football player suits are like bizarro big.

i think bruce smith's jacket is taller than i am.

i would like to say:

Dallas is a town full of sad little girly men who are gonna eat shit in the first round of the playoffs just like they have been doin

^^^^

Bruce Smith looks like Seal (minus the scarring).

things i love about deion sanders, #2544: his persistent usage of 'atrocious' when referring to the play of various teams

So was that the actual worst day of NFL quarterbacking ever? Or am I just saying that because I had to watch Cassel and because Matt Schaub came up with some negative fantasy points?

Ronnie Brown was pretty awesome on that roll out.

guys, what the hell happened yesterday?

MAGIC!

gotta see if nfl network is replaying indy game.. hey I picked jax to win too, but pretty much because i always pick the teams i like to win

schef, btw i think this was too long to text, but i was watching nfl network a week or so ago & all those dudes are in nice suits of course, then they bring out some guy in a hideous brown zip up sweatshirt thing and like lee jeans to diagram a play, & i'm wondering WTF is he on the air dressed like that, turns around and it is ELI

lol! this is unsurprising news.

"unsurprising eli news" should be a rolling thread

to accompany "unsurprising romo news"

gus did his job well : )

best moment of yesterday was when dawkins flying sacked rofflesberger, complete w strip & recovery. second best moment was when ben got sand in his vagina"hand injured" and stomped off the field -- i mean wau your o-line totally sucked but wtf!
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u have won teh award, benjamin rofflesberger!

that dawkins play was amazing.

whenever he does flying squirrel move, an angel gets its wings

dawkins is so great

re: gus doing his job well

just wait. the gus bus is VERY sensitive to break downs.

http://www.myfoxphilly.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=7465588&version=6&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.2.1

you were bringing signed memorabilia to dallas to...get it signed? okaaaaay insurance fraud dude. u r special! and resemble big ben???

i love that it's like he makes up having all this shit but the hotel is like ok everyone in the world knows that we hold no liability for things that weren't put in the safe lol u suck.

The Dawkins play was awesome. Worst moment of the day: Charles Tillman's retaliation penalty in the endzone.

I'm going to see flying Dawkins in my sleep.

turns out the dolphins QB coach was the offensive coordinator at arkansas last year

guys there have already been eleven thousand interceptions in this chargers-jets game.

that last one was super sweet

jaws says antonio cramardi has incredible ball skills

this game in awsom

wow@ leon washington

lol this game

everyone is playin crazy

possibly the worst of the many awful kornheiser tics is how when anyone makes a pop culture reference no matter how obvious he laughs ostentatiously then says hey nice tv or movie or whatever reference just to make sure everyone knows he got it - ANCHORMAN IS NOT AN OBSCURE MOVIE FUCKFACE

holy shit

this is some arena league type shit

IT'S LIKE THE ACHILLES HEEL OF YOUR FOOT!!!

omg why don't they punch kornheiser

also the ups white board guy punch him

my sister who is not a football fan is just hangin out in the kitchen and she started making fun of kornheiser.

What reference are you talking about, ice craem? Tirico made one that was a ref. to TK's radio show.

that ups guy's mullet is amazing

tirico called san diego "a classy city" xp

maybe this is just my imagination/wishful thinking but favre kind of looks terrified a little, like he knows he should have just bowed out.

hey guys did u know errol morris directs the ups mullet whiteboard commercials?

i wish u hadnt told me that

can that possibly be true?

Oh, I thought he said "CLASSIC" city. They're always going on about how stuff is "EPIC" and "CLAHSSIC" on the radio show.

he does do a lot of commercials xp

These spots were directed by genius documentarian Errol Morris, a frequent dabbler in the world of commercials who's contributed to campaigns for Levis, Citibank, and Nike, among others. The ads exhibit some of the hallmarks of his films: the static camera; the lone subject addressing the lens. Given the continuous-take, single-camera-angle composition these UPS spots all share, it sort of seems like they could have been directed by a tripod. But one assumes Morris was brought in here more for his skill at coaxing compelling performances from nonperformers.

This particular nonperformer—the floppy-haired fellow standing at the whiteboard—is named Andy Azula, and he's actually the creative director on the campaign. Azula conceived of these ads as a refreshing change from typical shipping spots, which show trucks and package handlers and businesspeople meeting deadlines. To give UPS a sense of what he planned, he filmed sample spots with himself as the whiteboard guy and with co-workers from his ad agency behind the camera. He never imagined he'd appear in the final versions, but when UPS tested various other actors (and kept Azula in the mix), focus groups consistently picked him as their favorite. Azula's guess is that while the other actors had more charisma and energy, his low-key, unpolished delivery made him seem less like an annoying pitchman. As an art director who'd made countless storyboards, he also had a knack for fast, fun sketching. (Though a professional illustrator was employed on the set to speed things up by redrawing the whiteboard between takes. "He had to repress his skills to imitate my style," says Azula.)

what a crazy world~~ ¯\(°_o)/¯

he said classy, and then kornheiser started cackling, like by "classy" they meant "trashy" and i'm like dude have you seen your combover, don't judge classy.

also ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww the kneeeeee

oh favre, i could drink a case of this and not be full.

my dvr broke! i cant see shit!! is u-kno-who havin FUN yet

3rd-9, NY Jets 30
B. Favre incomplete pass down the middle

interception, tackled by teammate

ade he gets intercepted every drive just about!

okay maybe i am exaggerating because i h8 him but can i be blamed?

"He had to repress his skills to imitate my style,"

Oh man this line rules

dear announcers,

its not the system

xo

yay!

he's got 291 interceptions career. this is just "what he does".

yeah when will the announcers start criticizing brett? like, how many interceptions will he have to throw? let's find out!

he's apparently been "learning the system" his entire 400 year career amirite

Andy Azula has sold out. While I don't doubt that the he actually drew the sketches in the first dozen or so ads, he no longer does - obviously shown in the ad above. But it gets worse.

The ad in which Azula is sketching a big 18 wheeler with a black guy...he doesn't.

The first time I watched it, I thought it looked weird, so I rewinded it and watched it in slow motion. The black guy's arm flashed red twice. But more importantly, even disappointingly, Azula doesn't appear to be drawing at all. Instead the image is computer generated on a green screen. I would post the video for you, but neither YouTube nor UPS Pressroom: Advertising has that ad available.

Andy Azula is a fraud.

Check it out for yourselves.

fuckin sellout

the other thing that is weird is that dude wears his watch on the wrong hand.

Farve not having fun.

i always assumed that the whiteboard shit was CGI anyway - look how perfect the lines on that fuccn UPS shield are!!!

i would delight in some good old-fashioned running up the score right about now.

im psyched for some sweet favre gunslinger action

BRETT FAVRE LOOKIN SO SHOOK ON THE SIDELINES

brett favre should give leon washington a watch or a car or one of his kids or something

jaws: "you WIN in the lockerroom and philip rivers WON in the lockerroom."

i would delight in a brett farv freakout moment, like he throttles jericho crotchety after a dropped pass

kornheiser just asked permission to criticize farve

"these interceptions are vv uncharacteristic of favre"

it's like somehow they are broadcasting live from an alternate universe

by alternate universe i mean "peter king's bedroom"

saaaackd!

guys i am starting to tear up with joy

by alternate universe i mean "peter king's bedroom"

― the schef (adam schefter ha ha), Tuesday, September 23, 2008 1:57 AM (14 minutes ago)

Thanks for that mental image...

I'm really enjoying this. Seems like the management in Green Bay weren't so stupid after all.

this game abt to get srsly out of control

um why is phillip rivers bleeding exactly?

77-17 Chargers

why has the olive garden turned its back on hospitaliano - this is unacceptable

the announcers keep harping on the mechanics of favre having to memorize the jets' playbook--i feel like they are suggesting that he is senile and his attempts have been unsuccessful.

"favre into double coverage"

i mean, they're the jets -- how complicated can their playbook possibly be, guys?

lol such a good point

remember how testaverde just got off his riding mower, walked into a stadium, and won like 4 games straight?

want my own polarbear gdamnit

i guess brett favre is no vinny testaverde

favres style is intercepted

oh clinton hart how could you drop that?

He had to repress his skills to imitate my style

god, poor lane kiffin

xpost lol tom

'um why is phillip rivers bleeding exactly?'

stigmata

he WON in the lockerroom

ha!

lol so retarded im watching the end of the heroes premiere now - i have no idea whats going on - "we call this guy the german he can control magnetism"

marlo from the wire is on it

not sure what his power is

kornheiser's problem is that he approaches his announcing job like a journalist. his reasoning behind ALWAYS talking about favre is that "no story in the NFL is even approaching favre this year", which is true, but when people are watching a game on TV they can't choose whether or not they want more of the story, as opposed to a newspaper. he really just totally misses the point and his anecdotes r boring~~

plus he says shit like "his toe problem is the achilles heel of his foot"

plus he wants to fuck him.

michael from the wire is on the new 90210 guys. he is nu-Brandon Walsh.

UM

if the jets get back in this game the chargers will have so much to answer for.

if the jets come back and win, do the chargers get fired from the nfl? lolxpost

Bah. I'm rooting for Cotchery getting a big catch. (fantasy game at stake here)

they will have to answer TO ME

XPOST

cromartie is the fuckin bomb. seeing him get shredded by brandon marshall last week was bittersweet

was tony kornheiser just talkin shit about the bills?

PHEW, fun was narrowly averted tonight, everyone!!!

wait guys honestly it's time for the game to be over

it's lame that they're going to close the gap, but they don't have enough time to win.

AWESOME!

okay this is dumb

seriously could the chargers d chill the fuck out.

THIS 2 PT CONVERSION AHS BEEN ON FOR 3 HOURS

WHY DON'T WE ASSUME THE JETS WILL FUCK UP THE REST OF THE GAME LIKE THEY DID THE 2 PT CONVERSION AND WE CAN END IT RIGHT NOW?

that seems a fitting end

Cotchery saves my Fantasy season! Who would've thought it?

Well, my so-far undefeated fantasy season at least.

did favre get hurt??

man poor phil running over for that handshake and getting denied by the favre

xpost he's 73, of course he got hurt

lol no, he just got intercepted in the end zone.

lolxpost

I'm Brett Favre and I approve this message.

P. Rivers 19/25 250 10.0 3 1

rivers is an asshole but he's been on point this year

rivers is an asshole

where did this bullshit asshole meme start aka LINK PLZ (NB: this board thread, while cute & fun, is not proof)

personally, I think the whiny-bitch asshole that held his breath & got himself traded from SD to NY trumps the competitive asshole w/ the goofy face

in conclusion, asshole asshole asshole

PS -- asshole

yeah, i would like to know why rivers is an asshole, too.

I agree with David R.

Also, YAYYYYYYYYYYY

congratulations!

It is a nice feeling that I haven't experienced in quite some time!

If the Chargers don't lock up Sproles long-term I am going to be so mad.

eh idk mostly cuz he's a huge shit talker even though he basically inhabits the trent dilfer role. it's just disconcerting i guess when rivers is off running his mouth even though gates and LT are the silent killer type. it's just very *eye roll* to me. very childish, though i wouldn't call a child an asshole so i guess i used the wrong word

Silent killer types are f'in boring. I want more pizazz!

I mean, Payton was a soft-spoken guy like LT, but nobody ever thought he was soft. Today I watched LT cruise out of bounds instead of staying in and fight for more yards and it made me really mad. That is classic LT. I understand that he's hurt, but Sproles would have picked up 5-10 more yards there for sure because the dude WANTS it.

Re: Rivers

Between the two of them, Eli is still the crybaby/asshole and always will be.

how could he inhabit the Trent Dilfer role when LT hasn't been running the ball well and he's throw 3 tds in three straight games?

between the two of them, one of them has a Super Bowl ring, and both of them may wind up being Pro Bowlers this year.

i see what you're sayin but he's got a bunch of talent around him. as i said in the initial post, he's been v on point this year (fantasy stud fwiw) but it's not like a whole buncha qbs couldn't do what he does

omg why don't they punch kornheiser

I would tune in for three hours of Jaws and Tirico taking turns punching Kornheiser.

...

He had to repress his skills to imitate my style

I was reading the thread in reverse and just assumed this was, like, from the LL/Canibus beef.

...

was tony kornheiser just talkin shit about the bills?

If this report is verified, I up my bid to four full hours of Jaws and Tirico taking turns punching Kornheiser.

lol @ Eli Manning, crybaby.

GUYZ I GOT A QUESTION WHY IS BRETT FAVRE NOT IN THE GAME WITH JUST OVER A MINUTE LEFT AND HIS TEAM DOWN BY 19

SEEMS LIKE ITS PRIME TIME FOR FAVRE TIME IMO

I think it's quittin' time.

The stat about Favre having never led his team back from a 14 point deficit in his entire career was a real eye opener, I thought.

omg FAVRE IS A-ROD

yeah god forbid a player plays where he wants to play, amirite

All I'm saying is if he's Eli Schlobotnik:

1) he's staying in San Diego
2) he wouldn't pull that "trade me NOW plz" shit
3) he probably wouldn't have started in college never mind gone #1 because he wouldn't be ELI MANNING which might make this argument moot but COME ON GIANTS FANS

I'm all for players' rights & shit, but it's not like he was drafted by the Lions or the early 80s Colts -- last I remember, they had Gates & LT and a good defense and some decent WRs (tho maybe RECHE scared him off). If he didn't want to go to SD, then he & his dad & whomever should've negotiated behind the scenes to get that trade done before he ;_; on draft day holding the Chargers jersey like a used tampon. He can lick a million Oreos and beat the Pasties 25 more times with helmet-caught jumpers, but that wah-wah move is still 100 types of garbage. Curt Flood he is not.

Also, I'm pretty sure that a quick polling of Giants fans would show that they were wishing they kept Rivers as late as the midway point of last season (tho I'll probably get bapped on the noggin for claiming that).

didnt he say he wasnt going to play for sd and then the chargers drafted him anyway?

so with that and the shottenheimer (maybe his shit will work in the playoffs!) and un creative uglyman norv turner you have a winning franchise

yeah, clearly quickly and swiftly ended trade negotiations between an unhappy player and two teams where everyone wins (in a day and age where it is really common for players to sit out the entire training over, like, whether or not the toilet paper in the facility is to their liking and thus kind of screw over their whole team they already play for!) is a horrible, douchebaggy situation in which people should still be harping on WHAT AN ASSHOLE that guy was years later.

seriously fuck off, guys. and yes, jimmy mod is right -- he and his handlers were VERY CLEAR before the draft that his was not interested and was not going to play for them, so why don't you actually figure out the situation before you shoot your mouth off, dave? the chargers took a gamble and lost, they thought they could bully a player who was TRYING to negotiate with them into playing for them.

remember back in the '80s when certain very well liked and respected players refused to play in the NFL for years and played for the usfl instead because there was absolutely no leverage given to players back then? those days were the best, we should go back to them.

seriously, i'm sick of half of this board bringing up the eli trade like it's an unusual situation or even anything that was that terrible or like ANY of you are chargers fans or if you were that the chargers got fucked over (cf that ridiculous claim that giants fans wanted rivers "back"--that goes both ways, right? until midway last season, the chargers thought they had won that one!)! jesus christ, guys.

and that is all i'm going to say about it because quite frankly i'm pretty sure anyone who calls expected and swiftly handled trade negotiations "wah-wah moves" is a damn fool who is not worth educating on the issue.

THE END.

all i'm saying is that next time maybe you betta ask somebodaaaaaaaaaaay.

:/

Yeah, I forgot about Eli saying he wouldn't sign before the draft, though I have to sympathize w/ SD's predicament -- they have the #1 pick, they have a player they want to draft, and it comes out a few days before the draft that he's not willing to sign if drafted (most probably as a ploy by SD's front office to erode Eli's pro-NY resolve), but they were most definitely stuck in a shitty situation.

And, to be honest, I didn't realize about the whole USFL / NFL thing, so I'm just doing AWESOME on this front. But player / owner relations are totally different (and more pro-player) than they were TWENTY PLUS YEARS AGO and bringing it up is just talking about a boogeyman that doesn't exist.

Also, aside from all this, and even if you agree or disagree that Eli was in the right to leverage his situation to play for the team he wanted to play for -- his petulant draft day behavior was some bullshit (tho I can't say I'd have acted any better @ his age).

But I'll concede that I should've checked myself before I wrecked myself.

All in all, though, even if trophies are forever, it seemed to work out for SD (if Wikipedia's reliable @ all):

Giants received
Rights to 2004 1st Overall Pick, Eli Manning.

Chargers received
Rights to 2004 4th Overall Pick, Philip Rivers.
2005 1st Round Draft Pick - Used to draft and sign Linebacker Shawne Merriman.
2004 3rd Round Draft Pick - Used to draft and sign Kicker Nate Kaeding.
2005 5th Round Draft Pick - Traded to Tampa Bay Buccaneers for Left Tackle Roman Oben.

And really all I wanted to know was WHY IS RIVERS AN ASSHOLE which I fucked up by throwing in pointless anti-Eli troll-bait but really WHY IS RIVERS AN ASSHOLE.

guys who cares

anyway

I mean, Payton was a soft-spoken guy like LT, but nobody ever thought he was soft. Today I watched LT cruise out of bounds instead of staying in and fight for more yards and it made me really mad. That is classic LT. I understand that he's hurt, but Sproles would have picked up 5-10 more yards there for sure because the dude WANTS it.

― polyphonic, Tuesday, September 23, 2008 12:10 AM (10 hours ago) Bookmark

was it third down and he was short of the first? if not, who cares

not taking unecessary hits is prob a big part of what's made him so durable & valuable over the course of his career

he chargers took a gamble and lost, they thought they could bully a player who was TRYING to negotiate with them into playing for them.

This isn't what happened. The Chargers had been trying to trade down all week, and they drafted Manning because he had the highest perceived value because they intended to get something for him, which they did. They had been holding out to try to pry Osi from the Giants, but NY liked him too much and they settled for the package described above. The Chargers never had any intention of making Manning their QB, and the weird revisionism on it is just strange.

SD might have considered him if he seemed at all interested, but the Mannings made it very clear that they weren't, and AJ Smith doesn't like being told what to do (to a fault), so he decided to stick it to Manning AND get some more picks AND get the guy for whom he had the bigger boner, so much so that he tossed Drew Brees aside like warm garbage.

but yeah why is philip rivers a d-bag?

i think the new consensus is he is not.

I think he's a d-bag because he's a professional athlete, and a quarterback at that.

i loled @ rivers trying to chase down favre and the announcers all like "rivers wants to shake hands with his hero brett favre" and brett's like "eh lemme talk to LT"

was it third down and he was short of the first? if not, who cares

not taking unecessary hits is prob a big part of what's made him so durable & valuable over the course of his career

No, it wasn't third down. I guess it's a philosophical thing, and yeah, I guess it keeps him healthy, but I don't like watching dudes leave so many yards on the field. I didn't see a lot of effort from LT last night, and I didn't see much last year either. It doesn't help that the OL hasn't played as well, and I know he's not at 100% right now, but he seems profoundly average. I'd like to see Jacob Hester get more carries so that LT can get healthy.

you know maybe lt's cooked - lotta mileage there eh

Don't think I haven't considered the possibility.

he might have hit the alexander wall

guys no. he's just hurt!

isn't sean alexander like 50 and lt is 27 or something?

Alexander is two years older than LT.

Alexander started to suck two years ago.

guys what are we going to call week four thread

okay fine

xpost

Rolling Patriots Season Into The Shitbin Thread

(lazy)

ally already started the week 4 thread! "it's the achilles heel of his foot!"

i am so furious with all you lt haters right now

I was hoping for "Primates need comfort even more than they need food": NFL Week 4.

LT is fine, give him at least till a third of the way into the season guys!

Who's hating?!?!? I see two guys -- one a diehard Charger fan -- legitimately concerned about the mileage on LT's body, and looking at a rather frightening parallel. If anything, it's more like "pessimistic pragmatism" with a tiny dash of "ON NO THE COMMIES" paranoia.

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I love LT, and I really really really want him to retire with more touchdowns than Terrell Owens.

well, i'm not really furious, i'm just worried now.

I think we need to post that pic of Happy Romeo Crenell about 90 times right now, to offset all the bad juju.

i love LT and i want him to come back and finish with 1500 yds and 20 tds this year and a super bowl win over the cowboys (in which romo loses six fumbles and cries after each one)

lt cries too - also he has a hill in his back yard - he runs up it

last year afc title.. LT took himself out after a few carries, what happened there, i remember him just sitting off by himself the rest of the game. i really can't hate on rivers to be honest

He was trying to play through ligament damage and it was obvious that he wasn't helping the team by playing.

i'm not worried abt LT, cuz i saw this coming (*goony smirk*)

for real tho, he's on the edge of 30 which is basically 90 in runningback years, and to my untrained eye he looked half a step slower last year. being half a step slower than the best RB in the game aint so bad tho, and i think with his skillset - he's wayyyyyyyyyyyy more versatile than SA ever was - he should be good for a while longer than yr typical RB, even if he isn't quite so dominant a year or two from now.