post-super bowl XX chicago bears starting quarterbacks

hahaha o wow i mean i know but i didnt REALLY KNOW lolololol

Craig Krenzel

Career Stats

TD-INT 3-6
Yards 718
QB Rating 52.5

DOUG FLUTIE

yah obv i voted flutie

did i ever tell u guys abt how he was the commencement speaker at my d.a.r.e. graduation - claimed to never have had a drink in his life lol

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hahahha kordell ownd

yah obv i voted flutie

did i ever tell u guys abt how he was the commencement speaker at my d.a.r.e. graduation - claimed to never have had a drink in his life lol

― ice cr?m, Tuesday, December 2, 2008 1:45 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

haha mine was the rock. came out w/ an lol hueg entrance like he was still in wrestling character

also they staged a mock drug bust complete with tanks (TANKS) and shit

who tf is Peter Tom Willis

yrs had tanks wtf

Quinn was signed by the Kansas City Brigade of the Arena Football League (AFL) during the 2006–2007 offseason, but retired due to injury. At present, Jonathan is the offensive coordinator for MidAmerica Nazarene University in Olathe, Kansas.

Willis currently lives in Valrico, Florida, and is an industrial buyer for Commercial Metals of Tampa.

Burris is also known as "Smilin' Hank" for his broad, perpetual grin.

Stenstrom played in four NFL seasons from 1996–1999 for the Chicago Bears and San Francisco 49ers. He started several games for the Bears during the 1998 season, who finished that season a dismal 4-12.

yrs had tanks wtf

― ice cr?m, Tuesday, December 2, 2008 1:49 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark

ya it was in the orange bowl so they had tons of room to do crazy shit like bring out tanks to scare 5th graders away from smoking weed

u know i used to be the starting quarterback for the chicago bears - yah who the fuck didnt buddy and if you think im letting that aluminum go for under 25 a foot yr crazy

The (now-defunct) website www.tradecade.com embodied the antipathy that had built up for McNown. Maintained by two Chicago-area tech industry workers, the website featured animation of McNown being yanked away by a giant crane, as well as a petition requesting that the Bears divest themselves of him.

Entering the 1993 Draft, he was hyped as the next Joe Montana. In 2008, Mirer was inducted into the Indiana Football Hall of Fame.

ya it was in the orange bowl so they had tons of room to do crazy shit like bring out tanks to scare 5th graders away from smoking weed

― jordan s (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, December 2, 2008 2:53 PM (6 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

well ok doug flutie came to my graduation at my school which was just for my 5th grade class of like 40 kids AND he autographed all our diplomas so we didnt really need fancy tanks see cause we had doug flutie

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Fuller was awarded a gold record and a platinum video award for the 1985 "Super Bowl Shuffle", for which he was the sixth of the ten solo singers.

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oh mannn THIS THREAD

hahaha o wow i mean i know but i didnt REALLY KNOW lolololol

― ice cr?m, Tuesday, December 2, 2008 2:24 PM (45 minutes ago) Bookmark

^^^^

I voted Griese because his little table of starting positions with who came before and after him at the bottom of his wikipedia page is the most hilarious

voted for ort glorious ORT (o orton my orton) but slash definately gave me pause

i'm pretty sure kordell lives in atlanta w/his gay bf now

what the fuck is a "dare graduation"

Drug Abuse Resistance Education, better known as D.A.R.E. or DARE, is an international education program that seeks to prevent use of illegal drugs, membership in gangs, and violent behavior. D.A.R.E., which has expanded globally since its founding in 1983, is a demand-side drug control strategy of the U.S. War on Drugs. Students who enter the program sign a pledge not to use drugs or join gangs and are taught by local law enforcement about the dangers of drug use in an interactive in-school curriculum which lasts ten weeks.

at the end there is a graduation

"students who enter the program" = when the policeman comes to your classroom when you are in elementary school

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a0/Darelogo.gif

totally worked btw - never joined a gang

i didnt know DARE was something you could actually join, i just thought they like... made shirts.

for a minute there i wasnt sure if they were responsible for that special POWER PACK/SPIDERMAN comic about combating child abuse but i'm p sure that didnt fall under their purview~

After being demoted to the fourth-string quarterback spot (most teams keep three) on the depth chart, behind Orton, Jeff Blake, and Kurt Kittner, Hutchinson was released by the Bears on August 30, 2005.

(most teams keep three)

^^^ ouch

i didnt know DARE was something you could actually join, i just thought they like... made shirts.

― cankles, Tuesday, December 2, 2008 3:20 PM (2 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

getting the shirt is part of joining - its like a gang

later in high school i had the pleasure of wearing the shirt ironically

haha @ kurt kittner - HOMETOWN HERO

dare just showed up and a policeman talked about some bullshit, usually just about, like, weed, and then he'd leave and it was over. there wasn't a graduation! it was like maybe once a week, for a month. what the hell!

yah thats pretty much what it was like for me except at the end doug flutie showed up

High School Career

Kittner led Schaumburg High School to a bout in the Illinois Class 6A championship against Naperville Central High School. Schaumburg lost the game by a score of 56-31, but that isn't where Kittner's true lore was born. One day standing atop the steps of Schaumburg High School Kittner sat during a passing period as he spotted the car of the dreaded "Stealth Man". Kittner was no fool to Stealth's douchbagery and promptly made the best of the opprotunity that was presenting itself. After cooling taking a sip of his large soda from Taco Bell Kittner readied himself for the most improbable pass of his life. As Stealth Man tore through the parking lot at an estimated 47.3 mph Kittner took the now epic pose of the cup in his left hand and a pointing in the direct path of the speeding car. Leading the car pefectly Kittner blasted his Mountain Dew towards the oncoming villian (who by the way was speeding towards a line of newborns which were both concieved and born on site of this epic battle). The pop was a smashed promptly on the hood of Stealth Man's car causing the car to veer out of control and back on to Schaumburg Road and cleared a path that is now Braintree Lane. Thusly, pushing Kittner a step closer to becoming a God amongst boys.

we had some random heavy metal brought to our high school to talk about not doing drugs or something, they played some horrible music and were real skeevy.

i regret that i wasn't there the year they brought these guys though:
http://www.thepowerteam.com/

(note it was a public school so technically they could only talk about motivational stuff and not jesus)

was i absent the day doug flutie showed up or something because i'll be really pissed

haha i should mention that i grew up in the town that contains boston college

i don't remember where i even had dare classes but i've decided they took place in junior high and ergo i somehow missed out on charles barkley

DARE is popular and well-funded, at least in the United States. However, numerous scientific studies of the program report that D.A.R.E. does not actually decrease drug use among graduates. Some studies have even indicated that there is an increased rate of drug use among D.A.R.E. graduates. In 2001, the Surgeon General of the United States placed the D.A.R.E. program in the category of "Does Not Work"

So, obv., Flutie.

All we got was some cop, what a rip off.

chris fragile chandelier for lolrams reasons

I've railed against the late-80s/early-90s "graffiti" fonts before, but really. I have to remind everyone that there's a place worse than D.A.R.E.:

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Steve Fuller- decent backup QB, won a playoff game and if hadn't gotten hurt after Jimmy Mac in 86, they might have had another shot at the Superbowl.

Mike Tomczak- much maligned, but really better than many of these clowns that followed. He hung around the NFL for a long time.
Doug Flutie- First start was a playoff game against the 49ers as a rookie. The Bears gave up on him after that embarrassment and in hind sight was mistake, as Flutie did eventually prove he could play in the NFL.

Jim Harbaugh- Harbaugh was kind of a scapegoat as he became the starter as the great Bears teams were in apogee with Payton gone and that good offensive line starting to fall apart. Ditka really screwed him big time pulling that yanking stunt in Minnesota and the fans turned on him big time. In hindsight, he was WAY freakin better than most of these bozos and could have been a solid for a lot longer. His scrambling ability bailed out a their O-line a bunch. The only game I ever saw in person was the Vikings versus the Bears like the weekend that Jordan retired for the first time (so probably 92?) and they sacked him like 7 times and hit him a dozen more. The line was so porous and yet every Bear fan listening to talk radio driving out talked about how much Harbaugh was to blame for the loss, which was complete insanity.

Peter Tom Willis- He was hyped up for about a half a year after he was drafted, I think because of the three name thing and because he had that Jesse Palmer thing that he kind of looked like a QB. He was also one of many Florida State QBs that put up huge numbers in college and not do squat in the pros.

Will Furrer- Don't even remember the dude.

Erik Kramer- He actually was pretty decent when healthy. He had one good season with the Bears.

Steve Walsh- See Peter Tom Willis and insert Miami of Florida where it says Florida State.

Dave Kreig- This guy was a pretty good QB for a long time, not heralded as he played in Seattle. He played for the Bears late in his career and had a few decent games on very middling Bears clubs. I think he was there in the Wannstadt 7-9 into infinity years.

Rick Mirer- The guy had a decent rookie year at Seattle then turned to suck. The Bears cannot help but get rooked on Notre Dame guys, but hey Mirer kept getting a job for ten years or more.

Steve Stenstrom & Moses Moreno- Don't remember, I didn't watch as much football for a couple of years as I used to have to work a bunch of Sundays at a restaurant.

Shane Matthews- See Steve Walsh, insert Florida in place of 'The U'.

Cade McNown- Flush that #1 down the toilet. He looked cool throwing from the left side though.

Jim Miller- One of my favorites, as the dude was a total meatball. His press conference after he got busted for steroids was hilarious. He was decent, but couldn't stay healthy after having the one OK year.

Chris Chandler- Chandler was a decent QB that could never stay healthy. When he could play, he did alright and put up some results like in Atlanta. The guy played in the NFL forever and ended up with the Bears at the end of his career.

Henry Burris- This dude was terrible. He was one of the worse ones, even more so then Krenzel. That season the Bears went through everyone and a bucket playing QB and I don't think that Burris guy could of started at Illinois, let alone the Bears. Burris started either a Monday night or Sunday night game and it was one of the most freaking ugly games a QB could have.

Kordell Stewart- The guy had some talent and maybe if just left as a 'slash' player, he might have had more success. He took the brunt of the Steelers long time failures in the playoffs, some much deserved. It wasn't a terrible idea giving him a shot, but I think the failure seemed to kind of break him a bit. When he first started though, he was an exciting player for a season or two.

Rex Grossman- In the end, see Shane Matthews but give him a bunch more starts.

Jonathan Quinn- Another guy that got a shot in lost season. He didn't have much.

Craig Krenzel- Dude gave it the old college try, but he just didn't have the chops. I kind of liked the guy, but he didn't have much of an arm.

Chad Hutchinson- This is a backup that got hyped, a signing for the Bears a bit like Steve Walsh, who started as a backup with the Cowboys. He had some big ass teeth.

Kyle Orton- I like the guy and there have been some decent QBs to come out of Purdue, so I hope for the best.

Brian Griese- Dude was following Elway, his dad is a Hall of Fame QB and he ended up a QB for the Bears -- i.e. he was screwed from jump street.

Jeff Blake is one of my favorite of the more obscure Bears QBs. That dude had a cannon of the arm and a couple of decent years with the Bengals. If he would have ended up with a better club early in his career, things might have been different.

Vince Evans- The guy had a really good arm and started a bit before Jimmy Mac. He hung around the NFL for a long time afterwards.

Bob Avellini- The dude would run for more yards than pass some games. Payton always got more running the ball for more yards than Avellini would thrown.

Mike Phipps - Dude was a big time first round draft bust that ended up with the Bears for a while before Jimmy Mac.

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yah srsly crazy recall dude

voted Tomczak

I grew up in northern Indiana in the 70s/80s and had a Bears stocking hat when I was like 3. My uncle was a die-hard Bears fan and he got me into watching football, as he lived with my grandma and we would spend Sundays over at there house quite a bit. I probably saw 85-90% of the Bears games from like 1980 to 1992. I was a total football junkie when I was a kid, so 80s football up until when the Cowboys would maul the Bills, I know really well. I can remember watching like the Cowboys versus the Rams in the playoffs in like 79 (Roger Staubach at QB for the Cowboys) and Earl Campbell with the Oilers pretty well, as even when I was like 9 or 10 years old, I'd watch football and read comic books on Sundays.

I worked a lot of Sundays during the Jimmy Johnson Cowboys era (which was kind of cruddy anyway as either them or the Niners were going to win it all) until say 96 when I finally got done with school, started working 8 to 5 and could watch football again on weekends.

i always sort of appreciated harbaugh and the straight up professional michigan qb in general. brady's sort of upped the ante, but i still think of there being sort of a "michigan style."

here's the Burris line from his one and only start (against the Bucs)

7-19 78yds 0Td's 4INT

The guy who replaced him in the game, Cory Sauter, is not even listed in the poll.

oh, sauter never started and replacing Burris was his one and only appearance in an NFL game

can someone explain to me how this has happened - is there an institutional bias in chicago toward getting the shittiest possible qb - theres got to be a reason

i think a lot of it has been this unofficial organizational mandate to go with defense and bruising running backs and qbs who are "effective" at "managing the game". i also think it's been the gms the bears have had, a lot of dudes who happen to believe in that particular mandate and really think the team should have this "monsters of the midway" thing. i mean there's also bad luck coming into play, the bears are pretty notorious for having ill-timed, horrific #1 draft picks at qb and rb.

every single offseason bears fans are praying for some awesome pick in the first round of one of these star qb types or, barring that, some amazing free agent signing or trade. but every offseason, as far back as i can recall, angelo or whoever happens to be running the show announces they're going with that they've got and bringing in some griese/kreig aging former pro bowler type to be the third string. i mean it's pretty sickening to think that our best qb over the past twenty something years was probably erik kramer and our best hope now is kyle orton, only because he doesn't cough up the ball on a regular basis. but i personally don't think orton is the long-term answer, because while he's not grossman he's not exactly gonna change the game for the better.

and yeah, the treatment harbaugh got in chicago was pretty horrible. the dude was an alright qb, and ditka was just being a bitch because a lot of the problems with those teams had more to do with the coaching and o-line and less to do with the qb, and i think ditka would rather hang his qb out to dry than the guys in the trenches, because they're men's men after all. but it sort of makes sense in chicago; qbs there never catch a single break, every single one of them has received the mcnabb treatment, and the best qb in town is always the dude on the bench (haha except for right now!)

figured it was something like that - just like red sox for years being all we need power to compliment fenway while neglecting pitching - new ownership and boom 2 titles

personally i think the bears have some really big issues and they have only a few things going for them now, and that's forte (dude looks pretty awesome, best rb since anderson), briggs/harris/urlacher, hester, and lovie smith (he's made some mistakes--lol falcons game--but i think the guy is a really good coach and 6-6 considering the "talent" he's saddled with is pretty good imo).

Honestly think it's worth sticking with Orton and surrounding him with more talent. He's looked pretty good this year at times.

yeah i mean he's not a "problem", he's been good, and i'd say the bears got bigger issues in the secondary and in the receiving corps, but i'm not sold on him 100% yet.

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"can someone explain to me how this has happened - is there an institutional bias in chicago toward getting the shittiest possible qb - theres got to be a reason"

The Bears seem to also always have a bunch of injury problems at QB, much more than the norm, it has to be. I think in the 70s and 80s it was probably playing on that often frozen piece of Astroturf at Soldier Field. They have had seasons in this stretch when they would not just lose their starter, they would literally lose two or three QBs in a year. That year that Flutie ended up starting that playoff game, the Bears lost McMahon, Fuller and Tomczak to injury. That has happened more than a few times in the last 20 years or so.

The injury bug has kind of been a thing with the Bears on and off over the last few years. I'd like to have a dollar for every day that Mike Brown and Tommie Harris have spend on IR. Both dudes are killer players when they are healthy, but they have had some bad luck (although Mike Brown is holding it together this season).

good insight re frozen tundra^

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ok who voted for grossman?

How did Kordell Stewart get 3 votes, and Steve Fuller get none?

I know Bobby Dougalass predates the conditions for this thread but check out his dropback technique in this: (it's at the 40 second mark)

^I think this was played at Wrigley

and check out how gigantic the Browns wide receiver is (#89 Gary Collins)

er I guess that's Milt Morin the tight end, still Collins (86) is semi-gigantic. This is all I have left in this ol' world.

I grew up with Bobby's stepsons. Douglass was a nice guy, but he liked the sauce a lot.

Two notes about that Browns/Bears clip above:

1) on the Browns first touchdown from the one, every one of the Bears d-linemen stands up at the snap, which is terrible technique. If you did that nowadays, you'd be cut at halftime.

2) Was Dick Butkus trying to rip Leroy Kelly's head off?

Bobby Douglass' backpedal in that clip just encapsulates in a few seconds the shoddy legacy that Bears' qbs have left since Sid Luckman

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"He was also one of many Florida State QBs that put up huge numbers in college and not do squat in the pros."

Soon to add Jameis Winston to this list!

Charlie Ward was the best pro Florida State QB ever and he played for the KNICKS!

I think it is a perfectly logical move for the Bears to go to Claussen. Bears get a shot to see if Claussen has picked up anything sitting in the wings as a backup and it puts it out that Cutler might not be the starter. I can't see the McCaskey's eating that contract, that would be very unlike them as they are notoriously tight with their cash. You make Cutler sit it out and then make him win the job next year in training camp with a new coach.

you can't start jimmy clausen. you just can't.

― call all destroyer, Wednesday, December 17, 2014 9:20 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

DUDE WAS QB FOR NOTRE DAME, don't underestimate the Chicago Bear front office and some of the fan base to be blinded by that fact.

― earlnash, Wednesday, December 17, 2014 9:27 PM (0 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Motivational football speaker, Craig Krenzel was is a former college and professional quarterback. He is the founder of Arthur Krenzel Lett Insurance Group and occassionally a commentator for WBNS 97.1 The FAN in Columbus, which broadcasts the Ohio State Buckeyes football games. Craig led Ohio State to the national championship, and 2003. He was known for his clutch play, smart decision making, and accuracy.

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BEVERLY HILLS, Calif.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Lourd Capital Management, an independent investment advisory and financial planning firm, is pleased to announce the appointment of Cade McNown, 36, as vice president. In this new position, McNown is responsible for cultivating new and existing client relationships as well as working with clients to develop customized investment solutions.

“Cade has been a friend for many years and we are delighted to have him join our team,” said Lourd Capital Management CEO Blaine Lourd. “Cade’s tenacity, strong work ethic and drive have not only brought him great success on the football field, but have also made him a first-rate financial professional. His direct experience with new wealth creation along with several years of financial advisory experience will be a tremendous asset to our business and a valuable resource for our clients.”

Prior to joining Lourd Capital Management, McNown was a banker with J.P. Morgan’s Private Bank where he focused on building and managing client relationships. Before joining J.P. Morgan, McNown worked in the private wealth division of UBS. He began his investment career at a boutique, Southern California real estate investment firm. Before that, McNown spent four years as a professional quarterback in the National Football League after being selected in the first round of the 1999 draft by the Chicago Bears.

so in theory a guy in my company could have played quarterback for the bears and i might not even realize it

Kordell Stewart, the former Pittsburgh Steeler and ex-husband of “Real Housewives of Atlanta” member Porsha Williams, is leaving 92.9/The Game after 19 months at the station.

He said goodbye on today’s show and took calls from fans. I did not hear why he’s leaving but will update this as I get more information. Was it voluntary or involuntary? Does he have a plan B?

Terry Foxx, the program director, declined to comment about where Stewart is going. He said there will be new staffing announcements on Tuesday. Foxx on air said Stewart will keep a relationship with the Game and clearly this is an amicable break up because Foxx actually allowed Stewart to make the announcement on air.

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It was sad to see Peter Tom Willis forced out as a radio analyst for Florida State football games. It was sadder still to see honesty forced out with him.

Willis, a former FSU quarterback who had been in the booth for 10 years, was told this month that his contract would not be renewed because the administration felt he was too critical.

So now, I suppose, the Seminoles are free to hire a softer radio voice.

And all it cost them was their integrity.

My goodness, this was wrong. Too wrong to be ignored.

How does an institution of higher learning send the message that offering honest and well-informed criticism is a firing offense? How does a fan base accept this with so little complaint?

Isn't a college campus a place where independent thinking is encouraged? A place where the quest for knowledge and understanding is supposed to be a good thing?

Willis' sin was that he did his job too well.

Genius.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caleb_Hanie

2011 season

After a back and forth preseason, Hanie won a battle with Nate Enderle for the second position on the depth chart. Against the San Diego Chargers in week 11, starting quarterback Jay Cutler suffered a broken thumb on his throwing hand. The following day, the Bears reported that Cutler would need to have surgery on the thumb, possibly ending his season. Hanie was named the starter for the Bears until Cutler's return.

On November 27, 2011 Hanie started his first NFL game against the Oakland Raiders. He threw two touchdowns and three interceptions in the 25-20 loss, snapping the Bears' 5-game winning streak. In that game with 8 seconds left, looking to spike the ball, Hanie stepped backwards, as if attempting a pass, and then spiked the ball. He was charged with intentional grounding and was forced to runoff the clock 10 more seconds, preserving a Raiders win. The following week, Hanie threw three interceptions in a 10-3 loss to the Kansas City Chiefs.

Baltimore Ravens

Hanie signed a one-year contract with the Baltimore Ravens on April 16, 2013 as competition for Tyrod Taylor for the backup quarterback position. He was released on August 30, 2013.
Cleveland Browns

Hanie was signed by the Cleveland Browns on December 3, 2013.[8] Hanie was waived on December 10.[9]
Dallas Cowboys

Hanie was signed to a one year deal by the Dallas Cowboys on April 23, 2014. Hanie was released by the team on August 26, 2014. [10]

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Todd_Collins_%28quarterback%29

Collins was signed by the Chicago Bears to a one-year deal for the 2010 season. Terms of the deal were not disclosed.[8] Collins made the roster as the second-string quarterback after Jay Cutler and ahead of Caleb Hanie. Collins played for the Bears in the fourth game of the season, beginning the second half of the Week 4 matchup against the New York Giants when starter Jay Cutler suffered a concussion in the first half. Collins finished that game 4 for 11 for 36 yards, no touchdowns and one interception. The Bears lost 17–3, their first loss of the season, falling to 3–1. He would fill in for Cutler in Week 5 against the Carolina Panthers. In that start, Collins completed six of 16 passes for 32 yards, threw four interceptions and had a passer rating of 6.2. He was relieved at the end of the third quarter by Caleb Hanie. The Bears won 23–6.[9] Collins also saw limited action in the Bears' 21–14 NFC Championship game loss to the Packers, relieving the injured Cutler in the third quarter before being replaced by Hanie after suffering a shoulder injury. This was the final game of his career.

It's a story as old as youth sports itself. One kid gets his block knocked off, the dad of the victim intervenes, the dad of the perpetrator takes an issue with the other dad's tone, and a "fracas" is born.

Such is the scene painted by a 10TV report that left one Dublin-area dad wanting former national title-winning Ohio State quarterback Craig Krenzel put behind bars.

Bruce Wolfe's eight year-old son was involved in an "aggressive block" on Craig Krenzel's son that left lil' Krenzel without his helmet.

Wolfe alleges that Krenzel, an assistant coach on his son's team, ran over to to separate the two boys. Wolfe alleges Krenzel "grabbed [Wolfe's son] by the shoulder pads and yelled at him."

Wolfe was so perturbed by Krenzel's actions, he filed a police report in which he requested assault charges be brought up against the former Ohio State quarterback.

No charges, however, have been filed against Krenzel.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_Campbell

Campbell signed with the Chicago Bears on March 13, 2012 to a one-year contract as a backup to Jay Cutler.[16] In Week 10 against the Houston Texans, Campbell replaced Cutler, who had gone down with a concussion.[17] In the game, Campbell completed 11 of 19 passes for 94 yards and a 70.9 passer rating.[18] On November 16, Cutler was ruled out of the Bears-San Francisco 49ers game, meaning Campbell would start the game.[19] The Bears went on to lose 32-7.[

one of my best friends is family vacation cottage neighbors with todd collins

gonna have to crosspost collins and campbell to the hatcats version of this thread

THis is one of the greatest threads ever. I expect Clausen to have a negative QB rating against Detroit.

lol i forgot chicago is playing detroit. i am sure cutler is devastated that he won't have the chance to spend sunday afternoon getting the shit kicked out of him in the cold.

i still can't believe pickle scion jimmy clausen is going to start for the bears. anyway, football career highlights:

As the younger brother of two former Division I quarterbacks—Casey and Rick Clausen, who both played at Tennessee—Jimmy Clausen gained media attention very early. Beginning in eighth grade, his parents paid his tutelage under professional quarterbacks coach Steve Clarkson.[6] During his junior season, a Sports Illustrated feature dubbed him “The Kid with The Golden Arm”.[7] Recruiting analysts considered him a “once in a decade” quarterback talent and ranked him as the #1 overall prospect of the 2007 high school class.[8] Because of his quick release, some in the media compared him to Joe Namath.

On April 22, 2006, Clausen verbally committed to the University of Notre Dame.[12] He was the most highly touted recruit for the Fighting Irish since the arrival of Ron Powlus in 1993.[13] Clausen announced his oral commitment at the College Football Hall of Fame in South Bend, Indiana, after arriving in a stretch Hummer limousine. He also said his goal was to win multiple national titles with the Irish.

On July 28, 2010, Clausen signed a four-year, $4.2 million contract with the Panthers, which includes $2.53 million in guarantees.[36] Clausen made his NFL debut in a loss against the New York Giants in the 2010 season opener, after starting quarterback Matt Moore was sidelined with a concussion.[37] After poor play by Matt Moore in a week 2 matchup against the Buccaneers, Clausen took over late in the game. He completed 7 of 13 passes for 59 yards and an interception and one fumbled snap, and led a 17-play drive that was stopped inside the 5-yard line.[38] The following week, Clausen started his first NFL game against the Bengals, completing 16 of 33 passes for 188 yards and an interception and three fumbled snaps, losing two.[38] During the game TV cameras caught wide receiver Steve Smith walking over to Clausen, who was talking with an assistant coach, and screaming at the rookie. Smith walked away, but returned and said something else before being escorted away by tight end Jeff King. At that point, Smith threw down a cup of Gatorade.

Yeah, I was sort of surprised to find out he was still in the league tbh.

http://national.suntimes.com/national-sports/7/72/353271/jay-cutler-tennessee-titans/

This does kinda make sense.

It would be cool if NFL teams did more trading.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/rex-grossman-passes-on-browns-offer-with-family-in-town-for-xmas-010333684.html

Ex-Bears QB news!

"Nah, my folks are in town this weekend."

http://deadspin.com/no-one-bid-on-jay-cutlers-autographed-football-at-a-cha-1695555582?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_facebook&utm_source=deadspin_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow

A March 26 pet-adoption charity event at a Chicago Bloomingdale’s attempted to auction off a football signed by Jay Cutler. The starting bid was $100. No one placed any bids. No one. Zero.

Fortunately for the Anti-Cruelty Society, an anonymous man bought the football for $100 Thursday, saying he planned to give it to his son. He presumably stayed anonymous because he didn’t want his friends knowing that he bought a football autographed by Jay Cutler.

A book about former Illinois men’s basketball coach Bruce Weber was auctioned off for a reported $120.

[Chicago Tribune]

I still root that somehow Cutler will get a last laugh.

whoa i completely missed out on the news that Erik Kramer attempted to kill himself this summer

http://deadspin.com/former-nfl-qb-erik-kramer-wounded-in-apparent-suicide-a-1725327491?utm_source=taboola

his ex chalked it up to post-NFL depression, due to head injuries :(

Joshua Treadwell McCown (born July 4, 1979) is an American football quarterback for the New York Jets of the National Football League (NFL). He was drafted by the Arizona Cardinals in the third round of the 2002 NFL Draft. He played college football at SMU and Sam Houston State. McCown has also played for the Detroit Lions, Oakland Raiders, Miami Dolphins, Carolina Panthers, Hartford Colonials, San Francisco 49ers, Chicago Bears, Tampa Bay Buccaneers and Cleveland Browns. He is the older brother of fellow NFL quarterback Luke McCown and younger brother of former Texas A&M quarterback Randy McCown.

McCown attended Jacksonville High School in Jacksonville, Texas, where he was named the East Texas Player of the Year and earned All-State honorable mention honors as a senior. He played three seasons for the SMU Mustangs of Southern Methodist University, where he passed for totals of 4,022 yards, 27 touchdowns and 34 interceptions. He then transferred to play his final season of college football for the Sam Houston State Bearkats of Sam Houston State University. In his only season with the Bearkats, he threw for 3,481 yards, 32 touchdowns and 12 interceptions, earning Southland Football League Player of the Year and Third-team Division I-AA All-American honors.

He was then drafted by the Cardinals in the third round of the 2002 NFL Draft and played for the team from 2002 to 2005. He was mainly the backup quarterback during his tenure with the Cardinals but was the team's primary starter in 2004. He was a backup with the Detroit Lions in 2006 and was traded to the Oakland Raiders in 2007, where he started nine games. He was then traded to the Miami Dolphins in 2008 but was traded to the Carolina Panthers before the start of the 2008 regular season. He was a backup with the Panthers from 2008 to 2009. McCown then played for the Hartford Colonials of the United Football League in 2010, followed by a short off-season stint with the San Francisco 49ers in 2011. He was then a backup with the Chicago Bears from 2011 to 2013. In 2013, McCown had his best statistical season. In eight games, and five starts, in place of an injured Jay Cutler, McCown threw for 1,829 yards, 13 touchdowns and one interception, garnering the third-best passer rating in the NFL. He then signed with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, where he was the team's primary starter in 2014. However, after underperforming, he was released by the team and signed by the Cleveland Browns. He was the primary starter for the Browns in 2015 and a backup for the Browns in 2016. He was released by the Browns after the 2016 season and then signed with the New York Jets.[1]

3 Professional career
3.1 Arizona Cardinals
3.2 Detroit Lions
3.3 Oakland Raiders
3.4 Miami Dolphins
3.5 Carolina Panthers
3.6 Hartford Colonials
3.7 San Francisco 49ers
3.8 Chicago Bears
3.9 Tampa Bay Buccaneers
3.10 Cleveland Browns
3.11 New York Jets

McCown was rated the sixth best quarterback in the 2002 NFL Draft by NFLDraftScout.com.[35] He was drafted by the Arizona Cardinals in the third round of the 2002 NFL Draft, with the 81st overall pick, and was the fourth quarterback selected.[38] Dave McGinnis, the head coach of the Cardinals when McCown was drafted, later stated that McCown "had all the background essentials you really liked. And he's a fabulous athlete. If you were going to start a pickup basketball game in the building, he'd be one of your first choices."[39]

Chicago Bears[edit]
On April 30, 2016, Hoyer agreed to a one-year, $2 million contract with the Chicago Bears.[25] After an injury to starting quarterback Jay Cutler in Week 2, Hoyer started the Week 3 game against the Dallas Cowboys and threw for 317 yards and two touchdowns in a 31–17 loss.[26] The following week, Hoyer threw two touchdowns for 302 yards in a 17–14 victory over the Detroit Lions.[27] A week later in a 29–23 loss to the Colts, he threw for a career-high 397 yards, the most by a Bears quarterback since Jim Miller threw for 422 yards in 1999 and the fifth-most in Bears history. Hoyer also joined Josh McCown as the only Bears quarterbacks to throw for at least 300 yards in three straight games[28] and later became the first to do so in four consecutive games after throwing for 302 yards in a loss to the Jacksonville Jaguars.[29] Hoyer broke his left arm during the second quarter of a game against the Green Bay Packers on October 20, 2016.[30] He was placed on injured reserve on October 24, 2016 after having surgery on his left arm, and was reported to be out at least eight weeks.

San Francisco 49ers[edit]
On March 9, 2017, Hoyer signed a two-year contract with the San Francisco 49ers.[31]

Chicago Bears[edit]

Following an injury to the Bears' backup quarterback Brian Hoyer against the Green Bay Packers on October 20, Barkley made his first NFL appearance as a Chicago Bear, going 6 of 15 for 81 yards; he threw for zero touchdowns and two interceptions.[53] After Jay Cutler suffered a shoulder injury against the Giants, Barkley started the following week's game against the Tennessee Titans.[54] Barkley completed 28 of 54 passes for 316 yards with three touchdowns, two interceptions, and a 72.8 passer rating, nearly rallying the Bears from a 20-point deficit in the fourth quarter before losing 27–21.[55] Barkley earned his first NFL win the very next week on December 4, a 26–6 win over the San Francisco 49ers at Soldier Field.[56] He completed 11 for 18 passes for 192 yards, no touchdowns, no interceptions, and a 97.5 passer rating.[57] On December 18, Barkley completed 30 passes for 362 yards, two touchdowns and three interceptions as the Bears nearly upset the Green Bay Packers, ultimately losing 30–27 on a last-second field goal.[58] Barkley struggled in the following week's game against the Washington Redskins, a 41–21 loss; although he threw for 323 yards and two touchdown passes, he also threw five interceptions, including on four consecutive drives in the second half. The five interceptions were the most by a Bears quarterback since Cutler threw five in 2009.[59]

San Francisco 49ers[edit]
On March 10, 2017, Barkley signed a two-year contract with the San Francisco 49ers.[63]

2014 season[edit]
New head coach Lovie Smith quickly announced that newly signed journeyman Josh McCown would be the starting quarterback for the upcoming 2014 season, leaving Glennon's future in Tampa Bay in question. On May 10, Smith stated while McCown would be the starter, Glennon was the Bucs' "quarterback of the future". That same day, Rick Stroud of the Tampa Bay Times reported that the Bucs turned down at least six trade offers for Glennon during the 2014 NFL Draft.[7]

Glennon made his 2014 season debut Week 3 on Thursday Night Football against the Atlanta Falcons. Glennon entered the game near the end of the first half, after McCown suffered a thumb injury. At the time of Glennon's entry into the game, the Bucs already trailed 35–0. Glennon completed 17 of 24 passes for 121 yards, 1 touchdown, and no interceptions. The Bucs lost the game 56–14.

With McCown unable to play due to his injury, Glennon started the next five games for the Bucs. The team lost all five games, and Smith then announced that McCown would reclaim the starting quarterback job for Week 10.

The Bucs finished the season a league worst 2–14, and 1–4 with Glennon as the quarterback. Glennon finished his second season campaign with an 83.3 passer rating. He completed 57.6 percent of his passes (117 of 203) for 1,417 passing yards, and threw 10 touchdowns and 6 interceptions.

2015 season[edit]
Glennon did not see any playing time during the 2015 season. He was the backup to the number one overall pick Jameis Winston.

2016 season[edit]
Glennon was the backup to Winston in 2016. After Winston suffered a knee injury midway through the fourth quarter of the Week 9 game against the Atlanta Falcons, Glennon entered and completed 10 of 11 passes for 75 yards and a touchdown.[8] Glennon also appeared in the Week 10 game against the Chicago Bears but did not record any statistics.[9]

Chicago Bears[edit]
On March 9, 2017, Glennon signed a three-year, $45 million contract with the Chicago Bears.[10]

Future star and new Bears quarterback Mitch Trubinsky

https://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/6952a4578bd79a6afcf3cc1da64888ba1d89fa38/c=1044-211-3000-1682&r=x404&c=534x401/local/-/media/2017/02/27/USATODAY/USATODAY/636238158366204544-XXX-MITCH-TRUBISKY-15522-89132579.JPG

*mitchell

https://i.giphy.com/zyK16GtMv5sas.gif

ALL I GOT TO SAY TO BEARS FANS IS YOU SHOULD F'N WISH WE HAD ANDY DALTON THE PAST TEN YEARS.

Justin Fields 'might' and it is a big f'n might end up good but Andy Dalton would be the best QB in Bears history with his career numbers and that is a fact.

He did not play all that bad for a crap Dallas team with no training camp, getting Covid and hurt when he started out.

Just sayin' - lay off Opie, he's a pretty good dude.

Name the last Ohio State QB that was a decent pro... I'm just saying you won't like the answer as there has not been one.

Heck you can make and argument that Tomczak is the answer to the question as at least he played 15 seasons in the pros.

That's the truth!

write-in vote for Romy Madley Croft

Chase Daniel:

For the 2018 regular season, he served as the backup to Mitchell Trubisky. In week four, he saw action against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers on a trick play nicknamed "Willy Wonka", which had been designed by coach Matt Nagy and the quarterbacks and named by Daniel days before the game.[76][77] On the Buccaneers' three-yard line, Daniel joined Trubisky in the backfield in the shotgun formation. Before the play began, receiver Taylor Gabriel and tight end Trey Burton moved along the line of scrimmage to confuse the defense. Upon receiving the snap, Trubisky quickly pitched the ball forward to Gabriel on a shovel pass. Trubisky then faked a hand-off to Daniel as Gabriel scored the touchdown.[78]

Andy Dalton:

On March 17, 2021, the Bears signed Dalton to a one-year contract worth $10 million, and up to $13 million in incentives.[154] Dalton started the first two games before suffering a knee injury.[155] He was then relegated to the backup quarterback after Justin Fields was named the starter.[156] Against the Baltimore Ravens in Week 11, Dalton entered the game in the third quarter after Fields left the game with a rib injury. Dalton threw for 201 yards and two touchdowns as the Bears lost 13–16.[157] In the 2021 season, Dalton passed for 1,512 yards, eight touchdowns, and nine interceptions in eight games.[158]

Nick Foles:

Foles was traded to the Chicago Bears in exchange for a compensatory fourth-round 2020 NFL Draft pick on March 31, 2020.[118] He competed with Mitchell Trubisky for the starting quarterback position during Training Camp, eventually losing and becoming the backup.[119]

great revive

I guess this is in honor of Mitch Trubisky being benched by a second club.

Got to say that one interception Mitchy threw this week was a straight up Sexy Rexy f'it i'm going deep toss.

Andy Dalton is still better than Justin Fields. OSU QBs are all false gold.

Some experts caution patience with Fields, saw one say being the Bears QB was “the worst position in football right now”, but even in that supposed context he’s looking lost. It’s just amazing to me how badly they whiff on QBs, every time out. The Browns whiffed on Mayfield when they could have gone with Josh Allen, but when he was on his game Mayfield was markedly better than Trubisky. Fields makes Trubisky look like Mayfield, though. I know it’s always hard to predict with these guys but you’d think they’d even accidentally draft a Mahomes once in awhile, or sign a backup who turns into a surprise star, but instead it’s just…*gestures upthread*

I really feel like evaluating QBs in their first few seasons has been skewed by some of the early success stories that happened in recent years, which prior to this decade, were pretty atypical. Dan Fouts took four years to get a starting job, Elway was terrible for four years, Chargers were ready to move on from Brees after 3, drafted his replacement, and he had his best season to that point in his 4th year.

part of it is how the rules have changed more and more over the years to benefit offense, but it's still very wild that we have Herberts and Dak Prescott type situations as often as we have (and yet we've also seen a lot of regression for QB wunderkids as well in subsequent seasons).

that said, the little I've seen of Fields hasn't impressed me much. I'm still of the belief a young QB should ride the pine his first year and learn from the bench and practice, with a journeyman to learn from as a starter.

There is that too. Probably the most ideal situation is the Green Bay method, to have an older QB who refuses to leave and draft your next stud and torture him by leaving him on the bench for several seasons.

It is hard to tell. No one really thought Dak Prescott would have been that good coming out of college. Then you got guys like Tony Romo or Kurt Warner that literally come out of nowhere.

I was curious to see how Mitch would do with the Steelers. It has been a while, but there used to be quite a few guys that seemed to figure it out way later.

Rich Gannon is one of those types who was a heck of an athlete but they seemed raw early in their career.

Gannon was a weird one, one of those dudes that was middling-to-'pretty good' at best for his entire career and then managed to become a stud in a defense-heavy era (I guess having Brown and Rice didn't hurt).

speaking of, football from 2000-2006 or so was sooooooooooo dire from an offensive standpoint, like, all offenses did back then was run one feature back into the ground, if you averaged 350 yards/game you were a league leading offense lmao. my Fins won their last playoff game in 2000 with Jay Fiedler, an offense that averaged under 300 yards/game and whose defense did all the scoring.

everyone used to say "the defenses are just that good" as a defense, but in that same era, you had no-name running backs putting up 1300-1400 yard seasons, and run defense was abysmal.

I really feel like NFL executives breathed a sigh of relief when Rodgers emerged as the next big stud because all of the greats of the 80s/90s were almost gone, and there weren't a whole lot of big name successors...and then Rodgers et al kind of brought on a QB renaissance, no doubt aided by the fact that rules continued to be bent towards the passing game, and teams realized their RBs that they ran 450 times a season had to retire by age 29, so they went back to RB by committee

I kinda think NFL is running out of the QBs to an extent. They had a window where they had all these guys (Big Ben, Mannings, Brees etc...)

While they have gotten a couple new elite ones, the drop off is probably more severe now than it's been and there is more middling in the Qb game.

I think that is where Shanahan is pretty smart with the Niners. He's got an offense that kinda works without not having to have the Ferrari Qb.

yeah we've started to start cycling through another weak era. we won't see an era like 2000-2006 again, but definitely more teams than in years past with QB issues. lots of QBs who were one year wonders and fell off too.

Gannon is sort of the Dave Stewart of football: a journeyman who suddenly becomes this late-emerging stud. There was that four year stretch where he was the best around.

I do think the Bears should give Fields a slightly longer leash, this season is a write off and his situation is so bad, they have to be fair to him and keep expectations maybe not “low” but realistic. I’m still not really that hopeful, though.

I'm really surprised the player's union hasn't lobbied for a rule that QBs can't be drafted, they just openly negotiate on open market so they're free to go to a team that doesn't get them sacked 50 times their first year and use up their brain and body up before they even started

It would be the "David Carr rule"

Hmm 🧐

Ok, so he maybe can play a little bit. It would figure the Bears offense would start scoring 30 a game when the defense gives up 35+ a game.

Most rushing yards in a single game by a QB ever, wow

Didn’t know where else to put this but everyone is excited about the release of Cocaine Bear

https://abc7chicago.com/amp/sam-hurd-released-release-date-chicago-bears/12868402/

Nathan Peterman

On January 4, 2023, Peterman was named the starter for the Week 18 matchup against the Minnesota Vikings, replacing Justin Fields who was ruled out for a sore hip. Peterman threw for 114 yards and a touchdown in the 29-13 loss.

2023 season

Peterman was re-signed to a one-year deal on March 31, 2023.[91] He was then released as part of the final roster moves for the Bears on August 29.[92] However, the Bears re-signed Peterman to the active roster on August 31.[93] He was named the second-string option behind starter Justin Fields and ahead of undrafted rookie Tyson Bagent, beating out veteran PJ Walker for the role.[94] On September 20, Peterman was cut for a second time.[95] The next day, he was again re-signed.[96] However, he was demoted to third string before Week 4, in favor of an increasingly impressive Bagent.[97]

the increasingly impressive Tyson Bagent

Bagent made his NFL debut for the Bears against the Minnesota Vikings on October 15 after Fields left the game with an injury.[42] He completed 10-of-14 passes for 83 yards, with one rushing touchdown, a fumble and an interception en route to a 19–13 loss.[42] Due to Fields's injury, Bagent would be announced as the starter for the Bears Week 7 game against the Las Vegas Raiders.[43] He completed 21-of-29 passes for 162 yards, rushed 24 yards, and also threw one passing touchdown in a 30–12 win.[44] It was then announced that Bagent would again be the starter for Week 8 against Los Angeles Chargers.[45] On Sunday Night Football, Bagent went 25-of-37 for 232 yards, two interceptions and also had a rushing touchdown in the 30–13 loss.

don't want to forget Trevor Siemian

On March 29, 2022, Siemian signed a two-year contract with the Chicago Bears.[94] Siemian made his Bears debut in a 29-49 loss to the Dallas Cowboys going 1 of 1 for 5 yards.[95]

After Justin Fields suffered an injury in the Week 11,[96] Siemian was given his first start as a Bear in Week 12 against his former team, the New York Jets. Siemian suffered an oblique injury during pregame warmups. The Bears initially announced their third-string quarterback, Nathan Peterman, would start the game,[97] but Siemian still made the start. He completed 14 of 25 passes for 179 yards, while throwing a touchdown and an interception in a 31–10 loss.[98]

On December 3, Siemian was placed on injured reserve to undergo season-ending surgery to repair his oblique injury.[99][100]

Siemian was released on March 16, 2023, after the Bears signed P. J. Walker.

full updated list, bold are the new additions since the poll. I'm a bit, uh, bear-ish on Fields at this point.

Mike Tomczak
Steve Fuller
Doug Flutie
Mike Hohensee
Steve Bradley
Jim Harbaugh
Peter Tom Willis
Will Furrer
Steve Walsh
Erik Kramer
Dave Krieg
Rick Mirer
Steve Stenstrom
Moses Moreno
Shane Matthews
Cade McNown
Jim Miller
Cade McNown
Shane Matthews
Chris Chandler
Henry Burris
Kordell Stewart
Rex Grossman
Craig Krenzel
Chad Hutchinson
Jonathan Quinn
Kyle Orton
Brian Griese
Jay Cutler
Todd Collins
Caleb Hanie
Josh McCown
Jason Campbell
Jimmy Clausen
Matt Barkley
Brian Hoyer
Mitchell Trubisky
Mike Glennon
Chase Daniel
Justin Fields
Andy Dalton
Nick Foles
Trevor Siemian
Nathan Peterman
Tyson Bagent

really felt like Rex had the biggest potential to be "the guy" and then just couldn't get out of his own way.

it was just wild seeing the initial excitement about Grossman when he returned from his injury and started playing in 2005 and then the first few games of 2006 and then he has that one terrible game against Arizona and it seemed like he became that guy instead rather than just moving on from it.

but prior to that game he looked like a world-beater! still got them to the Super Bowl that year, but boy were they limping in

actually kind of amazing, he posted QB ratings of 98.6, 148, 100.5, 101.2 in four of his first five games.

In his last 11, he posted: 10.2, 36.8, 23.7, 1.3, 0.0

and yet every other game he played well, lol. very feast or famine

Kyle Orton's a dude who could never hold onto the job nowadays. even in this bad QBing season, you couldn't rely on the run game and defense as much as he had to.

that list makes me feel like *I* have CTE. did Dalton, Foles, and Siemian really start games for the Chicago Bears? I do not remember that at all.

I remembered Dalton. did not remember the other two

I do remember Dalton signing with them but forgot he actually started the season instead of Fields. now that I think about it he got hurt pretty quickly.

"he got hurt pretty quickly" seems to be the fate of everyone who lines up behind center in Chicago.

the biggest indictment of Bears QBs is to look at every single one objectively and ask if they were a disappointment or if they were surprisingly not bad. and the list of "better than expected" is basically only Grossman, Orton, and Kramer. And the best QB on the list is *still* Cutler, who has to be filed under "disappointment".

Is this the Chicago Bears thread? I watched the first episode of Hard Knox last night. I am back and forth between optimistic and almost sure this will be the last year I follow NFL.

you'd really think a Bears QB would have even accidentally thrown 30 TDs in a season by this point

fun stat I saw brought up when someone was joking about Rodgers joining the Bears:

Aaron Rodgers' 2024 season would have broken the Chicago Bears yardage record, tied for the second most TDs ever, and also would have been one of the best TD/INT ratios ever recorded for them too

of course this isn't to say Rodgers' 2024 was sneakily good but rather the fact that there are like 5-8 QBs every year who have seasons that would've shattered Bears records, which is crazy given this franchise is over 100 years old. like Sam D'Arnold's year would've been the greatest Chicago QB season in history by a wide margin

A QB who throws for 4000 yards and 30 TDs?

No sir , not on my Bears you don't

lol

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/45161794/caleb-williams-sought-way-going-chicago-bears

every Bears fan out there has gotta know that he's right but even still how do you cheer for a guy who says he'd much rather be on the Vikings