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gear (gear), Thursday, 26 January 2006 07:58 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah!

van igloo (van smack), Thursday, 26 January 2006 11:52 (nineteen years ago)

Those are some raggedy ass cheerleaders.

adam (adam), Thursday, 26 January 2006 16:06 (nineteen years ago)

Wait, are the Steelers one of the few teams who refuse to stoop to hiring torn up strippersprofessional cheerleaders??

Allyzay Rofflesberger (allyzay), Thursday, 26 January 2006 16:13 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah the Steelerettes were disbanded after 1969 apparently.

TOMBOT, Thursday, 26 January 2006 17:14 (nineteen years ago)

yeah they had the steelerettes in the 60s but that got scrapped. apparently the rooneys think it's corny. one thing i never quite get is how they almost never show nfl cheerleaders on tv (and it's not just some anti-cheerleader cuz they show them plenty during college games)(maybe they're just pervs - 'them chix is old enough to drink - GROSS!').

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j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 26 January 2006 17:14 (nineteen years ago)

do the chargers still dress their cheerleaders like actual cheerleaders (sweaters, pleated skirts, etc)? i mean i don't mind the 'waitress at a c&w stripjoint' look (i really really don't mind it) but i always admired that about the chargers.

j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 26 January 2006 17:16 (nineteen years ago)

The Lions used to use honest-to-goodess high school cheerleaders and they still might.

laurence kansas (lawrence kansas), Thursday, 26 January 2006 17:20 (nineteen years ago)

one thing i never quite get is how they almost never show nfl cheerleaders on tv

what?!?! guess we're not watching the same games or something.

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 26 January 2006 17:27 (nineteen years ago)

ok they show them but NOT NEARLY ENOUGH. and there's usually fucking graphics on the screen obstructing shit. also when they show the guys in the booth to show 'yes they're really at the game - and they wore ties!' they could use that time to show the cheerleaders. also during the pregames leave the audio of the analysts on but show the cheerleaders, i know what jimmy johnson looks like already.

j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 26 January 2006 17:46 (nineteen years ago)

I would really rather not see 99% of the cheerleaders. I've been to games in person. Creepy assless middle aged genetic copies. Maybe that's just the Redskins and Cardinals cheerleaders.

So Steelers, Giants, who else doesn't deem the girls worth the field???

Green Bay also does the "real" cheerleader unis things. Jimmy Mod and I discussed once how that's actually more pervy than the "traditional" Dallas Cowboys Cheerleaders rip off gear.

Allyzay Rofflesberger (allyzay), Thursday, 26 January 2006 17:54 (nineteen years ago)

Hahaha I just realized, what kind of sad, lame person is an Arizona Cardinals cheerleader? No wonder they looked so beat up.

Allyzay Rofflesberger (allyzay), Thursday, 26 January 2006 17:55 (nineteen years ago)

Browns = no cheeleaders, no logo, no wins.

laurence kansas (lawrence kansas), Thursday, 26 January 2006 17:56 (nineteen years ago)

yeah teh Lions don't have them cuz the Fords think it is "anti-family values" or something

so yeah, like laurence said .. they used to have high-school baton twirlers that would go into each end-zone during time-outs and twirl away ... I don't even think they have that anymore at Ford Field.

Stormy Davis (diamond), Thursday, 26 January 2006 18:13 (nineteen years ago)

The Jets have "flag boys" who run across the field after a td or pat.
LAMEZ

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Thursday, 26 January 2006 18:24 (nineteen years ago)

That's really tremendously gay.

Allyzay Rofflesberger (allyzay), Thursday, 26 January 2006 18:34 (nineteen years ago)

also when they show the guys in the booth to show 'yes they're really at the game - and they wore ties!'

Watching Joe Buck and Troy Aikman stand there in front of the FOX logo during the Seattle game made me think, "Hell, they could be in Burbank for all I know."

And ever since Peter Jennings freaked me out at one of the political conventions by turning off the arena crowd and showing the blue weatherman wall behind him, I don't trust any of those fuckers anymore.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Thursday, 26 January 2006 18:39 (nineteen years ago)

THEY ARE PROBABLY STANDING IN FRONT OF HOT BLUE-SCREEN COVERED CHEERLEADERS!!

Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Thursday, 26 January 2006 19:21 (nineteen years ago)

The Saintsations are the saddest cheerleaders in the NFL. They're always out of sync, sometimes one is facing the wrong way, they all look like they've got a couple kids at home.

adam (adam), Thursday, 26 January 2006 20:21 (nineteen years ago)

Like it's not bad enough you've had to have the Saints for these years, you have to have those women as well. OTOH you do have a logo, unlike the Browns.

Allyzay Rofflesberger (allyzay), Thursday, 26 January 2006 20:27 (nineteen years ago)

Are the Ben-Gals still around?

laurence kansas (lawrence kansas), Thursday, 26 January 2006 20:41 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.theonion.com/content/node/44839

Report: Colts Poised For Biggest Upset In Super Bowl History

DETROIT—Coaches, front-office executives, and players around the NFL all agree that an Indianapolis victory in Detroit next Sunday would result in the greatest underdog story in Super Bowl history, if not in all of sports. "After losing to Pittsburgh in the second round of the playoffs, for the Colts to come into Detroit and beat them—as well as the Panthers, their nominal opponent—that would almost certainly be the comeback of the century," said Bills general manager Marv Levy. "No one would ever dare say that Manning or Dungy couldn't win the big one after that. Yes, it's a long shot—the longest—but with the Steelers and Carolina concentrating on beating each other, Indy is perfectly poised to come from literally out of nowhere to complete their all-time greatest triumph." At press time, no member of the Colts would comment on the possibility of a Super Bowl victory, further fueling speculation of a colossal upset in the making.

Allyzay Rofflesberger (allyzay), Thursday, 26 January 2006 20:52 (nineteen years ago)

Carolina?

polyphonic (polyphonic), Thursday, 26 January 2006 20:59 (nineteen years ago)

Nation's Snowmen March Against Global Warming is the weakest one yet.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Thursday, 26 January 2006 21:18 (nineteen years ago)

falcons cheerleaders are hot. eagles cheerleaders are hot too, i like that the eagles site makes you click 'you must be age appropriate etc.' before you can get to the cheerleader part (for good reason). even skins cheerleaders are hotter than jimmy johnson.

j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 26 January 2006 21:37 (nineteen years ago)

dear god i need to get laid SOON.

j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 26 January 2006 21:38 (nineteen years ago)

ally or daver or whoever maybe just delete all my posts on this thread.

j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 26 January 2006 21:38 (nineteen years ago)

i know a couple of ex-carolina cheerleaders that might be down for something

gear (gear), Thursday, 26 January 2006 21:40 (nineteen years ago)

they might even get down for something.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Thursday, 26 January 2006 21:43 (nineteen years ago)

or go down.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Thursday, 26 January 2006 21:43 (nineteen years ago)

gear if you're talking about jaymc i'm not so interested. ymmv obv.

j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 26 January 2006 21:54 (nineteen years ago)

:)

j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 26 January 2006 21:54 (nineteen years ago)

If we're comparing cheerleaders to JIMMY JOHNSON, then yes, obv, cheerleaders win.

Allyzay Rofflesberger (allyzay), Thursday, 26 January 2006 21:57 (nineteen years ago)

you've never seen jaymc holding a pair of pom poms and wearing pale blue hot pants obv

gear (gear), Thursday, 26 January 2006 22:01 (nineteen years ago)

I am honored that Blount thought I was actually an admin on this board.

I am also in the "need some" market as well - any eager Eaglets out there on the prowl for some IT meat, please drive up I-95 to my palatial estate, and I will romance you w/ some hott comic book chat and Arizona Green Tea.

Hello.

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 26 January 2006 22:19 (nineteen years ago)

alright guys, this isn't craigslist casual encounters.

gear (gear), Thursday, 26 January 2006 22:20 (nineteen years ago)

MISSED CONNECTION, DEC 24:

YOU: ON YOUR OWN 17 YD LINE, THROWING A FOOTBALL, WEARING #10. YOU GOT INTERCEPTED BY A REDSKIN AND I FELT REAL BAD FOR YOU.

ME: GIRL IN SECT 113, ROW 12, KIND OF GETTING A BIT SICK AFTER HALFTIME, RED HAIR.

I REALLY LIKED U. IF U SAW ME U SHOULD EMAIL ME! LIKE, GET SOME COFFEE TOGETHER?? OK.

Allyzay Rofflesberger (allyzay), Thursday, 26 January 2006 22:24 (nineteen years ago)

jay schroeder just caught wood

j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 26 January 2006 22:28 (nineteen years ago)

Skip Bayless' new column. I hate this fucking guy!

DETROIT -- I'm writing this as I travel to my 31st consecutive Super Bowl.

This has always been my second favorite sports event -- The Masters wins by a single blade of Augusta National grass. But this year, the Super Bowl is beginning to feel like the Indy 500 without Danica.

Super Bowl XL is anything but Extra Large. For most fans who aren't Seahawks or Steelers fans, this matchup seems like it should be returned and exchanged.

If you love your Seahawks or your Steelers, please quit reading now. This isn't for you. This is for everyone else out there who is trying -- and trying -- to get excited about the NFL's showcase game. I sense less buzz about this Super Bowl than any I've attended. If any Roman-numeral game has ever deserved only one week of buildup, it was this one.

Super Bowl life ends at 40?

While Seahawks fans are sleepless in Seattle, media members are sleepy in Detroit. Somehow, the Seahawks and Steelers in Detroit seems like a consolation game. After three sensational weekends of playoffs, this is an anticlimax. Now we're paying the price for all those upsets.

How can these teams ever generate enough star power to live up to the telecast's Oscar-worthy commercials?

No Peyton or Brady or Vick or buzz.

No rivalry or bad blood or controversy or buzz.

Only zzz.

These Super Bowl highlights shouldn't be immortalized by the towering tones of John Facenda. Shelley Duval should narrate: "Once upon a time, there were two teams..."

The problem here is that, for the first time, the Super Bowl features two underdogs, two Cinderellas, two teams that came from nowhere on destiny-kissed rolls. One underdog can make for a can't-put-it-down script -- see some kid named Brady vs. Kurt Warner's "unstoppable" St. Louis Rams four years ago. But though this year's point spread is Pittsburgh by 4½, this feels like a game without a favorite.

The Steelers, the first sixth seed to make it to the Super Bowl, barely made the playoffs thanks to a fairly easy closing schedule. They beat Kyle Orton's Bears in a snowstorm in Pittsburgh, then took care of Minnesota, Cleveland and Detroit.

But would they have won their first playoff game, in Cincinnati, if Bengals quarterback Carson Palmer hadn't been hurt on his second play? Doubtful. Would they have finished off the season's most shocking upset, in Indianapolis, if Colts cornerback Nick Harper hadn't weaved back into a sprawling ankle tackle by Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger? No. Would the Steelers have been able to win in Foxborough if the Broncos hadn't upset the Patriots the week before in Denver? Highly doubtful. Would the Steelers have won in Denver if an early poor pass by Roethlisberger had been picked off in the flat by Champ Bailey and returned for a stadium-rocking touchdown? Probably not.

And now the AFC's sixth seed is favored over the NFC's top seed? This feels like a moderately interesting, Week 9 nonconference game.

Would the Seahawks have risen from 2-2 to home-field playoff advantage if Terrell Owens hadn't torn apart the Eagles? If Michael Vick hadn't regressed? If the Giants, Redskins and Cowboys hadn't been forced to do battle twice in the East and the Panthers, Bucs and Falcons hadn't beaten each other up in the South?

Things just kept breaking right for the Seahawks. Without bye weeks, the Redskins and Panthers were banged up before playoff games in Seattle -- where the Seahawks' 12th Man gives them the NFL's loudest and strongest home-field advantage.

Now we should write odes to a team whose MVP just might have been its fans? Who won't be much of a factor in Detroit?

A year ago, we had enough subplots to last us three weeks. We had the Belichick-Brady dynasty vs. the T.O.-McNabb Eagles. Would Owens' ankle and fibula miraculously heal in time for the game? Would Patriots enforcer Rodney Harrison separate Freddie Mitchell's head from his body after FredEx couldn't even remember his name?

I can't believe I'm writing this, but I'm starting to miss T.O.

This is a game without an established superstar -- unless you count Seattle left tackle Walter Jones, the lone cinch Hall of Famer. Pittsburgh's Jerome Bettis is not -- not after never leading his league in rushing and never having transcendent postseason impact. Bettis, a six-time Pro Bowl player, has been very good. Not great.

Bettis' returning to his hometown to play in his first Super Bowl in what probably is his final game is a nice story. But that doesn't make him Jim Brown or Walter Payton or O.J. Simpson or Emmitt Smith.

As much as I respect the Rooney family, I couldn't help chuckling the other day when Steelers owner Dan Rooney compared this team to the Terry Bradshaw team that won its first of four Super Bowls. Come on. That team had nine future Hall of Famers -- Bradshaw at that point being the least likely candidate.

Best case, this Steelers team has three candidates -- Bettis, Roethlisberger and Troy Polamalu.

Roethlisberger has the best chance of becoming this game's breakout Madison Avenue star. But as good as he is in his second season, it's laughable to hear angle-starved commentators already reaching to compare him with a young Marino or Elway. Calm down. Roethlisberger doesn't have Marino's trigger or Elway's mobility or either one's velocity. First let's see if Big Ben can beat the Seahawks.

Strictly from a football standpoint, this matchup is pretty intriguing. You have two pretty good, very hot teams that didn't play each other. Will the Seahawks be able to stand up to the spotlight and play as fast and furiously as they did at home? Will the "new" Steelers continue to be pass-first?

Whoops, another puncture in our Super Bowl balloon. The black-jerseyed, mud-and-blood Steelers often abandoned their running game early in their playoff road wins and opened up the offense and even resorted to trick plays. Though they're the Super Bowl home team, they've chosen to wear their white road jerseys. Now we don't even have a vaunted bully.

We have two very likable teams and coaches. We have Steelers coach Bill Cowher doing what a desperate, couldn't-win-the-big-one Mack Brown did at Texas -- backing off, loosening up, letting his young quarterback throw the ball. We have Seahawks coach Mike Holmgren, slipping off an early-season hot seat and now admitting he was beginning to doubt his ability.

You can't wait for Sunday, can you.

That's why I'm rooting for Steelers linebacker Joey Porter. Not in Sunday's game, but during Tuesday's media day. Porter is the only player on either team whose mouth is big enough to launch this game back into watercooler America's consciousness.

Please, Joey, say: "It's hard to get excited about playing the Seahawks. They wouldn't have made the playoffs in the AFC."

Please say: "Matt Hasselbeck has a lot of Jake Plummer in him. He rattles in big games."

Please say: "I guarantee we'll win by three touchdowns."

You're our only hope, Joey. Don't let us down.

gear (gear), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 02:13 (nineteen years ago)

Chuck Klosterman, i hate this guy too:

Monday, 1:54 p.m. ET
Something that's becoming clear (and perhaps predictably so) is the ferocity with which the NFL aspires to promote the concept of the Super Bowl, a goal that requires everyone involved (including you) to embrace a specific philosophical contradiction: On one hand, we are supposed to view Sunday's game as the most significant conflict since the Tet offensive, because only a game of that magnitude could warrant such an ostentatious display of hyper-accelerated Americanism; at the same time, we are forced to concede that the game itself is fundamentally meaningless, since nothing this mammoth and transcendent could possibly hinge on something as trivial as Hines Ward's proficiency at running the corner post. It's the kind of circular logic that drives the Patriot Act: This singular game is so important that it's (obviously) more important than any single game.

Here's (sort of) an example: There is a lot of Super Bowl merchandise available in this Renaissance Center, and throughout the city as a whole. This, obviously, is neither surprising nor problematic. But here's what always baffles me: Why would anyone buy a T-shirt (or a hat, or an ascot, or a waterproof matador cape) that merely promotes "Super Bowl XL"? An inordinate percentage of the available items in the Renaissance Center's gift kiosks do not feature the logos of the Seahawks or the Steelers; they generically advertise the abstract existence of a football game. This would be like going to see Marilyn Manson at Madison Square Garden and buying a $22 T-shirt that said, "THEATRICAL, DRUG-FUELED ROCK CONCERT." It reminds me of the nonspecific commercials TV networks like NBC run that promote the channel itself, almost as if they assume there are actually people who privately think, "I have no idea what's on television right now, but I better check NBC first. I get the impression they're especially confident about the quality of their current programming."

And yet ... I suppose all of this nondenominational Super Stuff inadvertently defines the aforementioned concept of the Super Bowl, unquestionably the most bipartisan athletic affair in modern culture. At every sporting event, there is a percentage of the audience who does not care who wins and who loses; the Super Bowl is probably the only major sporting event where this is true for the majority of its audience. Twenty minutes ago, I ran into a reporter named B.J. Reyes, a newspaper reporter from Hawaii who's working on a freelance story for That's Guangzhou magazine, an English language publication in China. Football is (apparently) growing in popularity over there, especially as a youth sport (although they don't play tackle, for some reason -- it's all flag). Weirdly, Philadelphia Eagle tight end Chad Lewis is the face of the NFL for the people of China. Lewis attended BYU (and because he subsequently did a Mormon missionary in Taiwan), he speaks Cantonese fluently. Consequently, Lewis has become the gridiron's Far East ambassador; when the Super Bowl was first broadcast in China, he simultaneously delivered both the play-by-play and the color commentary. Within the world's strongest socialist regime, Chad Lewis is Brent Musburger.

Reyes told me that -- for the third year in a row -- the Super Bowl is scheduled to be televised in Guangzhou on a one-hour delay, which means it's essentially live, but it's on the air at something like 7 a.m. I'm guessing the game will be watched by one percent of the local populace, which (though I could be wrong) is approximately 67 billion people. And I'm sure these people won't care what happens. But perhaps they'll understand the concept, even if I do not.

Monday, 10:23 a.m. ET
DETROIT -- I am currently typing in ESPN's Detroit command center, which essentially means I am on the 18th floor of a very confusing building that is (apparently) supposed to signify the city's renaissance, inasmuch as the facility is actively called The Renaissance Center. This is a universe without corners; The Renaissance Center is essentially four cylindrical skyscrapers that provide no sense of geometric order. I keep hoping to bump into Ron Jaworski; I have no doubt he could enthusiastically explain the logic of this structure, as well as detailing what I should do if I step out of an elevator and everyone in the food court has dropped into Cover 2.

It's oddly quiet here on the 18th floor; there are about 14 dudes in one room and all of them are staring at laptop computers. Two people are talking about Brett Favre's possible retirement, and I occasionally hear John Clayton's dulcet voice mention something abstract about free agency. Everyone is understated; somehow, I anticipated more physicality. Thus far, I have exchanged a playful forearm shiver with absolutely no one.

There is apparently an ESPN "Global Planning Meeting" at 11 a.m.; there are several sheets of paper on the walls proclaiming this event. I suspect this meeting will be where ESPN (a) plots how to cover the Super Bowl and (b) decides how it will respond to the Palestinian elections (I say we play hard to get). It's weird being here, because everybody knows each other, and I don't know anyone, and everyone has work to do, and I have nothing to offer; all I can really do is look at the Internet and check the results from the SAG awards. I see that the big winner was "Crash," a movie designed for people in Los Angeles who just figured out that racism was "complex" (and must therefore be secretly central to every conversation any two Americans ever have). I wish one of the bears from "Grizzly Man" would eat Matt Dillon and Ludacris.

In other news, an intriguing dynamic is beginning to emerge within the hearts and minds of the Motor City. The local Detroit media appear obsessed with two diametrically opposed scenarios: The first is that Super Bowl XL is going to prove their community is a vibrant, dynamic metropolis with limitless resources and underrated energy; the second is that hosting this Super Bowl will prompt everyone in the national media to mercilessly criticize the totality of the metro area at every possible opportunity.

Detroit is like a 16-year-old girl who just paid $110 for the haircut she always wanted, but now she's driving to school and checking herself in the rearview mirror, and she's starting to suspect that she looks a little like Tawny Kitaen on the cover of "Out of the Cellar." Kids can be cruel, rockers.

Sunday, 11:30 p.m. ET
Here is a true story about Detroit that happened to somebody who isn't me: A man employed at one of the city's two major newspapers exited his downtown Detroit office to go home and drink a glass of wine; he worked the late shift, so it was already around midnight. The journalist adjusted his glasses and chatted on his cellular telephone, briskly striding down the sidewalk toward the company parking lot.

Suddenly, an unknown car pulled up beside the journalist, screeching to a halt; a large gentleman emerged from behind its steering wheel. This unknown gentleman walked over to the newspaperman and wordlessly punched him in the face, knocking him to the ground. "Get up," said the puncher. "Get up!" The newspaperman did not get up, as he suspected following these directions would result in more face punching. "Get up," the unknown assailant repeated. "Get up! You know what this is about! You know what this is about!"
The puncher kept making demands, but the victim's terror slowly morphed into mild confusion; to the best of his recollection, he had done nothing to warrant an unannounced pummeling.

"I think you have the wrong guy," he said, still crouching on the Michigan pavement. "I've never seen you before. I was just walking to my car. You are hitting the wrong guy." The journalist peered up at his attacker; the attacker looked down at his victim's face. It immediately became clear the puncher was, in fact, punching the wrong dude. Obviously, this was an awkward situation. The puncher uttered an expletive, returned to this vehicle, and fled the scene. The newspaperman found his cell phone, readjusted his glasses, and found himself oddly unsurprised by the event that had transpired. This, after all, was his hometown.

It's great to be in Detroit.

When ESPN asked me to cover Super Bowl XL, I was hesitant. I have a lot on my plate these days: I'm developing a sitcom for UPN about Antonio Davis' wife (it is tentatively titled "Oh No You Did Not Just Use The Metric System!" and is slated to star Wanda Sykes). I'm also trying to reenergize the tourist economy of New Orleans with "unconventional" humanitarian Anna Benson (she's like a cross between Thomas Paine and Albert Schweitzer, plus a killer rack). I enjoy watching football, but I also enjoy contributing to the actualization of society; in gambling terminology, this is what we refer to as a push. However, I eventually came to my senses: I simply could not pass up the chance to spend a week in hyper-sexy Detroit (the so-called "Houston of the North") in order to hear 140,000 sportswriters explain why Jerome Bettis is a class act.

The Super Bowl represents different things to different people. To some, it is akin to a secular holiday -- a drunken, three-hour Christmas for those who hate Jesus. To others, it is simply the annual matchup between the finest pro football team in the American Conference and the finest pro football team in the National Conference; mysteriously, that is not the case this season, as both teams are from the AFC.

But regardless of how you feel, one question demands consideration: What does the Super Bowl mean to me? What does the Super Bowl represent to Chuck Klosterman, a random writer you have never met and (in all likelihood) have never even heard of? That is the quandary that has America talking. And that is the quandary I will attempt to answer through this sporadically updated weblog, a process Arctic Monkeys fans like to call "blogging."

I have never "blogged" before, and people sometimes ask me why I do not have a "blog." The short answer is: "For pretty much the same reason I don't own a dog." If you're interested in the long answer as to why I do not "blog," you will have to read my blog, located at whyidonothaveablog@blogspot.gov (please leave comments and trackbacks!). As you might anticipate, I'm rather stoked about this new venture, as it will allow me to do the following "blog-o-centric" things:

Create useless slang for retarded hipsters.

Link to 70-track collections of Paul Stanley stage banter.

Post semi-nude photos of a young Cloris Leachman.

I guarantee this will be the greatest one-week sports blog ever written, or at least the best one since Jacqueline Susann's unforgettable blogging of the 1967 Ice Bowl. If this is not the best sports blog you have ever read, I will personally drive to your home, clean your garage, wash your car, shingle your doghouse with pancakes, and blow up your children with dynamite. That is my guarantee.

I shall not Vander-jack this opportunity; like Kobe against the Raptors, I am Napoleon Solo (i.e., unstoppable one-on-one). So, wassup, rockers? Do you (metaphorically) feel me? It's time we all embrace a little game I like to call North American football. It's time to make keen references to Shaun Alexander's addled skull. It's time to get punched by random strangers. This is Super Bowl XL. And I am ready.

gear (gear), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 02:17 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah that Bayless column was total ass. I read that earlier and was just like, "there's 5 minutes of my life I'll never get back."

he tries to front like he's this massive football fan or something. dude, if you are a football fan, you are excited about the Super Bowl. period. the Super Bowl is the Super Bowl. He's just pissed because he actually has to try to think about something to write about -- o no! column doesn't write itself -- and so failing that, he just writes about how he can't think of anything to write about.

So proud that Chicago ran him out of town. everyone in this town threw a party when he took his ball and left.

Stormy Davis (diamond), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 03:59 (nineteen years ago)

Scrolling past those posts are 10 seconds of my life gone forever. THANKS GEAR!

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 04:06 (nineteen years ago)

Would JFK have lived had he not been shot three times in the head? Maybe. Would the crew of the Colombia had survived if their shuttle hadn't exploded? Somehow. Would jabbing a pair of scissors through my left eye blind me? Not absolutely. Would my aunt be my uncle if she had a dick between her legs? Probably.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 05:25 (nineteen years ago)

next person who posts skip bayliss i'm posting colin cowhere transcripts. I AM NOT FUCKING AROUND HERE.

j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 05:45 (nineteen years ago)

COWHERD

j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 05:46 (nineteen years ago)

For fuck's sake DON'T MAKE HIM DO IT. I have to hear Cowherd turn trucks for some landscaping company on ESPN Radio (because that loudmouth shitwit lives about 10 minutes from me) - I'd rather have Jim Rome palpating my testes.

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 06:11 (nineteen years ago)

TRICKS. Turn TRICKS.

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 06:11 (nineteen years ago)

"But would they have won their first playoff game, in Cincinnati, if Bengals quarterback Carson Palmer hadn't been hurt on his second play? Doubtful. Would they have finished off the season's most shocking upset, in Indianapolis, if Colts cornerback Nick Harper hadn't weaved back into a sprawling ankle tackle by Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger? No. Would the Steelers have been able to win in Foxborough if the Broncos hadn't upset the Patriots the week before in Denver? Highly doubtful. Would the Steelers have won in Denver if an early poor pass by Roethlisberger had been picked off in the flat by Champ Bailey and returned for a stadium-rocking touchdown? Probably not."

Ha ha ha holy fuck WHAT DOES THIS EVEN MEAN. Would the Steelers have won all their playoff games if the other teams outscored them? Highly improbable!!

can we just rename this forum 'skip bayless - whatta cocksucker'

Milhouse is not a meme. But 'Milhouse is not a meme' IS a meme. (Adrian Langston, Tuesday, 31 January 2006 12:01 (nineteen years ago)

Pittsburgh resorting to trick plays shockah!

Pittsburgh has ran a trick play in every game of Cowher's coaching career for heaven's sake.

laurence kansas (lawrence kansas), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 14:10 (nineteen years ago)

Roethlisberger doesn't have Marino's trigger or Elway's mobility or either one's velocity. First let's see if Big Ben can beat the Seahawks.

Hahaha like Marino beat the Niners??

Allyzay Rofflesberger (allyzay), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 15:24 (nineteen years ago)

Seriously that's the worst writing I've ever read.

Allyzay Rofflesberger (allyzay), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 15:25 (nineteen years ago)

I mean, Michael Vick is still buzz in his world??

Allyzay Rofflesberger (allyzay), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 15:26 (nineteen years ago)

JEROME BETTIS IS NOT JIM BROWN I CANNOT BEAR TO WATCH THIS GAME

laurence kansas (lawrence kansas), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 15:28 (nineteen years ago)

Skip's still waiting for Johnny U's comeback.

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 15:31 (nineteen years ago)

NO VICK NO CREDIBILITY

laurence kansas (lawrence kansas), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 15:33 (nineteen years ago)

It's a shame that the Giants had to play the Redskins and Cowboys twice this season, otherwise they would've had home field advantage in the playoffs.

laurence kansas (lawrence kansas), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 15:42 (nineteen years ago)

I am seriously just getting really, really pissed off that apparently Skip goes to Detroit to cover the game and I'll be sitting at a bar on Sunday, chillin and not getting paid for MY opinions on the game, which are a damn sight better than "If Roethlisberger's head exploded violently on the field during the game-that-didn't-happen with the Patriots, would Brady have sucked my dick? Unlikely."

Allyzay Rofflesberger (allyzay), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 15:42 (nineteen years ago)

If Zeus had went into renal failure before the Colts game and Ben had to donate a kidney to save his life would the Steelers have won? Most Assuredly Not

laurence kansas (lawrence kansas), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 15:56 (nineteen years ago)

pls start a "worst football analysis" thread, let's keep this one about SUPER BOWL XL. thanks.

also, klosterman should be marked for death.

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 17:17 (nineteen years ago)

what would you like to discuss about SUPER BOWL XL? What is yr opinion, of the Steelers and their white jerseys?

Allyzay Rofflesberger (allyzay), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 17:31 (nineteen years ago)

what's with that klosterman homo anyway, i thought he was a rockcrit.

Milhouse is not a meme. But 'Milhouse is not a meme' IS a meme. (Adrian Langston, Tuesday, 31 January 2006 17:47 (nineteen years ago)

i'm more a black jersey dude.

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 18:01 (nineteen years ago)

Me too but I've gotten so used to the white ones now. Also why mess with success, etc.

Allyzay Rofflesberger (allyzay), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 18:06 (nineteen years ago)

true dat.

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 18:22 (nineteen years ago)

just nostalgic for this era:

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 18:23 (nineteen years ago)

Hines Ward Loves His Momma

Ward to Honor Devoted Mom With Trip Home
By ALAN ROBINSON, AP Sports WriterTue Jan 31, 4:05 AM ET

Hines Ward is taking the trip of an NFL player's lifetime to the Super Bowl. It's the visit he's wanted to make since first playing youth football in Atlanta and, because of two AFC championship game losses, one he feared he might never achieve.

As much as reaching Detroit means to the Pittsburgh Steelers' four-time Pro Bowl receiver, the journey he takes in April will be equally significant for a much different reason.

For the first time in his adult life, Ward is traveling back to South Korea. One of the few Asian-heritage stars in NFL history, he's planning a two-week vacation there accompanied by the mother, Kim Young-hee, who came to America in the 1970s to be with her GI husband.

To the 29-year-old Ward, traveling to a country where the NFL is barely known represents much more than a chance to do some sightseeing, to be introduced to a culture he has been told about but has never seen in person.

This is about saying thanks to a mother who didn't know English when she moved to the United States, but knew of things far more important: the value of trust, honesty, hard work, loyalty.

And, most of all, of love.

"My mom is why I'm here today," Ward said Monday, shortly after the Steelers arrived in Detroit. "My mom worked her tail off for me. She taught me how important it is to work hard. I'm not here if it's not for my mom."

Even if, Ward said, smiling, "She's a nervous wreck this week."

Ward, the Steelers' record holder with 574 career catches, never needs much provocation to become teary-eyed. Teammates still kid him about breaking down last year because he was upset Jerome Bettis might retire without playing in a Super Bowl.

To really bring out the emotions in Ward, one needs only to mention his mother. Ward invariably gets misty-eyed talking about her, as if he can't believe how lucky someone could be to have a mother like his.

"She means everything to me," Ward said.

Kim Young-hee must feel the same way about her son.

Shortly after coming to the United States, she and her husband divorced, leaving her in a country whose culture and language she didn't understand, and with a young son and no way to support him.

Then it got worse.

According to Ward, a court determined she could not suitably raise Hines without being able to speak English or hold a job. As a result, Ward's father and a new stepmother were awarded custody of Hines. It was a devastating blow to Ward's mother, who could have been forgiven for giving up and moving back home to Korea.

Remarkably, she didn't. And when Hines was in the second grade, he ran away from his father and returned to the mother he had never forgotten, and never left again until he went to Georgia to play football.

To raise Hines, Kim Young-hee often worked three jobs nearly around the clock, taking breaks only to sleep for a few hours and to go home to get her son up in the morning and make sure he had dinner.

She washed dishes, cleaned hotel rooms, worked as a cashier. Nothing was for her — her only concern was making sure her son had clean clothes, food and the best home life she could provide, even if it wasn't a high-income lifestyle.

Ward didn't have a father to lean on — he says he has no communication with him today — but he did have direction. Even as his football career took off at Forest Park High near Atlanta, his mother made him concentrate on academics, and Ward received excellent grades.

His mother also taught him about the importance of a work ethic — lessons he took to the football field where, out of necessity, he played wide receiver, quarterback and running back in college. (A long-forgotten stat: As a quarterback, Ward passed for 413 yards and ran for 56 yards in the Peach Bowl.)

When Ward came to the NFL as a third-round draft pick in 1998 but, in essence, a man without a position, he threw himself into his work. Determined to create a role for himself, he quickly became the NFL's best blocking wide receiver, helping him earn playing time until he became a starter a year later.

Ward's background may explain why he often plays with an edge uncommon for a skill position player. And, perhaps, why his mother kept working her school cafeteria job even after Ward signed his first million-dollar NFL contract.

"My mom never gave up," Ward said. "She did everything she could for me, worked three jobs. She worked her tail off."

Ward's name in Korean is tattooed on his upper right forearm, directly above a smiling Mighty Mouse carrying a football. The smile, he said, reflects how he plays: with ferocity, a will to win but also for fun, another lesson learned from his mother.

"I could never pay my mother back for what she did for me," Ward said.

mookieproof (mookieproof), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 21:14 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.deadspin.com/sports/firstbenpicture.jpg

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 22:13 (nineteen years ago)

Why is Hillary Clinton dressed like that???

Allyzay Rofflesberger (allyzay), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 22:40 (nineteen years ago)

Madden 06 has The Steelers winning 24-19, with Alexander only gaining 70 yards and fumbling in the second quarter. Hasselbeck gets sacked 4 times and Bettis is MVP with 2 TDs + 41 yards.

TOMBOT, Wednesday, 1 February 2006 16:19 (nineteen years ago)

Steelers are giving 4.5 points. Madden KNOWS ALL.

laurence kansas (lawrence kansas), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 16:58 (nineteen years ago)

btw, has it been mentioned yet that BILL BELICHICK IS DOING THE FUCKNIG ABC PREGAME???

Milhouse is not a meme. But 'Milhouse is not a meme' IS a meme. (Adrian Langston, Thursday, 2 February 2006 22:07 (nineteen years ago)

!!!

This has just increased my anticipated alcohol intake 3x

laurence kansas (lawrence kansas), Thursday, 2 February 2006 22:10 (nineteen years ago)

dude seriously. i'm actually pretty excited about it, i've always thought he was hilarious in his own deadpan kind of way.

of course now i'm pissed that the pregame is on at the same time as the PUPPY BOWL. FUCK U PUPPIES.

Milhouse is not a meme. But 'Milhouse is not a meme' IS a meme. (Adrian Langston, Thursday, 2 February 2006 22:16 (nineteen years ago)

does this mean bon jovi is playing the pregame?

j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 2 February 2006 22:32 (nineteen years ago)

oh fuck that, puppy bowl wins over Bellychick every time. I mean, PUPPIES v MEAN OLD MAN ts?

Allyzay Rofflesberger (allyzay), Thursday, 2 February 2006 22:37 (nineteen years ago)

Skip Bayless is at it again.

van igloo (van smack), Friday, 3 February 2006 03:15 (nineteen years ago)

do tell

gear (gear), Friday, 3 February 2006 05:10 (nineteen years ago)

or better, don't.

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 3 February 2006 15:21 (nineteen years ago)

Or best, post it in that other thread.

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 3 February 2006 15:22 (nineteen years ago)

GUYS

PALOMALU

INJURED

HIS

ANKLE

!!!

Allyzay Rofflesberger (allyzay), Friday, 3 February 2006 15:54 (nineteen years ago)

He's "probable"

TOMBOT, Friday, 3 February 2006 15:59 (nineteen years ago)

huh?

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 3 February 2006 16:16 (nineteen years ago)

in practice. Teams need to be not practicing!

Allyzay Rofflesberger (allyzay), Friday, 3 February 2006 16:32 (nineteen years ago)

this is some cowher headfuck shit, like listing rofflesberger as probable because of his thumb or whatever. at least i hope so.

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 3 February 2006 16:49 (nineteen years ago)

Polamalu will play, duh.

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Friday, 3 February 2006 17:10 (nineteen years ago)

yeah no one said otherwise, duh.

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 3 February 2006 17:39 (nineteen years ago)

what?

TOMBOT, Friday, 3 February 2006 18:00 (nineteen years ago)

Stencil's just flexing.

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Friday, 3 February 2006 19:38 (nineteen years ago)

guys guys let's be cool and all pray together for Palomalu's healthy recovery.

Allyzay Rofflesberger (allyzay), Friday, 3 February 2006 20:05 (nineteen years ago)

amen

laurence kansas (lawrence kansas), Friday, 3 February 2006 20:07 (nineteen years ago)

The hair has HEALING POWERS

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Friday, 3 February 2006 20:18 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.nyrock.com/img/2000/joni2b.jpg

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Friday, 3 February 2006 20:39 (nineteen years ago)

Oops, sorry about the Bayless thing. It was just another tired article on the "Sea-frauds"

van igloo (van smack), Saturday, 4 February 2006 03:11 (nineteen years ago)

For those that are interested, here's the article: http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=seahawks/debate

van igloo (van smack), Saturday, 4 February 2006 03:31 (nineteen years ago)

HOW FUCKING FLY DID THE STEELERS LOOK IN THEM SUITS?

j blount (papa la bas), Sunday, 5 February 2006 20:46 (nineteen years ago)

Alexander is only the third RB to win the league rushing title and appear in the SB in the same year (Terrell Davis and Emmitt Smith are the others). I can't be the only person who's shocked by this.

NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Sunday, 5 February 2006 22:23 (nineteen years ago)

I liked Steve Young's PIT = Mike Tyson, SEA = Muhammad Ali analogy.

truck-patch pixel farmer (my crop froze in the field) (Rock Hardy), Sunday, 5 February 2006 23:10 (nineteen years ago)

I don't really watch football but I'd just like to say how nice it is to see so many smiles of genuine happiness today


Free Mumia

Dan I. (Dan I.), Sunday, 5 February 2006 23:26 (nineteen years ago)

Commercials:

Burger King: 3/10
FedEx/Dinosaurs: 7
Bud Light/Bear: 3

truck-patch pixel farmer (my crop froze in the field) (Rock Hardy), Sunday, 5 February 2006 23:51 (nineteen years ago)

Diet Pepsi/Diddy/Mohr: 8

truck-patch pixel farmer (my crop froze in the field) (Rock Hardy), Sunday, 5 February 2006 23:53 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.weirfield.co.uk/19.05.04/Osprey%20(3).JPG

gabbneb (gabbneb), Sunday, 5 February 2006 23:59 (nineteen years ago)

WOAH

Snowy Mann (rdmanston), Monday, 6 February 2006 00:00 (nineteen years ago)

very subtle with the anti-Brokeback there, Anheuser-Busch

gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 6 February 2006 00:13 (nineteen years ago)

Aleve/Nimoy: 1
Ameriquest/Defibrillator: 5
Bud Light/Roof: 3
Diet Pepsi/Jackie Chan: 2
Budweiser/Streaker: 2
Mobile ESPN: 2
Careerbuilder.com: 7 (chimps can't miss)

truck-patch pixel farmer (my crop froze in the field) (Rock Hardy), Monday, 6 February 2006 00:18 (nineteen years ago)

Ameriquest/Defibrillator: 0
FedEx/Dinosaurs: 7
Kermit/Ford: 8.5

gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 6 February 2006 00:30 (nineteen years ago)

Rofflesburger/Hail Mary/WTF?: 8

truck-patch pixel farmer (my crop froze in the field) (Rock Hardy), Monday, 6 February 2006 00:35 (nineteen years ago)

Kermit/Ford: 4.5

truck-patch pixel farmer (my crop froze in the field) (Rock Hardy), Monday, 6 February 2006 00:37 (nineteen years ago)

Fed Ex was best so far.

Kermit should not schill for cars.

Jimmy Mod (I myself am lethal at 100 -110dB) (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Monday, 6 February 2006 00:45 (nineteen years ago)

Enough with the clydsdales playing football.

Jimmy Mod (I myself am lethal at 100 -110dB) (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Monday, 6 February 2006 00:45 (nineteen years ago)

that call was some bullshit

gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 6 February 2006 00:46 (nineteen years ago)

That dude was stuffed like an olive.

truck-patch pixel farmer (my crop froze in the field) (Rock Hardy), Monday, 6 February 2006 00:47 (nineteen years ago)

Seattle clock management: 0
Sprint/Crime Deterrent: 0

truck-patch pixel farmer (my crop froze in the field) (Rock Hardy), Monday, 6 February 2006 01:01 (nineteen years ago)

Robert Palmer is dead.

Jimmy Mod (I myself am lethal at 100 -110dB) (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Monday, 6 February 2006 01:06 (nineteen years ago)

i like the "joe meek after he died" mix job 4 th stones

dan bunnybrain (dan bunnybrain), Monday, 6 February 2006 01:09 (nineteen years ago)

(ok so here this is on a different channel to the regular season, which means instead of c5's endearingly inept Green Bay Allstars we have Dhani Jones dressed as dude from Black Eyed Peas and um Martin Johnson well rugby is nearly the same right right?) (Pittburgh by eleven)

Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Monday, 6 February 2006 01:10 (nineteen years ago)

jgger is so hot

dan bunnybrain (dan bunnybrain), Monday, 6 February 2006 01:11 (nineteen years ago)

no deadman cum :(

j blount (papa la bas), Monday, 6 February 2006 01:11 (nineteen years ago)

jagger fucking rules

j blount (papa la bas), Monday, 6 February 2006 01:11 (nineteen years ago)

Hello we are teh rolling stones can we have our check now?

(an aside: the last two halftime shows have been british)

Jimmy Mod (I myself am lethal at 100 -110dB) (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Monday, 6 February 2006 01:11 (nineteen years ago)

ronnie is htt

dan bunnybrain (dan bunnybrain), Monday, 6 February 2006 01:12 (nineteen years ago)

quick finale pick:satisfaction?

dan bunnybrain (dan bunnybrain), Monday, 6 February 2006 01:13 (nineteen years ago)

its kinda sad that jagger looks like he can outrun me

dan bunnybrain (dan bunnybrain), Monday, 6 February 2006 01:14 (nineteen years ago)

so does chrlee for that matter

dan bunnybrain (dan bunnybrain), Monday, 6 February 2006 01:15 (nineteen years ago)

that riff is relentless

dan bunnybrain (dan bunnybrain), Monday, 6 February 2006 01:17 (nineteen years ago)

that was way better than th strokes

dan bunnybrain (dan bunnybrain), Monday, 6 February 2006 01:18 (nineteen years ago)

Distey World: 8+

Jimmy Mod (I myself am lethal at 100 -110dB) (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Monday, 6 February 2006 01:25 (nineteen years ago)

Shaun Alexander cradles the lombardi trophy like a homo

Jimmy Mod (I myself am lethal at 100 -110dB) (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Monday, 6 February 2006 01:26 (nineteen years ago)

hey motherfucker willie parker how come you didn't do that during the season

also: seattle gettign jobbed buyt who cares

also: i've had a vew beders

Haikunym (Haikunym), Monday, 6 February 2006 01:33 (nineteen years ago)

Ameriquest/Plane: 5
Motorola/PEBL: 8
Sharpie: 2

truck-patch pixel farmer (my crop froze in the field) (Rock Hardy), Monday, 6 February 2006 01:37 (nineteen years ago)

Bud/Baby Clydesdale: 2
Nationwide/Fabio: 6.5
NFL Mobile: 4.5
Hummer H3: 5
PS Disinfectant: 0, most unmemorable Super Bowl commercial ever
Careerbuilder/Jackasses: 5
Taco Bell/Look of Love: 1
Toyota/Tide: 6.9, beyond the other side of stupid and into clever

truck-patch pixel farmer (my crop froze in the field) (Rock Hardy), Monday, 6 February 2006 02:04 (nineteen years ago)

wtf is going on with these officials ?

Snowy Mann (rdmanston), Monday, 6 February 2006 02:25 (nineteen years ago)

ooooooooooooo

Jimmy Mod (I myself am lethal at 100 -110dB) (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Monday, 6 February 2006 02:28 (nineteen years ago)

Sprint/Benny Hill: 5.5
Emerald Nuts: 0
Bud/Stadium Cards: 5
Mastercard/McGyver: 8
Hines Ward jumping like a little kid as he went into the end zone: priceless

truck-patch pixel farmer (my crop froze in the field) (Rock Hardy), Monday, 6 February 2006 02:32 (nineteen years ago)

i'm surprised an official didn't run that back for a touchdown

Snowy Mann (rdmanston), Monday, 6 February 2006 02:34 (nineteen years ago)

Yosemite Sam/mudflap girl: 6, although I already forgot who the automaker was
Herestobeer.com: 4
World Baseball Classic: 2 (the flags superimposing themselves on the players' faces was kinda gross)

truck-patch pixel farmer (my crop froze in the field) (Rock Hardy), Monday, 6 February 2006 02:44 (nineteen years ago)

was that ref trying to recover a fumble?

J. Lamphere (WatchMeJumpStart), Monday, 6 February 2006 02:47 (nineteen years ago)

my son says: "remember the REAL score. and they're the best in their league."

Haikunym (Haikunym), Monday, 6 February 2006 03:03 (nineteen years ago)

"their league" = cfl

j blount (papa la bas), Monday, 6 February 2006 03:04 (nineteen years ago)

squawks shoulda remembered the REAL clock

j blount (papa la bas), Monday, 6 February 2006 03:05 (nineteen years ago)

roffle

Jimmy Mod (I myself am lethal at 100 -110dB) (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Monday, 6 February 2006 03:06 (nineteen years ago)

haha blount you are so funneeeee, but you are still making fun of them after they outplayed* yr bluecollar steelers?

*okay, mostly

Haikunym (Haikunym), Monday, 6 February 2006 03:09 (nineteen years ago)

Wow, did Holmgren leave the field without congratulating Cowher?

also:

Steelers by 11, and I don't need my lucky quarter to tell me.

truck-patch pixel farmer (my crop froze in the field) (Rock Hardy), Monday, 6 February 2006 03:09 (nineteen years ago)

haha is it true matt's son got sonned by a witeboy in a jurevicious beef?
they ain't my steelers! i mean i picked them and won 50 bucks thanks to holmgren not going for that fg late, but i'm all falcons. i felt sortsa bad for the squawks cuz man that crowd was clearly for pitt plus they got some calls go bad against them though nothing historic, nothing like what the steelers overcame a few weeks back. lynn swann looked like a total douchebag coming outta that tunnel, franco harris fucking badass coming out nonchalant and then pulling the towl out the pocket, i loved how at least half those dudes looked pissed off as hell walking out that tunnel. i didn't get drunk :(, i ate too much like nine wings and the burger and some chz fries and i only had 3 blue moons and i think belgian white doesn't get you drunk or something. i'm too fat for drunk. stat you hear all the time athens btw: hines ward is the steelers all time leading receiver (in yards i think). he's a totally standup dude btw. anyhow i gotta find out where yr boy willie parker went to school cuz my sister's bf says nc state and i'm like he's a tarheel, ten bucks on it. stoked for heigl's anatomy.

j blount (papa la bas), Monday, 6 February 2006 03:19 (nineteen years ago)

worst year for commercials that i can remember, sofa king boring. i had pretty low expectations for this game, but i didn't think that the stones would be the highlight! (sorta damning w/faint praise, but they seriously were awesome) i guess i'm glad HW got the mvp, i was afraid 'berger would get it. (also lol@squawkz)

Milhouse is not a meme. But 'Milhouse is not a meme' IS a meme. (Adrian Langston, Monday, 6 February 2006 03:23 (nineteen years ago)

i felt bad for the seahawks cuz of those bad breaks and the awful yella crowd, but at the same time i didn't really feel like they could've won it or anything. if they'd capitalised on pitt's mistakes and made fewer of their own it would've been closer, but it basically seemed like they played about as well as they could? tom brady grinning each time the crowd booed him was lol (as was ray lewis hanging his head in shame), like he was just thinking about all the supermodels he's gonna bang tonight. fuck lynn swann's corny ass

Milhouse is not a meme. But 'Milhouse is not a meme' IS a meme. (Adrian Langston, Monday, 6 February 2006 03:27 (nineteen years ago)

i hope this means we never have to take matt hasselbeck seriously again.

Milhouse is not a meme. But 'Milhouse is not a meme' IS a meme. (Adrian Langston, Monday, 6 February 2006 03:29 (nineteen years ago)

you win money, willie p is a tarheel yo. sammy and I had fun watching the game despite our slight disappointment, only had two beers because I only had four because I'm saving one for "grey's anatomy" and another for "flavor of love"

Haikunym (Haikunym), Monday, 6 February 2006 03:37 (nineteen years ago)

FEBRUARY 2006: WHAT A GREAT MONTH

mookieproof (mookieproof), Monday, 6 February 2006 04:11 (nineteen years ago)

ALSO: did you see dan rooney bumping fists with (i think) joey porter?

mookieproof (mookieproof), Monday, 6 February 2006 04:14 (nineteen years ago)

Why didn't Seattle appeal the weird Hasselbank blocking penalty call? I mean even if there was a penalty they'd clearly keep the timeout 'cos it was called on the wrong player right?

Best NFL International Feed moment: "that looked more like a scrum! A lot of you will be familiar with that, of course, because of European Football, soccer." (also the uk-specific announcer not knowing how many points a touchdown was worth was pretty classic.)

Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Monday, 6 February 2006 04:15 (nineteen years ago)

Blount you misspelled Hegel.

xpost - greg, that was a non-challengeable play.

c(''c) (Leee), Monday, 6 February 2006 04:22 (nineteen years ago)

That horseshit broke-the-plane TD before the half (+ Kris Brown kicking like Steeler Kris Brown) won me $20. I think the Steelers winning got me an extra $50 for my online poker account, too - I will celebrate by pissing it away before I go to sleep. I was playing Shotglass Roulette during halftime, and did 3 shots of Cuervo, so no Stones did I see. Spent the 2nd half standing up so I wouldn't rolf. The intro to Grey's Anatomy was NICE. This could very well be the best birthday weekend I will ever have. That I spent most of it shitfaced is probably the #1 reason for its awesomeness. Also, implied lesbionic showering. Kudos, Pittsburgh, & godspeed.

PS - I am still a little blotto, but clearly not blotto enough, damn it.

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 6 February 2006 04:27 (nineteen years ago)

good game! I enjoyed it. Certainly not a classic for the ages but a decently entertaining game. Happy for Pittsburgh -- big up ya chest rust belt brethren -- happy for Bus, happy for Cowher, happy for my high school buddy Gabe Parra who has been a massive Steeler fan his whole life, happy for Detroit - the city looked good. Oh, and the Stones totally rocked. that was sweet. Ronny sounded gnarly with some of that slide stuff on "Rough Justice". cute that they cut "dead man come" and "cocks".

I didn't think the reffing was that egregious -- I initally thought Ben didn't make it, but you know what- after watching a couple replays I really do think that nose got in there before he was brought down. similarly, at first I thought that PI call on DJ was total BS -- but you know what, after looking again I think he uses enough force with that arm that the Pitt defender is kind of "out of the play", you know? Sure it's total puss for that to even be the rule -- but hey, that's today's NFL, and if that IS the rule, then ya gotta enforce it ... it was close enough to be a "hey waitaminute" play to throw the flag I guess. If Seattle wanted to win they should have cut down on the 75 yard TD runs, it's a simple as that

Stormy Davis (diamond), Monday, 6 February 2006 04:29 (nineteen years ago)

Worst officiated game ever.

Fact.

Swirl, Monday, 6 February 2006 06:45 (nineteen years ago)

someone's never seen a big ten or sec officiating team in action.

fact.

j blount (papa la bas), Monday, 6 February 2006 07:01 (nineteen years ago)

At last gameday is here
Far-flung Steelers Nation makes its pilgrimage to Detroit for football's grandest theater
Sunday, February 05, 2006

By Robert Dvorchak, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Steeler fan Albert Holm, from Mexico City, gives a mean look while getting his photo taken in the Steeler cutout at NFL Experience in Detroit.
Click photo for larger image.

DETROIT -- Brothers Noel and Morgan Burbridge, clad in their subdued green and blue Seahawks gear, arrived at 4 a.m. yesterday on a red-eye flight from Seattle and felt like they had walked smack into the enemy camp.

"I feel as though we are alone," said Noel, 31, looking out over the wave of black and gold that has inundated Detroit on the eve of Super Bowl XL. "It's like we're on an island surrounded by sharks. We're out-numbered 700 to 1."

If raw numbers of fans provide any barometer, Pittsburgh has exerted its dominance. Spirited members of the far-flung Steeler Nation who made the pilgrimage here to experience football's grandest theater seem to be everywhere. Seahawks fan might as well be part of the background.

Even the weather has taken a Pittsburgh shift. Yesterday morning dawned gray and gloomy with a blanket of fog that made Seattle denizens feel right at home. But my mid-day, a steady rain had turned to snow -- Steeler weather.

Eight inches of the white stuff is expected to be on the ground this morning. It won't affect the game, which will be played indoors in the cozy surroundings of Ford Field. But a city that has toiled mightily to be a good host for America's party had to implement emergency plans because of the winter storm. Salt trucks and snow plows were on standby to deal with the accumulation, and the plan called for city crews to truck the white stuff to a landfill in Windsor, Ontario, to keep streets open for the big game.

A different sort of blizzard has already descended on Motown. Tens of thousands of Steelers fans, waving towels and chanting songs, have taken over the streets and bars of Detroit and its suburbs.

The migration peaked on Friday when the Ohio Turnpike was nearly bumper to bumper with cars, trucks, vans and bus loads in one long convoy headed to Detroit.

"They were blaring their horns, waving their flags, twirling their towels. I've never seen anything like it. It looked like an invasion," said Susan Anderson of Green Tree.

She and her husband, Carl, have been season-ticket holders for 38 years but couldn't score tickets to the Super Bowl. (The asking price for a ticket listed at $700 topped $3,000 yesterday, and isn't expected to fall. Seattle fans had issued a plea not to sell their tickets to anyone from Pittsburgh.)

But the Andersons didn't think twice about making the five-hour drive and paying $159 a night for a room at a Red Roof Inn in suburban Livonia. It didn't matter that they'll be outside the perimeter. It didn't matter that the weather was bad. It didn't matter that the game was in Detroit. All that mattered was the Steelers were in the Super Bowl.

"We just wanted to soak it all in," said Anderson, 70. "I wanted to get a flavor of it."

So many Steelers fans have made the trek that the Seattle contingent is wondering what ever happened to neutrality.

Joel Bearce, 42, checked into his hotel in Ann Arbor on Thursday to find himself surrounded. The banner at the door welcomed Steelers fans, the women behind the front desk were wearing Steelers jerseys and a busload of Pittsburghers were filing off their charter and into the lobby.

"Come on. Aren't hotels supposed to be neutral?" said Bearce, laughing.

Not only have Detroiters jumped on the Steeler bandwagon because native son Jerome Bettis came home to receive the key to the city, southern Michigan is heavy with transplanted Pittsburghers who maintain ties with their relatives.

That point was not lost on Casey Bricker, a native of Seattle who works at the M1A1 tank manufacturing plant in Warren, Mich. She and her son, James, wore their Seattle gear to yesterday's festivities and conceded being in the minority as they rode the elevated train that serves downtown commuters.

"The people mover was a sea of black and gold," she said. "I just wish the news would be a bit more two-sided. I can pick up any paper and find The Bus schedule everywhere. I looked on the internet and couldn't find anything about Seattle's schedule."

Make no mistake. Seattle fans are euphoric about being in the big game for the first time in the 30-year history of the franchise. They want to win, but the big difference between the two camps is, the Steelers need to win. If they had to, their following would have set out on foot.

There is no limit on the fervor that surrounds the Steelers.

Penguins rookie Sidney Crosby, upon being named the star of a recent home game, twirled a Terrible Towel during his curtain call. Newly acquired Pirates first baseman Sean Casey signed autographs at PirateFest wearing his Steelers sweatshirt.

The cultured crowd at the Pittsburgh Public theater has been greeted by the site of Terrible Towels in the lobby, but so have patrons of strip clubs.

The fever extends into church. At the Third Presbyterian Church in Pittsburgh this morning, organist Charles Heaton will play as his postlude the notes that belt out "Here We Go, Steelers."

Blessedly, the countdown to the 6:22 p.m. kickoff is being measured in hours now, not days or weeks or years.

The ramp-up has been a study in Americana. NFL Commissioner Paul Tagliabue refers to the Super Bowl as America's unofficial mid-winter holiday, with a worldwide audience of 1 billion viewers tuning in. From Detroit, it has felt more like Roman Bacchanalia meets Thunderome: two teams enter, one team wins.


Robin Rombach, Post-Gazette
Steelers fans post in front of a huge picture of Jerome Bettis at the NFL Experience at the Cobo Conference & Exhibition Center in downtown Detroit yesterday.
Celebrities and corporate movers-and-shakers have gathered to sip Cristol champagne and munch on yak steak at $50 a plate. At the same time, Detroit officials are luring homeless people off the streets with the promise of a meal and a place to catch the game on TV.

The media center has been ground zero for the big party. In the course of a week, anyone with a media credential could have pulled up a chair in an interview room and asked questions of the mayor, the governor, racing mogul Roger Penske, the coaches and players of both teams, Stevie Wonder, Aretha Franklin, Aaron Neville, Dr. John and The Rolling Stones, who will be providing the halftime entertainment.

Mick Jagger conceded he didn't know much about American football, but his Super Bowl memory involved the Steelers.

"I remember Lynn Swann ... the levitated leap," Jagger said at the most heavily attended media function of the week.

Detroit opened its arms to visitors, aiming to reintroduce them to the city by throwing a winter party. At the same time, the Super Bowl was put on level one alert status by the Department of Homeland Security. NORAD fighter jets will provide air cover and enforce a no-fly zone within a 10-mile radius of Ford Field. In addition, 10,000 federal, state, local and private security officers patrol the ground and the Coast Guard cruises the Detroit River. Talk about playing dee-fense.

With the help of some Western Pennsylvania interests, the U.S. Army is providing some high-tech assistance. Robots that can look under vehicles for potential bombs are part of the milieu. The gadgets were provided by Kuchera Defense Systems of Windber, Pa., and were introduced to the NFL by FirstLink, a Department of Defense Center for National Excellence located at University of Pittsburgh.

One who has an insight on why people would drive five hours to watch a game on TV is Steelers defensive back Mike Logan, who played for McKeesport High School, West Virginia University and the NFL's Jacksonville Jaguars before signing with the Steelers as a free agent in 2001.

He has 15 game tickets for the family and friends, but there will be at least that number driving to Detroit just to be here.

"They just want to share in the experience with us. We have a great fan base, and they travel well with us. You can't say enough about them. When you go into an opposing stadium and you see 10,000 Terrible Towels swinging, it just signifies what we're about -- hard working people. Some of my family members saved up money just to be here, to share in this experience with us, to make it a special event," Logan said.

"Pittsburgh has been gearing up for this moment for so long. I think this is a special moment, not just for this team, but for the whole city and the whole organization."

Logan grew up idolizing the Steelers. Pickup football games were played at 6C Rivers Stadium, which was his old apartment number in a McKeesport housing project. He used to wear a No. 12 jersey while his buddies wore Nos. 88 and 82.

"It wasn't one of them authentic jerseys, either. I just had one of them black and white shirts from Hills with No. 12 painted on it," Logan recalled, laughing. "There we were, pretending to be Terry Bradshaw, Lynn Swann and John Stallworth. We used to try to re-enact the Immaculate Reception and Swann's catch in the Super Bowl. We wanted to emulate the Pittsburgh Steelers."

What's more, Logan's grandfather once worked at the Jones & Laughlin Steel Mill on the South Side, the very reclaimed site where the Steelers now practice.

"I would never try to take away from Jerome's story. But in the little paragraphs, I have my own little story brewing. This is a special time for me," Logan said. "I would be cheating myself if I tried to put into words how I feel. It's almost too good to be true."

But a dream needs a happy ending to avoid becoming a nightmare, and the Steelers know it. It's game time.

"After the Denver game, I was almost overcome with emotion," Logan said. "But we have a game on Sunday, and we have to finish it off the right way."

The psyche of a city -- the psyche of a Nation -- depends on it.

Stormy Davis (diamond), Monday, 6 February 2006 08:22 (nineteen years ago)

Wasn't the biggest penalty (non-penalty) the holding call on the SeaCocks after they sposedly got to the 2yd line on pass play?

peepee (peepee), Monday, 6 February 2006 13:07 (nineteen years ago)

From espn, this morning:

Game's third team upstaged Steelers, Hawks
By Michael Smith
ESPN.com
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DETROIT -- Three weeks ago, after the Steelers held on to upset Indianapolis, Joey Porter was unhappy about the overturning of Troy Polamalu's fourth-quarter interception that could have sealed the win much earlier. Believing that deep down the league preferred Peyton Manning and the Colts to win, Porter publicly criticized the game officials, asking them not to "take the game from us."

Well, the Steelers can call it even now, as the officials who performed well enough throughout the season to earn the privilege of working Super Bowl XL performed Sunday as though they were trying to make it up to the Steelers by giving them the game -- not just any game, but the biggest game. And, yes, this time the other guys, the Seahawks, cried conspiracy, only not quite as loudly as Porter.

"You know, that's what happens when the world is against you," one Seahawk said after the 21-10 loss at Ford/Heinz Field. "No one wanted us to win. They wanted Jerome Bettis to win and go out a hero, and they got it."

Seattle had its share of goats: in particular, tight end Jerramy Stevens, who dropped four balls, and kicker Josh Brown, who missed two field-goal attempts. Almost to a man, the Seahawks pointed the blame finger at themselves for converting only one of three red zone attempts (when they had been the best in the league in that area, scoring a touchdown on 71.7 percent of their trips inside the 20-yard line); for allowing Ben Roethlisberger to improvise and complete a 37-yard pass to game MVP Hines Ward to the 1; for giving up a 75-yard touchdown run to Willie Parker; and for getting beaten by a trick play on Antwaan Randle El's pass to fellow receiver Ward for a touchdown, a first in Super Bowl history. If you read between the lines, though, they pretty much spelled out in bold letters that they had plenty of help in handing Pittsburgh its fifth Lombardi Trophy.

Namely, the boys in black and white.

"Those things are out of our control," Seahawks quarterback Matt Hasselbeck said of the three major penalties that helped change the game completely. Not saying the outcome of the game would have been any different, but for sure it would have been a different game. "That's the way [the officials] called them," Hasselbeck continued. "The Steelers played well enough to win tonight, and we didn't. They should get credit. It's disappointing, it's hard, but what are you going to do?"

Here's what referee Bill Leavy's crew did, point blank: It robbed Seattle. The Seahawks could have played better, sure. They could have done more to overcome the poor officiating. We understand that those things happen and all, but even with all the points Seattle left on the field, there's a good chance the Seahawks would have scored more than the Steelers if the officials had let the players play.

In the biggest game of the year, the biggest game in sports, even, the officials were just a little too visible. In that regard, the Super Bowl provided a fitting conclusion to a postseason packed with pitiful performances by the game's third team. There were incorrect down-by-contact rulings in both NFC wild-card games; a touchdown that could have gone either way and should have gone the other way -- in favor of Tampa Bay -- in the Bucs' loss to the Redskins; the Patriots got no love in Denver in being hit with a bogus pass interference penalty and not catching a break on Champ Bailey's fumble at the goal line that looked as though it could have been a touchback; and, of course, the Polamalu play.

Still, what happened to the Seahawks wasn't the same as, say, New England going into Denver and playing badly (five turnovers) on top of the bad calls. Seattle gained almost 400 yards and turned it over just once.

You see, you can spend weeks -- and we did; two, in fact -- analyzing and dissecting matchups and giving each team the edge in certain areas and trying to figure out how the game is going to play out, but the two things you can't account for are turnovers and officials. The latter were the X-factor Sunday. Edge: Steelers.

It actually was a fairly clean game from a penalty standpoint, without a whole lot of yellow on the field -- 10 accepted penalties between the teams. Seven were against the Seahawks, though, a team that tied with Indianapolis for the second-fewest penalties (94) in the regular season. But those calls against the Seahawks stuck out like the Space Needle on the Seattle skyline.

Consider: The Seahawks lost 161 yards to penalties when you combine the penalty yards (70) and the plays the flags wiped out (91). By halftime alone, when it trailed 7-3, Seattle had had 73 hard-earned yards and a touchdown eliminated.

Hasselbeck hit Darrell Jackson with an apparent 16-yard scoring pass in the first quarter, but the play came back when Jackson was called for offensive pass interference. It was a touch foul. Jackson extended his arm, yes, but both players were fighting for position, and he didn't create any separation by doing so. It was like a referee calling a hand-check in a key moment of Game 7 of the NBA Finals.

The Seahawks had to settle for three instead of seven.

Still, that was early, and that one didn't change the game as much as did a holding call against Sean Locklear early in the fourth quarter with Pittsburgh leading 14-10. That one wiped out an 18-yard catch by Stevens that would have taken the ball to the 1. Locklear supposedly held Clark Haggans, so instead of first-and-goal at the 1 and the chance to complete a 98-yard touchdown drive and take a three-point lead, Seattle faced first-and-20 at the 29.

Three plays later, Ike Taylor picked off a Hasselbeck pass, and Hasselbeck went low to make the tackle on Taylor's return and was called for a 15-yard personal foul for a low block. The Steelers set up shop at their 44. That one right there made no sense.

Pittsburgh likes to run its trick plays in the middle of the field. Boom! Four plays later, from Seattle's 43, Randle El took a reverse and threw a sweet strike on the run to Ward. It was 21-10, and that was all she wrote. Everyone knows how important it is to play Pittsburgh with a lead or with the score tied. The Steelers don't lose when they're up by 11.

Eleven just so happens to be the total points taken away by bogus calls. Some penalties meant points; others meant field position. A holding call in the second quarter negated Peter Warrick's 34-yard punt return that would have started Seattle in Pittsburgh territory.

By contrast, the Steelers might have gotten a break on Roethlisberger's 1-yard touchdown plunge on third-and-goal in the second quarter. Leavy reviewed the play under the booth's orders, since it occurred inside the two-minute mark, and while still photos of an airborne Roethlisberger showed that the ball might have broken the plane of the goal line, he landed short of it and reached the ball over. It was close. Head linesman Mark Hittner didn't seem so sure of it, hesitating before signaling touchdown.

"I don't think he scored," Seahawks coach Mike Holmgren said.

It was that kind of evening for the Seahawks, who represent a town where residents know all too well that when it rains, it pours. If having what seemed like 90 percent of the 68,200 in attendance waving Terrible Towels wasn't enough to make Seattle feel as though it was playing on the road, the officials called it as though the Seahawks actually were.

Pittsburgh capitalized on its opportunities. And guys like Bill Cowher, Ward, Dan Rooney and The Bus are all very deserving of a championship -- and it's nice to see them win one -- but it would have been better had it not happened like this. It's like the Seahawks said: Not taking anything away from the Steelers, but keep it real.

"We had a touchdown taken away from us, the first one we scored," said Hasselbeck, who was measured in his words but clear in his frustration, "and then we had the ball at the 1-yard line, they called a penalty on us. That was unfortunate."

"I thought they were offside [on the play Locklear was called for holding]," center Robbie Tobeck said. "I thought we had a free play on because they had two guys come across. You know, that's the game. In a game, there's situations you have to overcome, and all night long we didn't do a good job of overcoming those things, and that's something we've done all year."

In the offseason, 31 teams will be back at the drawing board, evaluating what they need to do to knock off the Steelers in the fall. After the postseason they just had, Mike Pereira and the NFL's crew of officials would be wise to take a long, hard look at themselves. It's a real shame when, on the game's biggest stage, the major players aren't players at all. We saw too much of the third team in Super Bowl XL and not enough Seahawks and Steelers.


peepee (peepee), Monday, 6 February 2006 13:20 (nineteen years ago)

Translation: WAAAH WAH WAH WAH WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

Dan (U MAD) Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 6 February 2006 14:05 (nineteen years ago)

Translation: I thought it was a well officiated game.

peepee (peepee), Monday, 6 February 2006 14:34 (nineteen years ago)

that fed ex commercial is some straight-up scary xian fundie appeasement shit!!! cavemen + dinosaurs = if you like it, you hate darwin

puppy bowl: 10++++++++!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 6 February 2006 15:17 (nineteen years ago)

the hassellback chop block penalty was an awful call
the "d-jack" offensive pass interference in the endzone call was kind of weak, but it wasn't wrong
i thought rofflesberger was in--there certainly wasn't enough evidence to overturn however it was called on the field
and i thought that holding call was indeed a hold

but then i suppose i would

mookieproof (mookieproof), Monday, 6 February 2006 15:29 (nineteen years ago)

I wouldn't actually go so far as to say "well officiated". The controversial call that I thought was played out correctly was the questionable Rofflesberger touchdown; after it was called and reviewed, you really couldn't tell whether the ball crossed the plane while he was in the air or not, and because it was inconclusive they couldn't reverse the call. The stolen Seahawk touchdown was super-iffy.

Dan (I Was Translating Michael Smith In Case That Wasn't Clear) Perry (Dan Perry, Monday, 6 February 2006 15:31 (nineteen years ago)

GTFOH WITH THAT PUPPY BOWL SHIT, U SWEET ASS MOFO

Milhouse is not a meme. But 'Milhouse is not a meme' IS a meme. (Adrian Langston, Monday, 6 February 2006 15:34 (nineteen years ago)

That Shawk TD would've been a TD if DJ (he who also had trouble telling in-bounds from out-of-bounds) didn't make a show of pushing off of his defender to get free. He should spend a few months with Michael Irvin (sans pipe) to learn how to get away w/ stuff like that.

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 6 February 2006 15:45 (nineteen years ago)

hahahaha, yeah sure thing, mr. furry porn comix!

xpost!!!!

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 6 February 2006 15:45 (nineteen years ago)

SPEAKING OF MICHAEL IRVIN.... Exactly how much weed do you think he had stashed in the knot of his tie?

Dan (3/4 Oz?) Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 6 February 2006 15:48 (nineteen years ago)

THE PUPPY BOWL IS SOME STR8 FAGGOT SHIT AND I FORMALLY CALL INTO QUESTION THE MENTAL FACULTIES OF ANY PERSON WHO ENJOYED MORE THAN 10 MINUTES OF THIS PROGRAM. FUCK YOU IF YOU DISAGREE. I CAN'T BELIEVE I LET THOSE FUCKING HUCKSTERS CON ME WITH THIS SNAKE OIL BULLSHIT, THREE HOURS OF DOGS STARING BLANKLY TO A DELIGHTFUL LITE JAZZ SOUNDTRACK, MOTHERFUCK YOU!!!!!!!!

(I watched the first 20 minutes in the vain hope that it would transform into something watchable, as if they had the REAL Puppy Bowl just waiting around the corner. I switched back later for the kitty halftime show but it turned out to be more of the same horseshit, except with disco music instead of Starbucks bluegrass. I have cats, I can just fuck around with them whenever I want.)

(I probably deserved this, as I read the Directv info box description beforehand and elected to believe it wasn't meant to be read literally [it was]. There were only two words: "Puppies play".)

Milhouse is not a meme. But 'Milhouse is not a meme' IS a meme. (Adrian Langston, Monday, 6 February 2006 16:04 (nineteen years ago)

Update: Sloppy Joe payback is a BITCH.

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 6 February 2006 16:31 (nineteen years ago)

Hi Dere. I know nothing about futbol, but my television told me that if the ball crosses the endzone in the air, that ain't good enough if it doesn't touch the line on the ground. Did my television lie to me?

Yrs,
GBNB

gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 6 February 2006 17:11 (nineteen years ago)

it's just gotta cross the plane

j blount (papa la bas), Monday, 6 February 2006 17:16 (nineteen years ago)

We were all making jokes about how Michael Irvin was smuggling an entire colony of tiny people in the knot of his tie.

Dan (Ellis Island, Here We Come!) Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 6 February 2006 17:18 (nineteen years ago)

One of my favorite moments of the game was when Cowher celebrated the 2nd or 3rd touchdown (I think 2nd) by forcefully shoving Rofflesberger in the chest like he was in dire need of a beatdown.

Dan (The Angriest Coach) Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 6 February 2006 17:24 (nineteen years ago)

I want to drive a Hummer straight out of a lizard's vagina sometime.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Monday, 6 February 2006 17:39 (nineteen years ago)

Hi Dere. I know nothing about futbol, but my television told me that if the ball crosses the endzone in the air, that ain't good enough if it doesn't touch the line on the ground. Did my television lie to me?

This doesn't even make sense. Turn off the delusional Seattle fans network, dude.

I really, really don't get the big hard on everyone has this year ("this year" etc) for announcing every. single. game. the "worst officiated game ever." mostly everyone on thread OTM upthread about how if Seattle wanted to win they shoulda paid attention to the REAL clock and the REAL 75 td runs instead of the REAL score or the REAL penalties/calls???? Rofflesberger looked in to me; I mean he def threw up chalk so it was just a matter of when his knee hit. The Hasselbeck call was crap, true.

uh xpost

Allyzay Rofflesberger (allyzay), Monday, 6 February 2006 17:42 (nineteen years ago)

I was watching the same network that you are. Perhaps it is that my tv was made by the Muckleshoot from the bark of Chief Seattle's canoe?

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/dayart/20020207/chiefseattle07.jpg

gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 6 February 2006 17:56 (nineteen years ago)

That must be the case, because what you heard doesn't make even the faintest lick of sense.

Roethlisberger to shave beard for money on 'Late Show'

...

Allyzay Rofflesberger (allyzay), Monday, 6 February 2006 17:59 (nineteen years ago)

It has been a good week for Roethlisberger's marketing team. He recently signed a one-year, seven-figure exclusive autograph deal with a collectibles brand, Mounted Memories.

Dan (... The Hell?) Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 6 February 2006 18:26 (nineteen years ago)

mounted memories sounds like an easton phrase

gear (gear), Monday, 6 February 2006 19:22 (nineteen years ago)

Coming soon: Rofflesburger POGS

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 6 February 2006 19:24 (nineteen years ago)

Predict the central argument in Skip Bayless' next column:

1) Kimo von Oelhoffen cost the Bengals a clear SB victory and should therefore be suspended by the league and possibly jailed.

2) Tom Brady would have never been called for a 15-yard blocking penalty in the SB which is why he has three rings and Hasselbeck has none.

3) If Peyton Manning was the Steelers QB then they would have been ahead 41-3 at the half and nobody would be talking about the questionable officiating because GREBTNESS doesn't require a CHICKENSHIT assist from the officials, etc.

NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Monday, 6 February 2006 19:39 (nineteen years ago)

4) roethlisberger is too hairy, i like smooth bros like brady

gear (gear), Monday, 6 February 2006 19:42 (nineteen years ago)

or alternatively, 5) Hasselbeck's premature and humiliating baldness is a sign that he doesn't possess the youthful vigour that is necessary for winning SB's because after all, these are grown men playing a little boy's game ...

NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Monday, 6 February 2006 19:47 (nineteen years ago)

6) Tom Brady: Will U Marry Me?

Allyzay Rofflesberger (allyzay), Monday, 6 February 2006 20:01 (nineteen years ago)

Guys I just read an article on ESPN.com that actually asserts that the "exact number of points taken away from the Seahawks by the officials" was, indeed, 11.

Which is, like, a td + go for 2 + field goal, wtf?

Allyzay Rofflesberger (allyzay), Monday, 6 February 2006 20:02 (nineteen years ago)

From Slate:

But perhaps Seattle brought this on themselves by coming out of the tunnel to The Verve's "Bittersweet Symphony." Note to the Seahawks: That's probably not the best choice of pump-up tunes. Next time, why not just play Beck's "Loser"?

I'm not griping about the officiating because I'm a Seahawk fan, or a Steeler hater, but because I was hoping for a good, close, exciting game, and if the "breaks" were not so lopsided, we would've probably got one. The offensive PI call, and the Roethlisberger "TD" call could've gone either way (and I have few doubts that the Steelers would've punched it in on 4th down anyways). The two holding penalties --- I'll watch again tonight, but nobody disagrees with how badly the officials missed the Hassellback "chop" (I have more doubts that Randel-El's TD pass would have necessarily been called, or been as successful if that 15yrd penalty had not been called).


peepee (peepee), Monday, 6 February 2006 20:04 (nineteen years ago)

I calculated 13.29 points, but y'know, close enough.

xpost

NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Monday, 6 February 2006 20:05 (nineteen years ago)

Re: Bittersweet Symphony, maybe they were trying to absorb some Rolling Stones-related good karma?

NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Monday, 6 February 2006 20:08 (nineteen years ago)

Yes, theoretically Roethlisberger's TD could've gone either way. Since there is no conclusive evidence to say that it SHOULD have gone the other way, league rules state you gotta go with the man's first instincts. In this case, he called TD (which is exactly what my opinion was of it too, after the 8 trillion replays immediately following the call). The offensive PI call, it's technically the correct call and NOT an either way call--it's just that usually people look the other way on that kinda thing esp. in the playoffs.

You did get a fairly good, well played game, you just didn't get a close score. Tom Brady woulda scored 73 points to make up for "worst officiating ever".

Allyzay Rofflesberger (allyzay), Monday, 6 February 2006 20:09 (nineteen years ago)

While banging three chicks at once and simulataneously saving a village of orphans.

Allyzay Rofflesberger (allyzay), Monday, 6 February 2006 20:10 (nineteen years ago)

When they came out to "Bittersweet Symphony", I HOWLED.

Dan (I Am A Werewolf) Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 6 February 2006 20:10 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah that was pretty fuckin odd.

Allyzay Rofflesberger (allyzay), Monday, 6 February 2006 20:11 (nineteen years ago)

You know Hasslebeck picked that, the big douche.

Dan (He Probably Danced To U2's "One" At His Wedding) Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 6 February 2006 20:13 (nineteen years ago)

Since there is no conclusive evidence to say that it SHOULD have gone the other way, league rules state you gotta go with the man's first instincts...

Actually, the ref's first instinct looked like he called it down before the end-zone.

peepee (peepee), Monday, 6 February 2006 20:14 (nineteen years ago)

shoulda come out to SPOONMAN

mookieproof (mookieproof), Monday, 6 February 2006 20:15 (nineteen years ago)

In my opinion, Seattle got ripped off at least three times by bad calls, and that contributed to them losing the game, so they have a reason to feel aggrieved. But I am also rockist (word not allowed on this board-ed.) enough -- and had it drilled into my head in six years as a player -- to believe that a team cannot blame its loss on the referees. I had to explain this to a disappointed seven-year-old, who (like me but independently of me) was rooting for Seattle just because everyone else was rooting for Pittsburgh.

Haikunym (Haikunym), Monday, 6 February 2006 20:15 (nineteen years ago)

I also don't think Ben R. scored, and I think Ally is crazy for watching all the reruns and still thinking he did...but it would only have brought up fourth down, so big deal either way.

Haikunym (Haikunym), Monday, 6 February 2006 20:16 (nineteen years ago)

OK.

He still signaled touchdown. He NEVER signalled down at any point.

Not only that, replay shows the ball threw up chalk. Which means it did, in no uncertain terms, break the plane--so the ref was correct about that to begin with. So now you're talking about a replay judgement call as to whether or not the ball broke the plane BEFORE Roethlisberger's knee went down, or afterwards. It appeared to me, as it did to the refs, that it was not 100% certain, but certainly nowhere near any kind of evidence that the ball DIDN'T pass the plane before his knee was down.

And that is how the rules work. People can piss and moan all they like, and they'd be right to bitch about the Hasselbeck block, but the bottom line is that Seattle got sonned in a Bettis beef and if they deserved to win the game, they would've won it.

Is this really that hard for people to get? See also: The Pitt/Indy game where, by all appearances, the refs stopped just short of just SHOOTING Pitt players on the field.

Allyzay Rofflesberger (allyzay), Monday, 6 February 2006 20:22 (nineteen years ago)

shoulda come out to SPOONMAN

THEM BONES

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 6 February 2006 20:22 (nineteen years ago)

i'm pissed off that during seattle's interception return (what an awful throw, by the way) they weren't called for a clear block in rofflesberger's back!

mookieproof (mookieproof), Monday, 6 February 2006 20:24 (nineteen years ago)

I didn't see the Pitt/Indy game, but heard that was bad too.

...if they deserved to win the game, they would've won it.

I don't know what that means.

peepee (peepee), Monday, 6 February 2006 20:26 (nineteen years ago)

I think that means that if Seattle had deserved to win the game, they would have won it, perhaps by scoring more points.

Dan (Stab In The Dark) Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 6 February 2006 20:29 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, that's whatcha mean!

peepee (peepee), Monday, 6 February 2006 20:31 (nineteen years ago)

Deserving to win the game don't mean dookiestain.

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 6 February 2006 20:32 (nineteen years ago)

Ally, just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean that they are pissing and moaning. I already said that Seattle couldn't blame their loss on the referees.

Haikunym (Haikunym), Monday, 6 February 2006 20:33 (nineteen years ago)

I think Ally was mostly addressing peepee.

Dan (Never Thought I'd Type That) Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 6 February 2006 20:40 (nineteen years ago)

OMG THAT SENTENCE WINS ILNFL ILE ILX THE SUPER BOWL AND THE WORLD CUP

Haikunym (Haikunym), Monday, 6 February 2006 20:41 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, seriously haiku, don't tell me I have to start putting names in front of all of my posts so you figure out I don't mean you, bub.

Anyway let's all be honest here. Thread connections reveal all:
# The real reason the Seahawks lost (28 new answers)
# Gareth (6 new answers)

Allyzay Rofflesberger (allyzay), Monday, 6 February 2006 23:21 (nineteen years ago)

(and by "people" I actually meant the Seattle players/MIKE HOLMGREN who have gone out of their way to make allusions/ACTUALLY HAVE SAID that the refs costing them the game, and a couple sports writers, and not really anyone specifically here posting on this thread)

Allyzay Rofflesberger (allyzay), Monday, 6 February 2006 23:24 (nineteen years ago)

Need to get some better zebras next year.

Yep.

steelerman, Monday, 6 February 2006 23:29 (nineteen years ago)

Thanks. Helpful.

Allyzay Rofflesberger (allyzay), Monday, 6 February 2006 23:30 (nineteen years ago)

As someone who was rooting for the Steelers, I woke up this morning feeling like a 2000 Bush supporter, going "Look, it's the Electoral College, people!"

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Monday, 6 February 2006 23:30 (nineteen years ago)

That basically happens every year. Not to you specifically. I can't remember the last time I didn't see at least one columnist claiming the refs cost the Super Bowl. Christ somewhere in the archives I'm certain there is some sad Boston sportswriter who actually claimed that versus the Bears or some shit.

Allyzay Rofflesberger (allyzay), Monday, 6 February 2006 23:33 (nineteen years ago)

You know, if Gore had won Tennessee, he would've been president.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Monday, 6 February 2006 23:43 (nineteen years ago)

Are we getting back into that "Would the Steelers have made the Super Bowl if the Denver Broncos were entirely composed of DRAGONS instead of MEN? Probably not." territory?

Allyzay Rofflesberger (allyzay), Monday, 6 February 2006 23:45 (nineteen years ago)

Dragons would've totally burned the Steelers.

HIGH FIVE

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 6 February 2006 23:48 (nineteen years ago)

I'm partial to this reasoning:

# the 'fuck you' e-mail
# The real reason the Seahawks lost

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 6 February 2006 23:52 (nineteen years ago)

Are we getting back into that "Would the Steelers have made the Super Bowl if the Denver Broncos were entirely composed of DRAGONS instead of MEN? Probably not." territory?

AHAHAHAHKAHAHGHAHFH I AM DYING

Milhouse is not a meme. But 'Milhouse is not a meme' IS a meme. (Adrian Langston, Tuesday, 7 February 2006 00:27 (nineteen years ago)

Ease up, tough guys. I'm just sayin' that, as a football fan, I was disappointed with the game. I watched with a bunch of Steeler fans who couldn't hardly muster a "YEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAH"! at the end cuz they felt twas somewhat of a gift.

btw, what with the 108 new-ball-on-every-play deal? How many drops from the o and d of both sides? Its like they laced the things with Crisco (and which made that low catch by Ward(?) for a first down more impressive).

peepee (peepee), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 01:54 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah the dropped balls were really the lowlight of the game, if you ask me. What the hell? The whole league has been full of that this year though. At least all the games I've watched. It's like they're tossing around slugs or something instead of footballs.

http://www.footbec.com/dragon_logo_final.jpg

Allyzay Rofflesberger (allyzay), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 02:41 (nineteen years ago)

(I honestly think that the officiating in that game was absolutely no worse than the officiating you see on any given Sunday and I just always get bristled up when people get really het up on it just cuz it's the Super Bowl. It ain't like that Testeverde last-play-of-teh-game phantom touchdown from years back. As long as something isn't as egregious as THAT I don't think it's game-destroying. UNLIKE DROPPED PASSES. LOOKIN AT YOU JEREMEY SHOCKEY)

Allyzay Rofflesberger (allyzay), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 02:43 (nineteen years ago)

It's like they're tossing around slugs or something instead of footballs

if they had been tossing around slugs, there's no question which team would have won

gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 03:30 (nineteen years ago)

the squawks can drop anything, that was like the jake plummer we knew this was coming eventually memorial redux. it being sof' boy doing so much bibbity bibbity *drop* just added a rimshot. i'm not sure what was up with the 'new balls every single play of the first half' thing - they think that many hof worthy events might happen? tags trying to score some extra taco money on ebay? for a league that's about rigging it for hi-scores that does seem odd.

j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 03:46 (nineteen years ago)

Steelers in hollow victory SHOCKAH!!!

Alex in Tupelo, Tuesday, 7 February 2006 10:27 (nineteen years ago)

I would be worried, if they started tossing around slugs, for the safety of the slugs. They'd get squished.

I think every time from now on a team plays crap all of a sudden in the playoffs in exactly the manner you'd expect them to but thought they wouldn't, nay, couldn't, we should call it the Jake Plummer Memorial Redux. Because it doesn't have the same ring as the Peyton Manning Special Move.

Allyzay Rofflesberger (allyzay), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 14:56 (nineteen years ago)

Well the Super Bowl is finally over and I can now go back to hating the Steelers. I have touched a Terrible Towel for the last time.

They were mere pawns in my $ grab. Mercenaries to be used up and discarded.

Goodbye Pittsburgh, my Babylon.

laurence kansas (lawrence kansas), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 16:02 (nineteen years ago)

guys...I've got to be honest...I am losing ALL respect (and I used to have a lot) for Holmgren. It's making me feel really bad for Alexander and Hasselbeck who have been utterly professional. Is it just me, or is it like, you EXPECT "We wuz robbed! Fire the refs! We ain't got no respect!" shouting from the players, who aren't exactly paid to be geniuses of marketing, but from the coach it's a little beyond the pale? Especially when the players kind of aren't doing it? I'm feeling really bad for the players!

I kind of want Holmgren's phone number so I can let him know that the refs didn't make him and his qb manage the game clock like they were playing in the Puppy Bowl. Someone give me a good reason why I shouldn't spend my evening tonight accomplishing this goal?

Allyzay Rofflesberger (allyzay), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 16:53 (nineteen years ago)

thank you for your support

http://www.lynetteeklund.com/Bartles%20and%20James%20Parrot.jpg

(xp)

mookieproof (mookieproof), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 16:55 (nineteen years ago)

i lost more respect for holmgren when i saw his hissy fit on the sidelines after the steve smith punt return was allowed to stand. but by no means do i want to dissuade you from calling him up tonight.

mookieproof (mookieproof), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 16:58 (nineteen years ago)

haha there was one point during the game when they had a close-up on holmgren when he didn't have his playsheet in front of his face--he was asking (presumably of hasselbeck) "do you have a play?"

mookieproof (mookieproof), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 17:00 (nineteen years ago)

If Pitt doesn't call a timeout at the end of the first half the clock would still be running.

mookie, you are to be pitied for one day the Browns will rise up and...(transmission ends)

laurence kansas (lawrence kansas), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 17:03 (nineteen years ago)

yeah yeah the Holmgren reacts to calls like a homo thing still stands but seriously this is like getting to be beyond hissy fit. Take it like a man, or a walrus, or whatever you are already, for christ's sake! I mean geez one comment would be one thing but every day since Sunday, come on, son. Who do you think you are, the coach of the Kansas City Chiefs?? THERE'S NO CRYING IN FOOTBALL.

Allyzay Rofflesberger (allyzay), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 17:16 (nineteen years ago)

I wish every team was just coached by Ditka, Cowher and Parcells already. What the hell is with whiny guys and nice dudes in the NFL?? I want heart attacks on the sideline, coaches punching coaches, drool. That's what football is about. This knitting circle nonsense must end.

Allyzay Rofflesberger (allyzay), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 17:17 (nineteen years ago)

I wish I could take back the things I said defending Peyton Manning's one weak ass diss about "protection problems," cos even though I still don't think it was that bad, I feel like by saying so I'm supporting this girlification of the NFL ranks.

I've convinced myself, phone calls all around!!

Allyzay Rofflesberger (allyzay), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 17:19 (nineteen years ago)

basically we need more juggaloos calling the plays

gear (gear), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 17:20 (nineteen years ago)

I wish every team was just coached by Ditka, Cowher and Parcells already. What the hell is with whiny guys and nice dudes in the NFL?? I want heart attacks on the sideline, coaches punching coaches, drool. That's what football is about. This knitting circle nonsense must end.

the steve spurrier experiment was terrible.

basically we need more juggaloos calling the plays

not unless you wanna see shaun alexander get shot or shanked with a hatchet.

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 17:25 (nineteen years ago)

He's a clone, everyone knows that makes him invincible to hatchets.

Allyzay Rofflesberger (allyzay), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 17:26 (nineteen years ago)

Also Spurrier is not Parcells, Ditka, or Cowher. I don't want guys who are like those people coaching. I want only those three people coaching. And possibly myself but let's not get into that. Tho seriously can you imagine the press conferences??

Allyzay Rofflesberger (allyzay), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 17:27 (nineteen years ago)

We need Jim Mora to bridge the gap between emo girlydom and manly man shitfits.

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 17:48 (nineteen years ago)

yeah cmon stence, spurrier's no lombardi/ditka man's man type, dude's a dandy thru and thru.


daver otm re: both moras.

j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 18:06 (nineteen years ago)

It's more about Spurrier being kinda crap and awful. HE'S NO JIMMY JOHNSON, EVEN.

Allyzay Rofflesberger (allyzay), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 18:13 (nineteen years ago)

Daver and blount OTM, particularly now that Vermeil has retired (again).

NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 18:16 (nineteen years ago)

This is one of the reasons why we weren't crying to see Holmgren go, he was kind of a weenie baby here but had the macho gunslinger players to watch his back.

(Of course, we then hired Ray "One and Out" Rhodes and Mike "Inexplicably High Winning Percentage Considering He's Just a Butter Statue" Sherman, and now Mike "Watch Out NFL I Was the Offensive Coordinator for the San Fran-fuckin'-cisco 49ers" McCarthy.)

But virtually all these boring technocrats are better than NBA coaches, who actually have to whine to get any calls at all, which is why the "great" ones are, well, Phil Jackson. What kind of Buddhist does all that wasteful face-contortion crap?

Haikunym (Haikunym), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 18:20 (nineteen years ago)

Wow I don't know what to think about this, but almost all of the first page of GIS results for "Butter Statue" are paintings of the Buddha! What do you know that we don't?!

Allyzay Rofflesberger (allyzay), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 18:31 (nineteen years ago)

But virtually all these boring technocrats are better than NBA coaches, who actually have to whine to get any calls at all, which is why the "great" ones are, well, Phil Jackson. What kind of Buddhist does all that wasteful face-contortion crap?

if phil jackson's a "buddhist" then dave raposer is a used-car salesman. just sayin'.

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 18:34 (nineteen years ago)

he meant butter statue though.

Allyzay Rofflesberger (allyzay), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 18:43 (nineteen years ago)

jim mora's an intense dude, i like him a lot. blount, gregg knapp - should he stay or should he go????

Milhouse is not a meme. But 'Milhouse is not a meme' IS a meme. (Adrian Langston, Tuesday, 7 February 2006 18:53 (nineteen years ago)

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Haikunym (Haikunym), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 19:03 (nineteen years ago)

Could someone please post a picture of Cowher making that face he makes as if he's about to start bawling his eyes out cuz his big brother took his happymeal toy?

peepee (peepee), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 20:06 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.camcojb.com/sbXVtd.jpg

mookieproof (mookieproof), Sunday, 12 February 2006 01:36 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.zimmermanjfk.com/frontmenu_i000032.jpg

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Sunday, 12 February 2006 02:10 (nineteen years ago)

roffles @ murder

Jimmy Mod (I myself am lethal at 100 -110dB) (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Sunday, 12 February 2006 16:21 (nineteen years ago)

thank u mookieproof

Allyzay Rofflesberger (allyzay), Monday, 13 February 2006 02:34 (nineteen years ago)

seventeen years pass...

Trying to deposit 100 into various online sports books but getting denied ahhh

calstars, Sunday, 11 February 2024 20:43 (one year ago)

I’m all in on SF baby!

calstars, Sunday, 11 February 2024 20:43 (one year ago)


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