The super-speculative 2010 NFL DRAFT thread.

Round 1 kicks off on a Thursday this year (4/22) in prime time tv. Is that weird? Other years, I might think so, but this draft is going to be so talent-packed. Ndamukong Suh (DT from Nebraska) seems to be the consensus first pick as of now. Will anything change between now and then? (It always does.)

Will the Browns go for a QB? I'd put money on the Rams and Panthers going for a 1st round QB. Redskins too. So who goes where?

From ESPN.com

SCOUTS INC.'S TOP 32
Player Pos. School Grade
1. Eric Berry* S Tennessee 97
2. Gerald McCoy* DT Oklahoma 97
3. Ndamukong Suh DT Nebraska 96
4. Russell Okung OT Oklahoma State 96
5. Joe Haden* CB Florida 96
6. Derrick Morgan* DE Georgia Tech 96
7. Jake Locker* QB Washington 96
8. Carlos Dunlap* DE Florida 95
9. Rolando McClain* ILB Alabama 95
10. Sam Bradford* QB Oklahoma 95
11. Dez Bryant* WR Oklahoma State 95
12. Jimmy Clausen* QB Notre Dame 94
13. Navorro Bowman* OLB Penn State 94
14. C.J. Spiller RB Clemson 94
15. Earl Thomas* S Texas 94
16. Arthur Jones DT Syracuse 94
17. Taylor Mays S USC 93
18. Jason Pierre-Paul DE South Florida 93
19. Trent Williams OT Oklahoma 93
20. Greg Hardy DE Mississippi 92
21. Jahvid Best* RB California 92
22. Charles Brown OT USC 92
23. Sergio Kindle OLB Texas 92
24. Bruce Carter* OLB North Carolina 91
25. Bryan Bulaga OT Iowa 91
26. Arrelious Benn* WR Illinois 91
27. Anthony Davis* OT Rutgers 90
28. Jermaine Gresham TE Oklahoma 90
29. Brandon Spikes ILB Florida 90
30. Patrick Robinson CB Florida State 90
31. Everson Griffen* DE USC 90
32. Nate Allen S South Florida 90

Taylor Mays is too low there.

i think USC's overall general performance in these last two games may have him dropping a bit

i'm not a big mays fan, looking forward to seeing him bomb on the raiders

i have insider if anyone wants me to post some of their draft preview shit

it's weird, i def feel like this is gonna be one of those drafts where the teams at the top are trying to flee to the bottom of the top 10. like, will the browns have the balls to make a mario williams move and pick SUH with how bad their offensive situation is? it's just a weird, weird situation without there being a seemingly cant-miss offensive prospect. will the browns reach and take locker at 1? i guess if they decide he is their guy, if they can keep it a secret, they might be able to trade down with a team that really wants suh or okung (can't imagine a safety going #1)

ya go ahead ade

does anyone really think jimmy claussen will be any good in the nfl?

btw this guy

6. Derrick Morgan* DE Georgia Tech 96

is your 09 vernon gholston - book it

*clausen

man if berry went #1 overall that would blow my everlovin mind - there's no percedent for it (for good reason) but i'd almsot admire a move that ballsy

as it stands the bucs have a great shot at berry or suh, which dismays me

derrick morgan is your 09 michael johnson lmao

anyway

DE Morgan heads injury-depleted D-line group

Wednesday, November 18, 2009 | Print Entry

Posted by Todd McShay
The most impressive individual player in the country over the past three weeks has been Georgia Tech DE Derrick Morgan, who has seven sacks over that span and absolutely terrorized Duke's offensive line last week.

We've had Morgan in our top 15 overall since early October and in this week's updated rankings he will move ahead of fellow junior Carlos Dunlap (Florida) as the top defensive end on the Scouts Inc. board. And while there's no guarantee Morgan will skip his senior year we've been told by two people close to the situation that he's a virtual lock to enter the 2010 draft.

Morgan is no one-trick pony. He is a relentless pass-rusher but also shows great effort holding the point and in pursuit against the run, and recently he has shown the ability to play out of a two-point stance and drop into coverage on zone blitzes.

Should he elect to come out early and perform as well as we expect in pre-draft workouts it would not be a surprise to see Morgan become a top-five pick, and there is no way we see him falling out of the top half of the first round.

• Things are not looking so rosy for some of Morgan's fellow defensive linemen, including Ole Miss DE Greg Hardy, Syracuse DT Arthur Jones and Oklahoma DE Auston English.

Hardy recently underwent season-ending surgery on a lingering wrist injury, which on top of a stress fracture that hobbled him last season and required offseason surgery and a nagging ankle early this season raises durability issues in the eyes of NFL scouts.

Hardy is as physically dominant as any defensive linemen in this class when healthy and motivated, but questions about Hardy's work ethic and ability to hold up for a full NFL season are hurting his stock significantly. It won't be a shock to us if this top-10 talent falls to the bottom of the first round.

The same can be said of Jones, who is done for the season thanks to a torn meniscus but at times this season was every bit as dominant as Oklahoma's Gerald McCoy and Nebraska's Ndamukong Suh. Problem is, because of lingering injuries (including a torn pectoral that required offseason surgery) there is limited film of Jones at 100 percent as well as concern that he won't be able to stay healthy in the NFL.

Jones never really appeared to be at full strength this season but he played hard and confirmed our feelings about his overall skill set. If he checks out physically at the combine and teams are convinced none of his past injuries will be an issue moving forward Jones could still come off the board in the first round. There just are not a lot of players with his combination of size (6-foot-3, 302 pounds), strength and quickness.

Finally, English has been lost to an ankle injury for the remainder of the season. Much like Hardy and Jones this most recent injury is just another on a laundry list of ailments for English, who came into the season looking like a third-rounder at best but now will be lucky to come off the board before the fifth.

• The trials and tribulations of some of the top wide receiver prospects --- including Dez Bryant (suspension), Eric Decker (injury), Arrelious Benn (injury/team struggles) and Mike Williams (quit team) -- have been well-chronicled in this blog. Now it's time to look at some wideouts who have stepped up their games and are moving up the board.

Jordan Shipley of Texas continues to produce consistently despite opponents bracketing him, double-covering him, rolling coverages toward him and utilizing any other form of extra attention a defense can give a receiver.

Shipley does not run a lot of intermediate or vertical routes and will need to be coached up in that area and in terms of getting off the line against press coverage, but there are still a lot of reasons to like his potential to emerge as a contributor both as a slot receiver and on special teams.

Among the traits that jump out are Shipley's toughness, competitiveness, willingness to make catches in traffic over the middle and his breakaway speed after the catch and as a return man. He is a notch below the elite prospects at the position but Shipley has certainly shown enough this season to warrant mid-to-late second-round consideration.

Georgia Tech junior Demaryius Thomas is a tough evaluation because he is so raw as a route-runner. Thomas makes the vast majority of his catches in the spread triple-option scheme on vertical sideline routes and is simply not asked to do much in terms of finding voids in zone coverage or working the intermediate areas of the field. Like Shipley, he will need a good position coach to help him develop in that area.

From a pure skill standpoint, though, Thomas is a beast when the ball is in the air. He is a big (6-3, 229), physical receiver who shows good body control along the sideline and also has the unique ability to consistently find the ball over his shoulder when running full speed downfield. If he comes out this year Thomas could sneak into the bottom of the first round.

The third member of the group is Notre Dame junior Golden Tate, who is a bit smaller and not as physically blessed as Thomas but competes hard for the ball, works back to the quarterback when the play breaks down and shows strong hands in traffic. Simply put, Tate just seems to make plays when his team needs them.

His fourth-quarter touchdown on a punt return against Pittsburgh is a perfect example. Tate has not been a major contributor in that area during his career but he pulled the Fighting Irish to within a touchdown late in the game. He just comes through in big spots.

Tate is not a first-round talent from a physical standpoint but he knows how to separate from coverage and bring the ball in and is always competing. There is room for players like him in the NFL and Tate has gone from an under-the-radar mid-round prospect to an early second-rounder and perhaps even a late first-rounder.

Around the nation

• Nebraska DT Ndamukong Suh (Scouts Inc.-rated No. 3) will get plenty of chances to make tackles Saturday as the Huskers take on run-oriented Kansas State.

"Suh likes hard-nosed, physical football," the Omaha World-Herald writes: "So anytime the Huskers line up opposite teams that like to run the ball, Suh has extra motivation to play well.

"This is great for me," he said. "That's my type of football, not the cutesy stuff we see in the majority (of games) in our conference."

• Oklahoma DT Gerald McCoy (No. 2) may anchor one of the best Sooners defenses ever. Had it not been for injuries to QB Sam Bradford (No. 10) and TE Jermaine Gresham (No. 28), who knows how far Oklahoma could have gone this season?

"It's been a neat group, like I said. It's probably been our best as far as their wanting to practice well and to really know. They're really smart," OU coach Bob Stoops told the Tulsa World "They see where an offense is trying to create gaps and how we need to cancel them. And some guys, or some teams, they go through practice and they get it but these guys really want to get it, you know? And really pay attention and practice well. They have a really strong pride about them and performing well. They love to perform well in practice."

• Was Saturday the last time Penn State LB Navorro Bowman (No. 13) will ever play in Happy Valley? "I can always get better as a football player," Bowman told the The Progress of Clearfield (Pa.). "There are a lot of things you have to put into perspective in making a decision like this. I'm going to do that. I can get better as a football player, but you have to make the choice that's right for you. I'm just blessed to be in this position. There are going to be a lot of things that play into this (decision)."

• Tulane WR Jeremy Williams (No. 101) has been one of the bright spots in a disappointing season for the Green Wave. Williams is 8 yards shy of a 1,000-yard season and the New Orleans Times-Picayune reports that RB Andre Anderson (913 rushing yards) and Williams (992 receiving yards) could become the first duo in school history to reach 1,000 yards in the same season.

"It just shows we have done some good things during the year," Anderson told the Times-Picayune. "It's one of the few goals out there that we can grab and get."

• Is Washington QB Jake Locker (No. 7) going pro? Even his coach doesn't know. The Seattle Times talked to Huskies coach Steve Sarkisian, who said Monday he doesn't know what Locker will do and that the coach will help in Locker's decision-making process once the season is over.

"We'll assess it after the year," Sarkisian said. "I think Jake is a bright young man who is patient, he's got two tremendous parents that have raised him extremely well, and we'll get all the proper information in place and he'll make a really good decision in what's best for he and his family, and not just the immediate, but for his future as well."

clausen is good but he's also playing with arguably the two best WRs in college football (and a dope tight end) - he's big tho, has a rocket of course & has a good offensive mind for a head coach - he looks pretty great to me

really what his problem is gonna be is reading defenses - right now so much of the ND offense is just throwing deep balls/fades for tate & floyd (understandably because they are so good) but he's gonna be in for a bit of a shock when he's asked to throw some 12-15 yard routes over the middle against NFL defenses

like if you look at ryan & flacco - obv the two models for young nfl qbs - those guys didn't have superior athletes with them where they could just throw balls up like clausen does (ditto for like culter), so they had to be much better 'normal' QBs if that makes sense - not having USC or texas (or notre dame)-type talent probably really helped them develop their minds & eyes

Yeah, I don't know all the ins and outs of how team scouts really evaluate QB prospects, but Clausen seems like a potential dud in the Brady Quinn mold to me. On the other hand, he reminds me a little bit of Eli Manning who now has a Super Bowl ring.

Berry should go ahead of Mays as a safety, but Mays should still be #2 I think.

People are sleeping a little on George Selvie too. USF is having a dreadful year and his production is down, but there were two seasons when he was the best DE in the state of Florida.

Jordan Shipley

o_O

anyway yeah notre dame's track record w/qbs post-montana is pretty terrible. the whole bledsoe or mirer debate wasn't quite manning vs leaf but the difference was almost as stark in terms of success vs failure. quinn totally looked like a future nfl star at points too but he just looks clueless out there, despite my thought that perhaps it's because of shitty coaching.

i feel like clausen might have some of the same intangibles issues as quinn seems to have as well.

Part of the problem is (and they'll all deny it) old people having reverence and awe for Notre Dame football. People my age (35) and younger don't, and can see right through all the hyperbole about their star players and draft prospects. tbh, I hope some team picks up Clausen in the first round and starts him right away so maybe we can put an end to it once and for all.

here's the list of QBs chosen in the first round since 1990 fwiw:

Matt Ryan
Joe Flacco
JaMarcus Russell
Brady Quinn
Vince Young
Matt Leinart
Jay Cutler
Alex Smith
Aaron Rodgers
Jason Campbell
Eli Manning
Philip Rivers
Ben Roethlisberger
J.P. Losman
Carson Palmer
Byron Leftwich
Kyle Boller
Rex Grossman
David Carr
Joey Harrington
Patrick Ramsey
Michael Vick
Chad Pennington
Tim Couch
Donovan McNabb
Akili Smith
Daunte Culpepper
Cade McNown
Peyton Manning
Ryan Leaf
Jim Druckenmiller
Steve McNair
Kerry Collins
Heath Shuler
Trent Dilfer
Drew Bledsoe
Rick Mirer
David Klingler
Tommy Maddox
Dan McGwire
Todd Marinovich
Jeff George
Andre Ware

it's about 50/50 on bust vs reliable starter/star

it seems like teams have gotten way better - leftwich -> ware is pretty much a huge fucking wasteland w/ the exception of like 4 players

ok more like 8

kinda interesting that maybe the most successful guys on that list (aside from manning and mcnabb) came from smaller schools and most of the guys from big, nationally recognized programs have flopped.

Prognostication based on nothing:

Colt McCoy - eh.
Sam Bradford - eh.
Tim Tebow - could excel in a Vick 1.0 vein, we'll see.
Jake Locker - will do well, provided he even goes to the NFL.

xp i suppose it makes sense--if you distinguish yourself that much in a smaller school you probably had more to do with your own success

btw i have an important scouting note abt marqis daniels--he is weak

whoa getting my sports threads confused

tebow will make a nice 5th round h-back

You're ignoring his leadership intangibles, canks.

i think a team is gonna jump on tebow in the first three rounds, like the dolphins did with pat white - if a team that gets him is willing to be creative with him - beyond, omg it's a tebow wildcat! - i think he could be really great - the pats supposedly coveting him is awesome imo - he would be great in the redzone for them, esp if he is able to catch and shit - he's so strong & athletic - you could do tons of shit with him - i hope a team drafts him & hatches some plans beyond "we are moving you to tight end/linebacker"

i hope tebow has a successful career as an out of focus benchwarmer standing a few feet behind the head coach.

like if the jags draft him to try and save their existence in jacksonville it's gonna be a thoroughly depressing situation - there needs to be a team that will motion him run options and stuff

it's really a shock to me that more teams aren't open to the option - it's such a stupid mental barrier in the nfl - if you have guys like white & young & tebow who ran it for their whole college careers, you can really, really throw nfl defenses off if you let them run it bcuz obv nfl defenses just don't prepare for that - off the top of my head, the dolphins broke two huge plays against the pats letting ricky & pat white run the option, including a TD - and last week the titans ran some option with vince & chris johnson and they broke two huge runs - this is what tebow should be doing imo

Jags want him, this much is true. He probably wants to go there, too, because I can't imagine him being happy thousands of miles away from his parents and his church. Ha!

I think he'll go to the Rams, though, if UF wins the championship game.

the main flaw with the wildcat is that ronnie brown isn't a competent enough passer & pat white can't play the main position because he's too small to run up the middle - tebow on the other hand, could be that up the gut point person in the wildcat, but he can also throw the ball & he could run an option with the sweep guy - all types of shit - just need open minded coaches

(If they don't, he suits up as a Jaguar in 2010.) xp

Tebow's deceptive at UF. There's no need to run the wildcat there, as Jordan pointed out, because the UF modus operandi is what other teams turn to as a wildcat play.

i'm serious tho - if whoever gets tebow lets him go into the gun on 3rd and 5 & under and run some zone reads - esp that play that florida runs where they have the tight end option up the middle with the rb to the outside - will have a dimension that no one in the nfl has - the guy can obv not be a pro quarterback - he hasn't taken a snap under center in his whole career (maybe once) & learning to read defenses while dropping back from under center will alone cost him like a whole year - but it would be a waste for a team to not draft him and utilize the QB aspects that he (and maybe only he) has

every big running qb that has come out of college - i'm thinking vince, pat white, seneca - hasn't been big enough to be used as a primary runner - tebow could take on NFL LBs and presumably stay healthy

yeah well that's the thing isnt it - guys who can run like a running back (this is important, as opposed to just being a guy who's good at scrambling around - this is why vick will never be much of a weapon in the wildcat) and throw like a quarterback aren't so plentiful. the matchup problems u create for defenses by being so versatile with the same personnel also has the drawback that you're not going to be that great at all these things ure threatning to do - it used to be that players in the nfl were valued for their versatility, fullbacks with swiss army knife skillsets were the stars of the league, but that's really a style of play more suited to the college game now

I think Tebow is either a QB or a FB, definitely not a HB.

I think there's gonna be a run on QB's in the first and second round in this draft, and a lot of them are going to be reaches. There are a lot of teams out there that need an upgrade.

Especially when you consider the fact that there won't really be a lot of good free agent QB options. I mean, every team that has a good QB has essentially locked them up already.

has orton been extended? him, campbell and pennington will all be FAs

campbell's not as bad as people think btw

And I shall list them. Please correct, add or subtract if necessary:

Panthers, Redskins, Rams, Cardinals, Raiders, Browns, 49ers, Seahawks, Bills (maybe Broncos).

If you put Jason Campbell in a situation with a good o-line and a couple of decent-to-excellent wide receivers, he could be successful. Successful is different than good.

I doubt the Cardinals would draft a QB before giving Leinert a chance.

I think Denver will lock Orton up for sure.

That doesn't mean they won't draft somebody, though. Probably 4th-7th round.

I wonder if someone trades for Rosenfels or Jackson.

I think the Rams would be making a mistake if they drafted a QB. Bulger is nothing special but he's the least of their problems.

Titans are a maybe, I think.

actually, and im just thinkin out loud, i wonder if the recent, relative success of the wildcat family of offensive concepts has more to do with the rising popularity of the unbalanced line than it does w/the resurgence of the option - offensive lines are so fuckin big now, every team has packages with 6-man lines these days, and if you have a QB who can spread the field it gives you a lot of opportunities to unleash your running game on nickel defenses

xxp Bulger's not doing anything to help solve their problems, though.

xxxp Tavaris Jackson has fixable issues. If another team would put the time into him, he could do well.

Can you really say that the wildcat has been successful for anyone but the Dolphins? And it works for them because they have a backup QB who can run, and a RB who can pass who is also a very good RB, and a backup RB who is superb, and a dynamite guy for reverses in Ginn. It's a very unique bunch of guys. Otherwise I think you're really just talking about running backs who are running on direct snaps, for the most part.

Otherwise I think you're really just talking about running backs who are running on direct snaps, for the most part.

^^^ this. Half the plays every Sunday that get called a wildcat in the play-by-play booth really are no such thing.

xxp Bulger's not doing anything to help solve their problems, though.

The question is, who helps them more? I think they should concentrate on defenders, offensive line, and playmakers. Maybe grab a project QB, or bring in someone else's backup to compete with Bulger. I don't think Sam Bradford or Locker or etc. could succeed with the talent assembled around him.

The Rams are so effed they may as well just start with a figurehead.

The delicious irony of Sam Bradford potentially going to the REDSKINS just occurred to me.

yeah exactly - the deluge of wildcats from other teams has taken out of focus just how good it has been for the dolphins - you need to be able to threaten up the middle & with the sweep & the phins have established that - similarly, you need to have a point man who can read what is going on and decide whether to hand the ball off to the sweep man or not or run it up the gut - this is complicated stuff that needs to be worked on - you can't just throw a dude back there and have him run into the backs of your linemen - ronnie brown just runs it so well

The delicious irony of Sam Bradford potentially going to the REDSKINS just occurred to me.

― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, November 18, 2009 9:29 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark

THIS

btw, the rams are no brainer taking a QB - even if it's not "right" for them, they need to give their fans some sort of hope - they need a stafford there - also their defense is hon okay - they have on of the best safeties in the league that no one knows about (atogwe) & they already spent a high pick on chris long - last year they took a tackle - i think this year is a no brainer year for them to be taking a QB, whether it works or not

they need huge wr help - they have the least amount of playmakers in the nfl

sorry obv the browns are behind them

because of steven jackson alone

Poor Browns. If they hadn't lost James Davis and D'qwell Jackson, it's conceivable they might have more to show for the season at this point.

Panthers, Redskins, Rams, Cardinals, Raiders, Browns, 49ers, Seahawks, Bills (maybe Broncos).

of these teams, i think niners, hawks, panthers, bills have the best chance of getting the best QB - someone in mid round 1 or 2 that they don't reach for like maybe the browns, skins, raiders, rams will

xxxp Tavaris Jackson has fixable issues. If another team would put the time into him, he could do well.

― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, November 18, 2009 10:24 PM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i used to think this, but really he just sucks, the only thing he can do semi-competently is bootleg

i'm serious tho - if whoever gets tebow lets him go into the gun on 3rd and 5 & under and run some zone reads - esp that play that florida runs where they have the tight end option up the middle with the rb to the outside - will have a dimension that no one in the nfl has - the guy can obv not be a pro quarterback - he hasn't taken a snap under center in his whole career (maybe once) & learning to read defenses while dropping back from under center will alone cost him like a whole year - but it would be a waste for a team to not draft him and utilize the QB aspects that he (and maybe only he) has

― chillwave dudes get washed out, totally (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, November 18, 2009 9:53 PM (41 minutes ago)

o_0 this is one sentence

it's more like a bunch of bullet points tbh

it's not like i'm actually using the dash as an actual punctuation tool!

haha that's literally how it read to me and i was thinking like "damn he's not going to use a period is he? reading way too many icecraem posts"

yup exactly

the rams are actually really really horrible on defense, they have a lot of guys with good madden ratings who are actually not good players at all - i'm still a chris long believer (though i think he's probably best suited to play rush linebacker in a 34, he seems overmatched playing on the line) but they really, really need a lot of talent all over the place on that D

I took a look at the schedule, and this is a sort of rough guess of what the draft order will be.

STL
Cleveland
Tampa Bay
Detroit
Oakland
Washington
Buffalo
KC
Seattle
Carolina
Chicago
SF
Tennessee
NY Jets
Miami

But a few of those belong to other teams, I think?

Denver has Chicago's, and SF has Carolina's.

the rams are actually really really horrible on defense, they have a lot of guys with good madden ratings who are actually not good players at all - i'm still a chris long believer (though i think he's probably best suited to play rush linebacker in a 34, he seems overmatched playing on the line) but they really, really need a lot of talent all over the place on that D

― NEW YORK DESERVED 9-11 (cankles), Wednesday, November 18, 2009 11:04 PM (4 minutes ago)

loool @ judging a player's irl performances against the madden rating standard

Guesses:

Russell Okung: Detroit
Dez Bryant: Kansas City

SF goes OL, D with their two picks.

Denver drafts defense.

http://blogs.chron.com/fantasyfootball/2009/11/current_nfl_draft_grades_from.html

Current NFL draft grades from scouts: UT, A&M, LSU, OU, OSU, TCU and UH

I will be back tomorrow with my report card for the Texans defense nine games into the 2009 season but let's take a quick look at the 2010 NFL Draft and some of the draft grades from players in this area.

Keep in mind that I am well aware that there are many more draft prospects out there than just the names I will cover here, but I'm going to keep it to this list for now and then expand it more after the college season is over.

I consulted with four different scouts and got varying opinions on players but I'll generalize the draft grades for you. Keep in mind that a draft "grade" is different than where they will stack players before the draft comes up. They can be completely different.

Oklahoma

**Updated** Jermaine Gresham, TE, OU - 1st Round

Jeremy Beal, DE, OU - 4th/5th Round

Sam Bradford, QB, OU - 1st Round (3 scouts with a 1st grade and one with a 3rd)
Scout's Take: "Everyone else may give him a 1st, but I've got a 3rd on him. I think his arm is just okay and I have a problem with how he handles pressure. If you get in his face, I suspect he would be exposed a little bit."

Gerald McCoy, DT, OU - High 1st Round

Trent Williams, OT, OU - 1st Round
Scout's Take: "Williams is a top 10 talent but he is very lazy and the film won't lie when teams really study him so he could fall to the late 1st."

DeMarco Murray, RB, OU - 4th/5th Round

Oklahoma State

**Updated** Russell Okung, LT, OSU - 1st Round

**Updated** Dez Bryant, WR, OSU - Top 10
Scout's Take: "Bryant is a better pro prospect than Crabtree in my opinion because he's faster and I think he'll get off press coverage in the pros better than Crabtree. He can run. He will run in the low 4.4s or maybe faster. Crabtree was a 4.5 guy."

Texas

Sergio Kindle, OLB/DE, UT - 1st Round
Scout's Take: "He didn't play as consistently this year as I expected, but he's got great NFL attributes and I would love for us to get our hands on him."

Colt McCoy, QB, UT - 2nd/3rd Round

Earl Thomas, FS, UT - 2nd Round
Scout's Take: "I love this Thomas kid. I know he probably won't come out, but he's got terrific range, great instincts and he's not afraid to stick his nose in there. He's a much better football player than the Mays kid at USC."

**Updated** Jordan Shipley, WR, UT - 3rd/4th
Scout's Take: "He has really helped him draft stock this year. He won't be a fit for us, but I trust him as a draft pick more than Brandon LaFell who will be drafted in the 1st round."

LSU

Brandon LaFell, WR, LSU - 1st/2nd
Scout's Take: "He is a better athlete than Dwayne Bowe or Michael Clayton were coming out but he has a ton of drops. He has very small hands and drops will be an issue."

Charles Scott, RB, LSU - 5th Round

Terrance Tolliver, WR, LSU - 3rd Round
Scout's Take: "He'll probably get drafted higher than the 3rd round, but that's my grade on him and I don't really like him too much as a draft prospect."

Houston, TCU, Texas A&M

Case Keenum, QB, UH - 2nd/3rd Round (one scout gave him a 4th round grade)
Scout's Take: "I think everyone's grade on this kid is going to be a little bit soft because I think everyone will do much more studying if he declares. If he doesn't then he'll get picked over and looked at closer by scouts next summer."

Jerry Hughes, DE, TCU - 2nd Round

Von Miller, OLB, A&M - 2nd Round
Scout's Take: "Von Miller is the 2nd best defensive player I've seen all year in the Big 12 behind Gerald McCoy. I think he can end up going in the last 1st."

Posted by Lance Zierlein at November 12, 2009 08:01 AM

j0rdan's otm w/ tebow

dude's not a sure thing on any one measure, but he is a super talented athlete who could end up doing all kinds of things. having him in your pocket for redzone situations just to fuck w/ the d = worth a 2nd round pick imo.

dolphins will be taking a LB or WR - i can guarantee this

super weak CB class this year too - haden is def bolting, will be v interesting to see where he lands - that guy can fucking play - in fact all those gator defenders can - if a bunch of them leave they are gonna own the first round

what is the word on the central mich QB? i have an anti-big conference coworker constantly yapping in my ear abt the dude

People have been dropping Dan LeFevour's name into draft conversations since last season (first time I heard of/saw him was when they played Georgia in 2008). I've seen him play 2 or 3 times since then, including last night, and he seems really talented. Central Mich runs the spread, though, so intense retraining will be necessary.

read this about tebow, a lot of it--not all--makes sense to me:

Tim Tebow's Scouting Report
By Matt McGuire

Strengths: Muscular build and great bulk ... Solid arm strength ... Very good accuracy on the deep ball ... Great feel for a pass rush and has a great mental clock of when to step out of the pocket ... Athletic enough; can pick up the first down with his legs ... Powerful runner ... Good character and strong work ethic.

Weaknesses: Absolutely horrendous footwork ... Plays in a run-option offense and it will take him 2-3 years to learn an NFL offense ... Horrible touch on the football, which is difficult to catch ... Nice accuracy on the deep ball, but it's very inconsistent in the intermediate routes ... Extremely long release ... Shown no improvement in his mechanics over his career ... Locks on to primary receivers all the time ... Speed at wide receiver made a lot of his throws look better than they actually were.

Summary: Tim Tebow lacks the basic precision passing qualities for what it takes to be an NFL quarterback, and as of now I'm giving him a fourth-round draft grade ... Needs to improve mechanics drastically ... Transition to being an NFL signal caller should take some time ... Needs to be more of a calm/cool/collected leader on the field rather than being so emotional ... Second halves against Michigan and LSU showed Tebow's great flaws when they neutralized the run option and forced him to be a pocket quarterback ... He could be a solid fullback in the NFL with his running style if it doesn't work out at quarterback.

Player Comparison: Byron Leftwich. Both players have a similar release and solid mobility. Leftwich could never master the necessary timing and accuracy recquired in a West Coast offense. I fear the same for Tebow.

i could see the leftwich thing in terms of throwing, but the idea that leftwich had "solid mobility" is....what

yeah that's weird, leftwich has been a hobbler since college.

i might have mixed feelings on tebow because of the FLA thing. FLA qbs who played in the nfl:

Kerwin Bell, Rex Grossman, Bob Hewko, Doug Johnson, Eric Kresser, Shane Matthews, Jesse Palmer, John Reaves, Kay Stephenson, Danny Wuerffel, and Steve Spurrier.

That's a dire list, certainly.

Kinda feel like you have to judge guys based on who coached them, not just what college they went to. Not a lot of Urban Meyer guys on that list. And none of those guys are anything like Tebow.

i will remain surprised if tebow is anything beyond "okay" in the nfl

yeah tebow is a whole diff story. i wouldn't be surprised if meyer never has a successful QB in the nfl, he just doesn't teach his QBs things that happen in the nfl. and obv he shouldn't because it works for him in college. but, alex smith obv is not good evidence in his favor.

i never meant to suggest my FLA bias was rational, just "interesting". maybe tebow will be a star, it's possible. but i guess whenever i've seen these guys like him who are halfway here and halfway there in college, good at various things due to sheer athleticism (but maybe not particularly "sharp") and they always just seem to get lost in the nfl.

i mean, there are some guys who are just super athletes and it translates - randel-el, seneca has been in the league forever, even someone like antonio gates kind of counts in this realm i think. sometimes it translates. some - like nebraska qbs or oklahoma qbs - are just pure system players

I'll tell you one thing: I'd rather take Tim Tebow and try to build a team around him that caters to his skill rather than try to win games with some guy who doesn't have any natural ability but is comfortable in a pro offense.

Is Chris Leak still a backup in Chicago? That's the only other UF quarterback that Meyer has coached, btw. (Granted, Alex Smith isn't a great example from the Utah days, but Meyer's really only coached two QB's at UF so far and Tebow is a whole different story.)

As far as Alex Smith is concerned, Meyer took a relative non-prospect and turned him into a #1 overall pick in the draft. And Smith has flashed some ability with SF despite playing with a different OC every year of his pro career, and Singletary isn't asking him to do very much. I would take Smith over pretty much anyone among the unproven tier of quarterbacks, and over washed up veteran guys like Delhomme and etc.

i'm certainly curious to see where tebow ends up and how he's used. it will take someone very creative, though. he can either be a centerpiece (in jax?) or an added weapon to a team (if he's willing to sacrifice his centerpiece position for one as a skilled role player, like reggie bush has.)

the reggie bush thing is a good comparison - if a team like jax or stl picks him to galvanize fans & prays that he can adjust to the nfl i do not think that it will go well at all

i dunno about alex smith being any good, btw. he's been "okay" at times but he's not showing anything that makes him worthy of a high draft pick (at least to me.) he seems to be just a shade below "replacement level."

then again, drew brees didn't look very good in his first 2+ seasons either. shit changes in this game.

Is Chris Leak still a backup in Chicago? That's the only other UF quarterback that Meyer has coached, btw. (Granted, Alex Smith isn't a great example from the Utah days, but Meyer's really only coached two QB's at UF so far and Tebow is a whole different story.)

― Johnny Fever, Thursday, November 19, 2009 3:11 PM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

cfl

Even though it was only a short time ago, it's hard for me to remember Brees in a Chargers uni.

the bears are a cfl team now? bout time I guess

lol

I mean, I'd rather have Josh Freeman or Ryan or Flacco or Sanchez or Stafford or etc. than Alex Smith, but when you get to the next group after that, there are a lot of lousy dudes.

here's the pre-playoffs draft order:

(F indicates position to be determined by coin flip; P indicates position still subject to playoff positioning)

1 St. Louis 1-15
2 Detroit 2-14
3 Tampa Bay 3-13
4 Washington 4-12
5 Kansas City 4-12
6 Seattle 5-11
7 Cleveland 5-11
8 Oakland 5-11
9 Buffalo 6-10
10F Jacksonville 7-9
10F Denver (from Chicago) 7-9
12 Miami 7-9
13 San Francisco 8-8
14 Seattle (from Denver) 8-8
15 New York Giants 8-8
16F Tennessee 8-8
16F San Francisco (from Carolina) 8-8
18 Pittsburgh 9-7
19F Atlanta 9-7
20F Houston 9-7
21P New York Jets 9-7
22P Baltimore 9-7
23P Arizona 10-6
24P Cincinnati 10-6
25P New England 10-6
26P Green Bay 11-5
27P Philadelphia 11-5
28P Dallas 11-5
29P Minnesota 12-4
30P San Diego 13-3
31P New Orleans 13-3
32P Indianapolis 14-2

So will St. Louis take Suh or take a chance on a QB?

Clearly Detroit would take Suh at #2 if he was still there.

rams should take suh and try and get a qb in the second round, or trade down for someone who really covets suh & take a qb later in the first + the bevy of picks in the trade

i don't think they should just take him first overall

Is there a QB in the draft worth burning the #1 overall on? They all kind of seem like guys you have to talk yourself into drafting high.

Yeah, that's how I feel. Maybe Bradford if he has an amazing combine, but otherwise I would pass.

if the rams dont pick suh, they should be kicked out of the league.

i think trading down would be INSANE - you trade down when you don't like the options available to you, not when you have the best defensive prospect of the decade sitting on your doorstep

it's not a good year for QBs in the first round either, so

fans are already being retarded about it b/c they see some gritty white qbs who talk about jesus. you are terrible at drafting so take the most obvious pick possible. if they want more picks they should trade steven jackson for them.

cankles, who do you think is the one qb in college right now who is the best candidate (or candidates) to perform well in the pros? I am including guys who aren't coming out this year.

I honestly have no idea. I mean, QB seems like a huge crapshoot across the board, but most of the best QBs in the league are former first rounders, so there is some sort of method to the drafting process.

Actually, I really love Max Hall from BYU, but I don't think he projects as a first rounder.

I think after I saw this in the wake of the Heisman voting that I became terrified Suh would end up on the Lions and murder Aaron Rodgers twice a year: http://www.sbnation.com/2009/12/11/1196690/ndamukong-suh-is-better-than-your

And it's not like teams were single-teaming him or running the ball anywhere near his direction, either.

So if we're assuming that Suh goes #1, who do the Lions take? I think OL or defense make the most sense. I like Eric Berry but I don't think he's the sort of building block that the Lions need.

Bradford or Clausen

as for guys who arent coming out... uh, barkley, locker, masoli all look promising... luck, foles, the pac 10 is crawling with interesting qb prospects.... i mean when u start talking freshman and sophs ure looking at a lot of guys without polish and maturity, to the extent that its not really even fair to talk about projecting them for the pros... they have a lot of football ahead of them

I really don't like Clausen. It seems like he makes dumb mistakes every time I watch him play. He reminds me of Cutler or Sanchez.

Yeah, Clausen has huge bust written all over him.

i mean when u start talking freshman and sophs ure looking at a lot of guys without polish and maturity, to the extent that its not really even fair to talk about projecting them for the pros... they have a lot of football ahead of them

Right, but if you're one of the teams that desperately needs a QB, would you really sacrifice another year and hope someone good comes along in '11 instead of taking a flier on a guy like Colt McCoy who actually won a shitload of games in college, and didn't come from an exceedingly gimmicky offense?

i think if the rams could swing a near ricky williams/saints trade for the top pick/suh that they have to do it. that team is so insanely in shambles that they could put an actual transformer at defensive tackle and probably still win 6 games total in the next two years. to me, they seem like a team that needs quantity, not quality. their defense isn't even that bad tbh & they already picked chris long two years ago.

re: method to the madness, personally I really really prefer 4-year starters and tend not to trust underclassman QBs, though they work out sometimes (roethlisberger). imo you have to throw out stats most of the time and you have to look for guys who already have nfl skill sets... i dont like drafting someone with the idea that you're going to teach him to be good at things he hasn't displayed a talent for. you also need to have a very good idea about the guy's work ethic, the QB should always be the hardest working guy on the team. when you have guys like jamarcus, who was widely known to have been a guy who his coaches at LSU had to push to do just the bare minimum to get by, you know he's set to fail spectacularly.

Given that there is a potential for a lockout, there also seems like a possibility that a new slotting system could be put in place for the '10 draft, which hypothetically could make the #1 pick much much more attractive than normal. If you could draft Suh at #1 and sign him for a reasonable rate, you could trade that pick for a boatload of picks.

mccoy won a shitload of games on arguably the most talented team in football... u gotta be careful when u go down that road (the 'he just wins' road), for there be leinarts down that path~

Jason Campbell was another guy who I thought was a puzzler when he was drafted. His collegiate offense was all about the two running backs behind him, and he was basically a game manager.

i love suh as much as the next guy but i really advocate how the patriots are always trying to cash in high picks for more picks. of course that means you have to hit on those lower guys— not like the rams, in this hypothetical, would be getting a bunch of third and fourth round picks, though— but yeah.

mccoy won a shitload of games on arguably the most talented team in football... u gotta be careful when u go down that road (the 'he just wins' road), for there be leinarts down that path

Yeah, but what are McCoy's negatives? I don't recall hearing anything about his work ethic or his size or the system he plays in. I feel like people are undervaluing him because he has some bad measurables or something, like Drew Brees outta Purdue.

you have to hit on those lower guys

Which the Rams have not been doing lately.

the rams defense is HORRIBLE dude. it is objectively awful http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamdef

they have no linebackers, they have no corners, they have no defensive tackles. who do they have to build on defensively? laurinitis and long? long's been underwhelming (tho i'm still a believer) and laurinitis is an overachiever without a ton of upside. they need quantity AND quality. when you build up a roster of average-ish dudes, which is what they'd be poised to do if they gave away suh for a bunch of lesser picks, you end up with the bills... they have a bunch of guys who are pretty solid, but almost no difference-makers. plus, because of roster sizes, having all that value in ONE player is a lot better than having equal value spread across a bunch of lesser players. they have the rest of the draft to get those guys!

i did lol at the transformer line tho

i think the qb crop this year is really littered with potential huge busts w/ bradford, clausen, mccoy & tebow

2011 is also kinda weak, guys that potentially blossom imo would be:
christian ponder (fsu), jerrod johnson (texas a&m)

2012 will be a huge year tho, tons of great guys here (some could come out early tho, prob will):
ryan mallet (ark), blaine gabbert (mizzou), john brantley (uf), nick foles (az), pryor (ohio st), dayne crist (nd)

2013 you have potentially luck & barkley, both will be pretty huge prospects i think

i love suh as much as the next guy but i really advocate how the patriots are always trying to cash in high picks for more picks. of course that means you have to hit on those lower guys— not like the rams, in this hypothetical, would be getting a bunch of third and fourth round picks, though— but yeah.

― Queef Latina (J0rdan S.), Monday, January 4, 2010 3:03 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark

theyre usually doing that because theyre not in position to draft the kind of blue chip talent you get in the first 10-12 picks or so! the field has been whittled down for them when they get to pick, and at that point it can be smart to start moving around picks and trade down

Yeah, but what are McCoy's negatives? I don't recall hearing anything about his work ethic or his size or the system he plays in. I feel like people are undervaluing him because he has some bad measurables or something, like Drew Brees outta Purdue.

― real bears playing hockey (polyphonic), Monday, January 4, 2010 3:05 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark

bad, tebow-esque mechanics... i think with him you're just getting a mediocre player from a winning program

i think barkley's gonna own

Obviously NFL O-linemen are going to be better than college O-linemen, but Suh forced everybody to double-team him (or triple-team him), and not because he was out-sizing everybody. He's the prospect with the best chance of forcing the other team to put two guys to contain him, which means everybody else is playing 10 on 9. Granted the other 10 guys on the Rams will probably still continue to be shitty, but still.

yeah i mean i wouldn't begrudge them for getting suh of course, but i think if a team makes them a godfather deal that they should do it.

yeah wrt to colt:

he's small, doesn't have a huge arm, plays in a really good system — think about how vince young as a passer translated to the nfl & remember that he was basically an equal passer to mccoy in college. also a big knock on mccoy is that he doesn't play well AT ALL against top competition

its gonna be interesting to see where berry goes... i love the guy, but im not a fan of safeties in the top 10

yeah sean taylor was probably the best safety prospect of the modern era and even he wasn't a huge playmaker w/ the skins. and laron landry has been... a disaster from what i can tell.

yeah landry's been terrible... whitner seems to be not very good, same with huff

Whitner seemed great in his first season or two, and then he just disappeared.

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/blog/dr_saturday/post/Tim-Tebow-meets-his-worst-career-fears-in-Senior?urn=ncaaf,215726

when he showed up Monday for the first day of heavy scrutiny at the Senior Bowl, all the old alarm bells started ringing at maximum volume -- Tebow reportedly flubbed his first snap from center, and it only got uglier from there:

Performing drills with fellow South team quarterbacks Zac Robinson of Oklahoma State and Jarrett Brown of West Virginia, Tebow fumbled the ball at least twice while taking snaps under center.

Later in team drills, Tebow fell into his same old habits — holding onto the ball too long, locking onto receivers and throwing wobbly passes.

The scouts noticed.

"He looks like the third QB out there," one NFC South talent evaluator said.

Third behind Robinson and Brown? Yikes!

i love senior bowl week! highlights of day one:

-terrence cody weighed in at 370
http://media.al.com/press-register-sports/photo/codyjpg-e24e4d7e12dce4d6_medium.jpg
-tebow took ~10 snaps from under center, fumbled 7 of them

I was going to say nsfw until I realized that is a human male.

yup, those are some mean MOOBS

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/andy_staples/01/26/tim-tebow/index.html?eref=sihp

Had Pam Tebow followed doctor's orders in 1987 and aborted her pregnancy, there wouldn't be a Tim Tebow for TMZ to publish shirtless photographs of.

dodged that....bullet?

mchsay's practice blog

South team
• Practice has wrapped on Day 2 and we have a lot to digest. Be sure to check back throughout the week for our full reports on each day's practices and for full scouting breakdowns and practice reports on six big-name players taking part in the festivities here in Mobile.

• South Carolina OLB Eric Norwood showed in college that he can block punts and he just got another one here during the special teams period.

• Georgia DT Geno Atkins is showing good quickness today and looks like a solid fit as a 3-technique in the NFL. At one point Atkins abused Alabama G Mike Johnson with a quick first step and good hand use.

• Florida WR Riley Cooper is having a solid day, making a spectacular one-handed catch over South Florida's Jerome Murphy.

• West Virginia's Selvish Capers has been the best offensive lineman on the South team during Day 2. He is showing good mobility, getting to the second level well and would be a good fit for a zone blocking team. Capers stopped Georgia DL Jeff Owens cold twice during drills.

• LSU RB Charles Scott has been relentless as a blocker during 9-on-7 drills. Scott also showed great focus during 7-on-7s by catching a pass that bounced off the hands of South Carolina OLB Eric Norwood.

• Alabama RB Roy Upchurch made a nice catch on a wheel route and ran with good balance during 9-on-7 drills.

• Drills have not been kind to USC S Taylor Mays, who needs to show he can hold up in coverage this week. He looks stiff and is having trouble opening his hips out of his backpedal during 1-on-1s.

• Ole Miss RB/WR Dexter McCluster has been quick in his routes during 1-on-1 drills, catching the ball well and making a nice diving grab on a deep ball from Tim Tebow.

• South Carolina OLB Eric Norwood tried to jam Auburn RB Ben Tate early in his route but whiffed and could not recover. Tate tracked the ball well despite looking back into the sun and made the catch down the seam.

•Texas MLB Rod Muckelroy moved well laterally and exploded up into the hole during bag work early but looked stiff during one-on-one coverage drills.

• A pair of defensive backs are looking good early. Both Oklahoma State CB Perrish Cox and South Florida S Nate Allen have been very fluid changing directions so far in drills.

• Depth in his drops and inconsistent accuracy are still a problem for Tim Tebow as today's practice gets underway. He also appears to be pushing the ball rather than snapping it out of his hand.

• As the South team gets loose for practice we're wondering how Florida State S Myron Rolle will respond after his body lagged behind his mind on Day 1. The rust showed after Rolle spent the last year studying at Oxford. And the big buzz here in Mobile is that Tim Tebow has come down with strep throat, though he has said he will continue practicing.

West Virginia QB Jarrett Brown will also be under the microscope after struggling with his drops and footwork on Day 1, and we'll be watching where Ole Miss WR/RB Dexter McCluster lines up as he tried to find a role in the NFL.

Finally, Alabama NT Terrence Cody has to show the endurance to be effective for the entire practice. He looked pretty bad while weighing in at 370 pounds and there are enough concerns about his weight and discipline that is stock could start taking a big hit.

While he played on worse teams, I think Claussen is way more polished looking than Quinn coming out of ND. Claussen is pretty good at throwing short passes and screens. ND's offense wasn't the reason they sucked.

Matt Ryan - haven't seen him play much, but the guy had a bit of a sophomore slump - we will see.
Joe Flacco - he looks OK to me, but the guy has had some odd games in the playoffs, that being said there is not that many QBs who have 3 playoff wins in their first 2 seasons.
JaMarcus Russell - this dude is a joke
Brady Quinn - He looks really blocky and awkward to me.
Vince Young - crazy career arc already started the guy has gone from phenom to bust and back. I'm really interested to see what he will do next year.
Matt Leinart - Who knows, he could have been the guy in Arizona and played his way out of a job to Warner. It will be interesting to see if he can make it work after Warner walks away.
Jay Cutler - seemingly mistake prone, but guy has a huge arm on the deep ball. Hopefully the Bears can find someone to develop him out, as they seemingly have some decent skills guys, but need that running game improved.
Alex Smith - haven't seen him play much, but I think the 49ers changing coaches like sox hasn't helped him
Aaron Rodgers - I like that he is really cool under pressure. Kind of holds on the ball too long, but he isn't very mistake prone. Better than I thought he might be.
Jason Campbell - I don't think the guy has what it takes, it just doesn't fit. Probably will hang around the NFL for quite a while as a backup though.
Eli Manning - Manning is a lucky bastard winning that Superbowl, it pretty much has taken away a bunch of the expectations. He played pretty good this year while the Giants defense fell apart.
Philip Rivers - he's got big skills but like McNabb the knock is always going to be winning the big one, which I just don't know if his club has it together enough to make it happen no matter how well he plays.
Ben Roethlisberger - perfect fit for his club, not sure he would be a star on a bunch of clubs.
J.P. Losman - The problem with the Bills is that they always seem to like the guy who is not playing and this is going back since Kelly retired. Looked like he might be Ok for a couple of weeks.
Carson Palmer - dude is like Kenny Anderson mach II - sad to think, but he is probably doomed to a be a pretty good QB on a long suffering team. He looked out of sorts at times, but the offense the Bengals ran this year was about as vanilla as you could get.
Byron Leftwich - I thought this dude was going to be something, but I guess that long release kind of doomed him. He's had some games, but never really could put it all together.
Kyle Boller - This guy got more shots to get it right than anyone really deserves. I don't like the Ravens so I'm glad they never really figured out the QB when that defense was in its real prime.
Rex Grossman - big arm but he was from Florida being drafted by the Bears, the dude was screwed at the gate.
David Carr - the sack machine, some of it definitely was Carr but the dude ate it like 100 times his first couple of seasons, so it might be brain damage.
Joey Harrington - Those recent QBs from Oregon haven't done much, have they?
Patrick Ramsey - He was drafted in the 1st round? Man the Redskins are about as bad as the Bengals in drafting QBs in the 1st round.
Michael Vick - I freaking hated the way that Vick would run with palming the ball like a can of soda and would cringe/laugh every time someone would slap it out of his hand. Hell of a talent but the dude definitely was missing some serious common sense.
Chad Pennington - good QB mind, no big arm. Won some games, missed a bunch with injury.
Tim Couch - He looked good at points and I have to wonder if he ended up someplace put that black hole of the time in Cleveland if his story isn't different. The guy got totally POUNDED for a few years with little protection, no skills talent or running game. Couch definitely did not deserve those cheers for being knocked out cold at home. That kind of shit makes me think the Brown's fans earned their current situation. I suppose they have paid penance by now.
Donovan McNabb -
Akili Smith - Who knows, the guy got hurt signing his contract. The Bengals had that crap happen a couple of times with Penn State guys.
Daunte Culpepper - The guy could throw a hell of a deep pass and it was somethign with Carter and Moss for a year or so. He pretty much lost it in a couple of injuries.
Cade McNown - The Bears can't pick a QB for bupkus.
Peyton Manning - Manning doesn't end up in Indy, the Colts are playing in Los Angeles today. I've been people call Lucas Oil Stadium the House that Peyton built and in this case I think it is very true.
Ryan Leaf - All I can say is that every time Leaf comes up I remind people that Jim Rome and Mel Kiper both had this piece of crap rated ahead of Peyton Manning.
Jim Druckenmiller - I remember the name, but I don't remember this dude.
Steve McNair - dude was a MAN in the pocket, hardest dude to sack and his body paid that bill. I'd like to see what he would have done if he say would have gotten on a pass happy offensive coordinator/team. In that he didn't probably get to do all he could do as the Oilers/Titans pretty much ran the most old school run first offense.
Kerry Collins - a very weird start and stop career an even more eccentric arc than Vinnie T., but Collins was very good at times.
Heath Shuler - Dude definitely wasn't Peyton Manning coming out of Tennesseee.
Trent Dilfer - good backup QB, what the hey he always has a superbowl win.
Drew Bledsoe - good QB kind of a what if now with how all that went down with Brady. It probably cost him a shot at the hall of fame. Bledsoe was definitely good enough to win a title with those Pats clubs and he did win that one playoff game against the Steelers off the bench.
Rick Mirer - ND QB's lead to clubs getting rooked but the dude kind of looked like Montana. Of course the Bears had to give him a shot, as the Bears will give any dope from ND a shot if available.
David Klingler - same as Ware, that dude who was coaching U of Houston was a nutcase anyway.
Tommy Maddox - Total bust with the Broncos, but it was kind of cool that he gave it another shot and had a nice season with the Steelers.
Dan McGwire - I have no idea what the Seahawks were thinking, never saw him play in college, but I know he was a total giant of a QB for the early 90s where you got guys like Manning & Big Ben with that build now.
Todd Marinovich - I think this dude was built by his dad from a young age and with his talent got everything handed to him. In a way his bust in the NFL is kind of similar to Russell's now, even though they are very different players style wise.
Jeff George - HOF talent, bush league headcase, kind of got fxxked out the door on that dumb trade where the Colts dealt a probowl LT Chris Hinton & a budding later probowler WR Andre Rison for him. That kind of thinking would get you shot today, sending your LT and best Wideout for a QB. I just don't think teams would do that kind of deal now.
Andre Ware - 90s run & shoot QB= spread QB of today

I remember I was watching the Rose Bowl, and I told my friend, "I guarantee you Brian Griese will be a better pro QB than Ryan Leaf." Then my team signed Leaf. :(

I saw Dan McGwire in college a ton. He was pretty great but I mean, it was the WAC back when every game was 50-45 or whatever.

People made fun of the Druckenmiller pick when it happened, and were correct to do so. Total stiff.

jeff george had a couple of sick (statistical) seasons towards the end of his run but he was still the worst

he was just so hated that even though he came within one TD pass of having the first 30+ td, 9- int season in nfl history he wasn't even selected for the pro bowl that year.

i saw senior bowl highlights today and tebow was pretty bad. his passes didn't have any zip on them whatsoever, a couple fell short (and they were 15 yd passes!), and he fumbled twice. looked awkward back there.

yep

dan lefevour def looked the best out of the QBs

other guys who looked good were sean witherspoon (all over the place), brandon graham (killed the tackles) & mardy gilyard

legarrette was a tank as well

saw kris jenkins big up dan williams @ halftime but i didnt see any of the game

luv gilyard, think hes a player

this story is some grade A homerism

http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/colleges/story/1455297.html

Tebow participated in only 23 plays Saturday, completing just 8 of 12 passes for 50 yards.

He had several impressive throws, including two passes into tight coverage to convert third downs.

Tebow's throwing motion was scrutinized all week, but he was accurate and efficient Saturday.

Receivers dropped three of his incompletions, and Tebow only threw one poor pass.

``It was a week I felt I got a lot better and worked on things,'' Tebow said. ``The stuff people know I can do I didn't have to come out here and do that or do it in the game.''

You know Bill Parcell's is not going to fall for it and draft Tebow, but I wouldn't put it past Jacksonville which is looking for something to put people in the stands.

I wouldn't put it past Jacksonville which is looking for something to put people in the stands.

This has been my expectation for months.

imo we should have a "rolling dumbass sportswriters thread" for all sports but

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/commentary/news/story?page=hill/100202

Tebow's decision to appear in this ad should be considered just as courageous as Muhammad Ali's decision to not enter the draft, or Tommie Smith's and John Carlos' black power salute at the 1968 summer Olympics.

No, I'm not kidding.

haha, she's acting like this is some big, huge step from tebow to come out and SPEAK ABOUT HIS BELIEFS and BE CONFIDENT ABOUT HIS BELIEFS except that we already know he's a crazy conservative christian who sends his coach bible passages so uh... not that courageous, sorry

GILBERT ARENAS HAS COME OUT IN FAVOR OF RELAXED GUN CONTROL LAWS

yeah we know

haha yeah regardless of your politics it's just a retarded statement

is jemele hill usually this dumb? srs q

re: the whole article

pretty much

yeah fuck a jemele hill she brings nothing to the table

btw some clown on boston sports radio yesterday was basically reading slash fiction about the pats drafting tebow so he could "lead the young players in the locker room" and i wanted to kill somebody.

is jemele hill usually this dumb? srs q

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yes

our boy dave zirin!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dave-zirin/espns-jemele-hill-tim-teb_b_447604.html

sorry to clog ilnfl up with POLITRIXXX~

this kind of thing basically amounts to a cast iron guarantee that tebow will end up in jax:
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Wilson-Jaguars-lineman-rips-Tebow.html

not sure if players should really being posting on their team message boards but that's pretty lol. maybe we can get uche on ilnfl!

dan morgan posts on panthershuddle.com all the time, its pretty funny

In a Radio Row interview with Mike Dempsey of 1010XL in Jacksonville, former Redskins quarterback Joe Theismann was candid regarding the pro prospects of former Florida quarterback Tim Tebow.

Theismann thinks that Tebow should have retired after his college football career ended.

"Rock star status preserved," Theismann said.

panthershuddle.com is the gayest url i've ever read

5. He cant throw. PERIOD.

4. He cant read any coverage other than probably cover 2 or man cov. PERIOD (the only cov. in college lol)

3. the QB wildcat WILL NOT WORK IN THIS LEAGUE. PERIOD

2. He doesnt know how to take a snap from center, nor is he even comfortable enough to.

1. HE CANT THROW. and thats really something you either have or not, never seen a qb who couldnt ever throw, just all of a sudden beable to throw just because hes now in the NFL.

he cant throw

college lol

PERIOD

i think they just keep jemele hill around to make skip bayless seem smart on "first and ten"

if tim tebow is succesful in the NFL i will probably stop watching football

like the favre mythology is intolerable, could you IMAGINE if tebow like won a superbowl? good lord.

tebow is at best a reggie bush, at worst an eric crouch w/r/t the nfl.

i think he could have a good career as a chris cooley-style h-back, but i should probably reserve judgement on that until we see him run some routes and catch some passes

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2010/0210/nfl_ap_nsuh2_576.jpg
http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2010/0210/nfl_ap_nsuh2_576.jpg
http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2010/0210/nfl_ap_nsuh2_576.jpg

aww

mcshay pumped mccoy up to #1 in his mock... i think he's just trolling

Mayock has McCoy ahead of Suh too.

official combine invite list

http://www.nflcombine.net/players/official-invite-list

mayock's mock

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story?id=09000d5d815ee2f1&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true

i like mccoy a lot and it's a defensible position to take, but i still like suh more in the short and long-term.

sorry, thats not mayock's mock, its just his rankings

1 Gerald McCoy Oklahoma
2 Ndamukong Suh Nebraska

WHAT the FUCK?!?!?!?!?

Jason Pierre-Paul:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4-1e6Faglw

http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2010/02/22/tebow-wont-throw-at-combine/?ncid=txtlnkusspor00000002

oh lord the comments!

vanillam400 2-22-2010 12:16PM

I think he'd do great as a Yankee if the NFL doesn't want him. Signed, a Gator and Yankee lover

this has to be the worst person on planet earth. what a combination.

Tim Tebow's dad recently softened his "What We Believe" page. Before (http://bit.ly/d681ty), after (http://bit.ly/cyU1qp).

ncaa champion qbs over the past couple of decades (missing a couple i think)

vince young
tim tebow
matt leinart
matt mauck
matt flynn
craig krenzel
ken dorsey
josh heupel
carson palmer
chris weinke
tee martin
scott frost
brian griese
danny wuerffel
billy joe hobert
tommie frazier
charlie ward
gino torreta

Most of those guys were drafted much lower than Tebow will be drafted even if he falls. No one thought Gino Torreta was a pro quarterback. No one talked about his intangibles, whereas there are definitely some things that Tebow does well.

combine coverage starts on saturday. so pumped!!!!

watching offensive linemen run the 40 was good for some lols today.

I have to admit that I covet Toby Gerhardt on my team even though my heart tells me that he (1) probably won't be any good, and (2) we already have Jacob Hester and Eric Weddle to fill the somewhat-fast-white-guy role.

DL/LB today - cody's jiggling all over the place

nimble feet though

you can watch live on the nfl's combine site

Of all the people I saw at the combine, the guy who performed the worst was Jordan Shipley.

everyone's freaking out over joe haden's 40 time

taylor mays had a huge day today

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-combine/09000d5d816b2dca/Rich-Eisen-s-40-yd-dash

i still wouldn't take mays any higher than the third or fourth round, he's a crappy football player

He'll be a better pro than Tebow.

ha

mays might be a decent SS but if he rockets into the first round the combine should be shut down

Mays was already projected as a first rounder in most polls I've seen.

mocks, rather

i think he has potential as a linebacker, but even as an in-the-box safety i foresee roy williams being his ceiling

he'll go in the first because lol Al Davis lol

it would be amazing if lane kiffin banned raiders scouts from usc pro day

this is kinda cool -- rivals comparing the numbers that guys put up at camps as high school seniors vs their numbers at the combine

http://footballrecruiting.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1061568#DB

it's interesting to see who was able to add muscle in college but keep/improve their 40 time -- taylor mays put on 12 pounds and improved his 40 time from a 4.59 to a 4.43 & patrick robinson, a cb from fsu, put on 21 pounds and improved his 40 time by .03 seconds -- meanwhile joe haden put on 15 pounds & his 40 time went from a 4.46 to a 4.57 -- didn't really seem to affect the LBs tho who all put on like 30 pounds but stayed the same speed

Lamarr Houston, Texas

2010 NFL Combine 6-3 305 4.85
Fort Worth NIKE Camp (4/23/2005) 6-2 257 4.94

also several of them have lost height

http://i47.tinypic.com/s2qsd5.gif

@shawnemerriman Who thinks the world is coming to an end? 6 minutes ago

ESPN: Tim Tebow invited to New York for draft

Therefore, someone is picking him in the first round.

either that or it will be great TV when he doesn't

did they work out what position he is going to play

The NFL draft moves to primetime for the first time in 2010, with the first round taking place Thurs., April 22 at 7:30 p.m. ET.

It would be amazing if he went home for the day, unpicked. Would he come back the next day?

watching brady quinn drop down the board was some of the most compelling tv ever, so i am in full support of this decision.

Yeah, but he still was a first rounder, and so was Aaron Rodgers.

Because the first round takes FOREVAH

Oh, hmm:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/03/01/nfl-might-invite-second-round-prospects-to-nfl-draft/

if the 1st round were 5 minutes per pick, that would actually make for some compelling television

brandon spikes ran a 5.05 forty today -- dude is as slow as my dad probably

For better or worse, the first years of the Pete Carroll era in Seattle will be defined by Charlie Whitehurst.

ESPN's Mike Sando reports that the Seahawks will move down 20 picks in the second round of this draft and give a third-round pick in 2011 to get Whitehurst.

But that's not the costly part.

The Seahawks have agreed to terms on a two-year deal with Whitehurst that is expected to pay him $5 million-per-year. Wow.

Whitehurst has not attempted a regular season pass as a pro, but he should fairly soon with that contract.

Are they hoping for some kind of bonkers Matt Cassel situation here? Um, okay.

that guy sucked even at clemson

$5 mil per year!!

Whitehurst has not attempted a regular season pass as a pro, but he should fairly soon with that contract.

lol @ this

Maybe they could trade Billy Volek too, hmmmmmm

can we go back to talking about how brandon spikes ran a slower 40 than bruce campbell

Anyone want to do this? http://challengegames.nfl.com/predictpick?campaign=Ext_email_NL0408

sure

League: ILNFL
pwd: cleolemon

I guess you have to sign up for an nfl.com account if you don't have one already? I thought I had one (since they send me email), but apparently not. They haven't sent me anything yet about the league, though. I don't know if you just have to search for it or what.

Still haven't gotten an email or anything, but this is the direct link to the league: http://challengegames.nfl.com/predictpick/groups/view/44

I made my picks but I don't see how anyone could guess this shit.

I figure you have a better chance at 100% in this than you do a March Madness bracket, but it's still hard as shit.

I feel like I should be able to choose Tebow or McCoy if I want to. Do they really think McCoy isn't a top 64 pick?

Hey guys, fun new tool!

http://insider.espn.go.com/insider/kiper/mockdraft

Here's what will happen if the Saints make some trades:

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4006/4523823980_4407bf8de7.jpg

lol!

if the rams dont pick suh, they should be kicked out of the league.

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lol

^o^

Jon Gruden kind of gets under Colt McCoy's skin in that little feature he did on Sportscenter. It was kind of funny.

The bit about talking with the Tejas drawl in the huddle... awesome.

Prognosticators be gettin' QB happy on draft eve. Schefter just predicted all 4 of the big names now go in the first round, and he's not the only one I've heard say this over the last 24 hours. I'm not holding my breath, though.

consensus seems to be that denver is a lock to bail out of 11, most likely to the eagles, most likely for earl thomas

I guess that means McClain won't be a Bronco now. So, Giant or Dolphin?

yea i think peter king said nyg will trade into the 11 for mcclain

he's not gonna go to the dolphins since they signed dansby -- there's no way he's getting passed the giants (at 18?)

theyre at 15 ~ yeah id be happy if they could get him there -- giving a 3rd to move up? i guess im ok w/ that too, dont really love the other guys theyd be lookin at if mcclains gone @ 15

So, Eric Berry... top 5 (Chefs) or not?

I'm rejiggering my fantasy draft order and fishing for opinions.

i think KC takes an o-lineman -- then on the other hand, pioli did draft brandon merriweather in the first round with the pats -- much lower obv but still

They seem like a candidate to trade down a few spots imo

i think it's more likely that someone jumps to 4 to grab the LT they have at #1 on their board

the peter king mock says some stuff that i haven't read anywhere else

King is saying some crazy shit! But really, outside of the top 10, mock draft consensus is non-existent. I guess I'll just stick with what I have, because the fantasy system doesn't account for trading up or down anyway. (I've got Berry going to Cleveland, btw.)

http://www.mensjournal.com/the-nfl-draft-decoded

Matt Taibi on quarterbacks...

RULE 6: TAKE A FLYER ON A LATE-ROUND QB EVERY YEAR

Here’s the thing about quarterbacks: You just don’t know. Any coach who tries to tell you that he knew this or that late-round college quarterback was going to be an NFL star is a fucking liar. If you saw Tom Brady at the 2000 combine workout, you’d have thought he was auditioning for a role in a musical about gay milkmen. Same with Delaware Blue Hen Rich Gannon (who looked so unpromising as a QB, his first team wanted to try him at safety); prematurely balding BC Eagle Matt Hasselbeck; way-too-Christian Northern Iowa grocery bagger Kurt Warner; the seriously-resembling-a-dentist Indianan Trent Green; anonymous USC benchwarmer Matt Cassel; and so on.

The least efficient way to acquire a Super Bowl quarterback is to draft a grinning, square-jawed, neck-deep-in-pussy first-round bonus baby, give him $50 million, and stake your franchise on him. That strategy sometimes works (see Manning, Peyton) but can also cripple a team for years (see Russell, JaMarcus). Instead, the surest way to get a quarterback is by accident. First you draft a bunch of late-round unknown geeks like Brady and Hasselbeck, then bring in a low-cost free-agent placeholder like a Trent Dilfer or Chad Pennington to actually run your team. Then you wait for your aging veteran to rupture his Achilles, as he inevitably will, and while he’s on the IR, you see if any of your late-round flyers can actually play. Quarterbacks are like cats or teenage girls: It’s impossible to tell what the hell is going on in their flighty heads or know how they’re going to act even five minutes from now. Do like Bill Parcells does and use your high-round picks for real men: left tackles and pass rushers.

hah

looks like i have time to watch this tonight--excited! never watched the draft iirc.

I'll be interested to see how much both the NFL and ESPN change their presentation of it now that it's at night. I mean, the whole reason they're moving it is to attract a larger audience, so something is going to different.

I hope Mel Kiper is still there yelling at everyone the whole time.

I love it. Every year, Mel Kiper is really high on some player at the expense of common sense (this year, his victim is Clausen). He's wrong as often as he's right.

Clausen's stats were pretty good -- not as good as Bradford's in 2008, but comparable:

http://espn.go.com/college-football/statistics/player/_/stat/passing/sort/collegeQuarterbackRating/year/2009/group/80

I don't like Clausen as a person for some reason, but I don't see why he can't be highly successful.

he'll be good -- he reminds me of like... matt ryan or something (altho way more douchey) -- the prob he's gonna have is that at notre dame 30% of his throws involved him heaving the ball up to golden tate -- but he has all the physicals & seems like a relatively smart dude (but then again maybe he'll be david carr)

the big qb bust of this draft is gonna be colt mccoy

Oh, I didn't mean that Clausen won't be a capable player, but Mel Kiper wants to have his babies ffs!

yeah, well that's obv because he's just trying to spite mcshay

I honestly believe that Kiper and McShay decided to do this to create interest. I remember hearing John Kruk say that some of the things he said on air were at the suggestion of the producers of his show.

yeah it wouldn't surprise me -- it's not either of them has actual reputations at stake

Okay, my third and final mock is complete. Can't wait to see how wrong I am.

is this the first year in the last couple where theres no pre-announced signing re the #1 pick? Or does that happen like an hour before the draft?

the big qb bust of this draft is gonna be colt mccoy

funny--as you know i know nothing about these guys but i thought i saw favorable comps between mccoy and drew brees

espn is showing cj spiller getting dressed in his hotel room atm

I think the big bust will be Bradford, simply because that team is atrocious and he won't have a chance to do anything in the first years, with no good veteran QB to learn from, with no QB coach of any great pedigree.

yeah idk it's possible -- mccoy was in a great system tho, just tons of really short passes, quick, easy reads and the like, but he played pretty poorly against good teams last year and just in general doesn't strike me as someone who could physically make it in a pro style offense

i think bradford has a chance to be great -- they got their franchise LT last year and still have one of the 5 best RBs in the league back there -- first year might be a total disaster, but if this front office doesn't fuck up the next two drafts then i think he could be pretty special (especially in that wack ass division)

if this draft is really as deep as everyone is saying, then their #33 pick this year is prob worth what a pick in the 20s would be in a normal draft

important info:

Charles Coplin, the NFL programming vice president overseeing the show at Manhattan's Radio City Music Hall, Tuesday said Whoopie Goldberg and actors Alyssa Milano, Josh Charles and Dan Lauria as well as weight loss guru Jillian Michaels will be working the draft's first-ever red carpet for entrances shown live Thursday on ESPN and NFL Network (6 p.m. ET).

if that was kenan-as-whoopi i might watch

Barron and Smith might be good tackles but did anyone watch them do anything good last year? I don't watch line play as much as I'd like to.

The three dudes in the middle of the line I know absolutely nothing about.

The receiving corps is a bunch of guys you could grab off the street.

yeah the WRs are the worst in the league by miles -- there are prob colleges w/ better WRs right now

alex barron is the worst tackle in the nfl i'm pretty sure

from football outsider projections:

wrt running backs, their projection system has jhavid best & ryan matthews rated the highest (same pre-nfl rating as chris johnson, jamaal charles and, uh, jerrius noorwood) with cj spiller, jonathon dwyer, dexter mccluster, toby gerhart and, uh, legarrete blount in the next tier (same pre-nfl rating as mjd, peterson, deangelo, john stewart, reggie bush) -- joe mcknight & ben tate also project well (same tier as joseph addai, ray rice, pierre thomas, beanie wells)

Holmgren told ESPN's Michael Smith that he would be willing to trade most of the Browns' 10 picks and maybe some 2011 picks for Bradford. But Holmgren thinks the Rams will turn him down.

"They shouldn't do it," Holmgren said. "They need a quarterback more than anyone in the world."

I don't like Jahvid Best much for the pros. I don't think he's tough enough for the pros.

I can never shake the image of him getting hit hard at Maryland and barfing on the field. He's like a slightly slower Reggie Bush with less of a tendency to juke.

Holmgren with the understatement.

heard a rumor that bradford is not the last qb on the planet

Here's what I do if I'm running the Rams: trade down to the Browns at 7 for a million picks, and then trade one of the picks for Jason Campbell or some other guy and surround him with young talent.

I'm not-so-secretly hoping that the Pats draft Tebow, because my sister-in-law is both a HUGE Gator fan (and one of those Tebow worshippers you hear about) and also a HUGE Peyton Manning fan and hater of Tom Brady and the Patriots. I want to see if her head will actually explode.

I am real, real curious about where he ends up.

Wherever it is, I don't expect him to see much action for at least a season or two. But yeah, I'm curious.

Also, NOTE TO ESPN: I realize you probably paid a lot of money for the rights to use it, but playing "Empire State of Mind" at every single commercial break is going to make me fucking LOSE IT.

Who picked out Sam Bradford's suit? It looks like it came from the clearance rack at TJ Maxx!

if i was the rams i'd take bradford and not screw the other picks up

Aww, Jim Brown's walking with a cane.

fucking john randle is the size of a modern olb

barry!

best outfit = demaryius thomas

steve young sayin some bullllshit

goodell is such a dildo

he's the worst

great timing by espn there

so does he do anything? does he have to give a speech?

get son a tailor, good lord

lol cad have you ever watched a draft

he's not valedictorian of the draft!

this is horrifically awkward

hahahah no not really--the nfl draft is always on saturday afternoons and i'm never home. also this is primetime! who's to say what amount of goofy bullshit espn can add

gerald mccoy looks like he just lost an academy award or something

yeah he's freaking out

as great as the name "ndamokung" is, i kinda wish suh would go nene style

god suh is so dope

lol suh's like lemme just finish this phone call

"all the GMs"?

i hate the rams so much right now

disembodied female voice is so nagl

lol open mics -- real professionals over here

I hope the Lions get above .500 this season because of Suh and Stafford alone.

awwwwwwww

oh man

i thought the only way that i would end up crying tonight was if the dolphins drafted tebow

lolllllll bear hugging goodell

lol what

is goodell ad libbing to keep himself awake

really, you always wanted to be a chief? you're sure about that?

so was that an audio fuckup blowing the surprise there?

he's from georgia so prob not

This sucks, because I like watching Berry play and now that he's a Chief, I'll never get to see him on tv again.

espn is blowing all the surprises so far...

how long do u think clausen is going to be up there as number 1 overall on "mel's best available"

forever

this will get a little more exciting once non-green room players start getting drafted

okung has a nice watch

if gruden wasn't on this stage, i would advocate live grenades being placed under the chairs of everyone up there

okuuung... nice watch

That camera angle on Haden makes him look like a bat.

michaelombardi Heard Oakland is deciding between CJ Spiller and Iupati

he actually just looks like a bat

Holy fuck did the browns blow that pick. DO NOT LIKE :(

schefter says raiders took mcclain

lombardi in bein wrong shocka

schefter says bills will take spiller

enjoy buffalo, ny in the winter, c.j.

all these OTs are slipping like crazy

spiller? weird pick

i mean i don't think that's what they need

yeah idk...

on the other hand, if he's actually the next chris johnson then everyone needs him

This is why I love the draft. One reach or one wtf pick throws the rest of the board into disarray. (Sorry you didn't get McClain, Gigantes.)

I expect Spiller to put BEAST MODE out of business.

supposedly a lot of teams had sean witherspoon rated ahead of mcclain

who now?

Was Alualu mentioned by anyone ANYWHERE?

schefter is calling every single pick

he's the best for a reason

and johnny, no

might be clausen here...

Niners just traded up to get someone. Hmmm...

trade!!!

finally getting fun

niners pick is apparently in

If the Niners go for Clausen, I hope the Fins take Earl Thomas.

Schef says Niners take Anthony Davis.

all 3 players that the dolphins were supposedly targeting are still on the board

looks like so much more fun being remote with yr crew than in that douchey green room

would trade up for that suit

this is gonna be dan williams

another trade!

is this ryan matthews?

hey rs!!

It would have to be, wouldn't it?

I didn't have Alualu in my first round at all. :(

Whoa, Chargers.

what's their defense like? maybe they really want morgan, thomas or williams

they could get someone for olb i guess?

i think it has to be ryan matthews

Definitely Williams or Thomas.

WOW!

I do not get jumping that high for him.

The crowd is apoplectic.

yay alualu

he's gotta be the starter next year yeah?

well here's earl thomas

The Chargers don't have anyone else, so yeah.

i really wanted the dolphins to take earl

wtf is denver doing

it's totally belichick what mcdaniels is doing

if clausen doesn't go the seahawks then he better open the parachute

Denver wants Tebow, didn't want to take him early.

schefter says it's not earl thomas, but instead

brandon graham \(o_O)/

fuck a green room!!

everyone wrong except schefter

Well, wow!

I will not criticize an Eagles defensive pick ever.

ProFootballTalk Sam Farmer just told me Broncos are sliding back to get Tim Tebow.

damn he murdered that wisconsin qb

Surely Earl Thomas goes to Seattle here, right?

maybe derrick morgan

It is going to be so awesome to have Tim Tebow in my division, omg

cutler vs tebow

The Dolphins traded their first, fourth and sixth for Chargers LB Tim Dobbins, 28th, 40th and 126th overall.

I guess Bill knows what he's doing...?

it goes in line with what everyone has been saying about this draft's depth -- i guess they wanted a second back that they lost in the marshall trade

God, that is a terrible trade for the Chargers.

This kid better be good.

so does espn lock todd mcshay in a utility closet for this??

he's back in bristol manning the lol hueg smart board

NFL Network broadcast is so much better than ESPN's.

no gruden tho

RIP jimmy clausen

awww earl's parents are embarrassing him!

heaven needed a douche bag qb

giants are picking derrick morgan

I wish I had NFLN. ;_;

xp Smart move. They should.

good lord, here are the broncos picks as it stands:

24, 43, 45, 70, 80, 87, 113, 114.

I think Morgan to Giants, Pierre-Paul to Titans.

very probable

well, flip that johnny

Hang on... Pierre-Paul is on the phone right now.

football outsider projects him for 0 career sacks in his first 5 years fwiw...........

hahah was just posting that

why is this morgan dude slipping anyway?

idk

tennessee should be going crazy about morgan slipping to them

or maybe not

MoveTheSticks Titans lost out on both ends they liked in JPP and Graham.
less than 20 seconds ago via UberTwitter

Picks 8 through 15 have been total chaos imo

this, of course, is otm

FO_ASchatz Great that Pierre-Paul had a good 40 since as we know, pass-rush is all about running straight with nothing in your way.

yeah this has been ridiculous -- no mock had either dan williams & derrick morgan dropping past 12

xp yah i feel like good tackles will have no trouble pushing him around....

Clausen time?!

Adam_Schefter It will be an upset if Jimmy Clausen goes to SF, so let the Clausen Watch officially begin.

it's morgan

I meant to the 9ers.

Either him or a corner, imo

yeah i think they're gonna take kyle wilson

Iupati! Huh

The Niners are going to have a goddamned good line.

v interesting

they do have by far the worst offensive line in the nfl tho

Not anymore!

we'll see about anthony davis...

If anyone can motivate him, Singletary can.

there's no way it's actually pronounced "i you potty"

mel's so mad

Gotta be Pouncey here but this has been so crazy I have no idea.

wtg poly

That little fat kid needs to work on his diction.

Yeah, good call.

woulda been funny if the fat kid a) went off-script b) got booed cause the steelers did something weird

Watching Clausen from ND fall through the first round is actually even more fun than watching Quinn from ND fall three years ago.

Gotta be Kyle Wilson?

quinn was way more fun

i think you're right poly

Oh maybe Williams

OOOH

Didn't see Weatherspoon that high on any mocks.

now that looks like a fun draft party

I had them picking Wilson as well, but this is a good idea too.

Dez Bryant to the Patriots?

i'm telling you, supposedly a lot of teams had him rated above mcclain

unless the bengals take him first xp

I had Pats going with Demaryus Thomas, and they might still. He's more of a Moss type than Dez Bryant is.

fuck these qb-centric cutaways imo

texans are taking kareem jackson

Todd McShay's mock draft was garbage.

hey cad!

am getting pumped for bill trading the pats first round pick for oakland's entire draft in 2020.

bengals are taking gresham

dan williams is really the big faller here

lolololol mcd traded up to the pats spot

McDaniels is totally pulling a Portland Blazers.

I do not understand why Dez Bryant is falling so far. He is going to be great.

gresham is so fucking good -- if he hadn't gotten hurt this year he would've gone top 15

Gresham to Cincy makes total sense.

I believe I had that on my mock! One of my rare successes.

denver is supposedly taking demaryius

tebow is sad

Yeah, my fantasy picks went to shit after McCoy.

you & everyone you know

I think I had Thomas in this slot! Or I did at one point anyway.

But not to Denver obviously.

Guys, I hope NE is trading down to get Tebow.

schefter is saying that dez is going to baltimore -- maybe dallas will trade up?

belichick & urban are supposedly v close

I still think Dallas may trade up to get Dez Bryant, despite what Schefter says about the Ravens.

they're gonna have to trade into 24, whoever that is

Why is it taking so dang long to walk up and say names.

Paperwork.

they have to partially coordinate with espn?

demaryius is a freak physically, but the dude ran one route in the past two years

So do the Broncos trade up for Tebow, or was that just total b.s.

they might be able to get him with one of their 85 second round picks

damn, steve young is going in

Dan Williams might finally go here to Green Bay.

schefter is rocking the shit out of this brown & pink plaid blazer

he's such a cornball but that's a fly look

packers are gonna take bulaga -- that would be great for them -- some people had him going at 6

lol gruden

Bulaga to Green Bay is so damn perfect.

Yep. I'd forgotten about him, tbh.

C'mon, Jerry Jones... trade up here!

Mayock is clowning on Bulaga so hard.

schefter is saying that the pats are picking defense

my money is on kyle wilson -- pats cbs suuuuuuck

why did the denvers give up a 4th round pick to move all of 2 spots?

Every single guy who had red flags for whatever reason have fallen big time.

pats need to pick defense imo

schef says they are, so does reiss
they need a pass rush..

If they trade down, they can still pick defense (lots to choose from out there). Dallas needs a friend for Miles Austin, though.

Bulaga is a republican congressional candidate in 16 years, calling it now.

The Republicans won't be a national party in 2026.

maybe serg kindle

hahaha - Trent Williams: “I havent stopped smiling yet. I think my face might be stuck”

fuck dammit

Bryant

haha -- jerry could just not help himself

Yes! I finally made a correct prognostication!

lol fuckin roy williams

does this dude really have "issues" beyond the deion thing?

This is another perfect fit, I think.

v. smart to draft a man to replace roy williams

NE move closer to their goal of having the deepest squad of slightly better than average players in the league.

apparently he's a "diva"

The Patriots absolutely love the 2nd and 3rd rounds.

Do the Ravens take Kyle Wilson here?

man i know they need defense but this dude wouldve been fun to watch on the pats

Mardy Gilyard? Dan Williams? Taylor Mays?

whats going on the stage

U-S-A! U-S-A!

why do they do this after the 24th pick???

holy shit!!!

josh mcd has some fuckin balls man

oh shit

it is happening

TEBOWWWW

FUCK YEAH

???? wtf

it's like josh blew some coke and frantically whiteboarded the new denver broncos

i hope so! i love that guy, but also id rather he do that with his own team and not the pats, so its all good

Is Mel Kiper dead or what.

josh mcd needs to buy a pair of truck nuts

lol otm

they had broncos hats there....

lol @ the chant

btw, espn colorado correspondent bang otm earlier about 2 1st round picks. he's a schef for the new generation.

lol @ "he beat jay cutler"

i fuckin loooooove jon gruden

laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaame

What's Gruden sayin

I am absolutely loving the non-Chargers aspects of this draft.

that tebow is the next john elway pretty much

he's gonna get laughed out of the gd locker room

what is that picture of a priest with a halo in the background?

Mel Kiper is Captain Save-a-Clausen at all costs.

GOD SENT ME GOOD QUARTERBACK COACHES

what did god send jamarcus russell?

i think the photo is just a studio portrait with a bad backdrop

Clausen here?

Still wish he was going to New England, but this is the next best thing.

xxxp buncha fried food iirc

i fuckin looooove josh mcdaniels btw -- do your thing homie *_*

I polished off those kettle chips way too fast. :(

lol

btw

Adam_Schefter With Tim Tebow to Denver, Buffalo has to be heartbroken. It was going after Tim Tebow hard and he was square on their radar. #nfldraft

poor buffalo having to draft jimmy clausen

jeeeesus

smartfootball Broncos give up ALOT to get Tebow - #Broncos send No. 43, No. 70 and No. 114 to Baltimore to get Tim Tebow (via @MileHighReport)

I had Buffalo picking Clausen in the 1st round, but they may get him in the 2nd.

buffalo could do with another RB tho

true

lol

Fred Jackson + Spiller = good RB corps for Buffalo.

first team to field 5 RBs and 1 O lineman. *bold new direction*

RIP Marshawn :(

this is gonna be kyle wilson -> sergio kindle

i want beast mode on the pats

would loooooove it so much if pats got beastmode somehow.

lol xpost

If NE takes Kindle, it's all good.

josh mcdaniels, pictured in the broncos war room

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l19/KRAKY_01/tupac.jpg

who's the old dude with the hat in the dan williams entourage?

Why get a Kindle, football players can't read

http://artwork.datpiff.com/m64691ef/2pac_Fuck_The_World_-_Boule_Remixes-front-large.jpg

haha

williams doesn't look that big for an nt??

@shawnemerriman Does Tim Tebow have a twitter?I want to introduce myself

hahahahaha

i hate merriman but that's quality

mcdaniels is the dude who goes on online hold 'em for the first time and bullies everyone down by going large on every single hand. and some point it has to catch up with him, but the ride will be pretty awesome.

well i had the position right

Adam_Schefter Pats will take Devin McCourty #nfldraft

I cannot believe that this is going to be over soon for the night. Such bullshit.

Eisen says that Buffalo wanted Tebow bad.

@ThisIsRobKing Tebow drops back hands off to Moreno..my head just exploded

???

Lfitzgerald11
Hey @adam_Schefter following u on twitter during the draft is like going 2 the movies w/ someone who's already seen the film! STOP IT lol

this is def serg kindle

Georgia/Florida pretty serious rivalry. Now they're playing on the same offense.

<3 fitz

ehh, maybe bill not in love with darius butler then. i thought he looked promising.

this is fucken wack they need a pass rusher so bad

their CBs are fucking garbage tho

christ they gave up the big plays because qbs had ALL DAY

they're not amazing but i think bodden et al was a passable group

they were badly exposed last year due to lack of pressure imo

this is true -- otoh their cbs are objectively bad

God, I hope McCoy goes before Clausen.

bodden is good. i thought butler would project to start. thin after that for sure. but yeah, exposed by weak ass pass rush.

the one thing tho is that this draft is much deeper on CBs than it is on edge rushers

Every year they draft some guy and I'm like <shrug> and then the dude is pretty good.

Odrick

I like Odrick on the Dolphins. ^_^

man these edge rushers are free falling

jets taking kyle wilson

i can't wait to see post-op rex

first team to field 5 RBs and 1 O lineman. *bold new direction*

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loooooool also wb RS!!!

if marshawn ended up on the pats it would be...confusing for me

they could light the jets practice facility with lamps burning his removed fat oil for the whole season

How many dang corners do they need