WEEK 14: WE HAVE HIT ONE OF THE LOWEST POINTS IN MODERN FOOTBALL

Pittsburgh at Cleveland - PITT
New Orleans at Atlanta - SAINTS
Carolina at New England - PATS
Buffalo at Kansas City - CHIEFS
New York Jets at Tampa Bay - JETS
Miami at Jacksonville - JVILLE
Cincinnati at Minnesota - OCHO
Detroit at Baltimore - BMORE
Green Bay at Chicago - PACK
Seattle at Houston - TEX
Denver at Indianapolis - DENVERS
Washington at Oakland - SKINS
St Louis at Tennessee - TENN
San Diego at Dallas - SD
Philadelphia at New York Giants - GIANTS
Arizona at San Francisco - ZONA

Pittsburgh at Cleveland - PITT
New Orleans at Atlanta - SAINTS
Carolina at New England - PATS
Buffalo at Kansas City - BARFALO
New York Jets at Tampa Bay - JETS
Miami at Jacksonville - JVILLE
Cincinnati at Minnesota - MINE
Detroit at Baltimore - BALM
Green Bay at Chicago - GEEN BRAY
Seattle at Houston - Boise Baboons
Denver at Indianapolis - In D
Washington at Oakland - SKINS
St Louis at Tennessee - TENN
San Diego at Dallas - COWBOYS
Philadelphia at New York Giants - PHILZ
Arizona at San Francisco - ZONA

9-7 on week (did not stay humble u_u), 127-64 on season

Pittsburgh at Cleveland - PIT (not confident abt this)
New Orleans at Atlanta - NO
Carolina at New England - NEP
Buffalo at Kansas City - BUF
New York Jets at Tampa Bay - NYJ
Miami at Jacksonville - JAX
Cincinnati at Minnesota - CINCI (Brett Favre bedshitting 2 bold clam)
Detroit at Baltimore - LOLTIMORE
Green Bay at Chicago - GB
Seattle at Houston - HOU (uneducated coin toss)
Denver at Indianapolis - IND
Washington at Oakland - OK (I am not confident)
St Louis at Tennessee - TN
San Diego at Dallas - SD
Philadelphia at New York Giants - NYG
Arizona at San Francisco - AZ

Pittsburgh at Cleveland - shirts!
New Orleans at Atlanta - shirts!
Carolina at New England - shirts!
Buffalo at Kansas City - one of the lowest points in modern football
New York Jets at Tampa Bay - one of the lowest points in modern football
Miami at Jacksonville - shirts!
Cincinnati at Minnesota - Cincinnati
Detroit at Baltimore - shirts!
Green Bay at Chicago - shirts!
Seattle at Houston - shirts!
Denver at Indianapolis - Manning
Washington at Oakland - shirts!
St Louis at Tennessee - Vince Young
San Diego at Dallas - shirts!
Philadelphia at New York Giants - shirts!
Arizona at San Francisco - shirts!

prolly no shirts in miami @jacksonville tbf

8-8 last week (blech!), 127-65 on the season.

Pittsburgh at Cleveland - PIT
New Orleans at Atlanta - NO
Carolina at New England - NE
Buffalo at Kansas City - KC
New York Jets at Tampa Bay - NYJ
Miami at Jacksonville - MIA
Cincinnati at Minnesota - CIN
Detroit at Baltimore - BAL
Green Bay at Chicago - GB
Seattle at Houston - HOU
Denver at Indianapolis - IND
Washington at Oakland - OAK
St Louis at Tennessee - TEN
San Diego at Dallas - SD
Philadelphia at New York Giants - PHI
Arizona at San Francisco - AZ

Browns are gonna win Thursday night. You heard it here first. Or at least they'll put up a good fight. These are two teams going in two different directions.

The wheels are coming off in Pittsburgh, but I still can't see a Browns win.

PITT > CLE
NO > ATL
GB > Chi
IND > DEN
KC > BUF
MINN > CIN -- might change this one before gametime
NE > CAR
NYJ > TB
JAX > MIA -- might change this one too
BAL > DET
HOU > SEA
TN > STL
OAK > WASH
SD > DAL
NYG > PHI -- both talented but underachieving, games like this always get my fewest confidence points; it could go in any direction, including the "what a waste of three hours" bin
AZ > SF

10-6 week, 135-57 season

snrub otm. bet the farm you lost in the cincy game and bet it again against the steelers!

i will own all your farms

10-6 last week, 127-65 on the year

Pittsburgh* at Cleveland
New Orleans* at Atlanta
Carolina at New England*
Buffalo at Kansas City*
New York Jets at Tampa Bay*
Miami* at Jacksonville
Cincinnati at Minnesota*
Detroit at Baltimore*
Green Bay* at Chicago
Seattle at Houston*
Denver at Indianapolis*
Washington at Oakland*
St Louis at Tennessee*
San Diego* at Dallas
Philadelphia at New York Giants*
Arizona* at San Francisco

You stay classy, Terrell Suggs:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/12/08/woman-says-suggs-hit-her-spilled-bleach-on-her/

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJzbIt37FVo

saints fans, ladies and gents

the word 'savages' comes to mind most immediately

How do y'all feel about the concept of changing overtime so that you can't kick field goals? So you could only win by scoring a touchdown or a safety.

I kinda like it!

What a dumb bet.

damn, saints fans

It's important here to remind everyone that aside from the good food, the rest of Louisiana is not very representative of NOLA.

shockey would fit right in

south louisiana and north louisiana are different states, it's true

tanier breaks down brees to obama

In order to maintain Walkthrough's delicate balance, I cannot make fun of one politician without taking shots at someone from the other side of the red-blue divide. In that spirit, I give you the creepy Play 60 public service announcement featuring Drew Brees, DeMarcus Ware, Troy Polamalu, and Barack Obama:

Figure 3: Brees to Obama
http://footballoutsiders.com/images/TDZ/Walkthrough120309-3.jpg

Figure 3 shows the play; the field color has been changed to a disturbing ultra-green to reflect the over-saturated slow-motion dreamlike quality of the PSA. A little girl (LG) runs a post pattern, but she is well covered by a little boy (LB). Brees also sees a Secret Service agent covering the deep middle (Danny Amendola, uncredited, plays the agent), so he checks down. Had the little girl flashed open, this 90-second ad would show the President as a decoy receiver.

Obama runs a drag at what appears to be five yards. In the Saints playbook, the little girl is Devery Henderson, and Obama is Marques Colston. In fact, Obama is still considered a tight end in some fantasy leagues. A little boy runs a shallow drag in front of the President to create a mesh and get some face time. Off-camera, the boy briefly considers wiping Troy Polamalu, thinks better of it, and runs an elaborate wheel route. None of this is visible, but after 50 viewings of the PSA I am certain it happens.

Obama keeps moving hard to his right (interpreting this politically will get your comment deleted, so just let it go). The grinning Brees spots him, wonders how Willie Gault got onto the White House lawn, and hits the president in stride. Obama alligator-arms the pass slightly -- understandable because he is about to run into Ware, who has a little girl fastened to his head -- but he snags the ball, avoiding a politically-damaging "for who, for what" controversy.

The jubilant President knows he will soon get trucked by Polamalu (who would then be shot by Amendola), so he quickly switches sports and attempts a lay-up. No, wait, it's a hook-and-lateral! Ware's little friend catches the pitch. She briefly considers running for a touchdown, or at least digging her spurs into Ware's chest so he starts running, but everyone is too happy. Too darned happy.

I don't know what any of this means. But if Runyan wins a spot in Congress, I expect to see him on that lawn in 2011, pancaking little kids and protecting Brees. Or the President. Whoever had a better year.

lol

How do y'all feel about the concept of changing overtime so that you can't kick field goals? So you could only win by scoring a touchdown or a safety.

I kinda like it!

― real bears playing hockey (polyphonic), Tuesday, December 8, 2009 10:55 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

might be an improvement...but I still wouldn't mind if they did it like college football, seems the most fair, and more exciting IMO

Signs posted in Raiders locker room: "Sunday 12-13-09, 1:05PM- the day the Oakland Raiders break thru."

Randy Hanson is back at work with the Raiders scouting department, by the way.

70% chance of snow showers plus 25mph winds for the game of the year tomorrow night.

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Having already launched a reality TV show and promoted his own breakfast cereal, the Buffalo Bills receiver is ready to try fashion after signing a deal with Wilhelmina Models this week.

"Well, I'm always putting my hands in and feeding into something," Owens said after practice Wednesday, noting Wilhelmina approached him with the offer. "When you've got some good looks like myself, you've got to take full advantage of it."

Pittsburgh at Cleveland - Steelers swooned pretty hard after last SB and it seems the injuries have piled up and they are pretty normal. I'd have to see it to believe that the Browns would take them down, so Steelers it is.
New Orleans at Atlanta - Redman looked ok for a bit, but the ATL got flogged last week. Saints until proven wrong, but they do seem to keep lesser competition in the game and are probably due to lose one.
Carolina at New England - I can't see NE losing.
Buffalo at Kansas City - Hurmm...both clubs are rolling with backup QBs at this point. Pretty similar story lines. I guess take the Arrowhead advantage and go Chiefs.
New York Jets at Tampa Bay - I'm feeling Bucs in an upset, but I am still going with the Jets backup QB and all.
Miami at Jacksonville - This will probably be a good game. I'd think this is a rivalry, but really if you live in Florida you either follow the Dolphins or probably the fxxxing Cowboys. I'll take Miami, as they are decent and maybe without Ronnie Brown going down and one more chump in the early schedule would be going to the playoffs.
Cincinnati at Minnesota - Vikings got licked pretty good. I'll just be a homer and take the Bengals, even though they are not going to be able to grind on the ground like they have been doing.
Detroit at Baltimore - The Ravens for all of their bravado are a bunch of crying choads. I'm glad as hell I don't have to cheer for them as a home team. I'd like to see the Lions beat them, but Baltimore will probably win.
Green Bay at Chicago - Packers seem to be getting it together and will probably cream the Bears. Hope it isn't so, but Cutler kind of has that deer in the headlights daze on him like what happened to Grossman, except now they can't even run the ball.
Seattle at Houston - Houston SHOULD win, whether they actually do win, you never can be sure about.
Denver at Indianapolis - I keep picking on Indy to lose and they screw me. I'll take them to win and get screwed by the Broncos pulling off an upset. That being said, there are probably plenty of Denver fans that really want to beat the Colts, as Indy and Manning have beat them quite a few times including a couple in the playoffs. One of Mannings top comebacks was in Denver ending on a "drunken kicker" big field goal in the snow. God considering how crap some of these kickers have been, I'm surprised no one has rung up the drunken kicker. The dude went down hard after blowing that kick against the Steelers and then got flushed out the next year in Dallas, but hasn't been back.
Washington at Oakland - I'm taking Oaktown, but Washington's D is still playing like it counts, which says a bunch about those guys.
St Louis at Tennessee - Titans should win this one and Chris Johnson will go for 200 yards on the ground.
San Diego at Dallas - I think the NFL schedule guys are laughing their ass off, as they have totally setup Dallas to swoon. I think at best they will finish 2-2, as it is rough. SD seems to be clicking right now. (Heck the Chargers still have the Colts and Titans left to play, so they don't really have it easy either, which makes this game even more important.)
Philadelphia at New York Giants - Who knows? Dallas loses and Giants win would make a total clusterfxxx at the top of their division, so I will take NY.
Arizona at San Francisco - Cards seem to slip back, but maybe not this time.

Last week another 10-6, upset minded and drunk on eventuality I made a couple of off picks. 130-62 for the year.

Cassel's starting again for the Chiefs, actually.. just checked.. saw he was pulled last week but figured it was only for the end of that game, whatever's messed up with that team, it isn't him IMHO

I really wonder how significant of a problem Clinton Portis is/was @ redskins, since he's been out (is now on IR) it seems like something has changed. there was always talk about it being trouble for the team when there's one set of rules for one player, another set for most everybody else. (<3 Portis, but.. just asking the question.)

ps to brownie apparently there is a wedding scheduled for 3:30 in the muni lot amongst the idiots Browns fans

― james cameron gargameled my boner for life (Pancakes Hackman), Thursday, December 10, 2009 3:03 PM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Pancakes, you work right there iirc. Photos please.

I am way too far away! It's at the far eastern end of the lot and I'm on E. 9th street.

time for a 20 minute smoke break

Near as I can tell it's going to happen at the orange bus in the center right where the tailgating starts:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2578/4175148780_0ddfc7af33_o.jpg

u got me thinkin about the idiot kicker, where he now? i learned that

Vanderjagt appeared in a Walt Disney film called The Garbage Picking Field Goal Kicking Philadelphia Phenomenon, where he was a stunt double for Tony Danza as a place kicker for the Philadelphia Eagles.

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UPS driver is reporting 1000's of Steelers fans converging on downtown. Sportstalk predicting tens of thousands in the stands tonight. Ugly

I was thinking of going to Map Room to watch the game but maybe I'll just stay the hell out of downtown.

roving bands of tothless yinzers are enough to keep any civilized person out of downtown

i'll be in shaker drinking a bottle of wine while enjoying american football on the telly

Video from Cleveland.com. At 0:53 you can see my office. From a long ways away.

http://www.cleveland.com/ohio-sports-blog/index.ssf/2009/12/video_baby_its_frigid_out_ther.html

that sky is very

http://i486.photobucket.com/albums/rr222/Chass3ur/cleve.jpg

i wish i could shop and gif

so unbelievably cold and windy downtown

and so many steelers jerseys I want to die

so browns wag was trying to sell "We are Terrible" towels

so some*

i guessing nobody cares about this game

:D

i walk alone

http://www.onlygoodmovies.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/billy-jack3.jpg

haha damn the wine is kicking in and y kant brownie spell

cribbssss

and then we back up

SPECIAL TEAMS

i mean, i'm watching some of this game but it's kind of hard to care about

roving bands of toothless yinzers are enough to keep any civilized person out of downtown

looooooool
(no offense mookie & about a hundred people i know from back home.. but then, the more civilized among us are redskins fans)

is that thing sold out? i do have to applaud ppl that diehard to go see a thursday night cleveland game in -12 degree weather

aw, it's STEELERS WEEK, no offense to mookie

6-0

(I love the city of Pittsburgh btw)

every game agin' the steelers is sold out

steelers be agin' fwiw

cribbs

CRIBS!

http://www.bangitout.com/uploads/18cribsMTV.jpg

Up is down, down is up

down is about to be up by 9

"our team is like ellis island - we're the land of opportunity" - eric mangini

damn this wine, finally warm fyi

firstdaaaawn

oh god

"that was the first rushing touchdown by a cleveland running back THIS SEASON"

WTF

this is really weird

down is about to be up by 9 13

― all yoga attacks are fire based (rogermexico.), Thursday, December 10, 2009

sorry for doubting u chris jennings

Don't understand how teams can just march up the field after doing jack shit all half.

guys the steelers are now 0-4½ since i got a cat. coincidence???

look for the 2nd half to be like the steelers last drive - i've seen too many browns games

no browns coach has ever made 2nd half adjustments since M. Schottenheimer

FACT

WINE

i love the optimism of a true fan <3

mookie your cat is safe in the 2nd half~~

weathering!

"that was the first rushing touchdown by a cleveland running back THIS SEASON"

i know

I KNOW

http://www.fivestarcomics.com/knightwolf/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/planetoftheapes_1.jpg

prediction = if the steelers score on their first drive of the 2nd half then game over

pancakes otm

Millen: "they are kicking mucho dupa"
Papa: "where do you get this stuff"
Millen: "i don't know, it just showed up"

mucho tupa?

ALthough whatever happens, seeing Roethlisporker on his ass five times has warmed my heart.

^^^this

mucho tupa?

I'm not familiar with that word so probably.

i dont want cleveland to ever get good, because i think brownie will be less funny if it happens

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Tupa

damn u max

2 point TUPA

I REMEMBER

I TUPARTUCAS

Tupa announced his retirement from pro-football in the spring of 2006. In February 2006, he was appointed as the recreation director of Brecksville, Ohio.[1]

wonder if he's still there

thats not the kind of job u just give up

his 2 points redefined a nation

http://www.vetshonored.com/ProductImages/DVD_GreatestGen.jpg

"Uneasiness in the crowd" = "potential murderous rage," Matt Millen

damn

cribbs

we found a live stream on justin.tv from britain. instead of ads, they cut to men in a studio, and last break they read hilarious letters from british viewers who wanted to know the answers to questions like "what is this shit?", "when will this end?" and "will the chargers win the super bowl?"

wait now they are showing commercials. disappointed!

OH CMON BROWNS

i wonder if the chargers will win the super bowl. i just assumed they'd kick indy out of the playoffs and then lose the afc title game like usual.

HERE WE GO

DYING ON THE INSIDE

LETS GO ELLIS ISLAND BROWNS

GIVE US YOUR INTERCEPTIONS

i was going to say, dude, it's a lot harder for yall to lose this game than it is to win this game, but.. i watched too many redskins games to not know that some teams have a knack for finding a way to lose.

now what

mangini 4 mayor

damn roffles, idk why he didn't just run for it?

Yeah, OK, Stillers took a shot and lost on 4th & 6, but Browns crowd is acting like the clock just ran out.

I mean I've seen teams score like 40 points in 1:30 against this team.

never been in this situation tbh

brownie how do you feel about the prospect of mangini saving his job with some meaningless wins at the end of the season?

HE'S OK IF HE BEATS THE STEELERS

http://www.waitingfornextyear.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/Mangini-Probability_med.jpg

HOOOOOoooooooooooOWLLLLLLLLLLLL

Never underestimate the power of a rhino.

just cracked my 2nd bottle of wine

whoah, my stream froze with :03 on the clock. did the football gods decide they would have to do something to avert the likely outcome of this game?

I don't understand what Matt Millen is talking about like 35% of the time.

lol high motor

:D

LOL I didn't even realize that was the end of the game!

;D

by broadcasting matt millen makes clear y he couldnt possibly run a competent franchise

so happy

The Steelers have lost this year to the Chiefs, Raiders, & Browns.

i think the jets-bills game is still on, we could watch that

tears

I think I can hear church bells ringing in my neighbohood.

WE HAVEN'T BEATEN THE STEELERS IN A MILLION YEARS

WE'VE GOT MANGINI IN A BOTTLE

http://images.christmastimeclipart.com/images/2/x2501212aa/img_large_watermarked.jpg

mark schlereth is talkin such smack on the stillers

yay brownie! could not bring myself to watch this game but happy for u!

http://admin.clevelandbrowns.com/graphics/images/7304.a.jpg

WEEK 15: Our team is like Ellis Island. We're the land of opportunity. - Eric Mangini

thank u horseshoe!

so damn happy

happy in my <3 for u b

GONNA BE HUNGOVER ON THE 'MORROW

ok now the british people have claimed to have dusted off some films from the nfl archives, exciting instructional videos of important games to show the viewers so they learn...which is a game between some bored air force guys stationed in england versus a team of british people from ipswitch playing football against each other in a totally empty stadium. guys!

weathinging u should stop by on saturday

11'o clock news is reporting Steelers INVASION dowtnown

damn my spelling

*smokes camel light*

cat = 0-5 ;_;

http://www.youtube.com/v/YJzbIt37FVo&fs=1&hl=en

saints fans, ladies and gents

― farting irl (cankles), Tuesday, December 8, 2009 5:36 PM (2 days ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
the word 'savages' comes to mind most immediately

― farting irl (cankles), Tuesday, December 8, 2009 5:36 PM (2 days ago)

did not know billy joel was a saints fan tbh

i'll stop by but really we should be heading to britain where there is work to be done

brownies won this game with a rookie center, two rookie receivers, a rookie tightend and no S.Rodgers and no starting MLB plus other injuries on the D-LINE

STOP BY, SEE YOU AT 6?

http://thebrownsboard.com/images1/BROWNIE.jpg

6 w/bells on

well shit, look what happened while i was out

brownie congrats man i am happy for you

Browns are gonna win Thursday night. You heard it here first. Or at least they'll put up a good fight. These are two teams going in two different directions.

― Mr. Snrub, Tuesday, December 8, 2009 3:47 PM (3 days ago) Bookmark

JUST CALL ME SNRUBADAMUS!!!!!!! SNRUBAFUCKINGDAMUS!!!!! Who called it?? Who fucking called it, huh?? ME!! That's who!! ME!! Did you see Rofflesgurger on his ass eight times? EIGHT FUCKING TIMES!!

(Yes I do have ten beers and three jacks inme and yes I do have to get up and go to work tomorrow at five a.m. but you know what>? I DONT CARE!!! I DONT FUCKING CARE!!! WOOOOOT!!!!)

THE BROWNS BEAT THE FUCKING STEELERS!!!!! I'M SO HAPPY!!

congrats brownie, snrub, god's shining city on the sea cleveland

~amazing~

kinda happy for brownie

less so for snrub, god's shining city

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there are three phases of the game. offense, defense, and special teams.

I <3 u, cankles.

http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/2009/images/12/10/T1_1210_shamuswilliams.jpg

Mike Furrey is a pretty good defensive back for a wide receiver.

he started out as a safety iirc, was moved to receiver

Oh man I am sad I missed this! Am happy for you Brownie!

thanks everyone, currently I'm putting together playoff scenarios if the browns win out and go 5-11. i think it can happen

make sure they play the titans somehow plz

those runback gifs are stunning

we have hit one of the highest points in modern football

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601079&sid=a7HBOnqjAF7k

and yet another highest point in modern football, if by high you mean literally, on scarface-levels of cocaine.

it'll be just like watching the game in person

@kassimosgood: I wonder if on a day off Jerry Jones brings his PS3 into the stadium and plays Call Of Duty on the big screen?

Why is there no game tonight? Usually they start up the Saturday night game after the college football games are out of the way.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/standings/playoffrace/seeds

According to this, both Oakland and the Bills have not been mathematically eliminated. I wonder what kind of scenario would have to happen that either one of them makes the playoffs?

if BUF wins out, NE drops their next four, and the jets and dolphins both go 1-3 down the stretch, BUF wins the division at 8-8

you laugh, and then you think about miami last year...

OAK's got it a little tougher since they can only go as an 8-8 wild card

never did picks! well did them on yahoo and already dropped 15 points, but not here.

Pittsburgh at Cleveland - pitt WRONG
New Orleans at Atlanta - nola
Carolina at New England - pats
Buffalo at Kansas City - bills
New York Jets at Tampa Bay - jets
Miami at Jacksonville - fins
Cincinnati at Minnesota - vikes
Detroit at Baltimore - ravens
Green Bay at Chicago - pack
Seattle at Houston - hawks
Denver at Indianapolis - colts
Washington at Oakland - skins
St Louis at Tennessee - titans
San Diego at Dallas - bolts
Philadelphia at New York Giants - eagles
Arizona at San Francisco - cards

9-7 last week, 131-61 overall

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/standings/playoffrace/seeds

According to this, both Oakland and the Bills have not been mathematically eliminated. I wonder what kind of scenario would have to happen that either one of them makes the playoffs?

― earlnash, Saturday, December 12, 2009 6:24 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

kind of wish i did not know this

ugh i have jets/tampa & pats/panthers on my tv

ty nfln & redzone u r a lifesaver

fuckin bills

not really clear to me why we're playing ryan fitzpatrick other than he's willing to throw to t.o.

ricky williams just fumbled twice in 2 touches (didnt lose either)

all right i <3 u aaron schobel

okay ryan fitzpatrick just threw a nice block for marshawn all is forgiven

+! fun with brett

peyton makin it look easy

i know i am a horrible person but it is that point in the season where i would rather be watching peyton makin it look easy than the bills sputter

Terrell heard you

i know! that happened while i was typing that! i am so sorry!

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd252/philradz/Signatures%20and%20Avatars/TOav.gif

<3

lol "brett favre makes his 6000th completion...an interesting one"

texans/squawks game - total yards 225 - 13

cutler's qb rating is 16.7

update 10.7

oh no dallas clark caught a td and then he died :(

not sure if i have made this observation on ilnfl before, but dallas clark is a babe

colts informing broncos who the better horse is

xp it did look like that didnt it

pats-panthers game is depressing so far

touchdown ochocinco! <3

am i the only person who picked cleveland, btw?

cutler? touchdown?

man, favre trying so hard to turn it over in the end zone right there
C MON MAN

i took CLE with the points ats

when a local team is playing on Monday night, do local channels get to broadcast the game, or do I have to stream ESPN on the internet? When SF played on Thursday night, NFLN broadcasted the game locally.

I think you get the game on a local channel, actually - but don't quote me on it.

NO/ATL game just got really animated. Mike Smith broke his headset!

I just logged on to post about how worthless Reggie Bush is, and then he immediately scored a touchdown.

pats. smh

niiiice opening drive close to carolina 25 yard line and sammy morris loses the football
wtf

cutler, touchdown. it's like he just woke up from the coma he got in game 1 up in green bay

Fox: Please stop showing the Minnesota National Guard in Iraq every time Favre completes a pass.

haha

tampa still has 0 1st downs

oh i think they just got their first!

aromashadu

<3 all the 2nd string falcons rite now

cutler, interception

good night, sweet prince

Fox: Please stop showing the Minnesota National Guard in Iraq every time Favre completes a pass.

― real bears playing hockey (polyphonic), Sunday, December 13, 2009

stop making me side with john mccain's indefinite war plan, you fucks

daaaaamn ochocinco

about got his head taken off right there. seems to be ok though

i benched reggie bush today ;_;

I am pretty sure local channels get the MNF games, since I remember reading that the insane 67 rating for the Saints/Patriots game was the combined rating of ESPN and the local channel.

Awww, Cutler almost threw another interception, although it wouldn't have been his fault at all.

brandon marshall has 18 catches today btw

O WHAT DID THE SAINTS JUST DO LETTING MARK BRUNELL THROW A BALL?

lol @ Saints fake field goal

I mean...why, why do that

Good Lord, Williams just tried to remove Clay Matthews' head from his body.

FALCONS!!!

GO ATLANTA

I'm watching the Bengals penalty parade, but it looks like Denver is making it interesting in Indy.

jesus, vilma

goddamn can we just give atlanta a fifth down

NO. I PUT A LOT OF CONFIDENCE POINTS ON THE SAINTS DAMNIT >:[

<3 Sean Payton

That fake FG was 16 confidence points on his D.

lol @ peyton false start

Aaaarggghhhh this GB-Chicago game just refuses to go into the good night.

they are shutting down all mah streams

what is wrong with randy moss today..

This stream showing an extended ad for Chantix technically means I can count it as studying for my Pulmonary exam tomorrow. If I could get an ad for an asthma medication sometime later on then basically I am golden, I figure.

Also Chantix apparently gives you insane dreams, so there's that.

PS Now this game is over hooray!!!

the chantix ad is weird, it's like they have only a slightly better quit rate than just taking sugar pills? but you'll get insane dreams and become agitated and suicidal, and sugar can't give you that.

is that the one with the old guy whose teeth are brown?

Yeah, the cold turkey/placebo quitting success rate is like 14%, and Chantix is 33%. Which they will obviously will phrase like "IT DOUBLES YOUR CHANCES OF SUCCESS!!!" without mentioning that your chances of quitting success are still not great.

Yeah it was just some old guy talking about quitting smoking for like a minute and a half, even though his lungs are probably already shot after like 100 pack-years and now he basically has LSD dreams every night.

skins are playing QUINTON GANTHER at rb

i need phil simms to stfu

i feel like if you are already a 60 year old man who has been smoking since age 13, why bother with the chantix? is that scientifically unsound? i've heard that it takes at least ten years for your lungs to return to normal when you quit (depending on how long/heavy you smoked) - so if you quit at 30, you will have theoretically cleared your shit by age 40, but if you quit at 60, you probably will still get lung cancer at 65. i don't know why i'm asking the nfl board this question but these are the things i've heard.

also, isn't chantix the one that just blocks nicotene receptors? i've had friends who were on, i think, chantix, and it just resulted in them smoking MORE, and getting really pissed off about it.

haha why did CBS just reshow the romo-seahawks debacle except maybe to crack me up

yep. portis, betts on IR, sellers got hurt last week..
defense looking good so far

oakland-washington is like "i watch this for the lolz". chargers-cowboys will annoy me no matter what, i feel like.

i really don't know what to think abt chantix etc. i'm only a social smoker and even that is pretty rare, but i should prob quit that, it can't be good. used to smoke a lot more in college, everybody did

ok yeah need to quit the social smoking before i start looking old
seems to me that many unpleasant side effects might lead someone with a smoking habit to want to smoke more, because of being miserable from all the side effects?

lol @ jason campbell still only able to slide head first. zorn tried to teach him & it just hasn't ever worked out.

Chantix is according to my notes (which better be right or else I am going to faaaaaaiiiillll) a partial nicotinic receptor agonist, so yeah basically. Nicotine receptors can sometimes respond to over-stimulation by having the cells make more nicotine receptors, which is really weird as far as drugs go. Best option is probably Chantix plus a nicotine replacement like the patch or the gum, plus luck, and ideally someone around you to make sure you don't like try to murder the president.

Lung cancer risk takes a long time to return to the baseline because cancer is always a whole bunch of mutations, one after another after another, so some people get the first one and eventually that turns into the second one and then like twenty years later they get cancer, but the risk of heart disease and stroke due to the effects of nicotine on your blood vessels actually goes away much sooner. Also the rare and exciting smoking-related Interstitial Pneumonias caused by smoking will basically immediately go away once you quit smoking.

LOL I am studying on ILNFL

I hope Bolts win + Giants lose today.

lol @ oakland player jumping into the crowd and disappearing completely for a moment
"with the way oakland fans are, you had to wonder if he'd ever come back out of there"

"You know how those people are"

If the Chargers don't draft a RB next year I am going to be pretty pissed off.

Also, the Chargers' third string QB Charlie Whitehurst looks a LOT like Jesus Christ imo.

http://i46.tinypic.com/hu0d28.jpg
Don't see it.

http://i45.tinypic.com/2e1ud0p.jpg

Kind of see it (also this is just a wonderful photo, A+)

FUCK YEAH GOAL LINE STAND MF

maybe the cowboys should have tried a different play call one of those four times?

His beard is like way longer than that now.

hahaha cowboys. BUT WE HAVE 3D GLASSES, HOW IS THIS POSSIBLE.

oh phil

That was Cutler-esque

damn, rivers.

also thank you for all that smoking information! i feel like this 10 years concept mostly came from my dad but then reading up on it, it seemed like it was logical on heart issues and emphysema risk, so it's good to read a fuller explanation.

rivers not issued 3D glasses i guess

In a way, it was a 30 yard punt out of the endzone on third down. Not TERRIBLE but yeah ugly.

Wow, that is not a throw I expect to see Philip Rivers make. Definitely not going all Philip Rivers.

xp Thank you!

philip rivers no longer has the doughboy babyfat on his face btw; this is disconcerting

Amazing.

loooooooooooooool cowboys

uh nice kick

Hahaha Cowboys. Here are some points if you want them, OK no you do not.

Wow Mike Scifres is so pissed about that touchback! Love that dude.

guys! pre-game highlights of hitting the board!

<3 scifres hulking out

Cowboys are like Santa: always go down the chimney in December.

skins-raiders trying to outdo the last mnf game with the penalties

<3 Cowboys self-destruction. It always paves the way for Eagles Playoff Time.

TOUCHDOWN
17-10 skins!

these refs are completely out for the raiders!

that's a fumble. wtf refs.

the guy closest to him ruled it a catch! how are they now saying it was incomplete!

maybe i should switch back to the cowboys comedy hour

wait that was insane!

where gradkowski just chucked it underhand to the dude?

OMG ANOTHER 70 YARD FG

66

<3 the raiders for being the raiders

70 YARD FIELD GOAL TRY THE LANE KIFFIN MEMORIAL PLAY

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maybe they're actually showing an action movie on that video board? i mean, we don't know.

what the cowboy terrordome needs next is smell-o-vision

ahahahah i love you daria

Yeah, that lady's face scared the crap out of me.

"oh no! steve mcqueen! beware of that blob! ahhhh!"

maybe jerry jones decided to show a different game on the video board in which it isn't cowboys comedy hour?

She was so excited about that ridiculous field goal attempt by the Raiders, maybe?

vince young is hurt :(

um "LG Projector Phone"? fuck the world.

i mean seriously i foresee that projector phone ending in some tech nerd that i know being a dick while drunk in a bar projecting porn or something onto some lady's ass and then being decked by a giant B&T mook posthaste. what is the point of this technology?

besides getting jon williams punched in the face, i guess.

gooooood grief skins manage to lose about 20 yards on a sack.

a projector phone? there's no way that can end well for 95% of the population imho

The Rams are playing a QB named NULL.

what happened in the 'boys game? ware is being taken out on a stretcher...

Demarcus with a head injury, carted off.

Movement in all four limbs tho

he ran into a teammate's thigh/hip area head first.

Rivers just cut them up in those last couple of plays.

raiders throw an incomplete pass on 3rd and 35, announcers inform us that had it been complete, they'd have had a chance at a 58-yard field goal

btw gradkowski got hurt, jamarcus russell is playing.. be afraid

how the fuck is this pass interference?

if i was a raiders fan i'd be punching myself in my own face out of frustration at these refs

lol @ pass interference on the raiders because.. santana moss tripped and fell

if i were a raiders fan i might do that anyway

is there even football still happening @ cowboy terrordome or did they just decide to take a nice break and watch a movie?

BOB SEGER and COLD CASE finally together as one

How does Vincent Jackson get that wide open?

redskins! 24-13

aaaaand next drive russell throws an INT

SD is just grindin' the Cowboys to dust in this drive.

dallas cowboys 3D dust

this is probably it for the Raiders extremely thin playoff chance, right?

http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk248/electricauntjemima7_2008/Cheech-And-Chong-Posters.jpg

Magic dust.

Playoff chance?!?

quinton ganther has two touchdowns! and cowboys bout to lose.. in 3D

haha, according to that CBS link pasted a ways up, the Raiders had a shot at wildcard til today. I'm sure it depended on everyone in their division losing every game from here out.

now is the time for philip rivers to put on a pair of those glasses and start taunting the crowd

After I read that, I figured the Raiders' playoff chances had to include some kind of Earth fissure opening up taking out the Broncos and Chargers.

Fantasy owners across the US are happy with Wade Phillips running a drill to help boost Tony Romo's stats.

yeah, what was that about?! kick the FG

it's crazy that orton today - attempted 41 passes and 28 were to marshall, completed 29 passes, 21 were to marshall

FUCKING SAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAINTS

<3 <3 <3 chris johnson, he is my favorite american

HEY JACK IT'S A FACT

does it upset cris at all that he is not "the best on tv" but is merely "having fun on tv"?

Hahaha, the first time I actually sat through the lyrics I was like "Having fun on TV?" I like to believe that either John Madden or Faith Hill was adamant that Cris Collinsworth not be held with the same respect that Madden was. Mostly this is so I can imagine Faith Hill in the studio saying, "Well really I think Jaworski is doing a much better job over at ESPN, I don't want to sing a lie. We're changing this."

HEY JACK IT'S A FACT

― everyone kills people (the schef (adam schefter ha ha)), Sunday, December 13, 2009 8:22 PM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Whew. Amazing.

I think Brent Celek wants to climb up in the crowd and give them some what for.

mike vick and donovan mcnabb are adorable together

BAGS FLY FREE

southwest: still the only airline who has ever lost my bags.

and they did so, twice.

When it's working, the Eagles offense is just magically to watch.

GUYS.

<3 u Iggles!

holy crap

o_O

Oh Noes! Choo Choo train breaks...

xxxxxp I don't fly often, maybe once every two years. But SW always do me right.

hah. that was weird.

lol @ that completion

Trotter with the assist on that one.

that was designed that way

How can you drop that one?! Perfect pass...

both of them!

slap some corrective lenses into that guy!

http://i47.tinypic.com/6qb575.jpg

i was gonna say, maybe run that play again?

Nicks needed that one after that bad drop.

awesome hakeem nicks mini-narrative on that drive

two drops iirc!

That is one hip cat.

Third time is the charm.

just before that play, my friend who knows nothing about football said "this nicks dude suuuuucks"

xtina is so ws @_@

Even on that third one, his jump looked a little mistimed.

That formation is kind of wacky, it didn't look like there was enough people on the line of scrimmage.

giants have no idea how to cover tight ends/running backs

Am I just biased, or does it sound like no matter what state the game is in, the announcers are pumped for NY?

It really doesn't work with the Jets.

Nicks was covered, but that looked like a pass that should have been caught.

That looked like a sprint.

umm, DO NOT KICK IT TO DESEAN JACKSON

desean jackson y'all!

Ladies + Gentlemen: The 2009 Philadelphia Eagles.

also, that was kind of pathetic by feagles there. is he the one who never really even tries to make tackles?

Btw, congratz on the win, Daria.

hey no problem! i think we worked it out where i send the plays to the sherm up in the booth there, he relays them to the sherm on the field, and he relays them to campbell. its a whole system now, we have committee meetings by conference call during the week and we might bring in another consultant just because, we can never have too many consultants! i was kind of worried at first that it might be problematic if i never talked to the qb DIRECTLY, but vs raiders, it's all good

oh thank the lord.

ok giants, learn how to tackle for christ's sake.

may wanna cover that dude

ok what the fuck is even going on in this game.

wtf happened there?! fumble with live ball and everyone was just walking around..

but if it was a live ball they should've never blown the whistle and it'd be the infinity play....

so basically there's an alternate universe that developed from that moment and in that alternative universe, dudes are still walking around the field & refs are like hey, someone might want to get that

explain me this green bodysuited fan in the audience

i'm pretty sure neither of these teams actually know the rules of football, is the problem

so i bring up this alternative universe, and then there's this:
http://i47.tinypic.com/34shw0k.jpg

i'm very concerned. and a little afraid.

Some teams don't have 1 QB, we have 2. It's an embarrassment of riches.

XP You must be referring to Green Man.

it's not even the right shade of green dude

er, talking directly to green man there

how does green man breathe?

explain me this green bodysuited fan in the audience

Green Man! (from It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia)

NBC: the channel for fans of acapella competition.

i wouldn't call mike vick a quarterback. i've yet to see proof he's even a better throwing rb than a couple other rbs and wrs in the league. JUST SAYIN'.

granted i wouldn't call jamarcus russell a quarterback either yet here we are.

i was a vick apologist for years, but now that he's not on my team i can admit that he isnt very good

or mark brunell, yet the saints seemed to feel he was capable of a fake field goal trick pass!

so maybe the problem is that i don't know what that job actually entails, anymore.

i think the sony/cloudy with a chance of meatballs ad is my favorite Peyton Manning commercial. thought about making a poll, but it seemed like too big a pain to find out all the commercials he's been in.

haha you were such a vick stan dude!

my least fav is whack-a-mole tbh

no way the best peyton commercials are the mastercard commercials

yeah the whack-a-mole sucks. i like the ping pong, but that's more timberlake

those sony commercials underuse peyton

yeah i feel like they dont really let him shine - the mastercard spots are his masterworks, so 2 speak

well the one last year where he had to restrain the chicken was pretty funny

SHUT THE FUCK UP BOB COSTAS

^^^^^

rocly gervais sux

Best thing about the Sony commercials is the hope that someone somewhere will be like "You know what, we need to make a buddy movie starring Peyton Manning and Justin TImberlake", and that the people making that film will understand the gifts of both of them.

so basically in the last 2:00 before half/end of game, you don't have a challenge but it's kind of understood that instead, you just take a time out and yell at the refs to do a booth review?

i don't think the timeout matters--if it was a reviewable play theyd have reviewed it

That was a big play. Pretty much they don't get in, they are toast.

this game is gonna end up 57-55

Hope so.

oh dear

oh, eli! what was that!?

Jesus Christ, what is that?

lol

wait he was down

right?

The ground can't cause a fumble either way.

HE WAS DOWN
i'm just saying this because i like him though

it wasn't the ground tho, he like rolled it

how is that not caused by the ground

so no one else has any idea what they were even talking about, right?

it makes me feel like i have never known the rules

which is very possible

i don't understand the call

I don't get it either, he hit the ground and it popped out. That has been the generic use of that goofy rule for years.

he wasn't touched though when he hit, does that matter?

FUCK

lol nice tackling philly

iggles tackling is atrocious

all right!

Doesn't really matter now. That was some terrible tackling by the Eagles on that one.

OH SHIT

xpost he was touched though, at least as much "touched' as would qualify for most qbs being down. it's weird.

I want to punch the announcers in the face. They never sound this excited when we score.

my assumption is that it's because eli went to the ground on his own but i'll be looking for more info on this one

"he wasn't touched though when he hit, does that matter?"

Maybe that is the difference, but I swear I have seen about that same play and they call it dead at the point the ball popped out. It is one of those gray areas that could go either way sometimes.

<3 u Jackson.

http://i50.tinypic.com/28032n8.jpg

jesus

lol awesome dance

what the fuck

this game is insane

I want to punch the announcers in the face. They never sound this excited when we score.

It was a big exciting play that caused a game to be tied!

Also really that play right there got Al Michaels kinda amped, and also what is this game? Does this game have defense?

nfc east defenses on display

71-70 final score

I think Hicks got confused and started going backwards.

wait, now guys are running backwards? WHAT IS THIS

What in the hell this game just gets weirder!

Boo! More offense.

tecmo bowl

Jackson ran backwards earlier on that punt return -- but then he ran forward and scored a TD.

desean jackson is such a punk i love him

hey, feagles - fucking punt right

hey remember when the rams took donnie avery over jackson? good times

poor bnw

Isn't Feagles like 45?

are u implying maybe he is going senile

brett favre is 700 years old and he punts correctly

the eagles are like a terrible movie...al...?

This is why Faith Hill no longer believes they are the best on TV.

eli throws well when he's being pursued. such a weirdo

Manning could have 350+ yards in passing if the Giants caught some of those balls.

I guess it would be over 400+ as he is already at 310.

jesus yeah, i was shocked to see how many yards he did have

well, that was weird

This drive is a pleasure to watch.

NFL Network should really run a special 1 hour video montage of unnecessary Wildcat formation plays that didn't go anywhere.

Tbf, that Wildcat play got 4 yards. It wasn't a failure.

such ridiculous tackling

i hate the wildcat and want it to fail, no matter who's running it

THATS IT SON

I am in favor of restricting the wildcat to whichever team Ronnie Brown is on, only.

NOJINX; Philly about to go #1 in NFC East.

no way andy reed just did that jump move

hahaha who else saw andy reid just there

Unless someone is willing to take the TebowCat challenge next year, in which case, Godspeed to them.

WHATUP MORDS

How u doin, k3v?? It's been pretty cool nite.

a gif of reid/jackson is required, asap

i cant think of anything that is more of a guaranteed gif moment tbh

oh just studying for finals & enjoying the 14 pt lead, i missed the reid jump apparently and would love a gif

How did that even happen?

jesus

apparently nobody can tackle here

Right end for the Eagles looked lined up in the neutral zone.

BIG PLAY

good call sir!

Awww almost had another ridiculous score.

the jackson/reid gif will be a beautiful thing 2 post in the future when he makes ridic 4th qtr clock management calls in the playoffs

did they just go for 2?? what happened

oh shit challenge

tada!

yeaaaah

how the hell do you let him behind you up 14 points.

fucking sheldon

Haha the replay is just Mario Manningham drifting and drifting...

reid must be marveling @ giants clock management

Eagles are in good shape as long as they don't have to pull out the 2 minute offense.

does nbc still do that FINAL ACT graphic when games arent close ? i hope so

Jesus, Cialis for daily use? I feel so bad for the wives, girlfriends, life partners, and mistresses of whoever is taking a boner pill every freaking day.

I would really like to see this game go to overtime, just because whoever wins really should get to 50 points.

I'm gonna guess there won't be OT.

*Sad trombone*

*Happy trombone*

lol @ fair catch there

haaaaaaaaaaaaaaa @ flag

Hahaha this game is hilarious!

what the hell just happened in that end zone

welp

WOO #1 #1 #1

appropriately ridiculous ending, i guess

RUMBLE!

I am pretty sure one of those punches was thrown at a guy's helmet.

I have no idea what just happened there, but I have to believe Eagles didn't /start/ that for obvious reasons.

WOW

DISQUALIFIED

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6aRwky0W5Y

oh jesus cole's an idiot

thread title invoked real time

might not be able to play next week?

http://i50.tinypic.com/2lkv2ud.jpg

found! (i didn't make it)

yay!

haha reid regretted that the moment he landed

DeSean Jackson, you are my second favorite Cal Golden Bear!

I wondered if Vikings-Panthers was really the best possible game next week for NBC to air with the flex schedule, and yeah somehow NBC decided to go with Brett Favre & AD vs a 5-8 team instead of Chargers vs. Bengals.

SMH

yeah the Vikings/Panthers game is the first Sunday night game that seems like a real stinker this year.

now if yall will excuse me im gonna go troll katrina survivors on a Saints messageboard

you're excused. keep it classy over dere, alright?

that's a catch!
<3 fitzgerald

nbc should be set on fire for that decision fyi

go bag some groceries nigga

chuckie and jaws lol'ing at the game again

so is it just me or are these NFLN game ads with saints/colts a little misleading?

"Nothing good comes out of a rekick."

yeah ads are totally misleading
also i feel like it would be better for the purposes of hyping games if there were only one undefeated team
otherwise its like.. you HAVE to watch all these games of .. two teams. nah

JakeMarcus Warner

http://i49.tinypic.com/20a8n01.jpg

oh jeez, look at this 49ers fan all dressed up in his diehard 49ers fan outfit

helluva catch

uh, cardinals. what's with these games where you guys just don't show up?

free leinart

haven't been watching, just checked the score, wtf?

turnovers:
sf 1
super cards 5

Tom Jackson, you are NOT old enough to remember the Long Ranger.

GO FOR IT

this game is dumb

49ers gold pants make butts really pop

^^^posts very much in the character of ade

lmao well played

you have forever changed the way i watch football

I knew it was just a matter of time before Fitzy got injured... the Madden curse lives.

hes ok now, it seems

also.. what a fool just now, spiking the football. wtf. how many penalty yards are we at now?

who gets an extra point blocked? o_O

LOL BLOCKED

ROUTE COMBINATIONS. PASS CONCEPTS. 80S! 90S!

one thing i have figured out is that if you want to sound like you know a lot about football, use the word "concepts" a lot

also always call the 3-4 defense "the thirtyfour" instead of three-four, all coaches do that for some reason

For the love of god.

lol this game

the inconvenient truth!

lol, what?!

have we hit another one of the lowest points in modern football?

1 more for the full hanukkah

ok whatever that was about

aw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13d_rSl7Q8s

"This lady – who was middle aged and wore Marshall’s No. 15 jersey to the game – was clearly a fan. Upon receiving the unexpected gift, the woman convulsed in what can be described as jubilant shock. Hugging the ball and jumping up and down, she was overcome by tears of joy. The moment actually lasted several minutes, as, still bawling, she held the souvenir high above hear head – not unlike the way Rafiki, the mandrill-like baboon in The Lion King, held new baby Simba for all of the Animal Kingdom to see.
At one point, a man standing to her left offers her a high five, only to be left hanging. "

^as written by don delillo ?

btw: 13-3 against the spread this week. missed on NO, JAC, and ARI

/braggin

haha, i just figured out where the Sunday Night football theme song is from- it's been bugging me forever. Am I the only one who didn't know this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ry9ppgHPzks

yes

:(

sorry.

U GUYZE WHY IS THERE NO WEEK 15 THRED YET?

make one, toughie

take your pick:

WEEK 15: JUST CALL ME SNRUBADAMUS!!!!!!! SNRUBAFUCKINGDAMUS!!!!!
WEEK 15: BUT WE HAVE 3D GLASSES!! HOW IS THIS POSSIBLE????
WEEK 15: Our team is like Ellis Island. We're the land of opportunity. - Eric Mangini
WEEK 15: http://incolor.inebraska.com/billd/images/SAS/cribbs.gif

week 15: that's a lot of conversation coming from a team that just lost another game

PINK? PINK?
The only good thing to come of this will be when Joan Jett drags her into court to demand the return of "Hate Myself For Loving You."

― rogermexico (rogermexico), Sunday, September 10, 2006 4:16 PM (3 years ago)

I don't know that I have seniority enuf to open weekly threds tbh

I don't feel like I do either, but I was tired of waiting.

guys anyone can start threads

if eric mangini can coach a football team, anyone can start a thread

if you bought the same kind of talent and expertise to starting a football thread that mangini brings to coaching a football team, the thread would be a poll on tmi called WEEK 43: JELLIE.

possibly