ILNFL Fantasy: 14 Deep

http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com/f1/36867

Let's meet our contestants:

Tebow the Letter - omar little
Wit and Wisdom - Mr. Snrub
PEACE BE UPON MUSHIN
Forked In the Back - forksclovetofu
He Hate Me - Kevin Y
Les Savy Favre - polyphonic
a boy named suh - johnny crunch
Wildcat The Musical - Johnny Fever
fuck you santa clara - iatee
balls
The Stooges - WmC
BEAR ALERT
GORAMS - bnw
Brownie - brownie

IDENTIFY URSELF if u haven't already

boy named suh here~

New draft time for this league is Saturday September 4th at 5pm. Any objections?

o sweet

GORAMS - which I prefer be pronounced as some kind of s.t.d.

Also, let's talk rules.
- I pushed back the trade deadline to after Thanksgiving.
- To help things stay competitive, the waiver order will be by reverse standings; worst team will have first crack at the wire on any given week.
- Playoffs will be wk 14, 15, 16 and include the top eight teams.

^like all those

tebow the letter checking in

I also jostled the points breakdown; we can change these if we have a consensus disagreement. I was hoping it would make for some good conversation.

OFFENSE:
Passing, Receiving, Rushing or Returning TD: 6 pts
Completed Pass, Reception or Rushing attempt: .25 pt
25 Passing Yards: 1 pt
15 Receiving or Returning Yards: 1 pt
10 Rushing Yards: 1 pt
Incomplete Pass: -.25 pt
Fumbles or Interceptions: -2 pts

KICKING:
Field Goals 0-39 Yards: 3 pts
Field Goals 40-49 Yards: 4 pts
Field Goals 50+ Yards: 5 pts
Field Goals Missed 0-19 Yards: -2 pt
Field Goals Missed 20-29 Yards: -1 pt
PAT: 1 pt
Missed PAT: -1 pt

DEFENSE:
Tackle: 1 pt
1/2 Tackle: 1/2 pt
Sack, Fumble Recovery, Interception, Safety or Blocked Kick: 2 pts
Defensive TD: 6 pts
0 Points Allowed: 10 pts
1-6 Points Allowed: 7 pts
7-13 Points Allowed: 4 pts
14-20 Points Allowed: Zero pts
21-27 Points Allowed: -4 pts
28-34 Points Allowed: -7 pts
35 or more Points Allowed: -10 pts

BONUSES:
250 Yards Passing: 3 pts
150 Yards Receiving: 3 pts
125 Yards Rushing: 3 pts

Fractional point scoring and negative point scoring are allowed.

Comments, thoughts?

BTW, because Yahoo only allows for a certain number of ticked boxes, I had to turn off the 2 pt conversion scoring. If anyone gets burned by that during the season, let me know and I'll manually add the points.

RE Positions:
New team lineup is 1 QB, 3 WR, 2 RB, 1 TE, 1 K, 1 WR/RB/TE (note that last one), 1 DEF, 3 Defensive Players, 6 Bench and (I always wanted to institute this) a single IR spot.

^^^^^^again, open to discussion.

like the 3 idp

7 bench is a lot maybe?

Also: just revised Defensive bonuses.

Oh, that should be a six man bench; my bad. Just changed it via admin.

I'm Les Savy Favre.

So for quick reference, here's the specs:

- 14 team league for maximum drama
- Draft time for this league is Saturday September 4th at 5pm.
- I pushed back the trade deadline to after Thanksgiving.
- To help things stay competitive, the waiver order will be by reverse standings; worst team will have first crack at the wire on any given week.
- Playoffs will be wk 14, 15, 16 and include the top eight teams.
- Fractional point scoring and negative point scoring are allowed.

Team lineup is 1 QB, 3 WR, 2 RB, 1 TE, 1 K, 1 WR/RB/TE (note the swing TE option), 1 DEF, 3 Defensive Players, 6 Bench and (I always wanted to institute this) a single IR spot.

OFFENSE:
Passing, Receiving, Rushing or Returning TD: 6 pts
Completed Pass, Reception or Rushing attempt: .25 pt
25 Passing Yards: 1 pt
15 Receiving or Returning Yards: 1 pt
10 Rushing Yards: 1 pt
Incomplete Pass: -.25 pt
Fumbles or Interceptions: -2 pts

KICKING:
Field Goals 0-39 Yards: 3 pts
Field Goals 40-49 Yards: 4 pts
Field Goals 50+ Yards: 5 pts
Field Goals Missed 0-19 Yards: -2 pt
Field Goals Missed 20-29 Yards: -1 pt
PAT: 1 pt
Missed PAT: -1 pt

DEFENSE:
Tackle: 1 pt
1/2 Tackle: 1/2 pt
Sack, Fumble Recovery, Interception, Safety or Blocked Kick: 2 pts
Defensive TD: 6 pts
0 Points Allowed: 10 pts
1-6 Points Allowed: 7 pts
7-13 Points Allowed: 4 pts
14-20 Points Allowed: Zero pts
21-27 Points Allowed: -4 pts
28-34 Points Allowed: -7 pts
35 or more Points Allowed: -10 pts

BONUSES:
250 Yards Passing: 3 pts
150 Yards Receiving: 3 pts
125 Yards Rushing: 3 pts

BTW, because Yahoo only allows for a certain number of ticked boxes, I had to turn off the 2 pt conversion scoring. If anyone gets burned by that during the season, let me know and I'll manually add the points.

is +/- 10 the most a category can be? i always thought a team putting up a zero on defense should be worth like 20

I don't like to see people win games based on the strength of any one player; 10 points feels like plenty to me.

Wildcat The Musical = me.

You done gone crazy with the changes, but whatevs. I'll play.

brownie = Ned Raggett

Phil Dawson + 1st round = Champs

Stooges here.

David Butthurst is the name for now.

I'm having a serious nostalgia attack for the post Bart Starr GB QB's so I may change it to Winn-Dickey come draft day.

fuck you santa clara is me

One of the players sent some Qs about this league and I had some As that I thought were worth sharing:

Q: RE: return yardage - so it is credited to the player but not to Special Teams/Defense?
A: Yes, return yardage is to individual players, which adds extra benefit to RB/WR who double on the return team. Worth bearing in mind during the draft!

Q: IDP - we play 3 defensive players. Do we play players by position (1 each Defensive Lineman, Linebacker and Defensive Back) or are all IDP pooled together (I can play 3 Lineman, for example)
A: All IDP are indeed pooled together; you can draft 3 lineman. With the relatively high value of an independent tackle (equivalent to a 15 yard rush) the benefit of drafting a quality IDP early in the draft should be pretty clear.

Q: RE: Injured Reserve - do we draft for IR (say I wanted Fred Jackson, who will be injured at draft time - do I draft directly to IR or do I draft him as a RB, then move him to IR and grab a new player as a free agent after the draft). Also - does IR cover other non-players (suspended for example).
A: My understanding about IR is limited as this is my first year using it in yahoo, but given your example I believe you would draft Jackson, move him to IR and get a free agent and that IR would cover suspended players as well. I'll check with the other players to see if they've used IR before as well.

second question urgent and key - all of you should draft nothing but defensive linemen for the first five rounds and then rounds six thru eight nothing but kick returners obv

i would take London Fletcher before i would take TO for reals

i would take jessica fletcher before i would take to

wow. only just now catching up with the gory mess forks has made of this. pro-tip to anyone wanting to make plans next saturday night - this draft is gonna run until sunday. pacific time.

so you would be MUSHIN, then?
and same as i said a week ago: "we can change these if we have a consensus disagreement. I was hoping it would make for some good conversation."
explain what's gory about the mess and we can recalibrate if it's gonna make for a better time.
But yeah, a fourteen person draft is not gonna be fast. I would guess we'll be done at 8.

nah, it's cool, i guess there's just a lot to digest. i will make sure that wherever i am watching a game i have a slide rule with me so i can figure out how many points i get each time my long snapper scratches his ass.

hahaha, i am an OCD type guy, yes.

This draft is pretty much going to be a crapshoot by round 4. I hope I at least get a favorable position in the order. I'm usually in the back 1/3 (around 7-10).

hey dudes i'm pretty new to fantasy (last year was first year and i SUCKED) had my draft for work league last night, how did i do?

QB Philip Rivers

RB Frank Gore

RB Jonathan Stewart

WR Randy Moss

WR Roddy White

TE Jason Witten

D/ST Vikings D/ST

K Nate Kaeding

BENCH

Brandon Jacobs

Jerome Harrison

Donovan McNabb

Darren McFadden

Devery Henderson

John Carlson

Texans D/ST

Chris Chambers

INJURED RESERVE

Vincent Jackson

how big was the league? looks good tho i think you'll be wanting for rb help at some point

How come you can have VJax on IR when he isn't injured.

hard to gage w/o knowing league size but those starters look awesome, bench looks iffy maybe. personally i wouldn't waste two roster spots on defense, last year i just picked whoever had the best matchup off the waiver wire every week and did just fine. if i was in a league w/ 8 or more teams and i had yr starting rbs and wrs i would think 'i am going to win this league'.

Wildcat The Musical = me.

― Johnny Fever, Saturday, August 14, 2010 4:22 AM (2 weeks ago)

One of my friends just gave me a new team name, so I will now be known as I'm Thinkin' RBs.

thanks y'all maybe i will dump the extra defense/st

How come you can have VJax on IR when he isn't injured.

― no gut busting joke can change history (polyphonic), Monday, August 30, 2010 11:09 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

because he is suspened for 3 games and threatening to hold out the whole season...got him late cuzza that cuz i figured if he ends up playing that's a steal

it's a 10 team league

you pick 6?

nope i was 8th

(serpentine draft)

gore at 8 should be strong, but last year I "lucked" into matt forte late and got killed

because he is suspened for 3 games and threatening to hold out the whole season

Doesn't seem fair that you can put a player on injured reserve if he isn't injured.

I was in three 14-team mock drafts this morning and I SUCKED. There's a strategy in drafting for a league this large, I'm sure, but I haven't zeroed in on it yet.

still doing my research and mostly hoping for the best

I spend way too much time worrying about my first pick and then just kinda shrug at the others.

i spend all my time going 'ok, who gonna be my kicker?' and then everything just flows from there

might not be able to livedraft, one of my bestfriends is in town

he has an iphone tho so maybe I can do it from that

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkADj0TPrJA

8pm on a holiday wkend
i may make some highly suspect picks
emphasis on highly

I meant this to start at 5pm! Did not realize it was Pacific Standard, thought it was EST!
Guess I can't very well move it up now...

huh yeah i originally wrote down that it was at 5est on my calendar. 8's fine tho w/e

Please do not start at 5 pm EST. That is a conflict for me.

same here!

is there a setting to make sure the computer instantly autodrafts for me if I can't make this?

It'll do that automatically if you aren't there

we'll do it at 8est

I did a mock auction draft yesterday and got bummed out that I never get to do auction drafts for real.

READY!

Hey that's my guy!
ILNFLers meet kevin; he is a good fellow

i'm point man on a bachelor party starting at 6:30 PST, might have to duck out early

14 man mock drafts are like torture

For real.

In the three mocks I did yesterday, I was 3rd, 7th, and 12th...and I didn't like my results from ANY of 'em.

14 team drafts are always torture - after doing 10-12 team leagues, you alway feel like your 14 member team sucks. Just be glad if the other teams suck MORE!

there's my first mock draft done. picked 13th and ended up with a nice team.

you know what i realized? looking at people who have posted in this thread, it's like a roll call of the dudes my team is gonna fuck up this year.

Is that smack talk?

Just checking.

Poor use of simile imo

half an hour to go. join me online for early bullshittin'.

tbh, my heart is only really in the last 8 words there

starting in one minute! Three of you are late!

am feelin byron and mike's teams. snrub surprisingly decent too.

My post-draft roster is a fucking mess:

QB - Kevin Kolb (PHI)
WR - Hines Ward (PIT)
WR - Malcom Floyd (SD)
WR - Mario Manningham (NYG)
RB - Rashard Mendenhall (PIT)
RB - DeAngelo Williams (CAR)
W/R/T - Jabar Gaffney (DEN)
TE - Jason Witten (DAL)

K - Lawrence Tynes (NYG)
DEF - PHI

IDP - Jon Beason (CAR)
IDP - D.J. Williams (DEN)
IDP - Karlos Dansby (MIA)

Bench...

QB - Sam Bradford (STL)
RB - Kevin Smith (DET)
IDP - Gary Brackett (IND)
DEF - OAK
TE - Kevin Boss (NYG)
WR - Jordy Nelson (GB)

2 v good RBs, decent WRs altho Hines was a reach that early. Kolb also a bit of gamble early. but your starters are generally good and you have a couple of potential breakouts on the bench.

I am cautiously happy with this.

QB - Matt Schaub
WR - Andre Johnson / Austin Collie
WR - Hakeem Nicks / Johnny Knox
WR - Jerricho Cotchery / Nate Burleson
RB - Ryan Grant / Brandon Jacobs
RB - Ricky Williams / Jerome Harrison / LaRod Stephens-Howling
TE - Visanthe Shiancoe / Heath Miller

K - Jeff Reed
DEF - Indy
IDPs - Barrett Ruud, Stephen Tulloch, Ray Lewis

I need a few pieces to fall together and for Houston to have a good year.

Can I just say that this rules everything around me:
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/6084

if ricky has a 2009 or jacobs has a 2008 you are in a great spot

yeah, i feel weakest at RB

Can I just say that this rules everything around me:

With him on my team I will be unstoppable.

i hope his middle name is actually just G.

I picked Hakeem Nicks over Jonathan Stewart and that was fucking stupid.

qb - arod
wr - brandon marshall / 85 / santana moss
rb - jahvid best, ronnie brown
te kellen winslow
w/r/t - uh devery henderson / bernard berrian
k - mason crosby
def - minnesota
d - david harris, jonathan vilma, jerod mayo
others - vincent jackson / toby gerhart / tim tebow / new england / clay matthews

should have paid more attention to flex

i hate to say it, but i suspect you are gonna struggle. rodgers will win you a few games on his own tho.

yeah I went w/ players I like

i was thinking brees or rodgers at #6 and i was totally thrown by them going 4 and 5, so i kinda panicked for the next QB on my list rather than noticing that ray rice was sitting there. he is guaranteed an outstanding season now.

qb: favre/vy
wr: austin/cribbs
wr: rice/britt
wr: tate/cruz
rb: forte/spiller
rb: leon washington/
wr/rb: dex mccluster
te: keller

def: cincy
d: willis, d. manning, mckelvin, sims, thorton

NO KICKER

QB (smdh): Jay Cutler, Alex Smith, Mark Sanchez
RB: Adrian Peterson, Jonathan Stewart, Thomas Jones, Laurence Maroney
WR: Larry Fitzgerald, Greg Jennings, Santonio Holmes
TE: Vernon Davis
W/R/T: Jacoby Jones, Ted Ginn
K: Matt Prater
DEF: Dallas, Miami
D: LaMarr Woodley, James Harrison, Stylez G White

I didn't know until afterwards that Kevin Smith was nursing knee surgery. That makes me unhappy, but maybe another RB will start to look good somewhere before I need to use him.

Kolb was probably a reach, but I was totally expecting Manning to fall to me at #13. Crazy early QB run fucked up my plans! Hines Ward overperforms from what I've noticed the past couple years, so I grabbed him a little earlier than I should've. Being in the 13th spot, you panic because once that #2 in the next round comes along you have a LONG wait before you get to go again.

At least I'm happy with my IDPs for the most part (wanted Yeremiah! wah.)

QB - Flacco
RB - Fred Jackson / Reggie Bush / Hightower / Tomlinson / Buckhalter
WR - Randy Moss / Reggie Wayne / S. Smith (Carolina) / Breaston / Laurent Robinson
FLX - Justin Forsett
TE - Z Miller
K - Rackers
D - whatever
IDP - Laurinaitus / Poluszny / Jared Allen

Followed my strategy, got what I was expecting (though I'm weaker at RB than I had hoped, but got a few players with PPR and kick return potential to make up some).

I did my part, now it's their turn to produce!

the computer drafted

...TWO kickers for me, jesus

QB UNSTOPPABLE ELI (took way too early)
RB Ray Rice
RB LeSean McCoy
WR Calvin J
WR Colston
WR Eddie Royal (return yds, lol)
TE Celek
WRT Flex Jones
D Pitt
IDP bunch of LBs

you never know the number of kickers a team needs

Dear god in heaven, autopick is AWFUL.

I love that first dip into the waivers pool each season. Now I feel like my team is INVINCIBLE (until Tuesday morning, when I find out otherwise).

SB'd poly for dropping Stylez G

I want to win though. :(

welp

qb: brady/palmer
rb: jones-drew/moreno/slaton/b. scott
wr: sims-walker/dez bryant/hester/massaquoi/benn
te: gates/fasano
k: lindell/scobee
def: NYJ
IDP: d. barber/briggs/ware

just took flyers on chambers and westbrook off of the waiver wire

nice lineup but light on receivers.
We should talk trade

Thursday can't get here soon enough - start the season already!

GODDAMN Arian Foster was worth 53.07 fantasy points.

now if he can just average that from here on out i should be ok

Can't believe I'm saying this, but "I should've started Sam Bradford."

U SUCK KOLB I HAT3 U

arian nation

what is wrong with chris johnson's voice?? have i somehow never heard him speak before or is he ill?

Oh fuck me. Kevin Kolb is out with a concussion after not even scoring me two fantasy points.

Well, at least he can't take points AWAY now.

Guys, the Browns lost and they should've won by thirty!!!!

Also, my team sucks.

You need to grab some new idps, Snrub.

how worried should i be about ryan grant right now?

Snrub's gonna come back and beat me (I think!). DAMN U KOLB AND YOUR JELLO 4 BRAINS.

I am pretty close to winning if Thomas Jones or Arenas can get something in the last few minutes.

I am pretty close to winning if Thomas Jones or Arenas doesn't get something in the last few minutes

Les Savy Favre
132.55

fuck you santa clara
133.79

Good game, iatee!

wow, close!

nail biting! if rivers got that you'd have got another jones run.

Or an Arenas kickoff!

Snrub beat me, so I'm going to get a friend in Philly to slash Kolb's tires.

you have nobody to blame but yourself for starting kolb

I would trade a receiver for a running back, hypothetically.

teabagged by balls

you have nobody to blame but yourself for starting kolb

True. I went heavy on RBs and skimped at QB. But an Andy Reid starting QB should at least get double digits in fantasy, unless he's a dumb schlub like Kolb apparently is.

13. Jonathan Stewart (Car - RB) Les Savy Favre
14. Arian Foster (Hou - RB) balls

:(

Don't be sad yet. Be sad if/when Foster does that 8 out of 16 games this season.

p.s. I don't think that will happen.

hey how was the waiver order structured here? kinda assumed i wouldve had the highest priority cuz i had the last pick in the 1st rd?

ahh, i see Waiver Type: Reverse order of standings ok n/m im cool w/ that i guess. then it resets every week? nutso

and i see forks mentions it upthread

p.s. I don't think that will happen.

He looked monstrous though.

sooooooo pissed that kevin snapped up Brandon Jackson; would rather have lost this week and got him
so much for my number one pick, ryan grant out for the year

waiver wire is structured to keep everybody engaged through the season; even if you're at the bottom of the rankings, you can beef up for next week and possibly win

yea is kinda perverse but interesting. say you were pretty much guaranteed 2 lose ur matchup going into the sunday night or monday games this wk, it wouldve prob been smart strategery to bench any more dudes u have in order to get that #1 waiver

*strokes beard*

o_O

i snatched up three receivers this week since 2 of the 3 i started got me zero points and the other two (in the 3rd WR slot and the w/r/t slot) got me a total of 8 or 9 pts.

Maybe we should talk trade tofu?

mmmmmmm, whatcha looking for?

What I need, you ain't got!

grumble

This is what it sounds like, when tofu cries.

that's thunder

I hate this league.

This is the second week in a row I should've started Sam Bradford. Instead, I went after old man Hasselback in free agency. Blech.

^so it was you who Hasselback from me on waivers. Thankfully Cassel was there for me (5.54 points today)

*stole

When rookie safety TJ Ward is your high scorer you know your team is in trouble.

Be glad you didn't get him. I'm dropping him asap.

Oh, I just noticed he scored a td. A whimpering hooray, I guess.

so far my decision to draft jahvid best in both fantasy leagues has been...a good decision

Hasselbeck earning his keep...finally.

if PYTY throws 4 tds to addai i am still in this game.

kebya I logged on to delete that trade offer because I decided it was offensive but you already declined it. lol

Savy - I threw some trade ideas out there as well, but it's too early for any of us to panic. Lotsa football ahead (and I don't play balls every week!).

It's kind of weird that the last place team not only has the first waiver spot but continues to have it even if he or she makes a waiver claim! Not complaining, just think it's wacky.

1st waiver claim is the only thing I have in this life

1st pick on the waivers fills ALL their waiver requests, then next guy and so forth. It's yahoo's default system apparently.
I missed out on four guys, so yeah it's frustrating to me too.

Yes, that waiver system was a surprise to me as well - I was expecting last place to get their first waiver choice (not ALL their waiver choices). In one way, I guess it's good to be bad (I'm currently bad, just not bad enough).

In any case, the reason I did reverse waiver picks from standings was to keep the potentials for upsets coming... didn't want ALL the picks tho. Let me see if i can fix that for next week.

Short of limiting the number of weekly transactions, there doesn't seem to be a way to alter the waiver policy.

i kinda like the waiver policy even if it means i will never get close to yr snellings, etc

It might stop you from getting your fifth QB.

forks

http://x58.xanga.com/a821143233035244971397/b179149142.gif

as much because i got zero RB depth as not believing in hakeem yet

lol

forks hit me with the same trade right when Ryan Matthews is out next weekend

I could be 0-14 easy this year

He tried it on me too, and Mendenhall is really the only good player I have.

nice try forks

http://www.stuckinthe80s.com/image.php?productid=17041

guess i'll have to content myself with my #2 position.

http://wonkette.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/never-forget-wonkette.gif

I was just combing through free agency for ANY bright spots, and there are none. Also, why does balls need that many qbs?!

This team defense scoring is bullshit, btw.

close game, c'mon hobbs

what choo talkin 'bout Hillis!

On my way to my first victory unless the goddamn Packers intercept Cutler

... uh oh

"This team defense scoring is bullshit, btw."

... you waited till the third game of the season to mention this?

I didn't even notice until now because I'd never been at a point where my defense was taking 7 points away from my total. I ended up -3.00 today, so it's not as bad as it could've been, but still...that's some crap.

oh, the negative points? I like that; generally picking a defense is like picking a tight end in that you just hope they kick in. With the scoring like this, you actually have to make sure your D doesn't sting you, which means you may have to switch them out occasionally.

Hey, you guys don't think Donald Driver will get less than 0.06 points tomorrow night, do you? That's the only way I can get my first win.

he could get injured?

dislike defense scoring

forks cheats. He tricked me into drafting shitty players. Last time I fall for that!

The only thing keeping me in this league is the waiver order. I hope against hope that I'll get someone good each week, but it hasn't paid off yet.

I went with the wrong crap quarterback today fo'sho.

Bradford ~27 points
Hasselbeck ~6 points (my starter)

mike sims-walker is just the worst

instant karma might get me this week

It's good to see balls drop!

he got like 46 points off foster anyway!

hmmm need 10 points from randy moss to stay undefeated in small league
2 awful weeks in a row in big league

I would bet on 10 from Moss.

Bear Alert has two players on the bye as starters and they could still beat me with 10 points from Welker.

3 point lead going into tonight isn't much, but I like my chances to hang on.

I could have sworn that I needed 10 points from randy moss but apparently i need 1 point?? which I still haven't got

You might have gotten a bunch of adjustments since yesterday. A lot of offensive players making tackles on turnovers don't get credited until the next day.

oh that makes sense...always played minimalist fantasy before this league

that effect seems potentially very frustrating

go go gostkowski

man there is a decent chance moss will get 0 yards today

wow, it happened.

pretty tragic

My objective now is to actually go winless.

Not really, but I bet I could do it even with a full roster every week.

weird scoring

jake delhomme isn't playing and has points

Vinatieri's the only Colt worth a damn this week.

I don't have any business being close this week with WR totals of 0.78, 0.78, 0.70 and 7.27, but somehow I still have a chance.

scuttled by matt schaub and losing with 130+ pts. bleh.

I might get my first win this week! I need three variables to not work well, though (Vernon Davis, Mark Sanchez and Adrian Peterson). I've got a 55 pt cushion.

got waxed by Arizona's defense wtf

I don't have any business being close this week with WR totals of 0.78, 0.78, 0.70 and 7.27, but somehow I still have a chance.

that's called the magic of playing me.

I believe in magic. Come on, Gore!

considering the ridic defensive scoring I might regret starting minnesota

I am having some terrible weeks.

ehh...Sam Bradford just became a lot less valuable to me now on my already dire team because Mark Clayton is now out for the season. I'm writing this year off.

Since I got a -9 from St. Louis DEF this week (they were top 8 up to this week), I think I'm going to stop playing defenses and take my zero points like a man!

mark clayton was sadly my best receiver, which is to say he was hovering just above the waiver wire mendoza line.

forks is a sadist. 14 teams leagues should henceforth be outlawed.

Clearly it is possible to put together good teams, since forks and balls have good teams.

forks only has the third best team if you go by points scored

I mean looking at the numbers it's still relatively close except for balls

I have both the jets and the vikings defenses starting in each of the ilx leagues, so I'm hoping for some interception-fest. pretty sure I shouldn't have started minnesota.

I think there are at least five or seven solid teams in this league that could beat or lose to anyone right now. I've consistently placed about fourth or fifth total in the league week in and week out and I've just been lucky so far to match up against the right people. If Schaub doesn't get it together, I'm in trouble.
The secret seems to be to find guys who are consistent. not even great, just consistent.

Pay no mind to me. I'm just bitter because I haven't shown this poorly since my rookie year.

the other secret is to draft first and then pick up arian foster on waivers

or just draft arian foster like me!

Yes, I have a lot to learn about 14 team leagues, especially with 'kitchen sink' scoring. With all these ways to score points (btw - did Brandon Jacob earn some sort of points in our system for tossing his helmet in the stands?), I still don't have a feel for what a #1 RB or #2 RB should be earning each week. I'll get there, probably by week 13.

And let's not forget the "Quote of the Year" from this list, courtesy Forked:

I picked Hakeem Nicks over Jonathan Stewart and that was fucking stupid.

― this isn't STRAWBERRY 0_o it's RAWBERRY (forksclovetofu), Saturday, September 4, 2010 9:41 PM (1 month ago) Bookmark

I will trade Jonathan Stewart for two (2) popcorn kernels.

i think i offered Hakeem for Jonathan and was declined!
I'm doing pretty well by making LaRod Stephens Howling my every week RB2 so go figure

We can revisit the trade!

and i retract the arian wavers note; I thought you got him after the draft

I think we can all agree that any Panthers player who's not on defense has been completely worthless fantasy-wise this year. I took fucking Deangelo with my #1. D'oh!

Revisiting my draft:
1. (8) Andre Johnson (Hou - WR)
2. (21) Ryan Grant (GB - RB)
3. (36) Matt Schaub (Hou - QB)
4. (49) Hakeem Nicks (NYG - WR)
5. (64) Jerome Harrison (Cle - RB)
6. (77) Johnny Knox (Chi - WR)
7. (92) Ricky Williams (Mia - RB)
8. (105) Barrett Ruud (TB - LB)
9. (120) Visanthe Shiancoe (Min - TE)
10. (133) Austin Collie (Ind - WR)
11. (148) Brandon Jacobs (NYG - RB)
12. (161) Jerricho Cotchery (NYJ - WR)
13. (176) Heath Miller (Pit - TE)
14. (189) Stephen Tulloch (Ten - LB)
15. (204) Ray Lewis (Bal - LB)
16. (217) Indianapolis (Ind - DEF)
17. (232) Jeff Reed (Pit - K)
18. (245) Nate Burleson (Det - WR)
19. (260) LaRod Stephens-Howling (Ari - RB)

Johnson's had a shitty season thus far, Grant's out after the first half of week one, Harrison is garbage, Knox has looked great WHEN THEY GET HIM THE BALL, Jacobs is donating his helmet to the crowd and Cottchery is MIA. Good calls on Nicks and Collie... but Barret Ruud in round 8? wtf

I'm still leading by 37 points going into tonight, but Les Savy Favre has Adrian Peterson and Mark Sanchez. I'm by no means comfortable atm.

knew I shouldn't have started vikings def

oh well, owning the small league

Welp, I caught iatee in this league, but Percy Harvin's big game sank me in the small one. xpost!

22 points allowed = -2 is ridic

that jets defense TD saved me in the end

christ, 203 points...

Wow, I actually won! How 'bout that?

I finally won a game!

Thanks for the mercy trade, kebya!

Not mercy - I need a solid Def, it's been killing me all season, it's worth it to me!

I finally won a game!

Now we are tied for last!

I would've won if I'd started Alex Smith instead of Mark Sanchez, haha.

i have now missed SIX waiver wire pick ups because someone chose in front of me THIS WEEK
my system sucks

i am pretending all the P's and Q' on my team mean pretty good and quite good.

Did I get any of them? xp

probably.

Nice...vulturedown from Ladell Betts.

All four 4-1 teams lost. Chaos!

they have this thing now - monday night football. worth a look.

Why do I keep doing that. lol

i wish you were right

aw man, i was right there

chris johnson found that sweet spot where he could beat me in this league but not save me in $ league

argh at desmond bishop touchdown
now i need a touchdown from Nicks
at least

I need Mario Manningham to score about 4 TDs for about 250 yrds receiving and then MAYBE I can win. Sucks too, because this is one of the best performing weeks I've had so far, but I was up against balls.

I need Hatcat to have a big game and not give it Barber very much.

gaaaaaahhhh

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omg, did I actually hold a 1 point lead for almost that whole game?

I just noticed that Snrub dropped the Cleveland defense for this past weekend. Har har!

I have 9 players on a bye week coming up. My backup QB's are Jake Delhomme and Shaun Hill.

And I got beat by PEACE with a team he cobbled together from waivers. Embarrassing.

yeah, i was lucky to be able to pick up a couple of players who should never have been available in a league this deep.

I'd like to thank Toyota for the Greatest Victor award.

So - a late adjustment in the scoring gives BEAR ALERT a win last week (sorry Stooges), and give me sole possession of the 2-5 slot.

what the god damn fuck

congratufucklations

i dont really understand the point of the opponents score column other than conveying that ppl are running up the damn score on me..and now i get 2 play balls this wk o_O

I was staring at my pathetic team, specifically at the woeful numbers of Larry Fitzgerald, and decided to see who exactly ARE the point leaders among wide receivers so far. They are:

1. Percy Harvin (101.3 points)
2. Hakeem Nicks
3. Roddy White
4. Austin Collie
5. Jeremy Maclin
6. Kenny Britt
7. Brandon Lloyd
8. Anquan Boldin
9. DeSean Jackson
10. Brandon Tate (70.00 points)

Special congratulations to Forks, who has three of them.

You also might be wondering how many of them are in the top 15 in the W/R/T rankings?

None of them. The top 16 W/R/T players are all running backs. Also, none of those 16 players has even 1 return yard.

Wasn't it semi-gospel that this was the year to not pick running backs because of all the RB-by-committee situations? That seems incorrect so far.

This is the season for completely unpredictable football, so I'm not surprised it has crossed over into fantasy.

i got lucky with wr, no doubt.
i was THIS close to kenny britt

i tell ya, picking through waiver wires scraps each week after everybody else has cleaned the good stuff out makes the good picks feel REALLY good.
i am proud of snagging brandon pettigrew (i think he has a great 2nd half of the season), Lawfirm (who was weirdly discarded!), Mike Tolbert (a week before he blossomed and yes i know he is only a td vulture now), james anderson (quality idps get you into the playoffs) and (i'm hoping) Anthony Gonzalez

dudes i need a little advice

usual starting WRs are Roddy White/Randy Moss

White is on bye...

picked up Patrick Crayton and Kenny Britt off waivers...

so:

Moss/Crayton

Moss/Britt

OR...in light of the vikes sucking and http://images.chron.com/blogs/askacat/hatcat.JPG maybe not playing...

Britt/Crayton??

loololol

matt, the early reports are that crayton is the only uninjured starting wideout for the chargers; legadu and floyd are banged up and gates is too. they're likely gonna put a bench guy out opposite crayton and the titans will put finnegan on him and then double team as often as they put pressure on rivers. i'd go with britt and moss.

thx mang!

Of course Ryan Fitzpatrick chooses to lay off from being awesome the week I get him off waivers and start him for my team. : /

YES! I get win #2!!!

(sorry iatee)

:(

it's okay I've given up on the big league anyway, more bummed about losing in the small league

well i'm losing this week

if i get a good schaub-to-johnson week, i could get the high man of the week award

sadface to matt as britt, crayton and moss combine for 5 catches for 54 yards

things i am giving up on this week: jonathon fucking stewart, minn viqueens defense

You don't have J Stew in this league though.

i feel his shitty presence everywhere

my team is doomed as fuck --

3 rbs on bye
two backups, one of whom is likely not going to play
TE is 50/50
2 WRs look to be questionable

my gambles have failed!

I stopped caring when I got fucked out of a win two days after the games were played.

i'm just aiming for the playoffs at this point, taking a few chances and trying to sneak in with nothing but #3 guys at WR, hoping that my rice/jackson investments pay off in the end. i'm guessing "no".

WmC what happened there? Was it a tackling thing?

you're playing me so you've always got a chance. it's feast or famine for Boston Massaquoi

xpost to omar

yeah esp now that sims-walker has a bye, lol ;_;

yes, late points awarded for a tackle. I won by less than a point...a couple of days later I had lost by less than a point.

but it's not something that you think should be changed, it's just frustrating? It's on the up and up?

I fumed about it for 20 minutes and then realized I didn't even care whether it was on the up and up or not. Never bothered to check. I'm sure it's legit.

then realized I didn't even care whether it was on the up and up or not.

that's when I realized I'm probably done with fantasy sports -- my time is better spent improving my poker game.

brownie is stomping fools today!

i got busted by collie going down and the fuckin' texans again

:)

Playoffs!

i am not a fool!

well maybe.

ah well. fair won kevin.

though if i had played johnny knox or mike goodson instead of lawfirm and collie, i'd have it won!

so it looks like there's a strong chance of three 6-3 teams followed by five 5-4 teams going into next weekend. parity!

I'll still have a losing record on Tuesday, but my trades/waivers pick-ups are coming on strong midseason. Hooray!

good game between peace be upon muhsin and les savy favre, which has basically come down to james harrison vs jordan shipley tomorrow night.

mushin, rather

James Harrison vs. Jordan Shipley for the win in my matchup tonight. WHO YA GOT.

Forked - the pathetic NE offense didn't help you either. And I beat you in the battle of stud receivers: Steve Smith/Car at .85 over Austin Collie at .18 (though in fairness, Steve Smith wasn't injured and had an entire game to get his .85 points).

Oh I see omar already pointed out my Shipley/Harrison thing. I should really read before I post.

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packers defense bitch slapped my $ team like I was wayne phillips, smh

slapped so hard i'm forgetting names

James Harrison vs. Jordan Shipley

if i was going into this with a lead i could believe that Cincy will have the ball so little that Harrison would get 0 points. but as it is i am p much screwed here. fuckin san diego D, when will i remember to drop you.

At least you didn't start the Seattle D!

James Harrison literally just won the game for me with a hit on Jordan Shipley.

o dam! I'm just .2 points behind brownie. My dudes had a good week.

Since changing my name, I've won two straight! 5-4 baby! Huzzah!

Only three games separating first place and last place. Parity reigns.

Head's up: y'all undoubtably know is that there is a Thursday game this week. What may not be clear (though it is in the league rules and Yahoo rules) is that all players go on waivers effective the first game of the week. Which is today. Like now. Correct me if I'm wrong Commish - I tried to pickup a recently-dropped player only to find out that he wasn't off waivers until next Tuesday.

This is a public service announcement from HeHateMeTM, who is still in it to win it, but on a level playing field.

huh, i think you're right kevin.
everybody get yer rosters ready! and make your survival/pick em picks too!

pick'em is tough this week

Fever, don't you wish you'd actually needed Vick to go off like this to get the win? 50 pts before halftime, omg.

Fever, I will trade you David Garrard for Michael Vick, what do you say

holeeeeee shit
also: i cannot catch a break lately

Who gave Vick to me, anyway? I don't remember who that trade was with, but THANK YOU.

kevin, yer getting called out

I just looked up the trade: I got Michael Vick and Mike Williams for Malcom Floyd and Hines Ward.

<3 u balls.

He's currently worth 64.43 pts to me, and it's still Q3.

317 yds passing, 80 yds rushing, 6 total tds

And you didn't need any of it!

all i needed was weakass ryan torain to show up

And you didn't need any of it!

I know. That's what hurts the most.

Will this night never end!!!

This gecko-fucking lady gives me the crepes.

65.32

uggg tough one, need help:

moss or manningham??

moss has been a disaster this year but i love the matchup....but giant could be in a footrace with eagles and having to throw it up....shit i feel like whatever i choose will be wrong.

manningham

I'm bein' steamrolled - congrats Savy!

Holy shit, I didn't even realize until just now! Guess that's what happens when you sleep through the morning games!

I clearly used up all my Vick mojo last week.

Boston Massaqoired me.

some of my best work

I think balls is going to eliminate me from playoff contention this weekend. :/

i hope so!

stooges, not acceptable

Gotta set your lineup even if you're eliminated imo

not sure if it was non-interest or just godawful players (Orton = .18, NO defense = -4, holy mackeral). either way Jason Garrett is taking over

sorry you guys, I forgot -- in my defense, I just checked and my optimal lineup would have had a whopping 50-something points

really glad i held on to sidney rice for ten weeks~

ditto for austin collie.
tho losing tonight means that i only lose homefield advantage so

Thanks guys for letting me play in your sandbox, been a pleasure. Too bad my team (and my coaching) couldn't get it done!

unlike my teams ol' grey dicked namesake, we've bowed out gracefully

good luck to the playoffees!

amazing parity here; 2 games separated #1 from #11

I came so close to making it in after I thought I was going to lose every game a few weeks ago. That's my own victory.

Goddamnit, I have to beat balls twice in a row to advance? I don't think that's gonna happen.

Holy shit, the top seeds are all 8-5 and and the bottom seeds are all 7-6! Weird!

the playoffs are gonna be good~

i'm nervous

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It will be tough, but I will

http://blog.beliefnet.com/freshliving/hanginthere.jpg

http://i752.photobucket.com/albums/xx169/sharma33618/good_luck_orkut_scraps/gl4.gif

this is what the actual playoffs are gonna be like ain't it

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made it in by less then a point? :O

this IS like the nfl, NO GREAT TEAMS, except balls who I think will slap everyone in the face

my team's limping into the playoffs! btw i still like the waiver system - clearly it 'worked' or whatever but i swear i think i had last or next to last waiver priority the entire season and man did that get frustrating down the stretch. loved the deep league. only thing i would consider tweaking before next is maybe the team def scoring, i'm not sure how exactly - the way it's set up now makes sense to me on the face of it but in practice it seemed off, like there were weeks when it not fielding any team def at all was an attractive option - risking real likelihood of neg points vs possibility of 3-5 points. another thing i would suggest trying, and i don't know if yahoo or espn can even let you set it up this way, is having more idp's - say two db spots, two linebacker spots, two defensive linemen spots. big ups to forks for the good job he's done. good job forks.

how in the holy fuck did i make the playoffs?

I want this written on my tombstone:
MR. SNRUB: MADE THE ILX FANTASY FOOTBALL PLAYOFFS WITH COURTNEY ROBY, BRAD SMITH, AND NATE BURLESON AS HIS WIDE RECEIVERS

thanks big b. i think the answer to the team defense problem is just to roll back the points allowed bonuses and negatives so that you only get a negative if it's a legit blowout. but yeah, i also think the waiver system "worked" although i felt like i got fucked left and right. kept things competitive though!

Having been dead last for half the season, I loved the waiver order. It allowed me to only climb up to #11, but I had a great time doing it.

lamest stat has to be the points for carries. 30 carries for 50 yds should not be a gold mine imo.

I never would have made the playoffs without the waivers. I worked that shit HARD.

Who do you pick to win?League Votes: 2/14

Tebow the Letter (8-5-0)

50%1 vote

Voted for Tebow the Letter

* Tebow the Letter (Your Pick)

Forked In the Back (7-6-0)

50%1 vote

Voted for Forked In the Back

* Forked In the Back

^____^

Little mindgamery

sigh. oh well. i guess i can go back to watching games just for fun?
NO I CAN'T

Trust me Forks - it's not as much fun. (keyba from the sidelines)

i got a little too goddamn cute and subbed in the denver defense, Josh Freeman and James Starks and ALL those gambles failed.

My team couldn't handle that much balls.

brownie and bnw having an epic showdown tonight!

brownie and me. derrick mason needs 2 more points to win it for brownie. no need for baltimore to throw the ball any more surely...

Well, that was fun. See you next year, ILX!

arrrgh

so close.

oop, sorry spiralli.

i look forward to our upcoming showdown.

it was kinda criminal that i beat brownie. gonna git whupped in the next round.

i've launched an investigation and i think i can a federal injuction against ILNFL

by far my best points showing all year, fully expect regression to the mean. Imagine if deeznuts had been in our league and played balls. Truly epic.

5th seed vs. 7th seed for the title.

hey maw i'm in the final!

ME AND YOU BUB, 7-6 powerhouse showdown

oh hey, i see you outscored me by an average of 45 points/game through the playoffs. this should be jolly.

**B SPIRALS 2 FINALS 0 WINS TOUR XMAS 2010**

mccoy + akers + some d guy vs harvin and 20 some pts

that offsides call on Colston's td last night may be the decider >:[

i won't lie, i was delighted by that td getting scrubbed. i am guessing this comes down to approx Harvin+5pts vs McCoy. you know McCoy will get a respectable total, but Harvin has been kind of all or nothing, and it's real hard to get excited about Minnesota in this game. my best hope barring injury is that Philly scores a ton in the air and Percy makes his points outta return yards. which unfortunately would nuke me in the other game. at this point i would glad take either, still p worried about getting neither.

w00t 7th seed wins! if it is any consolation bnw this is like the rams winning the super bowl. a great day for fantasy football.

yaaaaaaaaaaaaaay me

the two major changes i'd make for next year:
- points per carry would be .25 not .5; RBs put up ridiculous number cuz of this. I like leaving PPR at .5 tho
- Defenses don't get penalized negative points for high scoring games

otherwise, i'm pretty happy with the ground rules. any other major requests for next year?

ha, congrats! glad it was at least close enough to make tonight's interesting. good season, weird scoring, see you at training camp.

xpost I would nix points per carry and maybe tone down return yards. Probably nix pass attempts too. OTOH it's a non-money/fun league so maybe weird stats keep things intersting.

any other major requests for next year?

Consolation games for the saps who don't make the playoffs.

no consolation games! actually i don't care. maybe expanded playoff w/ byes for top 2 seeds? also can draft order be decided beforehand? if so maybe reverse order of finish and any new teams pick after that? or we switch to auction? has anyone here done auction? i've never done it - i have to be honest i'm not sure i grasp it - but the espn guys are always raving about it. i could see neg points for team def on high scoring game, but legitimately a high scoring game, not like 'you gave up 3 tds'. maybe give up 0-20 points: you get points, 21-31 points: you get no points, >31 points: you get neg points. maybe the easiest way to set a mark is look at the bottom four or five defenses, see how many avg ppg they gave up and if you surpass that you get neg points.

Auction is fantastic but I've never done it for football.

bye for top seeds is a good call

Auction is fun, but part of the fun is getting everyone in the same room (screaming). Never done an auction online, but it's worth a try. Defense - I'm used to defenses having a 20 point range from best to worst (20pt for giving up 0, no points for total fiasco), so it was just getting used to our 20pt range being +10 to -10; scoring zero is an average defensive game. What was a surprise for me is not crediting (or penalizing) defenses for yardage given up. But I've learned a bit this year about PPR and IDP this year, so I'll be ready for 2011! And byes for top seeds is great - current system only gives you a seeding advantage for winning regular season (which doesn't mean much in a balanced league, as GORAMS and PEACE proved).

kebya, i hope you stick around on ilnfl for the playoffs and the general discussion.
no need to lurk just on this thread!

not a lurker, though it appears the playoffs will be boring since it appears my Bills won't make it (wink).