12-13 ncaa football thread

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http://www.newschannel5.com/story/17379704/bobby-petrino-fired-as-head-coach-of-arkansas-football

FAYETTEVILLE, Ark. (CBS/AP)- Arkansas has fired Bobby Petrino, saying he "knowingly misled" and engaged in reckless behavior in a relationship with a female football employee half his age.

Ive hated that guy ever since he did the Falcons, he is total scum.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/bcs-takes-big-step-toward-185126355--ncaaf.html

weird story

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/recruiting/football/story/_/id/7892108/ohio-state-recruit-decommits-convicted-sex-offender-posted-photo-internet-junior-linebacker

FAREWELL HONEYBADGER

http://www.lsusports.net/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=5200&ATCLID=205576641

BATON ROUGE -- Tyrann Mathieu has been dismissed from the LSU football team for violation of team policy, head coach Les Miles announced on Friday.

"This is a very difficult day for our team," Miles said. "We lose a quality person, teammate and contributor to the program. However, with that being said, we have a standard that our players are held to and when that standard is not met, there are consequences.

"It's hard because we all love Tyrann. We will do what we can as coaches, teammates, and friends to get him on a path where he can have success. We are going to miss him."

Mathieu, a finalist for the Heisman Trophy and the nation's top defensive player a year ago, played in 26 games for the Tigers during his two years, racking up 133 total tackles, 16.0 tackles for loss and four interceptions. He also forced 11 fumbles, which ranks first in school history and seventh in NCAA history, to go with eight fumble recoveries.

Mathieu scored four touchdowns for the Tigers, two on punt returns and two on fumble returns.

damn, crazy...lsu has standards?

Yeah, who knew!

What will Brent Musburger talk about now?

The celebrations in Tuscaloosa and Athens are only just wnding down.

ESPN schedule:

http://espnmediazone.com/us/press-releases/2012/08/espn-2012-college-football-game-schedule/

sicc run by le'veon

turnovers abound

sparty RESURGENT

lol I just heard that at some point Urban Meyer said his current Ohio State qb is the best qb he's ever had.

i think he said he was the most athletic player he's ever coached

Penn State blew a first half lead, apparently. The lean years begin TODAY.

ugh the cal ohio state game is not gonna be pretty

Canes look pretty deece.

Bowling Green blew so many chances today. At one point they just ran all over Florida, made them look bad. Then their kicker steps up and shanks 30 yarders.

anyway, good luck Michigan u will need it

didn't think it would be this bad

wau to the max

Much more anti-Michigan content in my feeds than Friday night's pro-MSU content. That's interesting.

(Didn't attend either school. Would happy support both schools but the nonstop smack talk [often between ppl who went to community colleges and MAC schools] is tiresome.)

oregon's helmets today are next level, even by their own standards

bama's tj yeldon looks like one of the best RBs i've seen in a while

i would've been so heartbroken had chip kelly left for the NFL

bama's tj yeldon looks like one of the best RBs i've seen in a while

Yeah, that kid is dope as fuck. Totally different style of rb compared to everyone else in the Saban era. Looking forward to seeing more from him.

lol i hadnt realized that texas state (in its first ever d1 game and as a 36 pt underdog!) beat houston last wk, 30-13

lol even more @ then UHs OC quit 2 days later

haha

a bet on Texas State paid out 120-1.

only seven underdogs of that point spread or more in the past 32 years have won

Mississippi State has a hashtag (#hailstate) painted in one of their endzones today. ugh.

jesus christ 2 cart offs in this ark/ul-monroe game in like 15 mins ?

also a dude on tulane almost died on the field

kinda cant take football rite now, will stick 2 tennis & beisbol

i guess if ark is really gonna lose ill watch

crazy int

kinda not thrilled with a person in my life who's a hardcore razorbacks fan so i'm suddenly interested in this stupid game

LOL @ ARK

nice play by the qb!

lol at the first guy congratulating the coach being a state trooper

bring back bobby p

Man, I could watch Arkansas lose all day every day. It makes me happy.

Canes look pretty deece.

― Johnny Fever, Saturday, September 1, 2012 6:21 PM (1 week ago)

What a difference a week makes.

peace 2 arkansas

unlv w/ 3 straight 15 yd penalties to begin a game is p cool

peace 2 arkansas

Tyler Wilson out for tomorrow's game.

lolololololol

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/recruiting/football/story/_/id/8380733/oregon-recruit-thomas-tyner-rushes-644-yards-10-touchdowns

Cal giving Ohio State a game

ughhhh we shoulda won this

tedford kicking that third FG on 4th and 1 was a fireable offense IMO

aside from the fact that the kicker had zero shot of making that FG, did he really think that cal was going to win by 3 points? i didn't even care about that game and i was still incredibly aggravated by that

he's a very, very conservative coach, three 4th down attempts in a game just weren't gonna come out of him. but there was no way we were gonna make that kick.

yeah. i mean a lot of coaches would have done it too. it's just nonsensical. if you've already given up 28 points, you probably shouldn't be playing to win by 3 with 4 minutes left

I feel like the decision woulda made sense in the nfl against a team w/ a moderate-to-bad offense, but when you have a shitty kicker, totally indefensible

coaches making mathematically shitty decisions is my least favorite thing about football

Imagine being me and your two coaches are tedford and norv

there needs to be some moneyball nerd for each team w/ a calculator whispering into each coach's ear

and if you lose, you can blame nerds. win-win.

Cal kicking game has been brutal since Longwell graduated but this might be all time low

lets have an italian guy join our american football team, what could go wrong

on the positive side, our offense played pretty well against a real team? bigelow might be a new hope for our run game? tho you don't want to base too much on 4 carries. and I think maynard is probably our best qb since aaron rodgers, which is saying absolutely nothing.

It's amazing to me that Maynard started the first game on the bench

he's not a tedford-style qb, but our tedford-style qbs have all sucked

Arkansas. Ouch.

louisville/unc O_O

Guys I just realized this USC/Stanford game that will almost certainly include several more big scoring plays such as that last one is being called by Gus Johnson. I feel like we have a shot at three hours of high-quality Gus here.

Stanford-USC is the bomb

lol at usc

even if they somehow escape here, oregon is gonna drop it on them

the new Stanford QB has serious stones

if i was a USC fan i'd be borderline suicidal right now

Stanford's D looks great, really physical

@PreSnapRead
Worst BCS conf teams of last decade: 05 Duke, 02 Rutgers, 06 Stan, etc. Colorado looks worse than 'em all. Hard to even describe.

usc having two good skill players kinda coming back to bite them

they looked like crap last week

Colorado's football program is a black hole.

Stanford is just so BALLSY

RIP USC

barkley has gotten murdered all game

the Stanford secondary has laid a big hit on every catch across the middle, it seems like

man I'm not sure this is overturnable

owwww

that was totally a catch

why does lane keep putting barkley under center? does that make any sense?

i've never seen anything like this

oh my god this left tackle

this is like watching a video game glitch

seriously in like ncaa 08 you could blitz your safety off the edge and run by the OT and get 8 sacks a game. that's what i feel like i'm watching.

After the first 5 or 10 minutes of that game I would not have guessed USC would not score at all in the second half.

USC's offensive line must be terrible, but Stanford must have a great D too

USC's offensive line must be terrible, but Stanford must have a great D too

― Matt Armstrong, Saturday, September 15, 2012 11:24 PM (4 seconds ago) Bookmark

yeah but i mean, that was historically bad pass pro

enjoy your extra year of school, matt barkley

crazy the whole SC dream died so quickly

Between USC losing and UCLA starting very well against Houston, I am having a pretty awesome college football night here.

they hadn't looked good all year, either. just a really thin team with some good playmakers but....

i mean it's crazy that last year when SC played stanford, SC wasn't even ranked! maybe this was all a bit hasty

Also it has been pointed out on the Twitters that Stanford gave up fewer points to USC than they did to San Jose State (and also scored fewer points vs SJSU)

i'm surprised they even scored twice tbh.

also not being able to kick FGs probably didn't help

granted sc was missing their starting center, and backup center, and played with a 3rd stringer the whole game, but STILL. barkley wasn't in the shotgun because his 3-step drop was more manageable than corralling hobbi's terrible shotgun snaps. what a terrible game. usc's d-line was supposed to be their weak point, and they were playing fine (until the end, but who could blame them after all those 3 and outs)... but goddamn the o-line is horrendous. oh well, at least i'll probably get to see them in a bowl this year.

SC could totally still play in the national title

the thing about wanting to lose early is def a truism.

they ain't beating oregon twice, but just theoretically speaking.

the turning point was that shitty fake field goal. with woods, lee, agholor, and two good tight ends, and they throw a hail mary to the fullback on the least convincing fake fg ever? just call a pass play with an empty backfield for fuck's sake.

and no, i'm worried about them beating arizona state once, utah once, etc. before even thinking about the pac-12 championship. plus, some team from the big 12 will have 1 loss and go to the nc game this year like they do most years. pac-12 has to be undefeated to have a team go.

i'm a big kiffin believer but he was bad tonight.

USC def has some amazing players but they're just paper thin. nothing can go wrong. i mean, i was just thinking tonight that kiffin is insane for having marquis lee return kicks. could you imagine if he had to miss any time? let alone cuz he got hurt returning kicks.

i agree, although having robey return punts is worse. he's more valuable than anyone on offense save for barkley - in this game, he was maybe challenged twice, and he came up with deflections both times. hobbi will get all the criticism from tonight, since he was legitimately terrible, but marcus martin and john martinez were whiffing all night long, and they're veteran starters. it's not even a being thin issue, it's a 'matt kalil was so dominant he made the entire line look better' issue.

my asshole ex-boss was at the game sending me shit talk texts to throw salt in the wound. YOU WENT TO UC DAVIS YOU FUCKIN WANNABE.

lol Utes get a retry because the crowd rushed the field of play.

BYU gets a retry, I mean.

Hits upright. Crowd raids the field of play for a third time.

Can't believe they still let crowds onto the field. Somebody gonna get killed out there one day.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-yZlCfXLa8

haha

Petrino at that press conference in that neck brace is the greatest thing ever

There's a great player on LSU whose name is

Barkevious Mingo

lane kiffin is the biggest baby known to man

He's a total douche. I used to have no opinion on USC, really, but now I view them as a villain that must be shamed at every opportunity.

i know lane kiffin won't win humanitarian of the year, but when your preferred team is coached by nick saban, you're treading a pretty fine line.

You don't understand. As much as I hate Tennessee, I honestly felt bad for them after what Kiffin did. I still feel bad for them. He's a prick to other teams in whatever conference he's in. He's a prick to the media. He's probably a prick to his coaches and players. He's just a full grown child.

Saban said he was staying with the Dolphins, and then left the Dolphins. Coaches do that a lot. The thing that really compounded the butthurt there is that Cam Cameron season that followed.

Nick Saban should burn in hell.

Roll Tide.

;)

lol

this baylor-ulm game is p hype

fuckin fast as shit lineman almost ran back a muffed 2 pt convers

ULMs offense is genuinely good
*fumbles as i type*

BYU's coach lost his mind here

okay, yes

http://cdn2.sbnation.com/imported_assets/1211311/Oppa_Saban_Style.gif

geno smith just threw his 8th td, 5th to steadman bailey O_O

43/49 635 yds

the score of this game is literally 70-63 btw

each team w/ at least 700 yds of offense

waht game

there were at least 3 WRs in that game who looked like first rounders to me. I think Baylor's Terrance Williams was the best.

munchie

oh, tyler

O TYLER!

gus johnson "and that might be the most exciting 11 yd run you'll see"
gus a min later "actually it was a 6 yd run"

gus in this mode makes me not mind its texas trying 2 comeback

wau

"beasting a football"

lol 4ever @ texas if this is ruled a fumble

they shd implant cameras looking up all along under every goaline <-------this idea is my intellectual property fyi

jesus christ if that worked

monte ball on the turf

Gus on the last play in Texas game was classic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gODZzSOelss

http://www.arkansasbusiness.com/article.aspx?aID=132980

WOW!

poor guy

That's a lot of coins.

http://awfulannouncing.bloguininc.netdna-cdn.com/images/cardalejonestweet.jpg

cardale jones otm

if y'all are gonna be watching the lsu-UF game i'm liveblogging it for the wall street journal http://blogs.wsj.com/dailyfix/2012/10/06/college-fotball-live-blog-lsu-at-florida/

first time i've done this so i'm not quite sure how it's gonna go but i'll be making jokes

Florida is gud

mettenberger sux

nice livebloggin though.

gus johnson for wvu/tx *straps in*

holy shit, South Carolina

monster hit causing a fumble by wvu

baba buie

WVU's receivers are too good

lol i switch over to the WVU game for a second and hear GJ going off on a 12 yard out pattern. never change

bummed about Northwestern losing

Beano RIP

http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2012/10/11/3488958/beano-cook-dead-college-football

Cook was very entertaining, much better than dudes trying too hard (looking at you Corso).

Will Ron Powlus be a pallbearer?

I disagree with this statement, however:

"and his loss comes as quite a shock -- I'd always assumed he was going to be around forever."

Finding out he only just died is a shock, i assumed he'd been dead for at least a decade.

Love this line:

One of Cook's most famous quips was "Haven't they suffered enough", in response to Major League Baseball commissioner Bowie Kuhn's offer of lifetime passes to games for returning hostages from Iran.

It's the time of year I post this clip again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vt2BAfhUHX0

I suppose this is heresy on I Love NFL, but I follow college football and I don't really give two shits about the NFL. I would also be the first to admit that the level of talent in the NFL is far above the general level of talent in the college game and the NFL game is more competitive in the sense of parity among teams.

There are some extraneous reasons for my interest in college ball and lack of interest in the NFL that have to do with how I spend my Saturdays and Sundays, but the college game is also more capable of surprise, more various and experimental in its offenses, more wildly veering and unpredictable, and just more fun cuz of this.

Plus, I am an Oregonian and right now Oregon has two teams ranked in the top eight of the AP poll. Good times!

Thx. You may now resume your regular NFL programming.

Aimless, you know in your heart that the national championship will come down to two SEC teams. Look, I just spent the last hour going over the Browns schedule with a friend and it's decided that they're making the playoffs. They're 1-5! No college team with that record at this point in the season could even go to a bowl.

I have decided to lock this thread, for the good of the game.

lol @ maryland

wau tx tech

that is some shit to pull in 2ot on the rd

Hai guys. I am a Notre Dame football fan. I am telling you now, so you can prepare top drawer zings for the OU loss next week. Thanking you.

I'm also scared that the narrow victory over BYU means that Mitt will have revenge in November. Better go read the "...Someone smart convince me..." thread.

Is ND's BCS ranking inflated? Maybe a little, but I think they have an okay shot at making a BCS bowl game.

notre dame would have to have a historic collapse to not make a BCS game this year

I think ND seems pretty awesome tbh

Our defense is great, but after the 2002 season (started 8-0, ended up in gator bowl, blown out by nc state) nothing would surprise me. The Rees/Golson QB combo and the associated head games scare me most.

Aimless, you know in your heart that the national championship will come down to two SEC teams.

Sensible people everywhere call it the mythical national championship, sir, until such time as they institute a playoff system among all the conference champions. And, yes, my heart is sadly up to speed on that BCS foolery. And yet, I still look forward to Oregon playing Kansas State in a bowl game, but only because it should be a damn fun game to watch!

I feel bad for Gene Chizik because his mom died...and it's probably only another month or so before he is fired just two seasons removed from winning a BCS championship.

Can anyone explain to me why Kirk Ferentz at Iowa still has a job? He seems to be the definition of mediocrity.

http://www.wafb.com/story/19918447/former-lsu-stars-arrested-on-drug-charges

Jefferson and Mathieu among them. On the one hand, lol @ LSU. On the other, it was a treat to watch Mathieu play and I'm bummed he's dunzo.

I nearly barfed up my lunch when Marcus Lattimore took that hit. Legs aren't supposed to go that direction.

yup rip thats ugly

yeah, that was awful to see

I want to say that everyone in the top 5 but oregon will be tested today, but is mississippi state actually good?

who is this guy wearing a beanie, leather jacket, and thick framed glasses sitting at the game day table?

Can anyone explain to me why Kirk Ferentz at Iowa still has a job? He seems to be the definition of mediocrity.

― One Way Ticket on the 1277 Express (Bill Magill), Tuesday, October 23, 2012 8:01 AM (4 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

mediocrity may have been generous

who is this guy wearing a beanie, leather jacket, and thick framed glasses sitting at the game day table?

― Eccsame the Photon Guys (Sufjan Grafton), Saturday, October 27, 2012 10:48 AM (15 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

dear god, a king of leon

ted leo and kings of leon will battle in indie heaven as notre dame and oklahoma battle on earth today

doug martsch will judge the indie battle, which will follow strict crossroads rules

i.e. it will be indistinguishable from a so-and-so shreds youtube

i don't think a football game has ever put me in a worse mood than this usc v arizona game.

uh marquise lee has like 250 yds in the 1st half

lee is playing great, but i can't stand these flags. both ways. even if most of them are justified, it's getting ridiculous.

marquis lee is absolutely incredible

excited about this

still in shock that usc lost this game after lee's performance.

ND's defense was great, and Golson had a breakout game. I love Golson's personality bouncing back from his concussion. I just hope they can stay unbeaten until I see them at USC after Thanksgiving. The ND run defense vs. Lee should be a great matchup to watch. Alabama, K State, and Oregon all looked scary good as well. However the season ends, I'm enjoying a season of relevance after Rick Reilly's article in August (though we earned the criticism).

K State is a fucking monster.

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http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1641131/raaaaaaaage.gif

serious coaches are (hilariously) serious

Lattimore = broken femur and all four knee ligaments torn.

;_;

;_; about Lattimore. Those gifs are hilarious. When I played football in elementary school, we had a coach that played under Bear Bryant. He would become emotionally invested in the games, which were of course played by 11 and 12 year olds. We regularly ran a drill in practice called "Escape from Saigon."

haha

http://i.imgur.com/KA764.jpg

losing @ home 2 pitt after winning in norman is p classic nd

i have no idea why ppl thought that a team that has won every home game by like 6 points was just gonna coast to an undefeated record

I blame all of the old people in the yellow seats

I hope this drops the ND/USC ticket prices. I'll have to avoid espn for the rest of the year since Mark May will be (even more) awful

Pitt needs to run the fake spike and throw the ball deep. There was year where that play worked every time on the xbox

Pitt-ND is nearing the point where neither team should be allowed to win.

I wonder what Hank Hill would say about this american football game

It will take only one more interception for ND to lose this game

college kicking

whew

We need someone to "make a play." I want a press conference filled with the various merits of "play making."

loll

I'll have to avoid espn for the rest of the year since Mark May will be (even more) awful

I don't think May hates Notre Dame as much as he just likes to see an old man get riled and ornery and spit even more than usual.

I don't know why you jump like that on 1st down

I agree that Pitt can smell it, though

it never ends

college kicking pt. 2

fuck this

the hour is ripe for play making

announcers comparing this overtime to inception. games within games, etc.

haha wow

I don't think May hates Notre Dame as much as he just likes to see an old man get riled and ornery and spit even more than usual.

May should rent Blue Velvet and leave poor lou holtz alone

what is this review what does it mean?

guys I'm rooting for Notre Dame what is going on

are the yankees next or something

td nd nbd

the dream of seeing bama or oregon grind nd into powder is still alive

doesn't get any more pitt panthers than that

I feel bad for Harper. Brindza's kicking game was certainly not better than his, but Harper's miss will be remembered.

Oregon is just crushing USC, huh

just johnny crunching them into powder

K is for Killing Kiffin

I lol'd

gus johnson is a national treasure

"This is college FOOTBALL...on FOX"

I can't handle these 3 football games at one time. It's too much.

milespickingear.gif

Hope this shows up soon.

that sounds pretty gross, miles. why'd you do that on camera?

marquis lee is pretty good at advancing the football

whoa

Darkness looms.

bama gettin mettenbergered

gamble les gamble

lol measurement

i really wanted to see bama-oregon but a national title game w/ no SEC team would be hilarious

!!!!

lol @ lsu

bama got really outplayed in this game

yeah they did

where was that LSU defense just now

yeldon is unrela

i loved verne saying "the blitz and the screen" on that replay. so poetic.

les has been awful awful awful tonight

aj mccarron randomly crying on the sidelines, or whatever reason

i bet les would like to have a timeout or two here

why didn't they kick a field goal way back when it was like 4th and 1 on the bama 20 yard line instead of going for it

wussup AJ?

les miles is a moron xp

well & that wouldve only put them up 6 regardless

yeah it might not have mattered tho you never know how it might've changed the rest of the game

You guys, I was pretty sure I was going to die during that last Alabama drive. I'm alive, though.

going for it was totally fine do we really need another 4th down discussion?

Bama plays Texas A&M next week, which won't be any walk in the park. I need to get some blood pressure medication.

the playcall was patently terrible

that fourth call was the least of les' problems but he was terrible all game

a&m is overrated

they're a good team but bama will beat them pretty soundly

les miles u brake my hart.

ROLL TIDE imo

i am now an ND fan

http://static.habsburger.net/files/styles/large/public/images/teaser/matthaeus_merian_der_aeltere_der_prager_fenstersturz_kupferstich_teaser_0.jpg

Fucking refs. I hate to be in a position where I am siding with the Vols, but a td was called back for a violation of the taunting rule when all the guy did was highstep into the endzone for the last five yards. No pointing the football at anyone. No wagging his finger. Nothing at all but a highstep.

They got a td on the very next play, yeah, but it should've stood the first time.

Fucking refs.

JF, you don't watch much Pac-12 football, do you? If you do anything more than solemnly reflect after a sack, it's 15 yards. It has been a problem for years, but there hasn't been much improvement.

Outside of the occasional Oregon game, you're right...I don't see much Pac-12. Refs everywhere are out of control, though.

a+m is bringin it

I knew this game would be rough, but J0rdan S. was all "oh, A&M is overrated". If anything, I think I'd probably been UNDERrating them.

a&m has played well but this is pretty embarrassing for bama. a&m has already scored as many points today as they did vs. LSU and UF.

It was nice of CBS to document the A&M/Bama connections through Bryant and Stallings, but I agree that it was probably a good idea not to mention Franchione—a guy I'm positive neither school really holds in esteem.

haha did they not even mention him? that's hilarious. i can remember the OUTRAGE when franchione split for a&m.

wau a&m

RIP bama

fuck me

really wanted bama-oregon but oh well

why would it be oregon and not ksu?

amari cooper is so damn good

wtf

why would it be oregon and not ksu?

― Gukbe, Saturday, November 10, 2012 6:59 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark

everything i've read says that oregon will eventually jump KSU if both win out

i.e. oregon already jumped ND

FUUUUUUUCCCCCKKKKK

LOL

they shouldve called timeout, mccarron was winded & got hit hard on that 3rd

i agree that they needed to keep those TOs jic

he had that guy open, just a bad pass

so Oregon v KSU?

unless amari cooper squiggles loose

what in the world

rip sec

god gary danielson is such an unrepentant troll

ouch

If ND is undefeated, and KSU or oregon loses...what happens y'all?

One of those two will go? if two of them lose then SEC winner in the BCS?

exactly

I hope so. I want a chance of winning the bowl game. And I want to complain.

Gukbe's right. For the SEC to make the championship now, 2 of the remaining undefeateds have to drop at least one game.

which is what happened last year. it doesn't seem likely though.

ND could certainly lose... the other two teams, idk

Oregon and KSU don't look like they'll lose. After LSU, I thought Alabama was unbeatable, though.

Yeah ND has USC on the last day, I think.

I'm not too butthurt about this right now, tbh. I like ND, KSU and Oregon and would watch any combination of them play for the title. I'd still like to see Alabama or Georgia get in there, but that's homerism on my part.

ND 0-2 vs. Boston College when ranked in top 5

Surely those must have been good years for BC? Because this BC team is TERRIBLE.

Enjoyed Bama A&M so much. Now c Klein the pride of Loveland CO, this is great.

notre dame has boston college tonight and usc, oregon has stanford and oregon state and possibly usc in pac 12 championship, kansas state has texas and possibly oklahoma in big 12 championship game. would not be surprised to be alabama back in there.

yeah exactly, tho there's no big 12 championship anymore

woah really? haha smart move

The conference is too small for a championship game, I believe? Or maybe that was last season? I don't follow the Big 12 closely enough to know, tbh.

wiki sez the NCAA only allows conference championship games for conferences with 12 or more teams. Big 12 only has 10, lol.

o right not enough teams anyway, i forget there are only ten teams in the big 12 now

The big ??

K state number one. Haven't been following so pls explain why Oregon isn't #1?

Something about the BCS tabulation system has had KSU over Oregon all along, and with both of them winning, there wasn't really any reason for Oregon to leapfrog.

yeah k state schedule to date is stronger and the difference in human rankings isn't enough to overcome that

Has Gary "Mr. Objectivity" Danielson stopped crying since the Alabama loss?

Lundquist has got to say to himself every week: get me to basketball season and Bill Raftery STAT.

What? Gary has such contempt for the Alabama program he can barely contain it during broadcasts. He may be more generous this year because Alabama has a qb who's not a stiff, but yeah...Gary is usually sneering during Alabama games. Why he's not assigned to the Big 12 or Pac 12 is beyond me.

Human beings like a flashy offense. The computers understand that ND is the best in the country. We need to put our trust in the computers, people. Don't make the GOP mistake of putting your gut ahead of the computers.

This morning, the computer in my microwave told me that my breakfast burrito was 'done.' To my human senses, it tasted a little cold in the middle. But I know my human senses are biased. The computer said the burrito was done. I did not question it.

ND's offense is orange juice, and you have all just brushed your teeth. think about it.

Look at Oregon and KSU. Between their consistent play and high scoring offenses, it's hard to tell them apart. Why not give a 'protest vote' to ND?

i like gary but he was pretty awful last week + obviously biased towards bama

also he still flogs the "can the spread work in the SEC?" bullshit tho he isn't alone on that front

It's entirely possible (though not probable) that ND could lose to USC and Oregon could get knocked off by either Stanford or Oregon State. Who might KSU lose to? Well, maybe Texas, but that's a long shot. If any two of these three teams loses a game, just one, the winner of the SEC championship advances into the nat'l title game. So who will it be?

ND and Oregon lose. Alabama wins championship. Nick Saban forges all powerful crystal dolphin from his bcs trophies. Saban is defeated by Herbstreit (meanwhile Corso is exposed as Saban minion). Crystal dolphin is divided among the major conferences, who agree to never let Nick Saban happen to college football again.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8624250/florida-state-seminoles-jimbo-fisher-wants-move-back-pre-bcs-system

jimbo fisher goes full "Girl You Wish You Hadn't Started a Conversation With at a Party"

What? Gary has such contempt for the Alabama program he can barely contain it during broadcasts.

^sorry, Fever, you're listening to a different game. Danielson is the probably second only to that idiot Paul Finebaum as the biggest Bama homer going.

Why he's not assigned to the Big 12 or Pac 12 is beyond me.

^he's also hugely biased towards the SEC.

USC lookin wack

Kiffin looked stricken, like his heart had turned to water and leaked into his shoes so that his socks squished his heart-water when he wiggled his toes. This did not really bother me somehow.

ducks kinda shook

Baylor showed up to play.

baylor also 21-7 on kstate yahh trick yah

bama fans crossing fingers

mariotta is p good

jesus 28-7

kstate is v reminiscent of ok st a few yrs ago imo

I don't believe the second half of this Oregon game will resemble the first half at all, but the KSU game might be a different story. What's the deepest hole KSU has come out of this season?

I don't know but they're coming back nicely at the moment.

baylor, wth

yah. disaster.

baylor otm

wow

dayum

what just happened

whats the most a #1 team has ever lost by

oh man I love the baylor sideline party

stanford driving 2 tie w 4 min left

this stanford qb is a sidearming mfer

how did teams score so much on baylor all season?

did he not catch that

ertz is p good

yooooooo

he also has it and his feet are just down, guys

what is that flag

stanfords front line is playing amazing

dline obv

I like their whole D

lololololololol duks

the oregon doinks

didnt realize sec had teams #4-9 in the bcs

holy shit @ that

this wont be much of a pressure kick

man he crushed it

Roll Tide?

rip chip

I'm having a conniption

lol @ every duck fan w/ hands on their faces

I'm having a conniption

You and Regis Philbin both. Someone should check in on him, actually.

i was so pulling for the Ducks tonight, sad that they lost.

I don't not like Oregon, but I really like David Shaw as a coach and Stanford as a team. I'm always pulling for Stanford.

for some reason the most important word isnt in that url

http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/ncf/story/_/id/8650748/matt-barkley-play-usc-trojans-notre-dame-fighting-irish-lane-kiffin-says

It's a ruse!

Maryland's officially left the ACC. Rutgers about to exit the Big East. I've read a few theories on what happens to the Big East now, but they all sound too crazy to be pan out. My theory? In five years, there won't even be a Big East.

crazy we're at a point where rutgers is too big time for the big east. maryland move seems weird to me.

Apparently the Big 12 has been courting Louisville...which, if successful, would take pretty much the only other football anchor the Big East has (not to mention the basketball implications in all this shuffling).

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Jeff Tedford has been fired. Regrettable but necessary I feel.

yeah it was def time.

nice guy but this just wasn't working.

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i bet there are a lot of SEC fans that can't believe they're rooting for lane kiffin tonight...

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i bet there are a lot of SEC fans that can't believe they're rooting for lane kiffin tonight...

Naturally I'm not speaking for all SEC fans, but that dude can eat shit forever. Looking forward to ND vs. ??.

go dawgs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etMlNW5w-50

bacarri rambo's already talkin shit

Good for him. It seems weird that Georgia is the #3 team in the country and they've been largely un-talked about all season. Now people will talk about them this week.

I hope they lose, sure, but yay for exposure! They're good.

imagine if osu wasnt banned from bowl games this year.. we could go back to worshipping the pre-SEC gods of college football

At the ND/USC game, 5 USC fans near me wore FlairHair visors. I was surrounded by a pack of screaming Fieris.

ND won and I picked up a good used copy of 801 Live at Amoeba for cheap on my way north. It was a good weekend.

Good for him. It seems weird that Georgia is the #3 team in the country and they've been largely un-talked about all season. Now people will talk about them this week.

I hope they lose, sure, but yay for exposure! They're good.

― Johnny Fever, Monday, November 26, 2012 1:38 PM (4 hours ago) Bookmark

http://i.imgur.com/ToWpo.gif

:D

a duck in a bear bryant hat?

Will Grantland declare every championship in every college sport to be "an end of an era" moving forward?

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/8680817/notre-dame-alabama-sec-history-college-football-national-championship-game

Stanford pull it out, didn't think they had a chance. UCLA out played them but they held on for the win.

Oh shit, I forgot that was happening tonight.

Ugh, and Kent State lost. No BCS. :(

THEM DAWGS IS HELL DON'T THEY

garrett booker crushed that dr pepper game

well now

returning the block straight for a td is os next level

os? operating system?

good throw

jesus christ

HOORAY!!!!!!

you can't spell wisconsin without gus johnson

you cant watch wisconsin without gus johnson

Nick Saban's split-second reaction when Tracy told him he was headed to Miami was lolz. Butthurt Dolphins fans are gonna block I-95 with pitchforks and torches.

sup 'braska

hilarious husker "defense"

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6cdtat25Y1qbhuwdo1_500.jpg

lol what was that

the cornhuskers. you will laugh til you cry.

Georgia goes from 5 yards away from the championship game to playing Nebraska in the capital one bowl. Fuck you bcs.

nah, that seems completely otm

Nah, that's wrong. Why does the BCS even bother to rank anything but #'s 1 and 2 if the rest of the top 10 aren't going to fill out the BCS games? Fuck conference allegiances. I want to see the best ten teams face off in the big bowls.

bowls are stupid and unimportant anyway don't worry about it

also once it switches to a four team playoff a team like georgia would get in

all rankings are pretty dumb, when a team loses a close game to the #1 team they drop 10 in the polls

just win all of your games, complainers

^ I'm taking on this posting style in this thread to make it all the more delicious for y'all when we get crushed by 'bama

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1836133/bielema-calling-the-hogs.gif

attn pplains

if it didn't say "live" in the corner, I'd think this was undercover footage of an LDS ritual

Louisiana Tech coach Sonny Dykes is supposedly the new head coach at Cal. Here's hoping he can help with the graduation rate!

http://media2.newsobserver.com/smedia/2012/11/29/23/11/14VxZ3.Em.156.jpeg

what's the word on the guy?

okay this looks...very underwhelming

also maybe an awkward fit in the bay area

iirc he was considered one of the better potential hires out there and was a lot more well liked at la tech than dooley (which aint sayin much), probably the best of the mid-major guys looking to move up this year

The cultural fit in Berkeley might be weird but he does have a master's degree.

interesting

his career numbers themselves don't have a lot to go off but I guess w/ the guys on the rise you are looking for intangibles? and its not like we were gonna get a top tier proven dude xp

lol at the quality of the bielema gif making it look like he has petrino-face

Gundy and Strong have both turned Tennessee down lol

Al Golden would probably be a good fit there, but Miami is as much of a shambles as UT is and it would be a lateral move at best.

jfever do you have any thoughts on paul finebaum

lol. fuck the vols.

I never listen to Finebaum and I really only notice him when he appears as a talking head on ESPN or something, but my impression is that he's basically the Jerry Springer of Alabama sports radio. He throws out a topic and then lets redneck callers have at each other on the air.

yeah, that's pretty much the conclusion of the article

there are a *lot* of rednecks in the world

WS Bielema's wife

I listen to a lot of Finebaum. He's got the easiest job in the world. Just sit back and take calls from some of the most moronic, stupid, backwards fools you've ever heard. He barely says anything.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/10-Person-Luxury-Suite-for-2013-BCS-National-Championship-Game-Tickets-01-07-13-/300827037746?pt=US_Tickets_all_in_one&hash=item460ab05032

I think that all contributors to this thread could fit comfortably in this suite. Let's do it.

I'd love to read that Finebaum article, but it looks like its paywalled. If i have a dentist's appt in the near future, i'll probably get to read it!

I'm tuning into Finebaum today just to see what it's like firsthand, btw. Bracing myself.

At first you will be appalled. But it is strangely addictive.

Man, about 20 minutes in and I'm about ready to take a shower to wash off the filth, but I'm sticking with it.

http://deadspin.com/5966093/the-new-yorkers-story-on-paul-finebaum-forever-stains-the-magazines-annals-with-this-passage#13548297259842&{"type":"iframeUpdated","height":708}

UT finally got a coach. Butch Jones. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

After all these years of hearing about it, I just now saw the game footage where Woody Hayes punched that Clemson player in the throat in the '78 Gator Bowl. PIECE. OF. SHIT.

lol a friend of mine was at a pre-bowl game buffet with Woody as a kid (may have been the Clemson game) and said that Woody pushed him out of the way to get to the shrimp and promptly piled his plate with all that was left

it's called "mentoring this nation's youth"

*hem hem* Go Navy. There.

jinx

And goodness reigns for another year.

I liked it back before the suspense was sucked out of the Heisman award. Manziel has had this locked up since K-State lost, and the winners the last several years all seemed like the sure thing before the ceremony.

Quit publishing voter polls during the lead-up, people!

my manziel n dem

Johnny HEISMANziel

Tuberville left the Texas Tech job to coach at Cincinnati? idgi

stay out of trouble this summer, Johnny Football

I lost 2 games out of 12 of Street Fighter once. I didn't get an award for that.

you threw 3 interceptions vs. LSU? yeah sure have a trophy.

You didn't mean to so it's OK. You are QB 1

*listens to Slim Harpo and thinks about how great the SEC is*

need more yards to put a polish on your broken season? by all means gain them, "Johnny Football."

Turn on Mike & Mike. Johnny Manziel doesn't know what the word 'freelance' means. This should be offensive to any writers out there in multiple ways.

He "freelanced his heisman speech a little bit."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QoCCKS6AUM

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8759647/mal-moore-confident-nick-saban-alabama-crimson-tide-coach-leave-nfl

"When I'd go to work, I'd never see anybody. Nobody ever comes to see me. Nobody ever calls. I'd have to think up somebody to call." This is a very bizarre description of NFL coaching for Moore and Saban to share.

There's no benefit for Saban in a return to the NFL. I honestly believe he prefers the college game, but on top of that he's making a shitload of $$$ and he's worshiped like a god in the state of Alabama. If he were to leave, I'd be confused. Not mad, but confused.

Yeah, he'd have to start from scratch at somewhere like the Cleveland, and this late in his career why would he do that? He's got the Alabama program the way he wants it, and he's attracting top recruits because of it.

I know Jerry Jones is in love with him, and the Dallas job is the only one I could conceivably see him leaving for. That's still a crazy longshot.

xpost yes, all of those reasons are better and more believable than "being an NFL coach is lonely." I agree that he'd be crazy to leave.

saban goes where the money is.

http://brightcove01.brightcove.com/23/260701696001/201209/1108/260701696001_1845864375001_vs-50577a496f91b0e4414b369a-767904723001.jpg?pubId=260701696001

"When I go to work I feel like I'm working at a damn factory." He said, "I never see a soul."

saban works in a subtle zing toward alabama factory workers

that image came from googling "nick saban smiling" btw

"When I go to work I feel like I'm working at a damn factory." He said, "I never see a soul."

― toy_sleigher (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, December 19, 2012 12:41 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Maybe they dont see you cuz you're a miserable bastard, Nick

this margus hunt dude on smu is ridic

as a small child i always dreamed that someday my team would lose to cincinnati in the belk bowl

http://www.ilxor.com/ILX/NewAnswersControllerServlet?boardid=49

Ed Cunningham -the color guy for last nite's Belk Bowl (which was a good game) is a pussy and probably the worst announcer I've ever heard. Every big hot was some sort of "penalty" according to him.

lol @ va tech w/ 12 yards total in 1st half

Rutgers -va tech setting back offensive football about 50 years

gonna be a challenge for these offenses not to be able to punt in ot

At least Ed "Pussy" Cunningham is not doing this Texas tech -Minnesota game

You'd think that someone with gigantic testicles would be extremely sensitive to his surroundings. Yet Ed "giant testicles" Cunningham would read as a compliment to most. Elephantitis is neither a compliment nor an insult though really. It's a medical condition.

okafor is a beast

With 7 nfl head coaching positions open, will any college coach make the leap?

Yeah, he'd have to start from scratch at somewhere like the Cleveland, and this late in his career why would he do that? He's got the Alabama program the way he wants it, and he's attracting top recruits because of it.

― Gukbe, Tuesday, December 18, 2012 6:21 PM (1 week ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

cleveland, philadelphia, chicago, buffalo, kansas city, san diego, arizona. they aren't all as bad as cleveland

i know it's windy but max wittek made like zero good throws this whole game

lane kiffin ushers in a new era of zero good throws with max wittek

clem/lsu is a really good matchup

surprisingly, even w/ watkins having been injured so far

how does lsu always have sick punters

seems like every time I look up dude is punting the ball 70 yards in this game

clemsons dfense loses all the goodwill it earned in :17 seconds, good show

I want LSU to lose, but that was PI

Holy shit Ed Cunningham is a fucking pussy. Watch soccer , Ed. You pussy.

Die, Cunningham

today might be the worst day to be a USC fan that i have experienced, complete with the coach you keep trying to defend showing up in an alpine mountaineering getup and the offense playing the worst game that a USC offense has played in a generation. oh well, next season should have its share of hilarious (to everyone else) moments to look forward to.

I've got sunshine on a cloudy day
When it's cold outside I've got the month of May
I guess you'd say
What can make me feel this way?
Magill (Magill, Magill)
Talkin' 'bout Magill (Magill)

when hook+ladder works its so beautiful

yeah, just out of LSU dude's reach. nice play.

wau lsu throws 3 times there

that 4th d conversion was crazy

All Cunningham talks about are penalties that should have been called but weren't. Like what we need is more whistles. Let them play.

no idea who he his, that 2d down throw shdve been PI

Totally.

I guess the ACC is just a better football conference

Based on today's results they kick some serious ass

lol @ purdue running a fake punt on their 1st possession from their own like 10

Thank god Palmer and pollack are decent announcers and appreciate football for how it's supposed to be played.

props 2 the big ten, for making these games watchable, tho i think it sez more abt the flaws of uga/s car

hi dere
http://cdn2.sbnation.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/5906711/clowney.0_standard_500.0.gif

Carolina fans losing their minds at the outback bowl

can we just put Clowney in this year's draft plz

Goddam. If Ed Cunningham was calling the sc-mich game, he would have called for clowney to be arrested. What a fucking hit he put on that guy.

Clowney is insanely good

oh my god clowney

stanford band trying too hard as always

I don't know what the Gators and Muschamp have been doing for the last month, but it wasn't planning for the Sugar Bowl.

Maybe they planned really hard and weren't the better team?

Sometimes that's the case, but they were playing sloppy and dazed and sluggish all night...like a team that last seriously thought about football in November.

Yeah, they didn't look their best. The punch was entertaining though

Now Spielman is my type of announcer. He appreciates the game how it's supposed to be played.

http://www.chrisspielman.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/book_chris.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/j6z8a.jpg

I still look forward to Oregon playing Kansas State in a bowl game, but only because it should be a damn fun game to watch!

I got my wish.

it has been fun. I hope that oregon doesn't run away with it in the second half. chip kelly will be in the nfl next year coaching against pete carroll and ?nick saban?

The Oregon defense is going to be the key to this game. Nick Alioti is a tremendous defensive coordinator who usually figures out a way to do the job.

I hope Chip takes the Browns job, because they will either be the most amazing team in the league to watch or a spectacular disaster (as opposed to the unspectacular disaster they currently are).

I'm guessing sabin has such a sweet perch at bama that he'll stick to it.

Yeah, SG seems to enjoy pushing the notion that Saban will jump back to the NFL, but it's quite unlikely imo.

somewhere bill magill really enjoyed that hit

ha, it's wishful pushing. it'll be so boring if he just runs a saban empire down in alabama for the next 10 years

Not boring for MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

OU v KSU, it looks to me like Klein has lost his edge, maybe he was riding adreneline and he's run out of it.

this wouldn't have been the best championship game. hopefully monday is better

a couple of turnovers could get K state back in, but they need them in a hurry.

waht 1 pt safety ?

that is awesome

bill snyder should not be up this late o wait i guess its west coast n/m

Yeah, huh? I've never even heard of that.

chip 2 the raiders, qb terrell pryor as j0rdan said like 2 yrs ago, btw

Dur Dur d'être Bébé as jordy said like 20 yrs ago, btw

chip has GOT TO bring the 4-quadrant poster boards 2 the nfl

He would. At least long enough to give it a good try out to see if it works there.

got my #5 BCS 2013 jersey on today. ridiculous that manti and everett get $0 from the sales of this thing

west coast really messing up the day. want to leave work early and watch nd v. cincy hoops and then the championship game. ;_;

It sux this game is on a Monday.

nd fans praying @ church, bama fans still tailgating

bama fans otm

mc mussberger, next chicago rapper 2 pop

hope its close in the 4th q so he can say "this is for all the credit cards"

heyo

cool only allowing 2 rushing tds nd

game over

^^^^^

i dig those shiny helmets though

refs fuckin shit up

is this WWE

that call will loom large when bamas up by 40

https://twitter.com/alpha1906/status/288450573823516672/photo/1

LOL

so is hockey back yet that i can put on or s.thing or what

are they gonna get screwed again or what

whoa aj mccarron's gal

lol jesus. musberger's bored with the game so he starts crankin' his hog go mccarron's old lady

whoa! zabba dabba doo! whatta woman!! mama mia!!!

otm

what the shit is this game.

notre dame suxxxxx

goddamn denis leary stop saying things abt trucks @ me

velp

At this point I kind of want Saban to never let up in this game and have it end up like 72-9 or something. So much Garbage Time that Musburger starts sounding drunker and just openly talks about terrible things he'd like to do to AJ McCarron's girlfriend.

Hahahaha Alabama looks like they're 1000x better

if nds strategy is 'eff it were goin deep' on every play the rest of the way here i maaybe dont switch it to diners, drive-ins & dives

what a shocker

Wow, that replay of 4th down suggests that maybe versus a defense full of super-athletic dudes your best bet is NOT to just have everyone run in straight lines.

Oregon Ducks would have put up more of a fight.

Dawgs already did

I want this to end 100-0. Notre dame doesn't deserve to watch the national championship game on tv.

Bill magill will call us pussies next. Wait for it

I hate Saban. But I want him to run it up here.

Notre dame are a bunch of pussies

hahah

Teo really showing his heisman bona fides

Wish our defense was a wall O' gina tbh

theres a diff btwn 'missed tackles' and tackles they literally cannot make, herby

xp let this guy in 77, hes done the homework

whoa that guitar driven injury music was a mistake there

Our tackling has looked awful. Lacey is so strong

This whole game is an injury music rock opera.

wau lacy

Holy shit. Can we get Oregon for the second half?

ridic

feel mildly bad for nd fans that triple mtged their houses 2 pay 4 tix to this game

feel mildly bad for the QB's girlfriend who probably didn't expect to be commented on several times on national television

Couldn't care less about the nd fans

I'm sure tphe Alabama girlfriend loves the attention , which she's been getting all season

Plus she's hot

Maybe she doesn't?

Maybe she does?

But you are ~sure~

the things i learn from searching twitteronia: jon gruden is not at the bcs title game. he is sitting in the front row at wwe monday night raw.

I'm not sure, that's why I said maybe.

Let me tell you about THIS GUY JOHN CENA.

Then again I did say "I'm sure". Trust me dude. She's been shaking her thing in front of the camera all year.

i have no idea what goes on in wwe but i hope chucky hits THIS GUY with a steel chair

bill magill's seen every play the gf has made this year guys

THIS GUY bill magill?

this is the best ncg since texas-usc

http://cdn0.sbnation.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/6222963/sadrudy.0_standard_709.0.gif

lolllll

The most awkward thing about this game is watching it with my friend from bama.

He's been talking about my cat. Just trying to distract me from the game.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d7/Play_like_a_champion_sign.jpg

bill magill's seen every play the gf has made this year guys

― an eagle named "small government" (call all destroyer), Monday, January 7, 2013 10:06 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalin

God. I wish

That's a good friend. xps

That post was so mookie

Xp

Thought u was mookie proof ;_;

longest halftime/least to talk abt ratio of all time

Tedious halftime

"Oo nice run" after a few yard gain. Feel like I need to tell my bama friend ill be ok

He is literally cheering for nd's offense now

I doubt manti teo would even start for Alabama

If true he chose the right school. Think a lot of saban recruits expect to start and don't

http://30fps.mocksession.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/2013-January-7-21-58-30.jpg

Love that dude

Teo has lost some money tonight. Quite a lot of money.

For real...his draft stock is dropping with each possession.

He will be an nfl player. I wouldn't feel too bad for him

He lost money tonight

That post was the magill to your previous post's bill

They were like poetry. They rhymed. In the George Lucas sense

I aim to please.

college rules but that was a hell of a throw and catch

ok--

https://mobile.twitter.com/KateUpton/status/288492425809362944

Bit like eifert's in the first quarter

hahaha xp

This game is like Kirby smart swallowed a better d coordinator and somebody pressed down on the d-pad

fox would be giving us so many irish fan anguish, h8 u espn

I'd be really jacked to see bama get to 60

Yelawolf already did that

What just happened

alabama, joyous in victory

^applies to immediate events as well as game overall btw xp

This game is bullshit. Ohio State should be playing Alabama for the national championship. College football is such a fucking joke.

lol saban is all "please don't touch me"

Oregon should possibly be playing Alabama as the result of a playoff. Ohio state has no case

http://i.imgur.com/vMRbi.jpg

This game is bullshit. Ohio State should be playing Alabama for the national championship. College football is such a fucking joke.

― Mr. Snrub, Monday, January 7, 2013 11:38 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

The pregame festivities could be a lance Armstrong allstars v. Miguel andurain bail bonds for one mile, then a McGwire -bonds home run derby