2012 NFL Week 11: "boxers or briefs?" "greys from the stadium. Same ones farve was wearing in dic pic"

thanks to Josh Sitton

this week's slate:

Thursday:
Miami @ Buffalo

Sunday noon:
Arizona @ Atlanta
Cleveland @ Dallas
Green Bay @ Detroit
Cincinatti @ Kansas City
New York Jets @ St. Louis
Philidephia @ Washington
Tampa Bay @ Carolina
Jacksonville @ Houston

Sunday afternoon:
New Orleans @ Oakland
San Diego @ Denver
Indianaplois @ New England

Sunday night:
Baltimore @ Pittsburgh

Monday:
Chicago @ San Francisco

kinda loving rick reilly dragged thru the mud past couple of days

miami
atlanta
dallas
green bay
cinci
st louis
washington
tampa
houston
new orleans
denver
new england
san francisco

o, baltimore over pittsburgh

Can't remember when KC plays the Colts next.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXyZxW-w7ng

was gonna post that eric berry vid, its awesome.

Buffalo
Atlanta
Dallas
Green Bay
Cincinatti
St. Louis
Washington
Tampa Bay
Houston
Oakland
Denver
New England
Baltimore
San Francisco

http://cjzero.com/gifs/BillsFanScary.gif

why is washington excited to have meriweather back in the lineup?

oh hey D HALL

okay i see why

matt ryan sucks

wooooooow how did eagles leave one of the WRs that wide open!

v strange ruling in the falcons/cards game

and the cards have benched john skelton for some asshole from san diego st. who does not look ready for primetime

browns are dominating the cowboys

henne is pwning the texans

loooooool @ philly

The Cowboys just tried the worst on-sides kick ever.

<3

posluzny is making every play for the jags

RGIII RGIII RGIII

TOUCHDOWN washington pigskins

about to be 31-6 here

god fuck this stupid sport

really close td vs fumble by doug martin

well brandon weeden, you haven't had a fucking game-winning drive all' season, will here be any different?

washington is "the most penalized team in the NFL, and that's saying something when you think about the Oakland Raiders"

or he could fucking fumble.

fuck this shit.

up 13-0 at the start of the third and they fucking lose.

lol romo

ROMO FUMBLE!!!!!

GREG LITTLE!!!!

http://30fps.mocksession.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/2012-November-18-15-48-41.jpg

browns!

god, lions tackling -__-

Pat Shurmur with another fireable coaching decision just now in not letting the clock run down to the two minute warning.

even tho greg jennings isn't playing today, he's still been the star of this game IMO

omg cleveland!

pat shurmur is such a hilariously awful coach

just generally speaking

that video screen in the cowboy terrordome is just ridiculous

cmon clevo!

"the super bowl is on the line for the cleveland browns right here"

it's definitely not!

"decision time?" what decision can they make? you have to go for it browns

oh, you threw a fade to your backup tight end? cool call

"what a terrible pass by brandon weeden"

ugh

weeden made a similar uncatchable 4th d throw end of game vs balt iirc

what kind of play call was that. cleveland. good grief.

that pass was bad but that was definitely the least of cleveland's problems there

now would be a great time for romo pick six. think about it, tony romo

yeah if you can't get one yard in two downs when the game's on the line you don't deserve to win

speaking of terrible playcalls...

or just run a play on fourth down that has a chance of succeeding

omg that punt was so bad

maybe nobody deserves to win here, though

there are a lot of goddamn mediocre teams in the nfl

cut your fucking hair, cribbs.

lol the browns are still going to lose

i already feel bad for mr. snrub

browns!!

"Routine, average, no-brainer plays that they have just messed up"

BROWNS

HOLY SHIT TOUCHDOWN VROWNS1!!!

wow ben watson is still in the league? <3

can we get some reaction shots of jerry jones on this thing

this game is fucking hilarious right now

fuckin battle of who can find a way 2 lose

this is pretty revolutionary by the browns

now would be another good time for a romo pick six

allow the other team to move all the way down the field thanks to two long penalties and also injure two of their players thus effectively giving them two timeouts

ooooh 16 seconds i think cowboys should try taking a sack & not being able to get the FG unit on the field in time
just my suggestion, dallas

romo almost fumbled on that last play

"and you can't spike it because that's fourth down. that would be a most embarrassing moment"

THIS GAME good lord how many no brainer plays can you have

wau tampa

so the pats have edelman and welker in there as WRs, no hernandez, branch was released (prob temporarily), lloyd isn't on the field..

"The ruling on the field stands, although as I said, it's not a reviewable play. I didn't review it."

lol @ texans db taking teh ball str8 2 the nuts

edelman! this game in NE is fun
somebody should prob start to play defense

welcome to new england talib

browns are dominating the cowboys

smh at you jinxing them, brownie

Pats score another touchdown ->Belichick still looks pissed off

classic end to the early slate of games, that was a wild 20 mins or so on red zone

go pats go

i think that's turnover #3?

tuck rule does not apply to visiting teams in foxboro obvs

GRONK

lots of nice plays from the defense today

yeah but that secondary still worries me when they give up big chunks of yards. and pats writer before the game suggested they might be about to ship pat chung out of town, he's inactive again today and i don't think he's injured any more

wouldn't surprise me--chung has gotten a free pass for not appearing incompetent but he's not much of a playmaker. meanwhile mccourty at safety is looking like a decent idea.

wacky stat--in games 9-16 since 2010 pats have a +45 turnover differential (49 to 4)

OH SHIT

that was crazy

another pick six

baaad throw

i'm sure BB is still mad about something or other with this game
maybe giving up too many 3rd and long plays?

well i'm mad about that so he probably is too

just fucking play man to man and blitz and see what happens, it can't possibly be worse than their other recent strategies

edelman on point today

now what are they going to do for the next ten minutes of football? try and go over 60 points? i mean if the defense can't stop them..

THIS GUY edelman

ummm, these Denver people know they just lost 20 or so yards by picking that off? wtf

can't do this anymore

browns are dominating the cowboys

smh at you jinxing them, brownie

― mookieproof, Sunday, November 18, 2012 5:39 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark

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brownie ilnfl needs u

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

8-8

wildcard

I have 2 more Raider home games then ~relief~.

I've sat through some u_u seasons but jesus christ the ennui is overwhelming

gronk broke his forearm

I can't watch Pittsburgh in these unis. Gives me a headache.

collinsworth is acting like leftwich was at one point an accurate passer

i wish gronk wasn't still in there playing on an extra point when the pats have scored 58 already
that's belichick for you

i think steelers and ravens have played this exact game about a dozen times already

yes

steelers r dun

i wish gronk wasn't still in there playing on an extra point when the pats have scored 58 already
that's belichick for you

― seriously, THIS GUY (daria-g), Sunday, November 18, 2012 10:48 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

tight ends play every extra point, that's not "belichick" that's every team in the nfl.

is it just me or is Matt Stafford kind of...not good ?

hes prob good enough but yeah it's hard 2 see him becoming 'elite' or w/e

hes 6th in dyar and 9th in dvoa this year fwiw

he has not his best this year but i think he's obviously a really good QB... probably permanently in that second level after brady/rodgers/peyton etc

the lions on the other hand are just not that good at all... they need to figure out what the problem is over there

i think the main reason why their offense has underwhelmed so much this year is bcuz they put too much on stafford's shoulders. he's good but he's not, like, on that aforementioned brady/rodgers/peyton level where the lions can essentially be like "we're gonna put no emphasis on our run game whatsoever, we'll let our QB wing the ball around all game to a bunch of WRs who may or may not be incredibly random and we're still gonna have an elite offense"

yeah I mean that's basically it, I do think they're playing him like an elite QB when he's really not and it results in games like this where he misses wide open guys or has to rely too much on jump balls to Megatron (which generally seem to work out). the Lions in general are really not there yet, you don't have to be Bill Barnwell to know that a team that built a 10-6 record on ridiculous double-digit 4th quarter comebacks is going to regress some. they're not beating the crap out of anyone this year like they did last year either. Stafford plays at elite level from time to time but as everyone's seeming to notice now he only really seems to bring it in the 4th when he's needed the most, probably because he comes out so flat, every game.

one thing I don't understand is why the Packers ran so much against them. I get that the Packers are desperately trying to get their run game going but they haven't had a run game in forever and the Lions are a great team to throw against, I dunno wtf Buck and Troy were talking about saying that the Lions pass defense was elite or whatever, they give up more ridiculous 50+ yard TD plays than anyone.

i said last year that the Lions 10-6 record and playoff appearance was probably their peak, they just never seemed like real "up and comers"; they were more like that weird Bengals team that somehow went 6-0 in their division and got demolished in the playoffs, then had to blow everything up the next year

Stafford is basically Cutler 2 I think.

yeah. i mean that's not a terrible thing. the bears have been one of the best teams in the NFC for three years running.

I'd say Cutler is better as a whole, but he is a bit older, but yes I think Cutler is pretty much Stafford's ceiling, not a bad thing really. Also worth mentioning that outside of Brandon Marshall, Cutler rarely had an elite receiver to work with, while Staff's had Megatron his whole career, and tbh you don't even need to be that accurate with a receiver like him. I dunno, the Lions are a pretty tough team to figure out, their running game has sucked since Jahvid Best went out (and sucked long before that, too) while their defense/special teams alternate between tough physical play and complete mental lapses, for example giving up five 70+ yard scoring plays to the Tennessee Titans. I do think Schwartz is at least a decent coach but the whole team just seems so undisciplined and unlikeable, Stafford makes that "where's the flag" face after every damn incompletion or every time he's touched, while his team seems to be coached to hold and facemask whenever they think they can get away with it, I dunno why they don't get flagged more than they do. But yeah they really don't seem "one piece away" from anything, and it's entirely likely they finish this season out 5-11 or 6-10 and wanting to blow everything up again, because the tough part of their schedule started yesterday, and it's a doozy.

mcgahee mcl, broncos out of the real picture imo.

if ever they were in it that is.

i don't think cutler is stafford's ceiling considering a "down" year for him (this year) is at worst as good as jay cutler. stafford's ceiling is, like, drew brees or something.

oh come on

what? the guy is 24 years old and coming off a year where he threw for 5,000+ yards, 40+ TDs & completed over 60 percent of his passes. jay cutler's best season is NOWHERE near that. his "ceiling" (i.e. the best possible player he could be) is someone who is a top 3 QB in the NFL who threatens single-season all-time passing records. i'm not saying he will be that, but it's definitely possible for him to hit that if he gets better and the talent around him gets better.

stafford's 2011 season is right up there w/ the best of brees' years as a saint. when brees was 24 he threw 11 TDs & 15 INTs for the chargers.

yeah my bad i missed "ceiling", probably cuz you left brees out of the elite tier

well Stafford did have 663 pass attempts that season. Cutler's only had one year even near that (616) and his raw stats look an awful lot like Stafford's. this is pretty much a product of your team always seeming to be in a hole (having the best receiver in the game doesn't hurt either). he still makes the same mistakes over and over. I suppose my use of the word "ceiling" is pretty liberal here but unless he really is being held back by bad coaching or receivers who can't get on the same page I'm not sure where he's going to improve. Cutler on the other hand is a guy I've always maintained has been held back by playing under bad offensive systems with bad receivers; just watch how bad the Bears do without him.

mcgahee mcl, broncos out of the real picture imo.

he's only out 6-8 which means he could return for the playoffs, and Denver's basically locked up a spot already

Also, Peyton usually went deep into the playoffs without any running backs in Indy.

it's not necessarily that stafford is getting held back by bad coaching or receivers (tho maybe it is!). it's more just that players continue to improve over time... i don't think most (if any?) quarterbacks are as good as they'll be as they are at 24 (except maybe like vince young or something).

i wonder if stafford is more of a culpepper type than a brees type, i could see him going one way or another. regardless he was an awful first round pick for me!

would be interesting to see what would happen if you switched Cutler and Stafford, my hunch (obviously) is that Cutler would start putting up huge numbers while Stafford has to grind out a bunch of 13-10 games, but I guess we'll never know

yeah i mean you might be right. that says more about cutler than it does stafford tho imo

stafford was a great pick especially considering that the top 10 of the 09 draft was a rotting nuclear waste plant (jason smith! tyson jackson! aaron curry! mark sanchez! <-- these were the next four picks directly after stafford) & depending on how you feel about various players (orakpo, clay matthews, mike wallace, lesean, percy) you could definitely put stafford in the top 2 or 3 players out of that draft

Cutler's third season, where he had 4,526 yards, 62.3% season compares pretty favorably with Stafford's 5,038 yard, 63.5% season. They both have it in them to sling the ball around a lot, and they both are very susceptible to interceptions. But Stafford's 40+ TDs last year was Breesian for sure. Cutler had never had more than 30 in a season.

Brees has completed ~70% in his last three years so I wouldn't say it's *quite* there but I see what you're saying. That said I'd say Stafford in 2011 found himself in a lot more situations where they absolutely had to throw; after all they did wind up with an NFL record amount of double-digit comeback victories. Also, look at how much of that was from Megatron: 1681 yards, 16 touchdowns.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/11/19/plaxico-burress-heading-to-pittsburgh-may-sign-with-steelers/

I've seen the Steelers play a few times this year. Receiver isn't one of the most pressing problem areas they have. This? Solves nothing.

they don't have a big WR? that's the only thing i can think of

or he's signing cheap

well i think that's a given

yeah i suppose so.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v53mGjWu0F4

lol, never seen that

excuse me, i'll be back after reading the plot summary of "the last boy scout"

it's incredibly classic imo

colin kaepernick is the best backup in the league y/n

but can he shoot the cornerback?

he's playing well so far. impressed. esp vs chicago defense

qb controversy?

i can't imagine there would be any reason for a qb controversy, niners were winning with smith. however on espn there will be one, for sure.

also, buzzfeed should get on this: sad tweets from the official accounts of teams that are losing horribly

@WashWizards
Join in Live Chat for 4th Q as #Wizards attempt to come back from a 20 pt 2nd half deficit

@ChicagoBears
On the first play of the drive, Jason Campbell is sacked. for a 6-yard loss. Tweeting these updates has not been fun. #Bears #CHIvsSF

Third stringer time

Wait, Campbell's staying in

not for long if the bears line has anything to say about it

"It's fumbled forward.. and that describes the Bears' night. One big mess."

there's a penalty for "illegal batting"??

chicago o line is a disaster

yeah I mean that's basically it, I do think they're playing him like an elite QB when he's really not and it results in games like this where he misses wide open guys or has to rely too much on jump balls to Megatron (which generally seem to work out). the Lions in general are really not there yet, you don't have to be Bill Barnwell to know that a team that built a 10-6 record on ridiculous double-digit 4th quarter comebacks is going to regress some. they're not beating the crap out of anyone this year like they did last year either. Stafford plays at elite level from time to time but as everyone's seeming to notice now he only really seems to bring it in the 4th when he's needed the most, probably because he comes out so flat, every game.

one thing I don't understand is why the Packers ran so much against them. I get that the Packers are desperately trying to get their run game going but they haven't had a run game in forever and the Lions are a great team to throw against, I dunno wtf Buck and Troy were talking about saying that the Lions pass defense was elite or whatever, they give up more ridiculous 50+ yard TD plays than anyone.

― frogbs, Monday, November 19, 2012 10:54 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark

i feel like you're trolling me specifically by using 'bill barnwell' as shorthand for 'guy who knows what hes talking about'

was thinking more as "a guy who talks about regression a lot" but I think in general he does know what he's talking about, what's your problem with him?

it's kind of hilarious to see that the Bears O line is simply terrible and not passive-aggressively letting people pummel Cutler

The fact that Ed Reed got suspended for a game is a total farce.

RIP Aaron Curry, dropped from the roster of one of the worst defenses in football.

@RapSheet
Wow. Ted Cottrell lifts Ed Reed's suspension, fines him just $50,000 fine. Guess that's why there is an appeals process.

Farce averted!

Justice for Ed Reed.

RIP Aaron Curry, dropped from the roster of one of the worst defenses in football.

Knees are completely shot apparently

"It's fumbled forward.. and that describes the Bears' night. One big mess."

there's a penalty for "illegal batting"??

Yeah because of the Holy Roller

I was so stunned by the highlights of the Bears o-Line gettin pummeled. Crazy to see multiple linemen getting bowled over like that.

it's the bears

Also weird to see people ripping Campbell considering the circumstances

yeah. i mean he's not very good but they've also played 2 of the best defenses in the NFL & w/o jeffery their WR looks really bad again