Week XI: The Browns Control Their Own Destiny or: How I Stopped Worrying About Flacco's Bomb

Cleveland at Cincinnati
Some other games

a+ title

extra marks for refusing the acknowledge the sport or year

http://printableteamschedules.com/images/nfl/nflweek11schedule.gif

you could make a reasonable case for every visiting team winning, with the possible exception of minnesota

Not sure Atlanta has another win in them this year.

no they just don't look like hey can score pts rn

they switched the pack/nyg game out of primetime in favor of den/kc fyi

phew

I dunno how the conference/network alignment works, but now CBS doesn't have a late game and Fox has an extra?

yea cbs moved the bolts/fins game to 4

Last week 8-6, season 100-47

Colts @ Titans – Wow, the Colts just look a bit tired and beat up. I still got to think Indy wins this one though.
Jets @ Bills – I’ll take the Jets, but I don’t trust them.
Ravens @ Bears – This is a pickem game. Probably fugly. I’ll take Chicago at home.
Browns @ Bengals – These games go either way. I’ll take the Bengals at home.
Raiders @ Texans – Both of these teams are a mess. I’ll go with the Texans.
Cards @ Jags – Cards
Chargers @ Dolphins – I don’t like either club, but I will take the Chargers.
Wash. @ Philly – Eagles, as they seem to be on a bit of a roll.
Lions @ Steelers – Lions
Falcons @ Bucs – I’d think Atlanta, but who knows.
KC @ Denver – This is the big one. Wow…I guess Denver in a nailbiter.
Niners @ Saints – Another interesting game, I’ll take SF.
Vikings @ Seattle – Seahawks at home.
Pack @ Giants – Wow the Pack are beat up. I’ll take them to win though.
NE @ Carolina – Another interesting matchup…I’ll still take the Pats.

i'd be surprised if KC/Denver was a nailbiter. peyton is still playing right?

On two bad ankles. And an upper spine that could probably still turn loose of his head at any moment.

i am excited to see what the chiefs defense does in this game, but peyton is definitely playing at a level right now where you have to score a certain number of points to beat him, and that is not really the kc gameplan. they are going to have to do something special to limit the damage. they could do worse than go back and watch the '10 superbowl.

On two bad ankles. And an upper spine that could probably still turn loose of his head at any moment.

― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, November 13, 2013 1:00 AM (10 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

If any team was capable of doing it, its the one they are about to play.

yup. i don't think kc is as good as sd, but this is a terrible terrible matchup for denver's offense. if manning stays in though, i sorta don't see how denver doesn't get 30 pts. that'll be hard for dilfer to do afaict.

yup. i don't think kc is as good as sd

seriously?

all i can say is that if kc wins a superbowl this year i will be furious

what if they make it to the superbowl but lose due to clock management issues

idk if niners can put up enough points to withstand a brees assault.

if they make it to the superbowl but lose due to clock management issues that will make my heart lol

i know everyone is sick of this but this is amazing

http://www.leonardpierce.com/blog/2013/11/12/terror-incognito-or-the-haze-of-war/

Packers tight end Jermichael Finley will undergo spinal cord fusion surgery, according to his agent

that's what peyton had right? so he'll be out a long while if he comes back at all. horrible.

Yeah, he'll be out indefinitely. And I think his kids and family will probably sway him from returning (they'd already said as much with his previous injury).

part of me is hoping he doesn't try to come back, as much as it sucks given how well he was playing before he got hurt!

I'm curious to see what KC will do this weekend against Denver. I'd probably be thinking more KC if it was in Arrowhead, as that place gets real noisy but the game is in Denver. KC's got some talent on defense, especially at linebacker. That said, they haven't played any of the high powered passing games except Dallas, who it seems they were able to keep the big play from happening. They got the Chargers and then the Broncos again at home the two next weeks, so this is a big three weeks for KC.

Todd Christensen had a great set of hands. The guy had a couple of 90+ catch seasons when that was a really crazy thing to do. I remember watching him on the Tom Flores era Raiders teams.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/report-former-raiders-tight-end-todd-christensen-dies-184147843--nfl.html

spinal fusion surgery, not spinal cord fusion, no one wants that.

free energy forever tho

that's cold

the joy of ilx: nerd lolz in the football thread

http://www.leonardpierce.com/blog/2013/11/12/terror-incognito-or-the-haze-of-war/

This was really good. lots to relate to there. when I first saw those text messages and voicemails from Incognito I thought that it really wasn't much different to things people have said to me (if you replace the n-word with "dirty Jew"). Some people just seemed to get off on being nasty on the field (but are generally nice otherwise) while others are a little more sinister, the type with the same kind of upbringing as this guy, who are told from birth to go sock someone in the mouth. I'm guessing there are guys like Incognito at all levels of football, and maybe a bunch more in the military too. Football just seems to harbor that sort of thing. You really can't even make it through a full practice without getting pissed at somebody.

Ed Reed is a Jet.

EDREED! EDREED! EDREED IS A JET.

http://www.realcrash.com/images/elton-john-benny-and-the-jets.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Le-Yo-Xb5qs#t=88

That is pretty damn awesome, would like to have seen the first part of the clip.

lolz how did Spergon Wynn get on there

hmm

Minnesota Vikings

Following the 2000 season, September 3, 2001, Wynn was traded to the Minnesota Vikings, along with RB Travis Prentice, in exchange for draft picks in the 2002 and 2003 NFL drafts. Wynn was a third string backup to Daunte Culpepper and Todd Bouman in the 2001 and 2002 seasons and played in the last three games of the 2001 season, starting two of them. This was due to season-ending injuries to both Culpepper and Bouman.

I remember being mad at Spergon Wynn for not beating the Ravens in the season finale in 2001, because if he had, my Dolphins would have played the Seahawks in the wild card match instead of the Ravens, which would have been a better matchup for us.

i dunno, randy might be thinking of the great Todd Bouman. lord who is Todd Bouman, a name that does not ring any bells?

ha! i remember throwing a fit because the Colts started Jim Sorgi in the 2nd half and resting Manning in week 16 when the Browns needed a Colts victory to go to the playoffs in 07

Jim Sorgi!

jim fucking sorgi

don't get me started on jim sorgi

Todd Bouman was Culpepper's backup. I remember he got a few starts. god QBs were so bad in that day and age that when Alex Van Pelt did pretty good in relief of Rob Johnson one year they were about to make him an extension offer and make him the starter until Bledsoe became available.

i can barely watch andy reid talk w/out getting irrationally angry

Maybe you need to call a couple time outs to think about it. (Ha!)

Lord Todd "God" Bouman... was a big idol to yokel racist motherfuckers who didn't think Duante had "leadership abilities" or wasn't a "student of the game" or whatever euphemisms it was

Man glad to see some obscure Vikings ITT. Wanna talk Waswaa Serwanga?

^now just making shit up

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wasswa_Serwanga

i guess he's a bank vice president now!

steve dils was the TRUTH

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Dils

you thought walter payton was good? wait til you get a load of his brother eddie!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eddie_Payton

Fuad Reveiz!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwWdA-o04sg

donald igwebuike the kicker who may have been involved in a heroin smuggling ring!

http://articles.baltimoresun.com/1991-04-16/sports/1991106025_1_igwebuike-heroin-phone-conversations

I got to say, I really do like the style of offense the Colts are running.

donald brown being better than trent richardson right now, i gotta say, this is one of my favourite things in football

Yeah, Richardson absolutely sucks right now.

Yeah, I can't be an apologist for that guy anymore. The only rb out of Alabama actually still playing like he did at Alabama is Eddie Lacy, who didn't even go until the second round.

Can't really give up on Richardson though, as Donald Brown didn't look this good for the most part until now. The Colt offense when it's clicking works, but they kind of have fits and starts.

Luck at times seems to do that Favre thing where he throws the ball so hard it sails on him and cuts down a bit of his accuracy.

pittsburgh look like they aren't wearing pants

ive complained about this before but wtf why must vermont get every new york football team game, why cant we just get the same stuff as boston, i want to watch sf/nola so much

http://i.imgur.com/udGGr79.png

wtf did poor southern maine do its not even near ny

one of the annoying things abt living in ny was having two teams that took up broadcast slots every week, and while obvs im psyched to watch pats games now i have three, the chances of getting a good out of market game during the day are so low and sad

foles running TD~~~!!!!

literally there is one good day game today and they are not showing it

yeah that's annoying

antonio brown is maybe the best player on the steelers

in protest im going to do something constructive this afternoon maybe

hope nantz is killed by this tornado

looks like a nice day to sit outdoors for 3 hours

are the eagles just really good?

:/ i feel bad that no one at houston has told case keenum that they have given up on the season

well they did put up a touchdown on the http://images.chron.com/blogs/askacat/hatcat.JPG in only one quarter so yes definately xp

lol

broooowns

nick vick

oh hatcat

whoa celek turned on the jets there

whatwhatwhatwhat celek!!!

bucs killing it. td followed by surprise onside kick recovered

that is the cheesesteak defense

omg bucs trick play, one of the worst things i have ever seen. schiano is trying to win back the hearts and minds here.

14 of bengals' 21 points from blocked punts

ike taylor trying to cover calvin johnson is the saddest thing

i'm not even watching the second half of this washington game

browns/bengals it is

i assembled a standing lamp

nine dollars of elegance

lions cant run their offense from the 1 yd line

staff put up 267 passing yds in a qtr or something is that the most ever

@ESPNStatsInfo: The Bengals scored 31 points in the first half ... yet they only have 3 first downs

breaking news: Raiders have players named Bullock & Swearingen. We ARE your 2013 Deadwood Raiders

ha cocksucker wow

p sure calamity jane is our coach iirc

I got to say this is pretty much a typical Bengals/Browns game. Fugly football and someone will win.

Andy Dalton has turned to crud though in the past month or so. He's making mistake throws left and right. I got to wonder if he has hurt his throwing hand or something.

wait nvm swearingen is a texan

i am disappoint

falcons look good

jets positioning themselves for that wildcard spot

While we have had a bunch of laughs on the Bucs behalf (very deservedly so), I have to wonder if they crawl back enough to have Greg Schiano keep his job for another season. The thing I have noticed is a lot of the ex-coach commentators (Billick & Gruden) and even Belichick seem to be kind of impressed by the dude as a coach or at least by what he did at Rutgers.

Oh hey Matt Schaub

lol

it's nice to not be the team booing for a change

the freeman situation was difficult but there aren't too many ways schiano could've handled it worse. he pretty much singlehandedly turned it into a circus. he seems to have some talent as a coach on the field. maybe he will learn from what happened this season. i'll give him this, i can't believe that he has got this team playing. that seems like a big deal after the way things started.

i think the bengals have 4 first downs in this game

this is why the lions will always be the lions

http://images.chron.com/blogs/askacat/hatcat.JPG

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lol @ J E T S what is happening over there

TOP OF THE BEAST

Have you guys already laughed/boggled at Pittsburgh's uniforms? I got a late start today.

steeler uniforms are just ridiculous

they ought to mix up hideous throwbacks and additional neon highlighter accessories weeks (not just pink)

also did calvin johnson have 0 catches in the second half and STILL finish with 179 yards and 2 TDs? did i read that right?

the stripeyness is kind of fascinating when all the linemen are crouched down in a row

hah xpost

i didn't know about the uniforms until after the washington/philly game ended

hi the raiders won & we are not the team melting down on camera

lol @ steelerbees

wu tang steeler beez

oh god why did i look at that replay of the greer injury

mike glennon stat line was booming - 20 of 23 for 231y and 2td

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BZTLAZICAAAcrK9.jpg

what is it?

andre ellington's hair

lol i thought it was a lobster

RIP Terrelle Pryor era. Still time to switch to WR imo.

"they ought to mix up hideous throwbacks and additional neon highlighter accessories weeks (not just pink)"

Make it so! The Carolina Panthers should invent an 80s throwback and get all Zubas out in their uniform. It's obvious they still dig the style on the logo.

http://cdn.sportstalksc.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Carolina-Panthers.gif

bengals were 1-14 on third down converions

Kubiak benching Keenum is unbelievable. Texans fiasco of a season reaches new depths.

carolina panthers need some official JNCO jorts to go with that logo
zubaz is for the bills and the gronkowskis

if i were the type to throw theme parties (or any kind of parties).. or better yet if i owned a sports bar, i would have a costume party where everyone has to dress as a throwback NFL fan, team + era of your choice

Panthers and San Jose Sharks are the iconic Starter jackets

huh
just noticed that during the local news break at halftime, the DC fox affiliate had a brief update on the loss by "washington's football team" and "washington's team" and didn't say the name of the team at all

rivers was told by a romany fortune teller that if he ever throws the ball away his first born will die. i assume.

So we can't beat the Bucs but we beat the Chargers. I'll take it.

Miami's defense is overrated in that they give up a lot of big plays, but the secondary had a good game today. Also, despite my hatred of Mike Sherman, the decision to run most running plays out of the gun with that makeshift line was a solid decision.

Also, the Cards are 6-4! wow!

Tannehill had a very nice day today as well.

schaub & johnson sideline beef was p O_o (also lol)

what kind of dummy gets called for fair catch interference in a tie game

I suppose at some point in my life I'll be able to not watch Christian Ponder play football... Someday

"Panthers and San Jose Sharks are the iconic Starter jackets"

You know there is some guy in Charlotte that has an 8 Ball Carolina Panthers jacket. It must exist.

hahahah you are so right

what about jacksonville? i'm thinking a flashy motorcycle jacket with streamers on the arms like macho man randy savage used to wear

nice to see a meaningful NFL game

2 in a row no less

also nice to see p manning fuck up a handoff

pretty dece tackle by peyty there

lol

kcc probably want to not ignore gifts like that if they want to win this

dafuq

yeah it was kinda funny to hear the broadcasting crew talk about how KC's stiff D forced a fumble that was clearly just a bad exchange

hahahaha perfectly timed, right after they talked about the 17 plays for 50 yards to that point

KC's defense had been legit up to that drive tho

o I know it's just it seems like everytime Collingsworth makes any emphatic statement the game winds up contradicting him moments later.

typical Smith throw, go to the guy who's bottled up and ignore the wide open receiver. bailed out by the D tho

houstonprofootball.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BZTfdmbIUAAcjI2.jpg

terrible fucking call

Robbie Gould by default has to be one of the best bad weather kickers in the past couple decades. The guy is pretty much money on short kicks.

wow what a drop by Bowe

call is a fucking joke

running out of bounds on a hail mary play is very Alex Smith

that montage of welker vs. flowers was amazing

i think someone needs to tell the chiefs that these downfield shots aren't gonna work

Robbie Gould by default has to be one of the best bad weather kickers in the past couple decades. The guy is pretty much money on short kicks.

― earlnash, Sunday, November 17, 2013 9:30 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

OTm. That dude is geld.

so many penalties in this game

shitty game

chiefs are boring broncos are good one millions penalties w/e

jdr would rather put this in the hands of the defense than peyton manning. huh.

now as a gif

http://s3.amazonaws.com/br-cdn/temp_images/2013/11/17/babin.gif

CBS This Morning ‏@CBSThisMorning 38m
"I listen to more talk radio than anyone, I think I love the pain… I need to cry a little bit," says @DallasCowboys owner / GM Jerry Jones

lol @ hair fling

something so gladiatorial about it. also, gross.

i feel like hes kind of saying 'everyone said this would happen and now it has i hope youre happy'

Only three teams (Carolina, Houston, Seattle) are surrendering less than 300 yds/game to opponents. Eight are surrendering less than 100 yds rushing/game.

Pass happy season!

running is passe

did we talk about how the jets apparently spent saturday night in buffalo at a dave and buster's?

mark sanchez didn't play any games but still wound up with 8 million tickets

rip thomas howard

http://www.sfgate.com/default/article/2-dead-including-ex-Raider-in-Oakland-wreck-4991107.php

:(

also that's some crash. 100mph? jezus

Only three teams (Carolina, Houston, Seattle) are surrendering less than 300 yds/game to opponents. Eight are surrendering less than 100 yds rushing/game.

Pass happy season!

― Lesbian has fucking riffs for days (Neanderthal), Monday, November 18, 2013 2:49 PM (8 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I had no idea that Houston's D was still that good. Makes McGloin's performance more impressive.

lol @ chandler jones saying brady's outfit looks like something his dad would wear to church

kind of excited about this game you guys

should be a good one

taliiiiiib

that was almost offensive pass interference wasn't it?

o_O at talib losing his shit in the first quarter

hopefully it is a plan to make steve smith punch someone, which is reasonable

dang

somebody is totally going to get thrown out of this game

logan ryan was so far behind lafell. i'm not convinced all the blitzing is the right approach here. one of the things i like most about cam is that he doesn't flinch at all under pressure.

oh boy

oh, ridley

he's so good but it's almost not worth it

each ne drive killed by characteristic errors by otherwise good players: mankins with the big penalty, ridley with the fumble, solder doesn't know who he's blocking

fumble, offensive pers foul, patriots aren't winning this

Why hasn't anyone told ESPN that nothing in 2013 should ever be named Gruden's Grinders?

lol

lol at djp, not charles johnson. ouch at charles johnson.

yeah the audible screaming as they went to commercial was :/

"roll montanaaaaargh"

why are the pats so obsessed with power running tonight?

i guess it's kinda working

so i was out in the suburbs this weekend & had like 2 hours to kill before a movie screening

google maps found a wine bar nearby so i went there & it was part of a chain, it is probably described as 'upscale' like the marketing guys who invented it realized there were lots of people with money who wanted to 'get into' wine but felt uncomfortable going to places that weren't part of a chain and excessively friendly

and i was thinking THIS GUY who is so enthusiastic talking about flights of wine at this place totally reminds me of jon gruden. welcome to our humble abode! don't be intimidated! what can we get for you? i was kind of grumpy when i got there & then was like, this is awesome, the sommelier is jon gruden

yeah that's not the worst thing

GRONK

badass

great play by cam slow-playing the defense and then making the throw

that was. i haven't watched newton play in at least a year iirc

fuck

cameron newton

that's some evolutionary roethlisberger shit

would be unbelievable if it wasn't so believable. pass rushers just get the red mist when they are so deep in the backfield. very poor awareness.

like, i think it was chandler jones - you just have to stand still with your arms wide dude. don't make the first move. any hesitation and cam is toast.

mike tolbert is strong

yup. good try mccourty

hey vince <3

god what i wouldn't give to have vince out there

smith is not winning vs talib all the time, but when he does it is with sick route running and cuts. so good to watch.

yeah he's a master, aqib is prob a little rusty, what're you gonna do

good drive in the end but it should've been over a long time ago

This Panthers team is pretty compelling

i think i like what carolina does on offense, it's conservative but they mix it up and call smart situational plays

yeah they can just do a lot with the ball, so i am not surprised they have all these long drives and possessions.

my guess is ne plan was to try to keep it tight early and then test the dodgy secondary later in the game when maybe the rush has lost some zip (and, it turns out, players). i think we see brady look downfield more now.

possession time not possessions

altho if they keep playing a light box, the run will be there. i read something about how carolina is really a base 6 man front anyway. i guess when you have a great d line and a beast at mlb you can get away with that.

do feel pats need to speed things up. carolina benefits if there are fewer possessions...ok, that works

kt weclome back bro!!

if the panthers aren't getting pressure they have a lot of probs

both sacks so far have been off bad individual errors on the pats' line

yeah i noticed that, pressure from front 4 not really working out

ne haven't had their turnover yet. 36 game streak on the line.

almost...

cool having vereen back

why you throwing on 3rd and 1 mcd

yeah they couldve run it there, blount was on a roll

gotta go for that 1 yard imo

and yeah, reminder here how good vereen is and how much they have missed that

how much does belichick hate qbs who can run?

olson could've been holding mccourty, hard to tell

panthers not moving the chains on early downs but doing a good job keeping out of 3rd and long

dammit not much there but you can't even give the appearance of a hold

really good game. there have not been a lot of those this year.

yeah, can't remember too many good mnfs. altho speaking of, we should watch that hawks saints game

always like to see chandler jones play a sideline zone

ted fucking ginn

jesus christ

boom. ted ginn finally catches a pass and what do you know.

horrible tackling arrington good grief

omg kyle what were you thinking

aw i'm seeing cass mccombs the night of seahawks/saints

we gotta do a red zone sunday at least

for sure

really, you don't have a quick out there?

dang brady

phew

okay, let's say that's all of the shit plays out of the way this drive okay?

yeah needed to catch that

Clock operator's shaded about 5 seconds over the last minute, including 5 sex after the Ginn TD.

Secs even

draaaaaama

oh lord

what do you mean no foul

jesus

not catchable

yeah fair

idk couldnt gronk have come back and adjusted

game was lost on that 4 and 1. actually on that 3 and 1.

whatever, not the worst loss

yeah i thought gronk could've come back to the ball if he wasn't shoved then tackled in the other direction

wtf

I'm really glad Carolina won but how was that not some kind of defensive foul

Guys that game was just wow

i mean there's that game and there's indy/denver, were there any other amazing games this year?

god damn I wish they'd left Brady's mic on at the end there

gronk had no chance of coming back through two players for that pass. it might have been PI but only on the strictest technicality so ehhhhhh, panthers won it rightfully imo

bill shouldn't have kicked

agree that the panthers deserved the w

agree that i want the 'sound fx' show where you get to hear all the real trash talk & brady yelling 'that's f***ing bullshit' at the refs etc

i think it is okay not to call the foul but once the flag went down picking it up is a bad look when there is any doubt. it just makes the game seem like it was decided by the officials and it was too good a game for that. i hope that isn't the storyline out of the game.

pats-saints was obv major

broncos-cowboys was pretty massive, saints-niners was pretty good/controversial last week

http://images.chron.com/blogs/askacat/hatcat.JPG-chargers and eagles-chargers but no one was watching those

maybe it's not PI but I'm shocked it wasn't holding or illegal contact or something. kinda stupid to bear hug Gronk like that but I agree that Carolina deserved it

also I think it's hard to say whether or not Gronk would've had a play on the ball. he was held for a while.

hey now i watched the hatcats chargers game

man belichick is PISSED

i don't think it will be the storyline much as espn will try.

i mean i know what the rules are but mostly i'm pissed that regardless of the throw kuechly's interference was unbelievably blatant, like could you even try to play legal pass defense?

i love belichick's 'i saw what you saw' -> saying 'let the league explain it, this is bullshit' without actually saying it

illegal contact and holding both have to be before the pass. and PI the ball has to be catchable, and in the circumstances you can't say for sure either decision would be wrong. but yeah changing the decision is the worst option.

fwiw i am gonna disagree and say that panthers didn't really deserve to win on the balance of play, but they are def a good team.

jesus i haven't seen bill like this in ages

the assembled media can't even bring themselves to ask a question, they are too scared

this is terrific tv

"didn't get one tonight [an explanation from the officials], didn't get one in the baltimore game, guess that's the way we do it"

between the mccourty call and the kuechly noncall i don't love the way this ended but it was entertaining.

mccourty was pretty blatant i have no idea what he was complaining about

I don't think you can hold anymore than McCourty did there

i want to see it again, on the replay it did look like olson was holding him

i didn't see the personal foul on mankins, did he punch someone in the face?

looking at rest of sched, i think indy should take the 2nd afc bye with a win or two to spare. altho they have been crazy inconsistent

colts
@ Arizona
vs Tennessee
@ Cincinnati
vs Houston
@ Kansas City
vs Jacksonville

patriots
vs Denver
@ Houston
vs Cleveland
@ Miami
@ Baltimore
vs Buffalo

if brady had just thrown that ball a little deeper they wouldve had to call the pass interference, oh well w/e p cool game in its own way, not a whole lot of possessions lot of clock chewing going on

jesus i haven't seen bill like this in ages

― call all destroyer, Monday, November 18, 2013 11:50 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

didnt watch the press conference but saw it compared to both tarkovsky and lars von trier films on tweets

yes those tweets were accurate

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BZaHGV2IgAAsIwv.jpg

gronk couldve come back if he wasn't getting a nice big hug

id like to see another angle to check if gronk was looking at the ball forlornly

tom is wearing an outstanding sport coat

pats could easily sweep that remaining schedule tbh

funny thing about getting the three seed from the pats perspective is that they'd be likely to face either the dolphins (rightfully no pats fan would think twice about the pats crushing miami) or the jets (every pats fan would be shitting his pants)

there's a good chance neither miami or the jets makes it in. next week jets @ bmore is basically huge. ravens have 3 winnable games at home coming up that would get them to 7-6. and miami and the jets have to play each other twice yet.

but yeah, adding bmore to the mix does not help new england's cause. that is 3 potential matchups out of 4 (inc. kansas city) for their first playoff game where basically they need the opposition offense to lose the game. all for the eventual reward of being one score ahead at the start of the 4th quarter vs the broncos and then losing by 21 points.

@AlbertBreer: Asked Steve Smith what happened w/Talib. "You're gonna have to ask him. He didn't finish the game. Ice up, son."

week 12 - ice up, son

otm

Pretty into this

http://www.brownscast.com/podcast/2015/7/10/episode-1-joe-thomas