NFL 2013 WEEK XII: Ice up, son!

New Orleans at Atlanta
Pittsburgh at Cleveland
Tampa Bay at Detroit
Minnesota at Green Bay
Jacksonville at Houston
N.Y. Jets at Baltimore
San Diego at Kansas City
Chicago at St. Louis
Carolina at Miami
Indianapolis at Arizona
Tennessee at Oakland
Dallas at N.Y. Giants
Denver at New England
San Francisco at Washington

these seem like the interesting games w/ playoff relevance:

Pittsburgh at Cleveland - winner of this is kinda sorta still in it
Tampa Bay at Detroit - tampa have played very well 3 weeks in a row. seems like a horrible banana skin for detroit hoping to win that divison
N.Y. Jets at Baltimore
San Diego at Kansas City - i think now that san diego has decided to lose every week they have played themselves out of contention but this should be the last rites
Carolina at Miami - miami kind of have to win this
Indianapolis at Arizona - really interesting matchup, which is weird because one of the teams is arizona
Dallas at N.Y. Giants - terrible game obv but a giants loss surely puts an end to their resurrection
Denver at New England

Indianapolis at Arizona - really interesting matchup, which is weird because one of the teams is arizona

yeah this is otm

im curious if the resdkins, @ home and in primetime can do enough/anything to give the 9ers a game; prob not but who knows

also chi/stl is mildly interesting - ramz need to give tavon austin the full percy harvin treatment & get him like a dozen plus touches a game but maybe thats too much for schottenheimer to figure out

Last week a Wayne Fonte's 7-8, for season 107-55

New Orleans at Atlanta - Last week I missed on both of these clubs. Saints pulled one out last week and the Falcons really kinda suck. Saints should walk but this has become a rivalry game, so I think ATL should come out and play with some pride. Definitely a matchup that shows a complete flip for these two teams a year later.
Pittsburgh at Cleveland - That Steelers/Lions game first half was pure Techmo bowl. I got to say the Pittsburgh defense came out and played with some pride in the second half or the Lions O was tired from all that running around in the first half. It's sad that the Browns are so absolutely sad at QB as for the second year in a row, their defense is really, really good. You put Alex Smith on this club and they are a playoff team. The game is passing and if you don't have at least a competent passing game, you are not any good.
Tampa Bay at Detroit- Bucs QB put up a heck of a stat line. Let's see him do it a again. Well Detroit is definitely better than the old days, but this club seems to have a knack of pulling a loss out of victories jaw. Lions should win, they have to be a more talented club but I'd believe it if the Bucs give them a good game.
Minnesota at Green Bay - GB is pretty much the illustration on how much a QB means. Packers with Rodgers are one of the best clubs in football even with their skills players hobbled. Without Mr. Discount Double-Check they suck. I'll take GB to win, as they have to keep any playoff business happening. Minnesota - same thing as other clubs - no decent QB - you suck.
Jacksonville at Houston - Jville's just got problems. Houston is a mess and really injured, but they still should win. Jville's best shot to get a win left maybe.
N.Y. Jets at Baltimore- Bmore is really ugly, but they should win this one.
San Diego at Kansas City - Chiefs.
Chicago at St. Louis- Bears but that Ram defense can be a grinder. Turnovers in this game will be big with 2 backup QBs going.
Carolina at Miami- Panthers should and need to win. That said, they got to prove they can go execute this kind of game on the road with regularity. The good clubs get the job done nearly every week.
Indianapolis at Arizona- This is a good game and I hope it is on TV around here. Cards finally got smart and got them a decent QB which made their offense competent and with some of the talent they had on defense now they are a contender. Indy's D is solid but can get grinded on a bit. The offense seems to start slow but when they got it rolling, they just eat the clock and wear out defenses. I'm going Indy as a homer.
Tennessee at Oakland - Who knows. I can't figure either of these clubs. I guess Titans.
Dallas at N.Y. Giants - I'm going Giants as I really would rather hear a bunch of Cowboys not living up to expectations instead of Cowboys win a big one in a major market stories on ESPN.
Denver at New England- Whew...NFL really does know what it is doing on the tv schedule. I'm going NE more on them getting beat and needing a win. You know when you are a fan of a club over a player when the player leaves the club you wanted then goes to another team and you just don't fell compelled to follow the player.
San Francisco at Washington- Niners will grind Washington into the dust or Harbaugh is going to freak out and start destroying things. Basically you take out Kaepernicks running game and he's just not that productive.

Chicago at St. Louis- Bears but that Ram defense can be a grinder. Turnovers in this game will be big with 2 backup QBs going.

McCown and Clemens have both been playing better than several starters in the league, imo.

Yeah, I got to wonder after watching so many young QBs totally crash and burn whether you will see more vets around to get some work. The thing is the money has gotten so out of wack, clubs really can't take two QBs that make much money.

It's not totally unusual for a QB to figure it out later in a career. Rich Gannon is probably the last one that went from journeyman to really great.

I cant believe McCown but then again Trestman is some sort of QB guru. Bears got so lucky last week with the whole division tanking.

some wednesday iggles reading:

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/10001087/connor-barwin-philadelphia-eagles-linebacker-nfl-hipster
http://www.phillymag.com/birds247/2013/11/20/andrews-time-eagles-living-hell/

This is pretty great.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-films-presents/0ap2000000284904/NFL-Films-Presents-Yours-truly-Dr-Z

good eagles links, barwin seems like a bro

wow, amazing vid, polyphonic

“We as officials have always been taught, for a ball to be uncatchable, it has to be clearly out of the field of play or it has to be a kind of — I probably shouldn’t say this — a Tim Tebow-type pass that lands 15 yards in front of you,” Daopoulus said.

Excellent.

xp to Dr. Z video

but also to that quote.

The only question I have about that Dr. Z thing is ... how did he write his interior monologue if he can't write or speak?

That Dr. Z film is one of the best things I have ever seen by NFL Films.

He didn't. His wife probably worked with a couple writers and ran stuff by him until a script was settled on.

It really sounds like him.

I met Dr. Z and his wife pre-stroke at a bar/restaraunt. He was surprised i recognized him. I lobbed all sorts of questions at him about what he'd seen throughout his years in the NFL, it was a phenomenal experience for me. He was picking up takeout and i was just drinking, but he was really into the conversation and i learned a ton. I think he had the stroke about a year later. I was devastated when i heard it, this guy was great.

I guess Jerry Jones said that Garrett will be back next year. I figure you can look at it a couple ways.

1. Jerry Jones really is the head coach, the offense has been good so Garrett returns.
2. This is just the crazy thing Jerry sez before he fires you and goes try to hire someone else.

Any time an owner mentions a coach's employment status, good or bad, it's bad.

2. This is just the crazy thing Jerry sez before he fires you and goes try to hire someone else.

This is not really how Jerry works

How the fuck was that not a penalty. Clearly a face mask by hicks. He should be fucking shot

Fucking bullshit

Jimmy graham should have his fucking fire bush balls cut off

just saw this: http://espn.go.com/blog/philadelphia-eagles/post/_/id/2137/vick-how-can-you-take-foles-out

I have to admit, Michael Vick 2.0 is a fucking team player if I've ever seen one.

Darius Johnson just abusing the corner taking the place of Jabari Greer

That is a pro attitude by Michael Vick. Then again, this is a guy that knows that perhaps getting benched for a player that is doing well is not the worst thing that can happen to you as an NFL player. The guy is also 33 and has some wear on his body. Even if you don't make him your primary QB, the guy is still pretty decent player and could be used in some really interesting ways for a clever coach like Chip Kelly.

successful frozen kicker alert

The falcons o-line is historically inept. Ice is gonna get killed one of these games.

Also, Arthur blank, you seem like a good guy, but get the fuck off the field.

The Dr Z monologue is a nice recreation of his voice, but it's not him, it's a projection of what he might want to say.

He's way too aphasic to explain what he's trying to say (or even acknowledge reliably whether someone's guess is reliably correct) when he says "when-when-when". The bit where that's subtitled to present his memories of 1956, as if that's what he's trying to say, is dishonest -- there'd be no way for him to communicate anything that complex and abstract using a monosyllable.

Judging from his right sided weakness (decreased right facial movements, inability to move the right hand) he's had a big stroke in the territory of the left MCA. Some aphasics are nearly mute but have mostly preserved comprehension (Broca's aphasia), but comprehension usually tracks the ability to read (and they say he can't), so he's almost certainly got severe global aphasia.

Patients like this can often say "yes" or "no" but don't usually do so reliably enough to communicate. If I ask them a series of questions ("is this a post office? is this an airport? is this a hospital?") all in the same tone of voice, their "yes" and "no" answers are not accurate. Families tend to believe their loved ones can understand more than that (because they communicate non-verbally, both in expression and understanding, and are motivated to interpret their answers as charitably as possible). Even then, most of them would hesitate to attribute an entire essay to the patient as if it was his or her own voice.

Not sure I'm happy with the way this is presented (especially the "don't pity me" ending). It probably gives false hope to other families facing this (terrible) situation.

Yeah that's what I was worried about. Still, it's nice to see he's doing relatively well.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/wp/2013/11/22/fritz-pollard-alliance-urges-nfl-players-to-stop-using-n-word/

It's Buttfumble Day!

http://deadspin.com/where-were-you-when-the-buttfumble-happened-1469823637

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/10019824/nfl-suspends-umpire-roy-ellison-1-game-incident-trent-williams-washington-http://images.chron.com/blogs/askacat/hatcat.JPG

this ref really got gipped huh

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ArWVQMFDiAA/UpJA0X2yjdI/AAAAAAAADzQ/FveBgdo8N-g/s400/tav1.gif

scott tolzien awesome td scramble

wow great play xp

Rams now up 14! Today I am rooting against Chicago, Detroit and Green Bay.

Omfg Wallace today. And the D!

The one time I root for the chargers the refs decide they will just fuck them over and over

tiquan underwood is having himself a day

tampa really are gonna win in detroit

well i put the curse on that

Dave Wannstedt is a special teams c

-oach now?!

Flynn to Boykin TD

any guesses as to total # of picks in dallas/nyg game?

i'm hoping 6+

wow buccs lions ending i was not expecting

and now vikings/packs tied??

yeah giants dallas, esp with the weather, that is going to be a circus. couldn't find a line on interceptions but romo o/u on completions is 23.5 and the under is a serious consideration there

also i don't think it is unfair to lol @ minnesota

incredible endings to some of these games

san diego putting 34 on kcc is superb but how do you allow 37 vs that offense??

refs needed to throw a flag on that second to last fins play then pick it up

roffles now 16-1 against the brownies

wow josh gordon totally went off in garbage time

woah chargers

amazing

chiefs gettin schooled in the division

tons of amazing finishes today. vikings/packers game especially dramatic

Think I posted a few weeks ago I wasn't sure if chefs better than chargers. Yup.

refs needed to throw a flag on that second to last fins play then pick it up

― seriously, THIS GUY (daria-g), Sunday, November 24, 2013 4:23 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol.

my Fins totally deserved to lose this one, but I am eternally damning Cam to the annals of NFL hell for the fucking NBA-style flop he pulled to earn an undeserved extra 15 yards in the final minutes.

a tie!

VIKINGS SEASON SAVED

lol

grateful to see the browns eliminated from post season again. my sundays are now my own.

now i get to see a barrage of cowboys/giants games for the rest of the year, i think they play 11 times a season

Think I posted a few weeks ago I wasn't sure if chefs better than chargers. Yup.

To be fair, they lost Houston and Hali pretty early in the game. Woulda been a different outcome

arizona killing indy jeez

VIKINGS TIES FROM HERE ON OUT, MARK MY WORDS

googled andrew schmuck but i guess it's a real name

Whoever wins between Oakland and Tennessee will be 5-6, and in a six-way tie for the sixth playoff seed.

indy goes through these stretches of looking utterly inept, i don't really understand it

Let Jim Sorgi be QB in the first half of Colts games, or whoever it is

To be fair, they lost Houston and Hali pretty early in the game. Woulda been a different outcome

without nearly an entire drive on bad pi calls and on a neutral field, i still doubt it, but i don't care- SUPAH CHAHJAHS!

We're goin' all the way

denver is the only good team in the entire afc

don't get me started on Sorgi (the second Kennedy assassin fyi)

ASSASSIN OF DREAMS

tough call on rolle

oh n/m was that away from the play?

awesome
that's the kind of play i watch these giants/cowboys games for

o cmon

Cowboys smdh

you can see the replay tomorrow on C'MON MAN no doubt

might be a good time for an INT, but romo will probably wait until late in the fourth quarter right

like now i hope!

naw dude we want a tie!

oh yeah, tie def ideal but giants win better than boys win

ok i'm not even close to emotionally prepared for this

haven't been keeping up w/ NFL, can someone explain to me why this game is such a huge deal? they've played each other like 20 times before right

well i have no idea re: forced media narratives but it's pretty huge for the patriots season. win and they can beat anyone in the afc, lose and that'll be two in a row against actual good teams. i guess having eternal nemesis p. manning playing for the opposition just spices it up a bit.

montage to help u

jamie collins starting i guess over spikes

hey that was easy

spikes has no use in the game

he'll get the occasional a gap blitz

lol?

Plz dump Ridley now

oh, ridley

i feel so bad for him

i think that's prob it for steve

loooool whut

are you kidding me

hoo boy

Hilarious

Plz dump Brady now

Manny being Manny

jfc

got knocked the fuck out

Lmao

wat

This is insane, what is going on?

are the footballs covered in ice

This is the best game I've ever seen in my life

i guess if you are going to have a game go like this, it might as well be a game you were going to lose anyway. bench the starters imo.

eagerly anticipating a brady butt fumble to cap this

What the hell Pegton has weird mummy feet

Get this abomination off the field

den is mauling rn

whatever else happens a peyton sack is worth the price of admission

Who's gonna fumble on the next drive?

couple more penalties then a safety

possession survived

who's not going to fumble on the next drive?

Go for it

wow at wobble-less peyty td throw

what a weird half of football

it's anybody's game

to avoid getting too worked up about comeback opportunities here, i wanted to pass along a trusted first-person account that the following new england patriots are friendly and cool:

- devin mccourty
- brandon bolden
- logan mankins
- dante scarnecchia

good intel

laser

bullet

As much as I love the pats, I'm kinda shocked that they managed to get back into this

Pretty amazing

moving the ball on a jack del rio defense is no surprise, i'm a bit impressed at how their own defense has held up.

omg

Woooooo!

sick play by logan

go pats go

FUCK YES

boom

Sick

jack del rio's life flashes before his eyes

this is insane

it is sad to see bolden run for 1 yard up the middle with ridley sitting on the bench but really he just can't play again, he has to be done now

how the fuck do you give up 31 unanswered points

by sucking at defense

fuuuuuck

i hope steven gets a fresh start somewhere, he seems like a hard worker and he has the talent but the damage has been done here, and honestly i came into the season thinking the ball security concerns w/him were way overblown

well they were, he was being written off on the basis of 2 fumbles. i'd say we have more data now.

can they not get him to always have both hands/arms on the ball? and like bench him if he is carrying one handed, not when he fumbles. i don't know anything about the mechanics of being a running back so maybe not.

there must be some kung-fu master-esque training they can put him through

oh, ok, are you done bullshitting now Donkies? good to know

throw to tamme was millimetre perfect

aw fuck off

p.man stepped up big time after his non-int, sick on that drive

too many mistakes on defense on that drive

can they not get him to always have both hands/arms on the ball? and like bench him if he is carrying one handed, not when he fumbles. i don't know anything about the mechanics of being a running back so maybe not.

― Roberto Spiralli, Sunday, November 24, 2013 11:27 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

it would be a start, he always seems to be one-hand carrying on his inside runs

CMON D

terrible play

actually no it was spot on, amazing play by talib

good plays by talib and arrington

bill goes bill

uh

i guess i get it, get the stop and kick the fg with the wind

pats scored all of their points into the wind!

yeah this seems like over thinking it a bit

yes and yes

talib iced up, damn

would've been 4th and inches i guess? i don't see del rio going for it on 4th and 1 inch there, but they have been strong on the ground. well, worked out i guess.

if the broncos just ran it every play they would have won the game by now

with the exception of that final td drive peyton has been atrocious tonight so i encourage him to spread and chuck on 3rd and 4

wow what a no-call

draped on him like a cloak, lol

4 yards guys, just 4! every game

can someone just tell both teams that high arcing throws aren't gonna work tonight

does this game have one more fumble in it?

slant to tamme is working every time

a tie would be oh so awesome

ffs

HAW

holy shit

looooooool

: O

1st down field goal, just do it

that is such a dumb way for this to end

it has been a totally dumb game

gtfo tom, just kick it

fitting ending would be blocked kick, returned for a TD by brock osweiler

champions!

PAAAAAAAAAATS

Haha

welker! welker conspiracy!

new england primetime games have been amazing entertainment this year

wowww what a game manning blows why didnt welker catch that

http://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/1q4fh4/what_is_your_favorite_nfl_conspiracy_theory/cd92f08

my personal favorite is *buries reddit under the ground*

manning blows

my main takeaway from this game.

4 yard completions to jacob tamme do not julius thomas replace

unless the road to the super bowl goes through a bunch of domes they're fucked

Welker said it’s his job to race up, wave his arms, and yell, “Peter! Peter! Peter!” if he decides against fielding the punt.

lol

i decided not to field the punt at the fifteen yard line which makes total sense so of course i yelled peter peter peter and my job was complete

Welker is simply not good. Numerous drops and that botched punt return is all on him.

welker is a great player and i really wish he was still on the patriots but he def does drop a lot of passes, one of the commentators last night after one of his drops was all 'how often do you see that' and i was like 'more than you think buddy more than you think'

welker is simply not good

I believe Collinsworth said that and I didn't know if he was being sarcastic or not either

He's the fourth best WR on his team arguably but he's still pretty solid imo

i'm not really a fan of this coaching style where you bench someone the whole game because they fumbled. what exactly does that accomplish

just belichick bein belichick

well ridley has lost a fumble for three games in a row now so

re: welker, he's still good and murdered a couple teams this year, but his drops seem like they've been going up annually. i'm curious to get some info on how the pats covered him, looked like it was arrington at least part of the time and i wonder if familiarity in practice and whatnot played into his poor game.

he benched blount too

yeah that was more general frustration i think, it really looked like blount blacked out there

http://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/stats/drops/2013/

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/did-packers-suffer-mcnabb-syndrome-overtime-rules-002136997--nfl.html

How do players still not know games can end in a tie?!

what is the trolling in this thread, welker not good/4th best broncos wr. jfc.

there was a tie just last year!

players look at the standing i know they do ive heard them talking about it

This is the last of the bye weeks, right?

Welker had some significant drops last season, which was the main reason why I was particularly torn up about losing him.

what is the trolling in this thread, welker not good/4th best broncos wr. jfc.

― Roberto Spiralli, Monday, November 25, 2013 8:47 AM (57 minutes ago)

I'll take Decker and the Thomases over him in 2013

you specifically said WR so don't come at me with julius and if you would take eric decker over welker in a vacuum i don't know what to tell you

julius thomas has had like three good games in a three-year career

I wouldn't take anyone in a vacuum, they'd be all distended and dead and shit

wes would still get you a first down

Julius Thomas I can't really support my argument, but I definitely would trade Welker for Decker in 2013, no q

tebow would have won that game

its sad welker and Brady broke up they were perfect

btw the afc is looking pretty wide open all of a sudden huh

decker is a fantasy football wr. he's a scrub who is benefiting from being the fourth guy to cover in that base offense.

I guess we have a trade then!

decker is not a legit 2, and will be average at best somewhere else next year. welker is great, with occasional lapses.

julius thomas' production is for real- he sat for two years because for all his upside, he is an unreliable blocker, even now.

http://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/stats/drops/2013/

Decker and Welker both among the leaders in drops. Welker's % is better.

welker owns, smh h8rs

tebow would have won that game

― christmas candy bar (al leong), Monday, November 25, 2013 12:19 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is excellent troll ammo for any nfl thread/borad

welker owns, smh h8rs

― lag∞n, Monday, November 25, 2013 2:59 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Count me as a hater. He's done. Pats should be happy to have lost him.

Now I'm having second thoughts. ;-)

welk just needs to be back in bradys arms

boston meeting really pushing the belichick owns peyton narrative, i'm not sure i agree but i enjoy it so much i will choose to believe it.

tebow would have won that game

For which team? He's played for both.

Pats should be happy to have lost him.

They thought they would be, then they got Amendola'ed.

belichick was all i can make a new welker because he is the most arrogant person in the world

The Pats just don't put money into players at that age of their career. They wait until they are older and get the 'I want a ring' discount. Welker wasn't the first and definitely won't be the last good vet that left that had good football left in them.

ugh i meant boston media why can't i type

Crazy thing about Welker is that you identify him as one of the name Pats and he never won a ring there.

I guess Brady and Wilfork are about the only two I can think off the top of my head that is left on the Pats that won a Superbowl.

The crazy thing about Brady's career is he won like 3 Superbowls in his first 5 years and really when he got statistically phenomenal at QB was after the championships.

otm everyone was all tom brady what a great game manager

http://deadspin.com/where-were-you-when-the-buttfumble-happened-1469823637

― Johnny Fever, Friday, November 22, 2013 8:24 PM (3 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I was at my girlfriend's dad's house for thanksgiving and no one wanted to watch the game because it was a blowout, despite my pleading that this was EXACTLY the best kind of football game, so I watched it alone in a guest bedroom.

aw

this game sucks but a safety just tried to killshot anquan boldin and literally bounced off of him

http://thebiglead.com/2013/11/26/robert-griffin-iii-why-are-his-linemen-not-helping-him-up-this-year/

voted captain in his rookie season. too much power too fast

hahah apparently he is asking the coaches not to show bad plays involving him in teamwide film sessions?

o jeez

at least this wasnt his own lineman i suppose

http://d3j5vwomefv46c.cloudfront.net/photos/large/824048605.gif?1385436006

Jim Irsay is so weird

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/11/26/mt-irsay-finally-erupts/

“I didn’t break the bank,millions cash over cap/Load Brinks Truck,only to be hijacked n stormed on the way 2 stadium by machine gun MANIACS!“

Shanahan death watch continues to tick

"Jim Irsay is so weird"

If you keep in mind he bought Jerry Garcia's main guitar, it all makes sense.

keep indianapolis weird