Hey Keith!!!

change we can believe in
http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x18/gr8080/IMG_2361.jpg

Hey Grady... Thanks, and I have done all that stuff. Yellow card just sticks a message up on your screen for a few days saying that you have been yellow carded and why (well, whatever the mod chooses to fill in).

Keith----

I'm lovin it

Got no voice anywhere since I hardly post, but I honestly think the log is a gerat idea. back in the UUSSR

Matt P.

j/k on the last half of that shitty post. I'm really glad you worked on the admin log even though you didn't think it would do anything. I dunno if it will do anything either, but i never see anything else so you know it will quell my v. important worries.

btw i am deeznuts

awesome Keith, thanks!

do we all get our own secret bord?

But you've already got one Jhosh! How many do you want!

can i have secret board #80?

can i have secret board #99

^^keith can you do this and make it so only deeznuts can post there/ thats the only place he can post?

it's gonna be more like sekrit borad #53408721

Well see, after Crutis's hacking stunt, I changed it to make borad IDs random, so it's more like secret bord #98743562534!

x-post this would be like banning him, wouldn't it?

xx-post

it was gonna be a no-invite board but i disagree with the latter half of gr8080s query

From my point of view, as many people can have broads as want them. I put in two things to help with this, customising site new answers to just show what you want, and colouring board threads on that page, also made there a kind of folder/board structure on the front page so that we can keep it neat and tidy.

Oh you can also subscribe to email notifications of changes on boards - this is really for the smaller boards that don't get many posts, to notify you of changes to them.

if we have our own board are we automatically moderator of it?

No.

I would like a broad, I don't care about having a board.

do we get avatars

Err no...

change is scary

Yeah, I noticed that the last time around.

hey keith -

can we do a +/- system on posts like youtube has?

I don't think so really deeznuts. The problem is the amount of load it would add. I have thought that one through in the past; it would involve a huge amount of additional updates. Maybe if I can think of a really efficient way to do it then I will at some point, but for now, no.

I actually love this idea, but like obviously in a hilarious sarcastic way

speaking of youtube- any chance of a simple embed code?

Yeah, I've done that too

But you've already got one Jhosh! How many do you want!

-- Keith, Friday, August 29, 2008 2:24 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Link

my bord is not secret tho :(

are we getting unreg posting too? :)

i mean i guess its kinda secret in that no one posts on it xp

yeah no prob btw thanks keith for putting what must be really hard work into this stuff which you probably dont personally care too much about - also you should post on the boards more!

xp pre-zingd

as a former low-level programmer the thrill is in making the code run, not playing with the result! :) but yes three cheers for Keith!

Thanks...

Yeah I did to unreg, but it's kind of not possible really. Our friend Heave on the sandbox managed to prove that pretty well.

lol

heave ho, alpha tester

Well, he certainly did test it.

told you he was misunderstood

Maek sure you are sitting down for this:

I have changed "--" to "―"

nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

It's tough, I know.

I have changed "--" to "―"

Lol trolling.

im a little concerned he might not be kidding

I am not kidding. Nothing is sacred.

You rock. How do I get to the sandbox?

keith u a hero 4 srs

hey Keith what about image limits? are we going to get to post more than three per post plzzzzzz

Well, I should leave that decision to the other mods, but what I have done is to allow it to be configurable on a per board basis (the number of images you can post), so they can sort it from there. I suspect that's a balancing trick, because one man's funny loads of images I suspect is another man's gets on their tits, but it's able to be configured anyway.

You asked about not showing the real user name for logged out users and there are a couple of things there - it's kind of hardish to do but also I'm not sure I want to. I understand why you think it'll be a laugh, but I do worry about the thing appearing intimidating to new users, which was part of my worry around changeable user names in the first instance. It certainly confused the f*** out of me for frankly years on ILX, until I discovered the option to show the login ID. The other thing is that it's a bit harder because I'm not storing the original name separately with a message, it just gets literally stuck into a database field as your current display name plus a bracketed original one; it's not in a separate field, so hard to do, and I don't really want to go into extracting it with text processing, so I'm afraid I'm not keen on that.

thanks for the explanations and the hard work

no image limits would make 77 unreadable

a salient point

to elaborate, yeah the jiggle panda thread is kind of hampered by three image limit, but if there was no image limit that thread would never load and it would just be pointless

yeah but a limit of 10-20 would be much better

also JW should delete 99% of posts to uppers made since nu code and let us start over again.

thx for all the hard work m8

three image post limit gives pic posts a cool haiku quality

what can i say, i look at the bright side.

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x18/gr8080/1220122328723.gifhttp://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x18/gr8080/1220122328723.gifhttp://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x18/gr8080/1220122328723.gif

squiggly z - head goes down like fuck yeah i did it - tap your toes

yeah no prob btw thanks keith for putting what must be really hard work into this stuff which you probably dont personally care too much about - also you should post on the boards more!

This x 10000000000000000. Keith, you're a star.

Without sounding like some kind of wanker, Keith, your work is enormously appreciated. Many of us are aware that you don't need to do any of what you've done.

and all you'll get is 5000 new threads asking why the changeable username isn't attached to the message like it used to be.

Thanks, everyone.

Autumn, I'm sure you're right, Though I can try to explain these things. None of this sort of stuff is of a massive surprise to me as I deal with it in work all the time; most people don't like change, so I suspect some will be pissed off with even what are basically improvements; however, I can't live my life worrying about that - it's just the way things are!

I will try to explain why things are like what they are like, and by all means ask questions. I do think quite hard about this stuff and what I do and why I do it, though obviously some of this stuff is a matter of weighing up a bunch of often opposing factors and making a judgement calls as to what the right thing to do is; some of these factors will not be apparent to most people who use the system (e.g. scalability: having the site not fall over when lots of users are using it).

Keith, this sounds amazing.

http://image.blingee.com/images11/content/output/2007/6/18/208499020_3f94fbd6d.gif

Thanks, Grady, but the guys at work who read this will have a field day with that!

haha did you delete it

Well, just stopped it showing...

hahah i was wondering why it dissapeared here.

Oh, dunno about that... I probably did that back then I suppose.

most people don't like change, so I suspect some will be pissed off with even what are basically improvements

Two hilarious implications of this statement:

1. The changes to ilx are intended to restore ancient functionality, i.e. anulling change
2. People who don't like change are usually conservatives, which is considered a term of abuse by 98% of ilx

implications of observations regarding

Dear Keith,

It is my understanding that a hardon particle accelerator will end the world next week. Have you made provision for this in the ilx code?

With love,
A. Almanac (Mrs.)

Dear Keith,

if you change -- to an em dash, will -- jel be able to easily change his ILX login name?

Dear Keith,
If you fix the code to delete idiot messages, how long will ILX last?

Hurrah for returning functionality!

I hate to seem petty to add another minor question, but is there any chance of ever getting blog view back?

It was really nice to be able to get an idea of what threads were about without actually having to click on them/wade through them. (V. useful with threads that turn clusterf*ck)

The problem around blog view is just not knowing what it was! Stet tried to explain it to me at one point. If someone could do some cut and paste screen stuff to let me know what it is, then at some point I could get around to it (though will be some way down the line; got a lot of other stuff to do right now).

Dear Keith,

It is my understanding that a hardon particle accelerator will end the world next week.

last great typo before the end of the world

Well, I don't have any screen grabs or pretty pictures or anything, but...

What it was, for each view (new answers or new questions) you could get them displayed with the most recent post made (new answers) or the original question (new questions) displayed underneath the title.

It was very good for figuring out the subject matter of the thread when the title was unclear. And also for getting the general gist of what was currently going on on a thread without having to read the whole thing. And thread revives where there's just one new answer, and you want to know if it's a genuine revive or just someone being silly.

This is all very useful stuff if you're at work or your reading time/bandwidth is limited in other ways.

Or you're on 2G/Edge mobile, or you have an iphone and any thread with more than 12 images crashes the browser.

Hi Keith,

have you made any changes to the URL parsing/linking code? I've been bitten by bugs in it a couple of times this week (trailing slashes, presence of "@" symbol, etc). I could come up with a list of URLs that don't work but perhaps should if it would be useful.

Your pal,

Caek, I haven't no. Can't pretend I can 'fix' all issues with auto URL parsing, as there's a fundamental problem at the root of being able to do that; the computer sometimes just cannot decide (neither can a human for that matter and therein lies the problem) where a URL stops, without additional markup to help, but by all means post the URLs and I'll take a look.

All trailing slashes in URLs are unlinked, e.g. http://www.example.com/ should include the trailing slash in the link, but it does not. A url in slash does not necessarily point to the same resource as one without. This seems like it should be easy to fix. Haha seems.

All trailing parentheses too, e.g. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_(disambiguation)

Was trying to post the URL which this tinyurl resolves to within img tags yesterday; result was not what was intended, presumably because of the @ symbol.

Also, can you add post preview to you "nice to have but not urgent" list?

@ is accepted in the URL expression; maybe I did that after last deploying ILX. The parentheses thing is tricky, since if I accept them as part of a URL, then when you stick a URL in parentheses itself, it will screw up, e.g. (http://www.google.com) would not work, as it'd pick up the last bracket as part of the URL. This is one of the cases where you just have to make a call as to what to include and not.

Sure... What is post preview?

Oh, do you mean you get a chance to edit it before posting? What I thought I might do was let people edit their posts for five minutes after posting them or something...

^^ huge "jokes bruv" potential

xp, otm. editing posts would be a big change. just a preview would be fine. live ajax/DHTML preview would be even radder, but above and beyond.

I guess the thing with trailing parentheses is to look for the opening one and check if it's before the start of the link, in which case it's not a part of the URL.

and here's that complicated URL in an img tag, not working:

http://sta✧✧✧.g✧✧✧.c✧.uk/Guardian/world/gallery/2008/sep/01/republicans2✧✧✧.palin/GD8643✧✧✧@This-undated-photo-pr-3✧✧✧.j✧✧

no editing / no previewing - these are two of the things that make ilx essentially ilx

editing, absolutely, don't need it, don't want it. but would we really lose that much if people stopped making mistakes with broken links/bbcode?

It's kind of harder than that with the brackets thing. ((http://www.google.com(this is part of the URL) but this last bracket isn't). Hmm. This is the reason the anchor tag exists, or the browser would just interpret the URL and sort it out. It's basically unfixable, although if you think you've the answer, by all means send me code please! I've been through this one a lot, and I'm afraid it's trickier than people think; this is why most URL parsers are shit. I should be able to sort the email thing easily enough though, though that could have some unintended side effects (showing email addresses if they're part of logins to URLs), but probably not all that likely. Preview would be OK too.

http://www.goodchoicegift.com/_store/images/Thanks-a-buch.gif

rub a dub dub, thanks for the grub

editing, absolutely, don't need it, don't want it. but would we really lose that much if people stopped making mistakes with broken links/bbcode?

YES WE WOULD

xxxp, seems like the most common parentheses case (wikipedia URLs) should be fixable. your example is a real edge case. I'm not even sure what's supposed to be going on there, so i'm not surprised a regular expression gets confused. but yeah, I know way less about this than you. just wanted to check you were aware.

Hope trailing slashes will be fixed. They should be assumed to be part of the URL. No one writes http://www.google.com/http://www.yahoo.com.

p.s. http://littlecottonrabbits.typepad.co.uk/my_weblog/images/2007/10/29/rose_thanks.jpg

((http://www.google.com(this is part of the URL)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_(disambiguation)

http://sta✧✧✧.g✧✧✧.c✧.uk/Guardian/world/gallery/2008/sep/01/republicans2✧✧✧.palin/GD8643✧✧✧@This-undated-photo-pr-3✧✧✧.j✧✧

http://www.example.com/

I just tested those in urlview, which is just a regexp for parsing text looking for URLs I use. It only got the last one right (including the trailing slash). I officially believe you now that this is a hard problem :-)

The regexp is (this should really push the square bracket fix!):

(((https?|ftp|gopher)://|(mailto|file|news):)[^' <>"]+|(www|web|w3).[-a-z0-9.]+)[^'
 .,;<>":]

wow, that actually worked!

<crocodile dundee accent>That's not a regular expression. That's a regular expression!

lol at link to "Background information and documentation"

Yeah, the problem with URL parsing is not that it's a hard problem; it's that it is an impossible problem. It's because there are many cases where it is impossible to work out, even for a human, as to whether or not a certain character is meant to be part of the URL, or part of the text that comes after the URL. This is why the <a href..> syntax exists. If it were possible in all cases to determine a URL from surrounding text, then the <a href..> notation would be redundant.

Even that link to the massive regular expression will just be one that validates that a URL matches what presumably the URL RFC defines as being a URL; it still won't be able to distinguish them from surrounding pieces of text.

I still don't get why folks can't just use the [ url ] stuff as indicated in formatting help. I mean, it works, see?

it's less convenient

Perhaps a wee bit less convenient, but if you add a descriptive title you have about a 100x greater chance of pulling off yr genius rickroll.

There seems to be a bug in the way

[ quote]

Ignore me I have unhidden the formatting help for the first time.

hey keith are bookmarks back to being stored on the computer i'm using when i bookmark them?

when i try to ILX

haha whoops

hey keith are bookmarks back to being stored on the computer i'm using when i bookmark them?

when i try to ILX on my phone i see all these bookmarks i already cleared on my regular style computer. vice-sersa if i make a bookmark on my phone i dont see it when i get back on my computer.

That's weird, I use ILX on my home and work computer, and I've never noticed that the bookmarks would be computer-specific.

thank fuck somebody else is seeing this too. grady have you changed yr password recently? Mine didn't start until I did that.

nope.

it probably has something to do with my iphone browser but it just started maybe 3 days ago i guess.

Yeh I only see the problem on iPhone too

maybe something to do with the iphone software upgrade over the weekend?

that would have been the only thing i "changed" around the time i noticed ILX doing this

Logout on iphone and delete cookies
Log back in, but make sure not to type a capital letter at start of username. Fixed it here.

thanks stet!

this poll is really buggy-- but only for people who have mod privs it seems: BEST JAMES MURPHY ANSWER FROM NEW YORK MAGAZINE

also, for sub-board mods, if a poll thread has any images in the OP, those images do not display-- this makes sense if the poll is on the board you mod, but it is site-wide. any way to fix this?

Afraid not for now... Too busy with all sorts to be doing this now, but at some point if I have some time on my hands.

Cheers,

Keith.

no prob, just wanted to make you aware :D

Also, the same error occurs for links in the OP of a poll thread. Which is a shame, I had a great Big Country poll ready to roll out.

hey keith! i assume you're not posting much because you're incredibly busy, but on the off chance you're looking at the ILX code, is there any chance you could add an unbookmark link to the top or bottom of bookmarked threads?

thanks for the unbookmark link dude!

Cheers - was just saying: No one answered this last time so maybe we can get some followthrough and get this resolved. Help help me Rhonda

whoah what happened

but yes: i will be using the unbookmark link like craaaaaaaazy

view previous page is a super good idea too

just came to say unbookmark = A+

Hey Keith!!! You rule!

i don't understand view previous page

banned users can still send webmail to non-banned users?

i don't know what i mean by that. it's just an observation!

Does it? I can't actually remember what banned users can and can't do - do you think they shouldn't be able to send webmail?

well this particular email was pretty harmless, just gabbneb being gabbneb

i can see why it would be a good idea for them not to be able to send webmail, though i guess it's not a big deal

Okay, I'll take a look at some point.

crepey

he wasn't even being crepey this time, he's . . . just nebbin'

yeah, nebber, if you want to chit-chat, you've got to leave an email address

you nebber her

waht does "view previous page" do

takes you to the previous page of a long thread

Does it? I can't actually remember what banned users can and can't do - do you think they shouldn't be able to send webmail?

― Keith, Wednesday, June 17, 2009 6:32 PM

i don't think gabbneb should be able to

gab has his manservant send webmails for him

Why is anyone giving gabbneb even the briefest passing thought at this point?

we miss him u_u

Um . . . I got a webmail from him too.

wtf!

um, that's pretty creepy

I only just thought to check after seeing Harbl's comment. It was from a different user name but definitely him as he referenced something that I said about him.

:-(

So, perhaps the biggest takeaway from this would be "stop talking about people who have been banned unless you'd like to receive emails from them".

Which, you know, the mods have said in the past and tried to enforce and were told we were being pricks over it.

he wasn't even being crepey this time, he's . . . just nebbin'

― harbl, Wednesday, June 17, 2009 7:11 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

Just wanted to say that this is true for what he sent me too.

Yes Dan you're probably right. I couldn't help it! Lesson learned.

Gabneb - If you see this. I am sorry I said you wear capris if, in fact, you do not.

i'm sorry i said you were a snob even though you are

tbh i don't care if he sends emails because it made me lol, i was just surprised to hear from him

Also sorry that I spelled your un wrong in my previous post. Pls don't webmail me to correct my mistake. I've realized the error of my ways.

x-post - Yeah, same.

man why is gabbers sending all these emails to harbl and enbb and none to me

bcuz yr his biggest defender/gabbstan

I think banned users shouldn't be able to webmail ppl but let's debate that for 20-30 posts

he only sends you mails if you hurt his feelings

you have to be MEAN to him

max call him a capris wearing aristocrat and he will get right back to you

gabbneb send me a webmail!!!!

max check your email--guess what i just got

I am assuming that now that you've all received your emails, you're done with this.

Harbl - sorted out the emailing thing.