options for the offended 51

"no good reason" = the whole problem with these clusterfucks. i get that for x number of posters, these people are banned for "no good reason". the problem is that for a whole bunch (uh 51 to be specific) of other posters, there is plenty of good reason for them to be banned. its fine to say that you disagree with them, but reducing it to no good reason just means that you think that their opinions/feelings/etc dont matter.

― NAKES HAVE THE STAPLES IN THEM (jjjusten), Thursday, November 26, 2009 1:00 AM (8 hours ago) Bookmark

1) Ignore the offensive poster.
2) Exit the thread.
3) Exit ILX. (As the banned are told, ILX is not the end all of the internet after all.)
4) Address the poster through email.
5) Report the poster to a moderator.

its fine to say that you disagree with them, but reducing it to no good reason just means that you think that their opinions/feelings/etc dont matter.

Again the huge flaw here is that whilethe board goes to great length to make sure to respect the offended 51, the unoffended are given no voting option whatsoever. It's almost like "their opinions/feelings/etc dont matter." Thousands of registered posters are not pressing the sb button. Why does that not count for anything?

"Again the huge flaw here is that while the board goes to great length to make sure to respect the offended 51, the unoffended are given no voting option whatsoever."

it's not the same 51 people every time, y'know? I get that 51 people is a small number out of however many thousand, but there's not been a huge amount of sbans, and it's not really been directed by any one clique against another or anything.

1) Not really a great option if, say, somebody in your community is attacking you personally among your friends.
2) Allow yourself to be bullied away, basically?
3) Allow yourself to be hounded out of town entirely
4) "Why don't you just hit that kid back?"
5) This isn't a million miles away from what SB is

This is all about people who can't get along together. But there's only one side who can really do anything positive about the situation. The options for the victim are pretty much "accept this behaviour or gtfo", while the options for the attacker are "stop doing this, or we'll throw you out". I'm not sure why the onus should be on the victim to change their behaviour to accommodate, especially if the reasons are "there's a silent majority who get lolz watching" or "yeah, but the rest of the time they're great!" If the attacker stops, on the other hand, then both can stay.

Thousands of registered posters are not pressing the sb button. Why does that not count for anything?
This reads to me just like the arguments saying "it's only a minority who care about racism/sexism/whatever-ism and thousands of people don't mind, why doesn't their opinion count?". I'm not sure it's true, either. There are very few posters who haven't given out any SBs, and that includes people who say "I haven't ever used SB".

I'm not sure why the onus should be on the victim

eh not sure that you can simply allocate 'victim' status on anyone who presses sb, though?

5) Report the poster to a moderator.

5) This isn't a million miles away from what SB is

but it is - reporting to a moderator means that someone gets to actually check out the behaviour and find out whether or not it is actually offensive. Of course that might be an onerous and task and involve tricky judgement calls. But SB seemingly involves no judgement, no enquiry, no discrimination.

True, you can't, but SBs are mostly given for people being dickish, and the majority of that is them being dicks to other posters. Behaviour that gets SB'd is mostly directed at other people or at the community in general. If someone is offended/hurt enough to SB, then I don't think the onus should be on them to suck it up.
xp

But SB seemingly involves no judgement, no enquiry, no discrimination.
It definitely did it in its first incarnation where it operated almost blindly, but now we see the posts that people are SBing on, and the ban doesn't happen automatically. We also expire old SBs by hand. There's mod intervention at virtually all points of it, now.

fair enough.

yeah, although still hard to see how some of the recent bans have gone through, given that. but then i don't know the posts in question, eh, what can y'do.

The options for the victim are pretty much "accept this behaviour or gtfo", while the options for the attacker are "stop doing this, or we'll throw you out". I'm not sure why the onus should be on the victim to change their behaviour to accommodate, especially if the reasons are "there's a silent majority who get lolz watching" or "yeah, but the rest of the time they're great!" If the attacker stops, on the other hand, then both can stay.

You are presenting the board as if moderators do not exist. The large majority of suggest banned posters have not been involved in bullying or personal attacks afaik.

If the suggest ban system is so thoroughly vetted then why not remove the automated action it takes? Why not make it purely a notification system? The attempt at self-moderation is admirable/cool but because of the amount of variables the system doesn't incorporate, it forces mods into more work then they would normally do (Assuming they carefully vet each vote as we are being told which is pretty hard to believe.)

The large majority of suggest banned posters have not been involved in bullying or personal attacks afaik

assuming that 'bannable' behaviour is limited to these traits.

That is the assumption stet is presenting; I've been here 8+ years and have seen that extreme what 2 or 3 times, maybe?

I think part of the problem is because they last for six months; so ppl get banned despite having been "good" for the previous few weeks (and this is sometimes tricky, like the last LJ situation was) or other posters only lash out viciously and occasionally, but that builds up.
xp

You are presenting the board as if moderators do not exist. The large majority of suggest banned posters have not been involved in bullying or personal attacks afaik.
I don't think the set of SB'd people so far is big enough to draw conclusions from, but it is definitely the case that the things they get banned for are things they can stop doing, and are things that upset other posters.

If the suggest ban system is so thoroughly vetted then why not remove the automated action it takes?
It doesn't take any automated action any longer. A mod manually puts each ban in place, when it hits 50, and after looking at the history. Not so much to make a judgement call, but to check for spuriousness. There's precious little evidence of it in any of the people SB'd so far.

Another thing is that the system has actually changed a lot since it started. I was saying to the mods earlier that it might be an idea if we actually let it run for a straight six months without meddling, so we can see if these changes have addressed any of the problems. For instance, the first really big crop of six-month-old SBs are about to expire, and I think we'll see a difference in counts and frequency after that. We won't learn much if we keep changing the rules mid-game.

i think we've already learnt that people are trigger-happy tbh.

I've been here 8+ years and have seen that extreme what 2 or 3 times, maybe?
Yeah, another thing is that SB gives a voice to posters who aren't strong enough or brave enough to speak out in public about attacks on them, so there's going to be more reported that doesn't come on the general radar xp

1) Press SB
2) Smoke a fat doob

whiney is why ilx can't have nice things

http://scrapetv.com/News/News%20Pages/Business/images/kool-aid-man.jpg

SBs are mostly given for people being dickish, and the majority of that is them being dicks to other posters

how is this evenly remotely true - the poster who has accrued the most sbs so far is basically a mensch i mean i understand y dude picks up sbs but its not for the fabled "being a dick". mb like three or four counting gabbnebs deliberate flameout of the 51'd have been for them being dicks 2 others

its p obv that just being a dick doesnt get you sb'd & that u only get got for having opinions that a bunch of ppl dont like or being a weird dude or w/e

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/

6) nut up or shut up

i still say we should utilize a "suggest ban from thread" function instead. if kate had gotten, say, ten of those in the p4k thread or jordan had gotten ten of those in the G4 thread, they'd (1) be provided with a more instant and helpful feedback and (2) be spared a site-wide lengthy ban for something they did to piss off a few people over a relatively short peroid of time

either that or put in place some kind of SB density system in which you're warned once if you've gotten a certain number of SBs in the past week (or month), and the second time you pass that number you're banned for a certain amount of time (sort of like a ratio system on a torrent site)

1) Ignore the offensive poster.
2) Exit the thread.
3) Exit ILX. (As the banned are told, ILX is not the end all of the internet after all.)

Right. So, all somebody has to do is be a total dick to me and the onus is on me to "deal with it." They can piss in the pool all day; after all, I don't have to swim there if I don't like it! All power to everybody aggro enough to totally ignore their effect on the community & others! As to the "that's what mods are for," we used to have plenty flameouts over even the suggestion of unilateral mod activity. After all, shouldn't the community decide? By which anti-ban ppl seem to mean "shouldn't I be allowed to tell people to just take however much abuse I feel is funny?"

Fuck that imo. I dig Kate and frankly think ppl sb'ing her are being dicks but I hate this "cope with all destabilizing influences yourself, it's the right of anybody to turn as many threads as they like into personal 'but answer my question!'-fests" too. as for Lamp's "it's 'weird dudes' who get the SB" - you're kidding right?

thats not really what lamp said at all

its p obv that just being a dick doesnt get you sb'd & that u only get got for having opinions that a bunch of ppl dont like or being a weird dude or w/e

actually yes max it is.

the "unpopular opinions" thing is a fake-persecution canard too which is no more demonstrable than what I'd claim about use of the sb i.e. that ppl use it when they feel offended

"it's 'weird dudes' who get the SB"

versus

"having unpopular opinions or being a weird dude are far more likely to earn posters suggest bans than just being a dick"

you are missing the crucial 'or whatever'

so when i keep showing up and saying "the majority of suggest bans come from when people attack other posters out of the blue" over and over again, you dudes just think im lying to you or what

am willing to argue that "having unpopular opinions or being a weird dude" can comfortably, in the thread in which the assertion was made, be elided to "it's weird dudes who get the SB." if I end up at a press conference about this thread I will quote Lamp's post in full rather than referring to it.

xpost jjusten the anti-sb ppl don't believe you because they like the idea of sb as some evil villain striking down the creatives

this is just a natural progression--we worked our way thru all the ppl who were just dicks, we did ppl who register strong opinions in a less-than-graceful way, now we're just gonna do ppl who post a lot and aren't sweet and cheerful 100% of the time.

fuk u if u disagree or w/e

I have a hard time believing that j0rdan or kate were malicious to another poster out of the blue more than the majority of 51 times

"more than the majority" - excuse my english

anti-SB ppl need to come up with something better than "let the moderators moderate!" (since old-timers know that back when it was just mods making the call, the howling over the moderators not having the right to make choices that impact the community was just as loud, and would be again) as a solution imo

as for Lamp's "it's 'weird dudes' who get the SB" - you're kidding right?

deeznuts - annoying mb tried zinging ppl but more of punchingbag than some1 who attacked other posters
lou jagz - lol show your belly
t-dawg - lol sb debates
and what - sure, altho i think weve been told its for image bombing (rip dom passantino)
gabbneb 1.0 - lol yuppies
gabbneb 2.0 - yes, being a dick
cpt lorax - lol mental illness
cankles - racism; being a dick
doc morbius - lol leftist blogaments
bimble - well i mean
masonic boom - british chick
nrq - okay hes a dick but also one of the best posters
whiney - lol self-loathing
j0rdan - lol killing hippies

this is a list of ppl with difficult opinions and/or weird dudes (<3 but i mean) some of them could be dicks but realistically so can A LOT of posters including a # of our mods and u yourself

jj weve been told over and over that we dont deserve any transparency into what gets sb'd or by who because "it should be obv". and then u keep saying this "its about being a dick" stuff anytime someone gets banned - these two statements contradict each other imo

booming post

jj weve been told over and over that we dont deserve any transparency into what gets sb'd or by who because "it should be obv".

this is total bullshit, and if you don't stop making shit up to further some weird non-argument I'm going to ban you from this thread.

lamp breakin it down

uh lamp kinda otm imo but whatevs

xp - would it be more accurate to say that the people that have been sb-ed have all had a combination of dickishness/aggressiveness and an over the top posting style - in differing proportions, obviously.

i like sb as it is pretty much but it would be cool if there was a write-in thing where you could put a description of why you hit sb, which could eventually be made public or at least disclosed to the sb'ed while the sb'er remains anonymous. might also force people to think about it and maybe even change their mind about sb'ing that person

^^ heh, it could be like facebook's options for why you don't like an ad:

offensive
unintertesting
overly repetitive
irrelevant

yeah it could have radio buttons with common reasons and then maybe one for "other" like, i just think this person is a cockfarmer

this is total bullshit, and if you don't stop making shit up to further some weird non-argument I'm going to ban you from this thread.

dude i dont even no u but HI DERE and jjusten have said a couple of times that it should be clear to any posters getting 51'd what they do that annoys so many ppl w/o resorting to giving them specific examples - ive always agreed with that i just dont think that what say l.jagger does that gets under other poster's skin is "being a dick"

lol "making shit up" tho a+++ response v. constructive

Show me an example of either JJ or Dan telling anyone they don't "deserve" any transparency.

most schools don't give multiple plusses after an a u kno, u may want to revise that

xxp - i think more people sb-ed L0uis for having one - and going on about related issues, er, at length, than being one.

anti-SB ppl need to come up with something better than "let the moderators moderate!" (since old-timers know that back when it was just mods making the call, the howling over the moderators not having the right to make choices that impact the community was just as loud, and would be again) as a solution imo

howbout 'let the mods moderate but in a very laissez faire manner where banning is a last resort'? - I mean of the above posters, how many would have been banned on any msg board with traditional moderation? probably...cankles?

imo the sb system has been a pretty big failure and it seems like everyone but the mods is beginning to accept this.

this whole thing is just getting so patronizing. the poor silent majority can't protect itself? mods might let you back after 30 days and maybe even twice but maybe not it depends whether you learned your lesson? if somebody should be banned, they should be banned - if we really decide that 51 anonymous people is the best way to go about that, fine, but at least have consistency about it.

part of the reason there's no consistency is because we've wanted to make it work, and people have seen obvious flaws, so we've been chopping and changing as we go. that's why I'm saying we should leave it running unmeddled for a period till we can work out what's actually useful and unquestionably bust about it.

gd to see history mayne back from the land of monochrome, even if his 'white ribbon' review made me want to SB him

When does Geir get back from his exile in wastes of the icy north?

in the wastes, even

this whole thing is just getting so patronizing. the poor silent majority can't protect itself?

yeah seriously law-of-the-jungle ideology like this is exactly what the SB is great against. the notion that people should either learn to be dicks back to people who're being dicks to them, or in some way develop strategies against hostile, antagonizing posters, is bullshit. but it fact, the silent majority can project itself. by clicking the suggest ban button.

The problem with the silent majority is that they're fucking silent too fucking often.

Happy Thanksgiving!

by clicking the suggest ban button.

e.g. being dicks, anonymously

wait i.e.

I do think that if anyone clicks the SB button more than 10 times or so, a message should come up that says 'Wait - don't you think that you might be the problem here?'.

only if it then gave you an option to sb the system

http://www.p2fe.com/Silent_Majority_Badge_2.jpg

Stick that on your proud member.

But don't post a picture of it to the WDYLL thread.

It's all making sense now...from the proud silent members at www.narlo.org:

"We give inspirational speeches to groups of 50 or more on freedom, liberty, the constitution and property rights. For details contact us by telephone at 1 800 682-7848 or by e-mail at: i✧✧✧@na✧✧✧.o✧✧"

imo the sb system has been a pretty big failure and it seems like everyone but the mods is beginning to accept this.

I disagree pretty strongly with this! Not a mod etc.

get a badge etc

i disagree too

I disagree massively. SB is far from perfect but it's an improvement on unilateral modding imo, and I mean that without disrespect for the mods. As far as I can tell the SB system has made modding the boards a marginally less stressful job than it used to be, which means that reasonable people are more likely to be happy to do the job.

again, no disrespect, but is that the point? to make the mods' jobs easier?

to ban more people more efficiently

power to the people... ilx "proud silent member" avatar please

even if his 'white ribbon' review made me want to SB him

This is the fucking problem. SB'ing because of differing opinions. Engage the review, point out its flaws. Grapple with his taken position. State your own. Only press SB if you think someone is providing noise rather than signal. Critical comment is signal.

I am cool with the SB system because I never, ever think to click the button. It's there, unused, dormant, but its mere presence is placatory for many. Sadly, people rarely engage ideals of tolerance, community or broad-mindedness when they use it. They do so out of a Pavlovian response which dictates that a moment's disaffection ought to equal a lengthy ban.

People of ILX, press that button if and only if someone is directly and wilfully undermining your enjoyment of ILX, and only if they are showing signs of persisting in this behaviour. I know these words will fall on deaf ears, and I know a load of people will possibly SB this post for joeks (because invisible bans upon someone who isn't going to be 51'd ever, ever again are so lol-bringing), but please, try to look at it from the potential bannee's perspective. SB is there for a reason, and a dismally large number of you are misusing it.

hey dumbass he said it "made me want to SB him" not it "made me SB him" so basically he followed your guidelines

(Also, yes I know many SBs are given after someone has inadvertently annoyed a poster a number of times. Each annoyance, when taken in isolation, is trifling. At this juncture, I recommend a killfile or a gritted-teeth toleration. There will be other threads. Better still, let them know openly why they're being annoying, because subsequent persistence will be an SB'able offence under my proposed unofficial guidelines.)

(ha n/a but for many 'want to' becomes 'really does')

(Of course, this gets difficult, if what one poster perceives as intolerable and SB'able is deemed by the annoying poster as perfectly reasonable. Free speech issues are thus implicated and the whole thing gets too much for me to handle...just learn to live with each other kthxbi)

http://www.dropshots.com/photos/275370/20070419/004544.jpg

l-r: kate, lj, history mayne, harbl

why me???

Jesus appears to be sitting on the banks of Lough Swilly there which is a bit of the Bible I wasn't aware of.

xp - because you & history mayne support the sb, and kate is against it - you are on opposite knees of jesus. Also, you said before that you were blond, I think.

does kinda look like me i guess

I'm fine with SB existing also, but what I am hating is the endless endless fucking whinging about it, jesus god on a pushbike.

Trayce the whinging is like the icing on the cake of suggest bans

Haha well thats a better way of looking at it!

anti-SB ppl need to come up with something better than "let the moderators moderate!" (since old-timers know that back when it was just mods making the call, the howling over the moderators not having the right to make choices that impact the community was just as loud, and would be again) as a solution imo

― a full circle lol (J0hn D.), Thursday, November 26, 2009 1:06 PM (6 hours ago)

I was anti-sb back before it was cool to be anti-sb, and there have been many suggestions made on how to modify the system to make it more workable. for instance, a poll is required to finalize somebody's sb ban. that wouldn't have saved deeznuts or gabbneb, but it would've reprieved tuomas and jordan maybe. then you can really claim it's the will of the people, until then I still think it's 51 touchy ppl.

another suggestion made numerous times by diff ppl is to implement something along the lines of a "suggest awes" button to offset sb clicks and help those who in total do more good than harm.

I'd given up engaging in these conversations because the mods are unyielding in their support of the system as it is, guess we all enjoy having the same one over and over.

I'd like the option to review and rescind any SBs I've made as I reckon a couple have been fucking up clicking the bookmark link next to it and okaying it without thinking. Also a few might have been heat of the moment 'fuck this guy' SBs that would look unnecessary and petty in the cold light of day (I'm pretty sure I SBed someone in haste for zinging the dead balloon kid before we knew he wasn't a dead balloon kid but the son of an arsehole).

I know it comes up in big red writing asking you to be really really sure etc but maybe we should be allowed to regret and retract an SB as much as a poster can regret and retract a dickish zing.

i think that would be a great feature. i also think that you should have to accrue more sbs for a second banning to counteract grumps who sb banned posters the instant they return.

^no evidence this actually occurs

geir is unbanned now btw

cold

^no evidence this actually occurs

― electrical audio's sm57 (electricsound), Thursday, November 26, 2009 8:09 PM (1 minute ago)

u sure? how do you explain LJ getting a handful within a day or two of coming back?

my statements were not actually related fwiw

well his opening salvo on returning was not terribly unlikely to go under the radar tbqh

u sure? how do you explain LJ getting a handful within a day or two of coming back?

sbing someone for starting a self-indulgent, word-y poll is cool fyi but zinging someone for making a self-indulgent, word-y poll - u deserve sb

Yes lets start a poll to debate a ban, and then lets start a poll when people dont like the results of the poll to debate the reults of the poll.

This is like the "should ILX be registered only" argt all over again.

FWIW I think SB should be used very sparingly for acts of real aggression and disrution - thats all I've ever used it for - but in order for us to exercise that voice, we have to bear the brunt of others using it more lightheartedly or scattershot.

erm i was joking abt 'banning' nrq for writing a review, for a magazine that has nothing to do w/ this borad, that i didn't happen to agree w/

hahahaha

http://www.msn-names.co.uk/emoticons/wall.gif @ this whole thing

guys, you should all just listen to max on that other thread

for those who haven't read the thread gbx is referring to:

HIS DICK, RODNEY!

― max (maxreax), Monday, January 15, 2007 12:23 AM (2 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

sb sucks f sb 2 good 4 this board

crut otm

I'd like the option to review and rescind any SBs I've made

― nearly 50 in vagina years (onimo), Thursday, November 26, 2009 7:59 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

this is a super good idea - itd be cool to see who youve sbd in a collect them all sort of way

yes lets start a poll to debate a ban, and then lets start a poll when people dont like the results of the poll to debate the reults of the poll

you're right, clearly it's pointless to debate bans

no offense dude and i sympathize w/ your position but that's never gonna happen

no offense taken, whether that idea is good or bad is besides the point

the problem is having any constructive discussion about how to modify the current system is near impossible

yeah whatever you say

i think the two things i suggested upthread are pretty reasonable and doable

here's another idea: the receiver of an sb can see how many sb's a particular post has earned them, might help folks understand their problem areas

^i would be for this fwiw

the problem is having any constructive discussion about how to modify the current system is near impossible

― 鬼の手 (Edward III), Friday, November 27, 2009 12:13 AM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark

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yeah whatever you say

― electrical audio's sm57 (electricsound), Friday, November 27, 2009 12:17 AM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark

I'd love to be proven wrong

but ppl make suggestions, we debate them, the mods say nothing's changing, more debate, thread gets locked, rinse & repeat

the changes that have been made to SB since it first came in (seeing which post it related to & who did it, deciding to expire SBs after 6 months) were borne out of these discussions

also there's nothing impossible about the discussions - people can and do discuss it til they have blue faces but the argument "SB sucks turn it off now" is going to continue to be ignored.

why?

because it's not going to be turned off

oh okay, because you said so

sure, if that makes you feel better

I mean the idea that we shouldn't even talk about the *theoretical idea* of one day not having the sb system is pretty silly.

this is not some normal msg board feature that can be taken for granted, it's a pretty bizarre way of getting things done and not universally considered a success...cept apparently by the mods.

this is not some normal msg board feature that can be taken for granted,

lool

of the two other boards i spend a reasonable amount of time on, one bans you temporarily after three infractions (which you could equate to SBs) and permanently after three temp bans. the other only requires a mod to agree with one person complaining. yeah, ilx's way of doing it perhaps isn't normal, in fact it gives a whole bunch more leeway afaics

Yeah I was gonna say - almost every other forum I'm on has "thumbs down" that knocks your posts offline, or bans you instantly without discussion if you break certain (very abitrary and weird) rules, or bans you after 3 strikes, or... etc etc etc. This is far and away - even with SB - the most lenient board I have ever been on.

Some forums ban you for reviving old threads!

MOST DISGUSTING SAVAGES

I suppose the only other way this might work more to peoples liking - and people can tell me this is stupid if they like - is to have a more specific ban-request system, whereby you lodge a complaint against a poster of specific forum rulebreaking.

Ie: you click sb and a page comes up that has options like "image flooding", "racism", "personal abuse", "consistent aggresive behaviour" or whatever. Mods review and decide to ban based on this. I dunno though. Its probably way too much work.

the changes that have been made to SB since it first came in (seeing which post it related to & who did it, deciding to expire SBs after 6 months) were borne out of these discussions

that's good to hear, but I've also been expecting this thread to get locked any minute now. it can't come as a surprise to you that ppl have the perception, wrong or not, of ilx as an environment that's not conducive to constructive criticism of the sb system.

of the two other boards i spend a reasonable amount of time on, one bans you temporarily after three infractions (which you could equate to SBs) and permanently after three temp bans. the other only requires a mod to agree with one person complaining. yeah, ilx's way of doing it perhaps isn't normal, in fact it gives a whole bunch more leeway afaics

― electrical audio's sm57 (electricsound), Friday, November 27, 2009 12:59 AM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Yeah I was gonna say - almost every other forum I'm on has "thumbs down" that knocks your posts offline, or bans you instantly without discussion if you break certain (very abitrary and weird) rules, or bans you after 3 strikes, or... etc etc etc. This is far and away - even with SB - the most lenient board I have ever been on.

― hulk would smash (Trayce), Friday, November 27, 2009 1:04 AM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

sbd u guys for reading other bords

so glad i don't post to other boards

i love constructive criticism! i (personally) don't like demands and ultimatums, and speaking for myself i ignore that sort of stuff completely. i think a few points raised have been worth considering..

one thing that strikes me out of all these discussions is that sometimes it seems like we're being told that the enjoyment of the board is taken away because one (or two) poster(s) are currently banned. which doesn't say much for all the people who aren't banned, and makes me feel like saying go and start your own board with all this banned guys. i might be projecting here tho

i gotta say my tolerance for trolling here has gone way up since spending time on other boards

I like Trayce's suggestion. It would give the sb'd a little (perhaps not credible) context for their ban, and could help the mods also. I agree that it's reasonable for people to sb thread bullies. I'm less cool with people sb'ing people for being annoying, though I understand the temptation, having given into the temptation a few times in the early days of sb. I think the line between annoying and bullying is pretty clear.

xxp naw man it' more like--here's a great example--jordan is an awesome and key poster on ilnfl and i love hoops, both of which are in full swing these days (and both of which, esp. ilh, are pretty small groups). so a month without jordan is actually really lame. the first couple weeks of the f2k thread surely could have been improved if whiney was here to engage with ppl talking about the thing he was authoring!

like if you have a big party and one of your best friends can't make it, you can still have a good time but there's nothing wrong w/saying damn this would be better if my friend were here.

sbd u guys for reading other bords

lolll

I think the line between annoying and bullying is pretty clear.

I don't! like, I don't think it would take very long to pull up a buncha posts by mods that would classify as pretty rude and bullyish towards someone.

this site is not for thin-skinned people and I really don't see the sb system having changed that - if anything, it's just a different type of bullying.

This is far and away - even with SB - the most lenient board I have ever been on.

and a big part of the appeal / why the site is how it is

I propose a new interpretation of SB: Silent Ban!

The banned poster is not told, he/she can participate in everything as usual, but his posts/threads are only visible to himself for a week.

Guys?

can't imagine what this site would be like if a bunch of people just seemed to be talking to themselves sometimes

lol @ Stan

I like Trayce's idea a lot btw.

I think the problem of having a classified list of SB motives is that you'd probably need to end up having an "Other" option, which would negate the point of having yr classified list.

I think some kind of shorter time scale for the SBs to wear off might be helpful, the system would then target against bravura acts of dickery rather than longer term irritation. But then longer term irritation seems like a valid SB reason too tbh.

I like the idea that people could rescind their own SBs from weeks back. I would almost certainly make use of that feature and again it would give you a chance to come round to a poster who's annoyed you in the past but who you later get a better understanding of. This seems equivalent to the Suggest Awes idea to me except more elegant and more in keeping with restorative justice. Not sure how much of a pig it would be to code tho.

Anyway thanx for your continuing endeavours.

Thanks :) I guess what I was thinking is that the system, should it stay (and clearly it isnt going anywhere), should perhaps be a little more disciplined. What are we asking for bans to apply to? I think we mostly agree its things like image floods, vicious abuse, assholism... it does get into grey areas of course, but if bans apply to specific things, people can request them on that basis. It wont stop people from clicking "ban because theyre being abusive" on someone they just dont like, but hey, people are people.

argh nabiscoxpost

I do also like the "vote back up" idea. Many forums have a thumbs up and down thing (look at youtube).

Thing is Trayce that if you make people give dishonest reasons for why they've clicked the button then you're not really learning anything from the process.

Well no thats not the idea. The idea is, there are only very specific reasons to want a ban.

Other forums do this simply by having hard and fast rules by which mods will go "ok GTFO" if you break them. Pretty simple, but I know it goes against the whole ILX ethos, so. I dunno.

The argument against sb still seems to be, for the majority of people, "I personally wouldn't have banned x poster".

That's a pretty lame argument.

Everyone that's been sbanned so far has a pretty good idea why, and as someone said upthread it can be traced back to behaviour that was obviously bugging other posters and easily changeable if the bannee so wished.

Most of the posters that were banned, I'd have preferred not to have been, but it wasn't a mystery when they were or anything.

Also- FTR- I've used the SB button. Not a crazy amount of times, but let's be real here people. Everyone against the system on some idealogical level, you've never used it, right?

Right?

As Ive said before I have used it maybe... once or twice. Dom was one. I'm not averse to saying so. The other if there was one, im not sure.

Heck ive got 11 sbs myself at last count and personally I dont know why, but at the same time I'm not indignant *shrug*

I think it would be difficult to enforce reasons for wanting a ban. You'd end up with regular debates over whether a particular post broke the rules - more so than now I'd guess - or SB would end up being something that we already have a facility for: complaining to mods about specific infractions of existing rules.

I understand people are concerned about frivolous or dickish uses of the SB button but when it comes right down to it every poster might well have a different definition of what constitutes frivolous or dickish, the same as people have very different ideas of what constitutes a SBannable post. I would be very wary of coming to conclusions about what "most" posters want SB to be for.

I'm still confused as to why mods are taking flack for this- If people are being frivolous or dickish in their use of the function, then that's a totally separate issue, and who would get to decide if that was the case anyway?

Precisely. I think I know why mods are taking the flack for it tho.

Mods will always cop flack for doing what they do, its pretty simple.

SB was kind of "tut tut it's a shame" when it was the pantomime villains that were getting banned but once much-loved monomaniacs and bores started getting the old 51 it became the greatest human rights outrage in history.

I have just about come around to the idea of SBs in principle, since the mods seem to find it useful. But imo, the bar is being set too low, and too may people are getting SBed. (I realise there's a leap in that sentence, which I can spell out if you want, but I think everyone is bored of that.) So basically, I think we should either increase 51 to 77, reduce 6 months to 3 or 4, or both. Peace.

xp lololo

Pretty sure I've never ever used the SB. I kind of hope that if someone pissed me off all that much, then I'd have the guts to let them know directly. I respect people that do this in a tactful, sensitive way. I do recognise that this approach doesn't actually work in the case of posters that e.g. drive everyone bananas with the endless repetition of their cranky opinions. Those sort of people seem to be shut off from logical argument. I don't think they should be banned for being fools though.

you shouldn't get a tempban from a website for driving everyone bananas?

max's idea re: per-board SBs seems like a good one btw.

http://www.bananabusaruba.com/gallery/images/gallery/gallery_r5_c4.gif

is anyone really driven bananas by e.g. ir (anag)?

Thing is, who is to judge whether being rude to somebody - which is a whole dictionary of micro-distinctions in itself - is worse or more detrimental to the board than attention whoring or persistent thread derailment or whatever else? Some people find one thing spoils their enjoyment of ILX, some people react to something else. It's always other people's skins that look thin, isn't it?

I dunno, but isn't spoiling enjoyment a pretty low bar for sb? Here I'm not thinking of what's possible, since sb as currently implemented doesn't require you to have any reason for s'ing a b. I'm thinking of what's right. Like, it seems to me a better way of dealing with many of the behaviors that have been sb'd so far---basically, repeated thread hijacking by saying the same thing again and again---would be ignoring those posters. Let social ostracism do its work; i.e. don't feed the trolls. But I guess after 9 years or whatever the same kinds of thread hijackings are still happening, so maybe ostracism is never going to happen here.

It gets more complex when someone who 51 people think is a dick, is thought of as a great poster by a bunch of others. So I'm just focusing on what's annoying rather than dickish or bullying.

It gets more complex when someone who 51 people think is a dick, is thought of as a great poster by a bunch of others.

not under sb, it doesn't.

If ostracism was gonna work I guess the internet would be troll-free by now.

My personal feeling is that the mods' main function is to stop ILX turning into other forums, and part of that means we need a system for regulating stupidity just as surely as we try to regulate meanness - both of which are very subjective concepts. SB is a noble work in progress that tries to overcome some of that subjectivity. It's not perfect, but it helps.

I feel you on regulating stupidity. That has a lot more to do with my enjoyment of ILX than the occasional dickish posts do.

Right, I just clicked "Suggest Ban" just to see what happens (did not conclude)

That's a very short 'warning' message, and yeah it could be lengthened and made more "You do realise that this is a radical step, shouldn't you chill the fuck out first? Or was it rally that bad" etc, but of course the reaction would be "yeah yeah yeah, click"

how about the 'confirm Suggest Ban" has to be done in conjunction with entering yr user password?

^ i like.

outcome-'yeah yeah yeah password'

Perhaps with password auto-filling, yes. But in theory it definitely is a stronger physical and hence psychological barrier.

Geir is back, by the way.

xp- outcome- "yeah yeah yeah password jeez the mods are dicks this is a pain"

Geir is back, by the way.

Does he know it yet? Are you informed when your ban ends or do you have to come here to find out?

You get a strippergram.

http://www.dialaphone.co.uk/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/robopole.jpg

I hope she doesn't have R&B as her strip music.

Akshully if everybody who got 51d was notified by strippergram I think this wd resolve a lot of these issues.

did we ever decide what to do with that extra cash we collected? just sayin, y'know.

ilx sponsored strippergram flying first class, good thoughts

"On the down side, I got SBd for a month, but on the up side I got a strippergram and a 'Sorry We Hate You' cake."

i wonder how many sb's we've collected for derailing this important public service thread.

NONE

thank you, mr moderator. your activities are very much appreciated.

was expecting far more dramas on this thread while i was at the pub etc etc

OMG DRINKING ON THE JOB YOU MODS ARE RANCID LET'S TEAR THIS MOTHERFUCKER DOWN ETC

Nah but we took the liberty of contacting a strippergram agency hope that's ok

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v165/noodle_vague/tarus.jpg

This guy looks like he has the tact and gravitas needed for the job

Or for those posters that just can't take the hint there's

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v165/noodle_vague/sexecute.jpg

can't we have one meta thread without nude swordsmen?

Hey, don't make me sexecute your ass

NSFW

http://www.coloringbookland.com/images/jesusnude.JPG

its p obv that just being a dick doesnt get you sb'd & that u only get got for having opinions that a bunch of ppl dont like or being a weird dude or w/e

― ¨°º¤ø„¸¸„ø¤º°¨ (Lamp), Thursday, November 26, 2009 12:22 PM (2 days ago) Bookmark

is that lil faggot stealing british money?
― ¨°º¤ø„¸¸„ø¤º°¨ (Lamp), Friday, November 27, 2009 9:19 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

^^^

let me be blindingly clear: whatever someone's justification for using terms like "faggot," I feel strongly that people who do so should be banned from this site, and I don't think any justification for lol use of abusive language holds any water. oh no word police!!! what about free speech!!! w/e don't complain about sb if you're the kind of person who makes posts like that

he is a lil faggot fyi

i imagine lamp is reclaiming the word

yeah I wondered tbh but that shit is kinda bullshit anyway imo. hangin out w/dudes who're reclaiming abusive language is v. diff irl than online where seeing that kinda shit is just fucking bogus

language is difficult to feel

i dont know what that means

it's a drop from an awesome house jam I danced to for three hours in '94 IIRC

*pianos*

anyway the issue isn't language so much as its use in anonymous live online environments I think

I mean really Tuomas wouldn't get banned at a party, you'd just keep giving him booze until he passed out, then draw on his face in sharpie - my lobby for "suggest draw on face w/sharpie" button was rudely ignored

lool

"Suggest Teabagging by Sexecute"

didnt really read the thread but ima just get this off my chest

so when i keep showing up and saying "the majority of suggest bans come from when people attack other posters out of the blue" over and over again, you dudes just think im lying to you or what

― NAKES HAVE THE STAPLES IN THEM (jjjusten), Thursday, November 26, 2009 1:01 PM (2 days ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

nah it's just that people are pussies out of the blue

on the missing jordan thread pash cited examples of what a FUCKEN RUTHLESS ZINGING MONSTER he is and then linked to some completely harmless bullshit that only a giant weeping vagina would sb someone for - i dont believe i've ever really railed against sb before even after multiple bannings, because my general feeling on it is/was 'what comes around goes around' - it's not like i had no clue what the net result of my posting habits would be - but the moment jordan s was banned, it became crystal clear that the system is i) retarded ii) bullshit iii) absolutely being misused by shartnosed ninnies with victim complexes

also re: thread title, here is option #6 - suck my diiiiiiiiiiiiiick

7) Use the god-damn Killfile!

daaaaamn imo

xp

ED3 OTM throughout this thread as usual.

maybe there should be a built in killfile - a hide this poster button

instead of a sb button

Predict 5000-post "Why Am I Kill-filed?" threads

full of dudes talking to themselves

i dont even know what the killfile is tbqh

I think you need to be running Firefox with Greasemonkey to make the killfile work. I don't even know if it still works at all, to be honest. But it's a much better system than the SB one.

would require the killfiler to sacrifice something - namely understanding wtfs going on - sb is too easy

all i know about the killfile is that j blount popped up one day ranting like a crazy dude about how great the killfile was and how much more readable it made ilx and then he disappeared again

http://csos.movieset.com/download/movieset/o/b/2008-11/back-to-the-future.jpg

btw i want 2 make it clear that i do not support the abolishment of sb - i find it hilarious and have sb'd at least 4 ppl in this thread alone - 5 if trayce counts as two ppl - i just find it surreal that ppl still debate it based on the premise that it is in any way a moderation tool. it is first and foremost a system for generating board drama - to imply otherwise makes u a liar in the face of G*d. the only sb reforms i want instituted are ones that will make it more entertaining, like making public the log of SBs (who made them and for what posts), stuff that will get ppl lunging at each others throats like rabid dogs basically

^^ only sane man in the madhouse

we all realize that cankles is not coming back from another suggest ban, right

― a Barbie-like nub where he provates should be (HI DERE), Thursday, November 12, 2009 4:07 PM (2 weeks ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

u on some dangerous shit dogg

lol what a tragedy that would be

http://www.spriters-resource.com/gameboy_advance/mother3/negativeman_icon.PNG

n-nooo....

lolo fu ade

i hate cankles because he's an uppity bitch with a nonconformist attitude and an assertive sexuality that i find scary and threatening

I'm going to totally go all out faux naive posting style on the "why was cankles banned?" thread

haha i thought you were claiming that that was how you were planning to "go out"

bury me a g

yeah seriously law-of-the-jungle ideology like this is exactly what the SB is great against. the notion that people should either learn to be dicks back to people who're being dicks to them, or in some way develop strategies against hostile, antagonizing posters, is bullshit. but it fact, the silent majority can project itself. by clicking the suggest ban button.

― a full circle lol (J0hn D.), Thursday, November 26, 2009 2:46 PM (2 days ago) Bookmark

silent majority = 1.1% of registered posters. the real silent majority gets no say in the process whatsoever.

3,832 registered users 168,026 threads 7,693,716 messages You have posted 21,785 messages 61 logged in users active in the past five minutes

hmmmmm math

IN THE PAST FIVE MINUTES

HMMMMMM MATH MOTHERFUCKER

jk on the motherfucker i have low blood sugar

u r bad at the maths

xp ok lol

i don't know if the mods have received any feedback about the sb system, but how about anti-SBs? it seems like if 51 people do _not_ want a user SBed, that should count for something?

pretty certain that has not been suggested ever

cool

it would probably only take ten minutes or so to code up too. just an if statement and minus sign somewhere.

sry. i prob deserve sb for snide snarkiness tbh.

pretty sure i dont want 99.99% of users sbed, but thats going to take a lot of time

we are giving each other jokes, it's cool

xp, yeah, but maybe you'd only anti-SB (aka, suggest bone) someone you were worried about (i am thinking of a particular poster here, for example)

i'd be okay with this board if it was just, like, jj's dog and cankles tbh.

i mean, i'm not going to anti-SB max because he is so milquetoast, but when cankles brings the ruckus, you know?

xp hahah, me too!

the only sb reforms i want instituted are ones that will make it more entertaining, like making public the log of SBs (who made them and for what posts), stuff that will get ppl lunging at each others throats like rabid dogs basically

― farting irl (cankles), Saturday, 28 November 2009 16:05

behind this 100%. I'd have a separate tab open just to watch the SBs coming in.

I really want to know who it is I've SBd because while I know it's not many I can't remember who and this whole business is making me wonder.

i mean, i'm not going to anti-SB max because he is so milquetoast, but when cankles brings the ruckus, you know?

xp hahah, me too!

― caek, Saturday, November 28, 2009 6:56 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

:'(

i wonder what a sub-board consisting of just cankles and jjusten's dog would be like.

well i'm guessing hank isn't very good at computers, so

tho i'm sure he'd be entertained by a thread of just looking at those fuckin cats

lolll

don't complain about sb if you're the kind of person who makes posts like that

hope u get hepatitis after getting mugged and gangraped by a pack of feral homeless u hysterical schoolmarm

... u can only sb some1 once, right?

weak

i mean you can post this grade Z cankles kind of shit here but we see you posting in proper caps and shit about dinner parties and on ILB, u aint foolin us kid

its on purpose transparent i mean really welcome 2 the internet J0hn D. so

but its like could you make it on purpose transparent and maybe also, i dont know, good or entertaining or funny, pal

Lamp, are you insecure?

lol

Guys what the heck? Lamp is great. Why are we turning on one another all of a sudden? :-(

because someone decided it would be a great idea to have yet another discussion about the suggest ban system.

yeah well p sure you know how I feel about that one lol

im just saying ^ u quality imo, im not saying i hate dude

nah roxy's right it was p weak as far as trolling goes *sheepish shrug*

trolling has to be method imo

Fair point. I just . . . idk. Things seem weirdly tense the last couple days.

fuck the world imo

yeah to be honest I'm sorta with you on that one atm

xp - yeah they do/did.

insert obligatory Lamp quit bein a dick post here

thought that's what SB was for

AYO!

i mean you can post this grade Z cankles kind of shit here but we see you posting in proper caps and shit about dinner parties and on ILB, u aint foolin us kid

― afa the i can c (roxymuzak), Saturday, November 28, 2009 10:17 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

thank you so much for this, although honestly this is kinda how i feel about the original cankles most of the time, kind of tired of normal relatively smart cats thinking it's so adorable to play act at being inarticulate archie bunkers

requires a certain poetic precision

i am actually pretty inarticulate and pretty racist, not sure which part of that u think is play acting - i always like when ppl on here defend me as if they're in on a joke or something, never seem to consider the ugly possibility that this is just what i'm really like

you are an enigma. a beautiful racist enigma.

don't fight our love, canks

kind of tired of normal relatively smart cats thinking it's so adorable to play act at being inarticulate archie bunkers

otm.

never seem to consider the ugly possibility that this is just what i'm really like

yeah yeah I'm sure you end every sentence 'faggot' when in public or when you're talking to your family.

sure jbr, not in mixed company because of the reactions of people like sterling, but yeah its just another piece of rap slang, i dont tell my grandmother her macaroni is off the motherfucking chain either but if im with hiphop people sure no big deal

you don't tell her that you're gonna fuck that shit up and go back for seconds?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ge_V2XuFshg

canks' grams

cank i think you're definitely putting on airs less than some other guys who like to post sentence fragments full of slurs but c'mon "posting in proper caps and shit about dinner parties" ain't that far off from describing a lot of your posts in old threads from like '03

lol well yeah exactly dude, i was 18 in 03 - i changed a lot from 18-21, like most people i know

tho in many ways i am still fundamentally the same person, my priorities are wildly different~

were you farting irl when you were 18?

from ages 18 to 21, cankles went through the traditional dinner parties -> 'fags' transition that we all do

18 year olds r way more earnest

ffs its a message board not sumwhere to display ur beautiful heart

c i aint got time tyrna be big cank

cankles-lite brigade has arrived in full force

didnt u get temp banned 4 making rape jokes a couple of weeks ago????

lol recankinations

ugh i just sharted

wearin sweatpants tho so it's ok

sharting irl / sweatpants imo

dont shart yr jorts bro

didnt u get temp banned 4 making rape jokes a couple of weeks ago????

yellow carded for assuming ilx poster suzy had a sense of humor :( :( (deserved as much I guess)

wait, whatr u complainin abt again?

The Minutemen continued to tour even when Watt was suffering from chronic diarrhea. He simply duct-taped the leg openings of his sweatpants and sloshed onward.

lool

"Maybe Shartying Will Help"

^^^ serious lol

amazing work!!

hahahahaha

omg

kind of tired of normal relatively smart cats thinking it's so adorable to play act at being inarticulate archie bunkers

^^fwiw i agree with this

i dont know anyone besides cankles who could be called an "archie bunker"--i always thought the constant use of abbrevs and elision of vowels was a jhoshea thing anyway

sharting econo

sharty sharty sharty let's all get nasty

don't be sharty to the party

this is as good a place as any to say that i think the SB system is bad.

i've argued in favor of it before, or at least, argued against whatever dimwit arguments tuomas was coming up with. and don't get me started on momus. don't get me started!

but it's lame. i liked the idea of 'community policing' cos it seemed more fair, decentralized and uh organic than relying on mod actions alone, but this has not been the result. so here we are, another SB discussion.

i'm in favor of scrapping the system altogether. if there is a mobilization of ilx public opinion to make this change, then i am behind that.

It seems that mods (or at least the ones who've commented on the subject) feel SB is here to stay, no matter what the public opinion is. I find it kinda sad, I thought the pre-SB moderation system worked fine as it was (and in my opinion almost all ILX mods have been fair and just in their moderation), so it didn't seem like there was any real need for this feature. Why hold on to a system that has obviously caused more problems and bad blood than the one we had before?

i should totally be a mod, btw

you should!

i should totally get ILC mod rights for this login because i had them on my old one pwetty pwease

bring back ban {x} threads

xp - probably should post that on mod request rather than here.

bring back ban {x} threads

absolutely not

canks' grams

just to clarify, cankles is quoting a classic ILX post by ethan with the macaroni thing

ban de Soleil

i would rather see it gone too, but i don't think it is going to go. therefore i think people should only be allowed to give out a limited number of suggest bans. maybe 10, though even that seems high. anyone who truly wants more than 10 people banned from ilx might want to look at their own attitudes and expectations.

i should totally get ILC mod rights for this login because i had them on my old one pwetty pwease

― a. cole, u thic (acoleuthic), Monday, November 30, 2009 3:28 PM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

just login w/yr old account if u need to mod - das what i do

i would rather see it gone too, but i don't think it is going to go. therefore i think people should only be allowed to give out a limited number of suggest bans. maybe 10, though even that seems high. anyone who truly wants more than 10 people banned from ilx might want to look at their own attitudes and expectations.

I think this would be a definite improvement, it should discourage SBing for for no good reason.

i guess jho, it is not much of a sacrifice

haha you're given 7 but you can use all 7 up on one poster if you like? cue mayhem

you should be given 51 to use as you please

what if you got 1 sb to use each time you got sb'd? (that seemed to work pretty well in the movie 'pay it forward')

so any time i want to sb someone i start acting like an asshole?

I think it would be safer to act like an asshole ahead of time

what if no one acted like an asshole or sb-ed anyone?

that means your modem is not plugged in

i don't know how keith wld code that neway

this guy in a Staples parking lot near my work was trying to sell me some cologne out of his car that he said came with a high APR

I thought it was just some chemical content shit but at some point the dude let me know that APR stood for automatic panty removal

uh oh i'm having a fantasy, a new scent by calvin klein

itt a strange man asks if you saw the ass on that one

those two posts were supposed to go in the api thread

what if no one acted like an asshole or sb-ed anyone?

― sarahel, Monday, 30 November 2009 22:31 (Yesterday) [IP:]

that means your modem is not plugged in

― bnw, Monday, 30 November 2009 22:32 (Yesterday) [IP:]

Hahahahaha bnw.

i would rather see it gone too, but i don't think it is going to go. therefore i think people should only be allowed to give out a limited number of suggest bans. maybe 10, though even that seems high. anyone who truly wants more than 10 people banned from ilx might want to look at their own attitudes and expectations.

― estela, Monday, November 30, 2009 12:38 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark

I strongly agree with this idea.

yeah lets start an sb black market

ban and trade

fyi SBs have started to expire. the poster closest to 51 had 44 SBs, and that's dropped to 18.

max?

I bet that wasn't a zing, and was instead an honest and slightly concerned inquiry

ok expiry is going to make a big difference. the previous top three (all more than 41 SBs) are now back into single figures

missed my window of infamy :/

so if j0rdan had held out a little bit longer - he would have been nowhere near getting banned?

haha im pretty sure some ppl sb'd him at the last minute just because it was inevitable & we figured this way he would return on christmas

"we"

not nowhere near -- he had a lot more recent SBs than these other three i've just done xp

the system works imo.

however, i think that when u come back from the dead, you should get to sb people u already sb'd before getting 86'd.

because they all get a second crack at you (im assuming).

i like the idea of a finite # of SBs that can be passed around various users, and you can old spend ones you "earn" but you never know how many you have, if any

there should be a finite # of votes. or perhaps the more people you sb the more the weighting on those votes gets fractionally divided.

i say this because i really dont read ilx or participate anymore. but about a week ago i saw an old hstencil post and sb'd him for a laugh. then i searched for current user names of as many vile people here i could remember. only came up with 4 or 5.

kate was one of them and seeing just now she caught the ban i'm surprised. not taking responsibility as maybe i put her in the late 40s but still, my action had no justification. and i always just assumed the passive-aggressive folks here used the ban function for venal and petty purposes. i'd take it back if i could.

THE SYSTEM WORKS

which is to say ppl who "dont read ilx or participate anymore" are suggest banning active posters!

lol @ sanskrit dropping in settling some old scores and peacing

fyi SBs have started to expire. the poster closest to 51 had 44 SBs, and that's dropped to 18.

― stet, Monday, November 30, 2009 8:00 PM (Yesterday)

this was almost certainly me, awesome

http://img1.fantasticfiction.co.uk/images/c1/c8210.jpg

it is funny how a combination of kshighway + actually being a good poster have made KK look like a good poster after all

This new expiry thing means we're all going to need to be a bit more carefree with the SBs or no-one will ever get the chop.

SBd you for that

It's been my line of thinking for a while that six-month expiry would solve the major structural problem in the way the SB system works (ie loads of people would get to 51 eventually).

I think part of the problem has been that, simply put, bans have been occurring too frequently. I think this new system should, hopefully, weed out the people that *really* wind people up while ensuring that we don't have to go through the SB argument seemingly every week.

It'd be good if people could see how this new system pans out before getting back into this argument. It's already had a major impact on the complexion of the list and will hopefully work a lot better.

where do we go to complain that poster x hasn't been banned?

i hate that guy

yeah but if he was banned- oh boy watch out for how he becomes everyone favourite poster all of a sudden

here's my q

u can only SB a person once right?

can u re-SB after the 6-month ban disappearance?

y

is it cool if i write a script that SBs my most hated posters on regular six-months intervals?

ideally it would be pegged to their birthday

who r ur most hated posters u can webmail me if u want but not really

i could've gone for a lazy zing there, but i'll just be frank with you:

max
everyone from hastings
cyclists/gays/anyone in tight clothes
the entire country of england
aeon flux

seems fair

we need a suggest ban england button

suggest teabag

gbx doesnt like max?????

this is like when i found out that gear didnt like mark c

was that a secret btw

is it cool if i write a script that SBs my most hated posters on regular six-months intervals?

ideally it would be pegged to their birthday

gbx's least favorite posters have two birthdays a year

a good reason to hate someone imo

i also don't like bikers or anyone from the town i grew up in, yes

h8 yrself, u r max

*_*

two, the max

fu im on nyquil and just woke up from a 16 hr hibernation

tbh i stopped reading your list after "max" to freeq out typing

hey wait a minute!

lol

i don't even know who that is /amateurist

gear? he was a poster

does mark c even still post

markleby memorial thread is a classic, cant lie

markleby in tombot comic

do they expire at age 6 months or is there some every 6 month purge of all sbs? i am still going to argue about the arbitrary numbers involved, also that it discourages posting in general, and that someone could never contribute anything to the board beside sb's. :)

once a month, the fives turn into sixes and then go away

^^^inscrutable

suggest teabag

― 鬼の手 (Edward III), Tuesday, December 1, 2009 12:57 PM (41 minutes ago)

suggest tea party morelike

they expire at age 6 months, so there'll be a sweep every month.

posting volume is up a bit, if that helps. also the SB list shows how many posts each SB-er has made; very generally speaking they seem to be given from ppl w/multiple thousands of posts.

xpp

maybe a link to the killfile should be more prominent on the site? you could even stick it in the sb warning page as another option.

can you tell me how many SBs i have? you can post it here.

u have 7

ah ok xps

haha I'LL say we're getting rid of old ones xp

thank you -_-

xxp

which one is ned

suggest poll imo

you do it, i'm tired

Appears as a colossal Deep One, with tentacles surrounding its one tietie.

sorry for custos

haha the first one said eye \(o_O)/

Ut'Ulls-Hr'Her, imo:

A huge faceless creature with various appendages sprouting from its head, a beard of oozing horns, and many reddish teats and fish-like fins sprouting from an egg-shaped body.

shub raggetrath

that is a point of view! xp to dan

one fine custos day all our display names should be replaced with those

good idea imo

Is there some reason why you couldn't see the number of your SBs all the time? For example, they could be displayed in your user profile. Of course they should be invisible to others, but being able to check the number any time you want to should function as a sufficient early warning system.

And taking that idea even further, is there some reason why shouldn't be able to see the list of posts that have made people SB you anytime you want to? Again, this information should be invisible to others, but your user profile could show the number of your SBs, and when you click that number, you would get a list of the posts which have caused those SBs. This way you would know what is it about your posting style that irritates people without needing to make wild guesses or ask a mod after you've been banned.

It the idea of the SB system is to (self-)regulate unwanted behaviour, these two things would make it easier, and they might avert some unecessary bans and the subsequent controversies.

"if the idea"

why do people keep coming up with "solutions" that obviously require someone to spend a ton of unpaid time writing a bunch of code? it's not going to happen.
1) if you want one of these solutions, write the code and donate it
2) if you can't, stfu

"it's a simple solution, someone just has to sit in front of a computer writing code for 40 hours and not getting any recognition or compensation of any kind"

seriously. "Is there some reason why you couldn't..." is not necessarily followed by a bad idea, but only tuomas could phrase it like that.

well, tbf, displaying yr total SBs in yr profile probably WOULDN'T take that long, given that it's information that mods already have access to. just pull it the same way they do

this is like when people ask me lay out some type for them, on the grounds that it should only take me ten minutes. (i) it will not take me ten minutes (ii) what about the 10 years i spent learning how to do that and the other stuff i could be doing with those skills? and my job?

ok if it wouldn't take that long, then program it and send it stet or keith or whoever

callin yr bluff

i offered to disable the SB feature using display:none and caek.css but that didn't fly

eh there's just this weird sense of entitlement from people who think just because they post here they can demand all kinds of technical changes and extra work

critics shouldn't judge unless they make music

more like critics shouldn't demand over and over and over that a musician go back and remix their album and then get all pouty and whiny when it doesn't happen

i give this thread a 5.1

get it?

when there are lots of people who are really happy with how the album already sounds

enh, i know what you mean, but some stuff (like tuomas' SB on yr profile thing) actually WOULD be easy for someone familiar with the code to implement, i'd wager.

i'm not, so i won't, and i'm not gonna whine if it doesn't happen, but given the fact that we have entire threads devoted to asking for your SB count, it doesn't seem totally out of line to suggest code the idea

nick is looking for something to be a sourpuss about

why do people keep coming up with "solutions" that obviously require someone to spend a ton of unpaid time writing a bunch of code? it's not going to happen.
1) if you want one of these solutions, write the code and donate it
2) if you can't, stfu

Well, somebody took the the time of coding the whole SB feature in the first place, and it's not like there was a huge demand for it.

But I have an even better proposition for you: get rid of the whole Suggest Ban feature. That should take virtually no coding time at all, and it would solve all the problems brought up in the numerous threads we've had about SB ever since it was installed. It's a win-win situation!

:/ i'm a happy guy :/
xpost

It's a win-win situation!

please render your cliches in finnish

Se on tulos, jossa molemmat osapuolet hyötyvät!

hey, its n/a, the guy who doesn't give shit and repeatedly tells us so

not sure where that's coming from, if i didn't give a shit i wouldn't complain about all this stuff. i like suggest bans, think they work well, and so eliminating them would not be a "win-win" situation for me.

Is there some reason why you couldn't see the number of your SBs all the time? For example, they could be displayed in your user profile. Of course they should be invisible to others, but being able to check the number any time you want to should function as a sufficient early warning system.

And taking that idea even further, is there some reason why shouldn't be able to see the list of posts that have made people SB you anytime you want to? Again, this information should be invisible to others, but your user profile could show the number of your SBs, and when you click that number, you would get a list of the posts which have caused those SBs. This way you would know what is it about your posting style that irritates people without needing to make wild guesses or ask a mod after you've been banned.

dude sorry to be a dick to you but either code it yourself or shut up with all these "here, do all this work to satisfy me, the great Tuomas"

i honestly didn't realize i have been coming across as so consistently snarky/mean/whatever these days, but apparently i have. i've probably been on ilx too long, i'm pretty tired of all of these endless repetitive meta arguments but i find it really hard to stay out of them and also i want to make sure that the anti-sb crew doesn't "win" just because everyone gets tired of arguing with them.

hey guys is it out of the question to let the site admins say if theyre willing/able to code something or not?

dude sorry to be a dick to you but either code it yourself or shut up with all these "here, do all this work to satisfy me, the great Tuomas"

I don't know why you two keep bringing up this argument? If I knew how to code I would certainly help make those things possible, but I'm not a coder. However, it's not like the actual coders are against suggestions that might make ILX better: they've even started a thread asking for those kind of suggestions. I'm just making two more. If the coders say, it's too much work, we don't have the time to do it, that's fine by me. But you don't need to speak on their behalf.

kinda funny tbh how the pro-sb argument has morphed from "it's working fine!" to "it's too hard to code!" as it becomes more and more obvious that it's not working fine

it's working fine

it's not quite "babies have fingernails" yet but it's getting there

it's working fine

i think it's working fine

suggest poll

lol @ babies have fingernails

btw the correct answer is "it wasn't working fine, now that 6-month expiry is in it might be working fine, we won't know for another 6 months"

i dunno, people complaining about SB remind me about people who i grew up with who were always complaining that the cops were hassling them. maybe the cops were in fact hassling them but if they weren't occasionally crossing lines they wouldn't even ever have to deal with the cops. which is to say maybe there's something to be said for the fact that if you're closing in on 50, and you'd rather not be closing in on 50, maybe you should take a break before the break takes you (/ soviet russia). i know some people have pretty much gone for the 50 willingly and don't care, of course.

btw the correct answer is "it wasn't working fine, now that 6-month expiry is in it might be working fine, we won't know for another 6 months"

If that's the correct answer, why are people still talking about this?

this isn't about the cops, its about the snitches

that's the $64K question, jesus CHRIST some people like to whip on that dead horse
xpost

xp tbf i am the first one who recognized the correct answer, a couple minutes ago

I don't know why you two keep bringing up this argument? If I knew how to code I would certainly help make those things possible, but I'm not a coder.

kinda funny tbh how the pro-sb argument has morphed from "it's working fine!" to "it's too hard to code!" as it becomes more and more obvious that it's not working fine

it is working fine for a lot of people. if I had a problem with it, I think I could probably put aside a little time/call some coding friend who'd help me throw something together instead of coming with this ultra-entitled "the system must be changed since I & others have a problem with it." it's not that "it's too hard to code" (which no-one said, at all, just that it takes time) -- it's that there is no reason to do the coding. there's a system in place. anybody who doesn't like it is free to contribute some actual code & I'm sure that if it's good code, it can be sandboxed.

you are creating policy out of the air

the ILX code is no longer public afaik

it's that there is no reason to do the coding. there's a system in place.

But you could just as well argue there was no reason to do the coding for the SB in the first place. We had a system in place before it, and I thought it was fine. SB has made it worse.

yes, that that argument would be dull and solipsistic in the extreme, to the point of making others incredulous that a person is still making it when he has already made his position clear

All I'm saying is that your "system is in place, the coding is done" argument is not very good. If it would be, ILX code would still be the same as in 2000.

MY MESSAGEBOARD, RIGHT OR WRONG

http://www.ballet.co.uk/images/suzanne_farrell/pk_don_quixote_momchil_mladenov_eric_ragan_windmill_sighting_500.jpg

can I just

the problem is having any constructive discussion about how to modify the current system is near impossible

― 鬼の手 (Edward III), Friday, November 27, 2009 12:13 AM (4 days ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

yeah whatever you say

― electrical audio's sm57 (electricsound), Friday, November 27, 2009 12:17 AM (4 days ago) Bookmark

Like I said way upthread, I don't want to make any changes to SB for the next six months, to see if all the changes we've already made make a big difference.

I'm kinda against ideas like Tuomas's one anyway because it makes SB a much higher profile part of the site than it needs to be. It should really be a last resort type of thing, and people really shouldn't be getting banned from it every week or two. If it's so high profile and frequent that you need to keep a permanent eye on your SB count, I think something's fundamentally wrong, and ideas like that are just window dressing.

Expiry is really making a dramatic difference, though. Already the SB page has gone from a fair number of people getting close to a ban to effectively nobody. There's no-one even past 40, and only two people past halfway. If SB is still seen as a big problem next summer then yeah, we need to look again at how it works/if it should be here at all. I don't think it will be, though.

I can tell by your literary references that youre one of those "arty" types

xp jd

yeah chasing windmills is so super arty

thanks stet--that all makes sense. only thing i'd say re: tuomas' idea is that it would prevent a certain situation recently where a longtime poster was purportedly blindsided by the fact that they were suggest banned. but i understand not wanting to make it high profile.

i had either totally forgotten or didn't know that sunsetting SB's was happening

Tuomas, I have no problem with you or anyone else suggesting changed to ILX moderation, but when those suggestions involve work for someone, and when you make a point of saying how easy it seems like it should be to do, you're not doing your case any favours with the people with the chops to actually implement them.

system getting changed means the system works crowd was WRONG btw ;)

i know piling on tuomas is hilarious safe fun for everybody but:

However, it's not like the actual coders are against suggestions that might make ILX better: they've even started a thread asking for those kind of suggestions. I'm just making two more. If the coders say, it's too much work, we don't have the time to do it, that's fine by me.

I'm fine with that, Stet. Let's wait for 6 months and see what happens.

Just want to say one thing though: SB has been high profile because prominent posters have gotten banned due to it, and sometimes for not so obvious reasons. Things that might help people understand those reasons, and hence not to get banned (such as my two ideas), should make it less high profile, not more.

(xxxx-post)

Things that might help people understand those reasons

when somebody tells you that they've gotten your point already & then says "I'm sb-ing you if you say the same thing even one more time" and then you say it three more times, that's a possible indicator of what people are clicking sb for.

Yeah, but I think Kate's example proves it's not always that obvious.

x-post what? has that happened?

I agree that the expiry (or lack thereof) was a major issue with the initial implementation of the sb system, it's good that it's in place now

still don't understand why people feel the need to vehemently defend the system against critics to the point where they're attacking the people making the criticisms, especially when the mods have made it perfectly clear that sb isn't going anywhere

http://mosquito.25.free.fr/LFS/Fakes/en/Troll%27s%20Brain%20and%20memory.gif

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3251/2696731859_ef5517a5e5.jpg

kudos

that is good work

also, the "but who will do the coding?" question is irrelevant

I can code, but I wouldn't write something I knew would never get implemented

proper process would be 1) discussion, 2) mod acceptance, 3) implementation

we're at step 1 and getting worked up about step 3 is a bit premature

proper process would be 1) discussion, 2) mod acceptance, 3) implementation

whether this is actually the proper process needs to be discussed on at least 100 threads before I'll accept it

xp

the "who will do the coding" thing is absolutely irrelevant, yeah. your 1,2,3 is otm. i think doing it in reverse, which is my understanding of how SB was came to be, is what got us in this situation in the first place.

but a lot of comments on how SB should be changed seem to confuse 1) and 3), and skip 2). things being easy to implement in the heads of non-coders, or even coders who have not seen the ILX code, is not relevant to their argument. and bringing it up is bordering on antagonistic toward the people they're asking to do with the work.

i think doing it in reverse, which is my understanding of how SB was came to be, is what got us in this situation in the first place.

sorry, i'm sure more went on behind the scenes.

Well, certainly the discussion took part only after the implementation. At first people didn't even have any idea what the whole thing was.

to be clear, i don't actually want anyone to code any of these stupid suggestions, i want ilxors to stop feeling entitled to have technical changes made to ilx at their every whim

i really, seriously don't think anyone feels that way

Well, certainly the discussion took part only after the implementation. At first people didn't even have any idea what the whole thing was.

― Tuomas, Wednesday, December 2, 2009 6:53 AM (2 minutes ago)

how well i remember that terrible protracted grasping process.

xxp, jeez nick.

xp, lol

not that this is going to stop you, but this is all completely academic now, tuomas. it's pretty clear from the numbers being posted on http://www.ilxor.com/ILX/ThreadSelectedControllerServlet?boardid=77&threadid=70310&action=showall&bookmarkedmessageid=1163054 that no one is ever going to get SBed again. i have no idea how anyone could rack up 51 in six months without being obnoxious enough for mods to intervene. SB was fun, but it is essentially dead now, so don't worry about it any more.

tbf there was a lot of discussion before implementation, it was just with mods. i don't know that something like that is something you can really discuss beforehand and get any sort of conclusion on, because guessing what effect something is going to have on ILX is ... tricky, and deeply subjective. eg, I think SNA changed the site's dynamic in a lot of ways, but there was no way to know whether it'd be good or bad except to see how it turned out in practice. It too had to be meddled with afterwards, but I think it turned out OK. xxxp

how well i remember that terrible protracted grasping process.

― estela, Tuesday, December 1, 2009 3:59 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

more like prolapsed gaping abscess

u all arguing against suggesting code changes are being so fucking dense - the reason people continue to ask for changes is despite the mods general so not gonna happen attitude these suggestions are often enacted - and thus an incentive to suggest more changes is born

iirc in an ironic twist no one coldve ever seen coming the sb system was originally conceptualized by a prominent poster who was l8r 51d off teh bord himself

whether this is actually the proper process needs to be discussed on at least 100 threads before I'll accept it

you know who else used sarcasm HITLER

there is no limit on the autoban we all know that

― DZL (deeznuts), Thursday, September 11, 2008 4:42 PM

The limit is 50. You are at 23.

― Keith, Thursday, September 11, 2008 4:43 PM

Asking for changes isn't a bad thing in and of itself. Asking them in the context of "btw you totally suck and everything you do is wrong and the only way I MIGHT shut up about how much I hate what you're doing is if you do this thing I am assuming is simple" is what we are finding annoying.

jus curious dan cause i know yr a lol computer guy do u or any non keith and stet entities ever work on the site or is it just those 2 sweet dudes

To my knowledge, it's just them. I wanted to get involved but (despite my posting frequency making it seem otherwise) I ran out of spare time to really do anything significant to contribute.

i am in charge of popular stylesheet caek.css. push your changes to me via git if you have any.

ah so thx xp

tbf there was a lot of discussion before implementation, it was just with mods. i don't know that something like that is something you can really discuss beforehand and get any sort of conclusion on, because guessing what effect something is going to have on ILX is ...

Well, I think it would've nice for at least to let people voice their opinions. When ILX went registered-only, there was a huge discussion before it happened, and I think it was ultimately for the good. It's always better to have some transparency than not, because then people won't feel like there's a "mod conspiracy" to mess with them. Even if you've already decied to implement a new feature, I can't see how having people discuss it beforehand could do any harm; at the very least it might help to pinpoint some potential problems in the feature that the mods might have not considered. The way SB was installed, at first people didn't even know what exactly it does, which created a lot of confusion.

eg, I think SNA changed the site's dynamic in a lot of ways, but there was no way to know whether it'd be good or bad except to see how it turned out in practice. It too had to be meddled with afterwards, but I think it turned out OK.

The difference is that SNA is an optional feature that can be ignored by those people who don't care about it (like me). That is very much not the case with SBs.

i wld b willing 2 code but only something that autoreplaced posts w cool unicode designs

The way SB was installed, at first people didn't even know what exactly it does, which created a lot of confusion.

Some people. . . still don't understand it

Asking them in the context of "btw you totally suck and everything you do is wrong and the only way I MIGHT shut up about how much I hate what you're doing is if you do this thing I am assuming is simple" is what we are finding annoying.

How many people have done this though? For every change I've suggested, I've tried to provide the reasons I think it would be sensible, and I've certainly never said the mods or anyone sucks. I don't think they do.

those 2 sentiments are generally not combined in the same post tbf

When ILX went registered-only, there was a huge discussion before it happened, and I think it was ultimately for the good.
that's not really the same; you can tell how that's going to work and there's a clear decision to be made. With this the problem it was solving didn't have clear edges, the solution didn't have clear edges, and what would actually happen was hard to predict. It'd have been exactly like the SB discussions were, except with even fewer facts.

It's always better to have some transparency than not
Agreed on this. There could always be a better job done, but we are getting better, i think. Compared to the v1 launch where I basically went "it's on, have at it" and the v4 launch where Keith posted a monster changelog, i'm def aware of the need to explain stuff.

(SNA, btw, affects the smaller boards because there threads are way more visible than before; even if none of their users ever step outside into the zinglands)

Asking for changes isn't a bad thing in and of itself. Asking them in the context of "btw you totally suck and everything you do is wrong and the only way I MIGHT shut up about how much I hate what you're doing is if you do this thing I am assuming is simple" is what we are finding annoying.

what mod persecution fantasy thread is this happening on?

maybe the one where you accuse the mods of having a persecution fantasy?

nobody said the mods suck and everything they do is wrong

if fact ppl were pretty grateful upthread about the expiry thing

I still think that a lot of people click on "SB" as if it were the equivalent of voting up or down a post. I mean, I'm guessing a lot of these are joeks, but I wonder:

basket > foot > hock > watching paint > base

― Obama seems to have the views of a 21-year-old Hispanic girl (HI DERE), Wednesday, May 27, 2009 2:06 PM (6 months ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

SB'd you for that

― resistance is feudal (WmC), Wednesday, May 27, 2009 2:09 PM (6 months ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

***

classic 90s, no question. the point where the beats/lyrics had evolved past simple funk loops/barney rubble type rhyme/rhythm schemes, but before the whole culture imploded due to its own weight and became a glossy shell.

― hope this helps (Granny Dainger), Saturday, September 26, 2009 4:40 PM (2 months ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

SB'd you for that

― what an adorably formed "smoke"! (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, September 26, 2009 4:45 PM (2 months ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

***

I voted for ORL even tho I am a Lakers homer. I apologize to those I have offended.

― mayor jingleberries, Wednesday, November 4, 2009 1:41 PM (3 weeks ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

^^ sb'd you for that

― carne asada, Wednesday, November 4, 2009 1:45 PM (3 weeks ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

***

Just about to listen to his Vascomaster cover on FP18 while I do a spot of light dusting around the house. Will I be delighted or disgusted?

― Goethe*s Elective Affinities, Monday, July 13, 2009 11:32 AM (4 months ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i dunno, but i just sb'd you for saying "vascomaster" again

― michael jatas (r1o natsume), Monday, July 13, 2009 11:40 AM (4 months ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

***

you know who this trhead really needs some input from is gabbneb

― rip dom passantino 3/5/09 never forget (max), Thursday, March 19, 2009 10:42 AM (8 months ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

SB'd you for that.

― Alex in SF, Thursday, March 19, 2009 10:47 AM (8 months ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

***

Although to be fair I guess the best modern-day analog for Tristam Shandy would be "How I Met Your Mother," since it is essentially the same thing -- "let me tell you a story," and then the joke is that the story goes on forever before getting to anything remotely resembling what it's supposed to be about

xpost - ok, Cont., but then I don't really get what you are arguing -- I think everyone pretty firmly agrees that this is a more mainstream habit in the modern-day US than in the past

― nabisco, Friday, February 27, 2009 4:01 PM (9 months ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

"Although to be fair I guess the best modern-day analog for Tristam Shandy would be "How I Met Your Mother,""

i just sb'd you for this

― gabbnebuchadnezzar (and what), Friday, February 27, 2009 4:03 PM (9 months ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

***

I liked the Orgy "Blue Monday" enough to hunt down the original on Napster in ninth grade and o.m.g. what a disappointment

― A B C, Thursday, October 29, 2009 1:42 AM (1 month ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

SB'd you for this

― RAPTOBER (sic), Saturday, October 31, 2009 4:04 AM (1 month ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i wanted to do that and am glad someone did

jaymc i sb'ed you for that last post

Okay, really jaymc?

jaymc otm

none of those people dished out those SBs, from what I can see

For the record, no one in any of those exchanges had a suggest ban lodged against them as a result of that exchange. I do not know what the daily average of suggest bans lodged is but I can say that the majority of them have been to posts on this thread, both mods and non-mods, and the people clicking on the suggest ban link span the pro- and anti-sb camps.

My takeaway from that is that people are fucking tired of reading/talking about this.

in b4 the lock

I'm guessing a lot of these are joeks

ding ding ding

i demand that the coders add links/buttons for lol fu and no really, fuck you alongside sb

i don't know how the killfile works (tl;dr), but if someone knows maybe they could answer this q: is it moddable in such a way that you could selectively ~hide~ a certain poster's contributions the way that turning off images does? like you could click to read what someone said if you felt like it, but could otherwise ignore them?

that way i could skip tuomas posts on sex or SB threads, but not on others

j/k shine on you crazy diamond

That is exactly what it does, gb. I used to have it, but upgraded browser at some point and lost all my settings. I shd prob go back to it but honestly the most useful thing at this point would be if I could block Tuomas on every thread about modding, ever, and I'm not sure it can be targeted that specifically.

OMG XP I didn't even read your last bit, I was just responding to the question about killfiles lol.

I wish there was a killfile that would hide all posters except yourself + two others of your choosing

no ilxit

hell is other posters

lol that would be awesome!

xxp - that would be the opposite of no exit though - it would have to be two other posters chosen for you by a mod with a sick sense of humor.

your fellow posters are: Tuomas and Deeznuts

can you guys get working on this, should take about 10 minutes

Shd be an option like the "Random threads" -- you can get two random posters but you gotta keep it for...24 hrs? A week?

I wish there was a killfile that would hide all posters except yourself + two others of your choosing
just read aeon flux

oh that is way better than the convoluted "Thunderdome!" joke I was trying to construct

Maybe that could be what happens when you're sb-ed?

'suggest thunderdome'

this is the last great SB thread, RIP

that would basically be a poll where the prospective sb-ee is put up against another poster and the winner/loser actually gets sb-ed.

was there a first great SB thread

your fellow posters are: mayor jingleberries and harbl

your fellow posters are: Captain Lorax and Gabbneb

your fellow posters are: cankles and masonic boom

nah pretty sure it would involve me & j0rdan sargent annoying each other for all eternity.

Captain Lorax has sent you an ILX Chat invite. Do you accept?

asking ppl stop this now

mayor jingleberries! oh boy!

omg que

this is why we can't have nice things

not to take this back (lol yeah right) but i read jaymc's post as a response to john d.'s post but hey what do i know

code in "sb all" button plz should only take 10mins thx

It wasn't a response to anyone specific -- just throwing it out there as part of my general unease with the system.

this thread is still going?

nah pretty sure it would involve me & j0rdan sargent annoying each other for all eternity.

― sarahel, Tuesday, December 1, 2009 5:23 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

^^ that post of mine could very well belong on posts very much in character thread.

no, but that one could

get a board you two

i have sb'd sarahel for her own good.

she needs a break

needin' some of this:
http://pagels.teamexpansion.org/sqjtaipei/wp-content/uploads/2006/01/ohyea3.gif

save it for your comeback

Haha, that nabisco post about Tristram Shandy and How I Met Your Mother is funny and insightful. I wonder if there are any other examples like that in contemporary pop culture.

This is a terrible time to be a mod, and I'm glad I'm not one. Not that any one poster is just completely insufferable, but the idea of reading so much of ilx is almost upsetting.

Not that I ever would be elected to be one or want to be one.

hint hint

As a mod you can post as different user names. I envy mods this ability.

lol

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Gr3uCNxPTu4/SuPOj5rPBII/AAAAAAAACaM/_p5K8kVLbzQ/s400/Sutherland-body-snatcher.jpg

Awesome!

No, not even for twatson, forks.

i cannot parse that?

Oh, I thought you meant - never mind.

"Deleting unused users and clearing old suggest bans"

ayo can i get a list of unused users?

needin' some of this:

COOL AIDMAN NEEDS YOU BABY

Kool Aids Man Day

cool aidman???

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