should ilxors be tempbanned for taking their beefs to other social media? (twitter/fbook/myspace/etc)?

absolutely not

Oh, good. A place to finally say this:

darraghmac, say someone starts an argument in a pub, and one person chooses, instead of having a massive row in the pub and dragging everyone into it, to go home and complain about the argument in their own house, to the 2 or 3 people hanging about their kitchen.

If you then follow that person home, and hang around outside their house, eavesdropping on their conversations in the hopes that they will say to their housemate "oh god, I just had the worst argument in the pub, X is jerk" 1) do you get to complain about what you heard while eavesdropping at their kitchen window? 2) if you then run back to the pub to tell everyone "this is what Y said about me! isn't that TERRIBLE?" in order to start another huge row about it, does that make you more or less of a jerk than the person who chose to turn away and just go home?

Oh my god, it's terrible that I huffed "ugh, poster X is the worst" to 5 Cornish enthusiasts (and Four Tet) in my twitter feed! This is the seriously worst thing in the history of ILX, and this means I completely deserve the pile-ons where people discuss my mental health and compare me to a woman who created an entire false identity in order to con posters out of money.

ilxors should be banned for going to myspace.com

If it means less ugly stuff on ILX proper I'd rather they did take it elsewhere. Not sure ILX should be modding what people do on Twitter as long as it stays there.

three-week ban for farting in lifts imo

otm

i hear reddit's looking for traffic

secrete beef subreddit

gee in what ways is twitter not like your personal kitchen in your personal house

lmao

an unprotected twitter account isn't your kitchen, wcc, you can't make charges against someone there without fear of their being challenged. lol xpost

wcc otm

yes

hi velko

feel like calling mordy out by twitter handle was nagl, if youre gonna take beef outside the walls dont use names is a good rule of thumb imho

velkome

sending money to mordy right now

Talking generally here, I think it's kind of rude*. Not so much on Twitter, where things rapidly disappear, but certainly in a blog situation where the subject may not have right of reply, or be able to challenge the way they're being portrayed. Especially if that person wasn't being actively malicious in the first place. There's a lot to be said for keeping fights in one place.

Should they be banned? Probably not, unless the offboard posts are being actively threatening, libellous, contain their real world address or are creepy in some other way. The Twitter post that kicked this off wasn't exactly great form but doesn't really deserve a ban, or a clusterfuck of this magnitude.

*Obviously loads of people are kind of rude in hundreds of different ways every day on ILX.

it's ocean avenue

Just for the records, I didn't actually mention Mordy by name until *after* he started @-ing me on twitter, trying to bring the beef into my actual twitterstream, when I failed to respond to 3 days of clusterfucking on ILX.

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

you could have just been the bigger man of course

could someone point me to the thread(s) that spawned this discussion so that I may be fully informed when I vote? thx

Time was someone would've teed off on "trying to bring the beef into my actual twitterstream," now it's all beefs this and social media that.

I have just looked through my tweetstream. My exact original tweet which tipped this off was complaining about "A Mansplainer". He took that and ran with it.

I took a weekend's break from ILX, came back and he was still running with it on ILX. When he brought it into my actual tweetstream, I decided I didn't have to put up with it any more.

http://toptvcops.com/09b642f0.jpg

no tweets amended or deleted?

no, but yes to the reverse

wcc, feel like u have a somewhat inflated sense of ilx clusterfucks concerning u, probably due to the sensible recourse of trying not to read them. pretty sure there were not three days of clusterfucks prior - mordy mentioned u were tweeting about him on the "button" thread and it wasn't really discussed until andrew farrell was needling him on some other thread a couple of days later iirc

so, ban mordy? i'm in

^^^boom

If I discovered that someone on ILX had taken a disagreement with me to another publicly-accessible online venue rather than a) hashing it out with me personally like a grounded adult or b) dropping it altogether (again, like a grounded adult), there's a good chance that I would be enraged beyond my ability to articulate. But that might just be me, as I'm one of the few that still values a modicum of firewalling between my varied online haunts (and the respective level of biographical info I choose to divulge on each).

Ban nobody in this fucking instance

wcc its unfair of you to call out posters on twitter by tagging them then not allow them to respond and turn it back on them. You shouldn't have done that to me or any of the others.

oh and you had also done the same thing on the poll thread.

http://www.pcrm.org/images/media/psa/sack_your_old_lunch.jpg

Just posted this on MySpace, come at me bro.

ilx beef week

of course wcc or anyone else shouldn't be banned, we're all grown-ups here. (in theory etc)

if you tag someone while talking about them its hardly eavesdropping. You were abusing people publicly and you really expect them not to be angry at you doing that??

whenever i bring negative attention on myself on ilx, i try to take a breath and remind myself that none of it would happen if i hadn't posted in a particular way, or especially if i hadn't posted at all, and that occasionally having people say mean things to/about me is the cost of doing business, especially if business is having somewhere to mouth off on a daily basis and occasionally risk hurting someone else's feelings. lotta bruised egos, very few serious wounds, it's like a playground where things can get a little rough but very rarely does anything really need to be done besides maybe sending someone home with a note.

I deleted a bunch of tweets today because some asshole decided to link directly to them, and every time someone does that, I get a dozen weirdoes trying to follow me. But my Friday afternoon "argh, they've ruined my stupid Friday afternoon thread" tweets appear to be all there in stream of consciousness glory.

It's weird reading old tweets like that, though. I guess I can kind of see how stuff which is all "argh, whoa, I just ate a sandwich, argh, this is the worst!" stream of consciousness at the time reads differently if you're reading it removed in time and place, it seems a lot angrier or more emotional if you are reading these things as permanent records, rather than transient emotional states.

It serves a very different purpose than ILX does, and taking it out of context seems disingenuous.

Over the past year or so, since - and I discussed this on the sandbox last year - the emotions generated by an ILX clusterfuck actually drove me to seek psychological help (Not proud of it, not ashamed of it, not trying to ~manipulate~ anyone by bringing it up, just stating, this was a thing that happened. Sorry for being a human being who is affected by things.) I've tried to keep to a strict policy that if someone on an ILX thread starts getting personal towards me, I leave the thread, immediately. This sometimes feels really really unfair, especially if it's a thread that I've started - but it's for my own wellbeing. So it is what it is.

Sometimes I go to my "kitchen" and have a rant about how unfair it is. But that is what it is, a rant in mine own kitchen. If you come in my kitchen, you sometimes hear me ranting. And then I have a cup of tea and listen to Four Tet remixes and things are OK again. But to take that rant and post it to ILX like "this is the representation of WCC and what she is like all the time, as an ILX poster" - that's way more of a dick move IMO than having a rant in one's kitchen.

having a rant in one's public kitchen with how many followers? In which you say 'here is a representation of x and what they are like all the time as an ilx poster'

http://www.livejournal.com/

but its not in your own kitchen when you tag that person and they and all of your followers can see you having a go at them. Cant you see why that upsets people?

I think it's probably pretty good to leave a thread if it's upsetting and have a rant about it in the kitchen or on fb or in a blog post or whatever you feel. However, Twitter is a public social media service and whether the point is to tell people and get some feedback or you just want to yell into a void that people will see, you're tweeting something people can read and can respond to. Not going to get into who is a bigger dick because honestly I don't care, but it's not the same as someone stalking you back to your home irl and listening in on your kitchen rants.

Sorry for being a human being who is affected by things.

apology accepted

AG, I did not tag Mordy until AFTER he had started going at me on my twitter. I don't mean to be "he started it" but until that point, I had not used his name.

And for the record, AG, I blocked *you* from twitter because you would not stop posting at me. Multiple times in a row, multiple times a day, to the point where my tweet stream was nothing but you going on about a poll I had already told you (several times) that I did not want to participate in.

Asking someone multiple times, after they have already said no, is not likely to make them participate. It is likely to piss them off, and not want to interact with you at all.

I don't dislike you, AG, I think most of the time you're a quite reasonable guy. But when you swamp my social media (like, look at my last.fm wall for your wall of text repeat posting, and I've cleared a lot of your comments out) to the point where it becomes unusable for me - you can't do that. This is why I don't talk to you any more. 1 or 2 messages is OK. Bombarding someone with messages until they respond is not OK.

Sorry that had to be public, but you made that public.

oh my god this thread is getting locked

if the tables were turned it would have been ON like donkey kong in a major way for exactly the same reasons; ie this would still be a clusterfuck. I see no problem in raising it as an issue, because it IS an issue, and it would be for most ilxors.

the fact that it wasn't ever hashed out in private months ago is honestly beyond my comprehension. I will lay my cards on the table and say that I do consider Mordy a good friend. and that twitter was a bridge too far. IM is a kitchen. Twitter is a town hall.

HOWEVER the fact is that this whole thing has been handled terribly for a looooong time by the two involved parties and is almost completely the result of zero useful, mature communication so I have no idea where this ends.

or ilx goes under martial law or the UN sends in their blue dudes or what idk.

no, not banned, but what is the point of talking about ilxors on twitter

wish mordy could confirm when ilx user mordy was first mentioned by name tbh

I will say, if ppl would actually talk TO each other rather than ABOUT or PAST each other, these situations tend to sort themselves out.

There was some random incident a while ago where WCC mentioned my full name in a publicly searchable tweet in response to an argument that originated here; I wrote her saying I didn't use her name in publicly searchable places outside of ILX (and not even here anymore!) and I would appreciate the same courtesy extended in return, and she deleted the tweets with my name in them. PROBLEM SOLVED, and I don't think we've butted heads since.

no, you TAGGED ME! in a tweet. i'm not talking about mordy. Dont turn this around.
You had a go at me on the poll thread then you took it to twitter and actually tagged me in your repeated criticism of the poll. I responded to you angrily for perfectly good reasons and you couldn't accept you were in the wrong so chose to try turn the whole thing round like you're attempting to do so again!

You should not have taken it to twitter and if you wanted it to be private you shouldn't have tagged me!
Stop making things up!

I did not "tag" you, AG. I was responding to your BILLION AND ONE @'s at me. If you see "I don't want to participate in this poll, now PLEASE STOP ASKING" as "having a go" then you have very different ideas about what "having a go" really is.

While it may not be the best look to take things to twitter using ILX names, no, I don't think they should be banned.

man I find these kinds of "issues" tiresome, the way they suck the oxygen out of conversation around here is a bummer

i think we shd see actual quotes backing up assertions otherwise this goes nowhere

twitter=kitchen analogy is ludicrous, but no, I don't think tempbanning is appropriate.

Certain posters don't get along and certain posters REALLY don't get along. It was ever thus.

you are lying wcc. Your tweet was "I can't believe @algerian_goalie is running a rockist poll" I had never tagged you in a post about the poll until I replied to yours. Get your facts straight.

the new jackoff sesh

what was the funniest beef on ilx this one is p humorless like other posters have pointed out

flavorless beef

What started it all

http://i45.tinypic.com/nvceox.jpg

I did not "tag" you, AG.

― White Chocolate Cheesecake,

and yes it is a very minor thing to be upset about. But it's the principle.

that is an odd thing to not believe, in fact it may be the most believable thing that's happened on ILM

i resent being lied about on ilx threads and criticised offboard without a chance to defend myself. I do not hold grudges and if you had apologised it would all have been forgotten, but i will not accept being lied about EVER.

can't believe wcc is a dramaqueen tbh

AG, your sequence of events is different than I remember it. I'm sorry for misremembering. If you want to go on about it for another 300 posts, and board lawyer and call me a liar some more, go right ahead, but stuff like that is the reason I don't talk to you any more.

But you know, DJP OTM times 1000. This was like 3 years ago, when he was still a mod. He wrote me, we talked about it, we resolved it, we've never had a problem since.

It's amazing to me, the number of people on ILX who love talking *about* me, and starting clusterfucks where they hold forth about me, like this is going to turn into, who never actually try that thing of talking *to* me.

There are a number of ILX0rs I have butted heads with, had an email exchange with, and ended up friends with.

I did once, when the beef with Mordy first started, like, a year ago or whenever, try emailing him, but he didn't seem interested in discussing this stuff in private. And it has now gone past the point where that would even be appropriate. He doesn't like me, I don't like him, let's just avoid one another.

And you're right, Shakey Mo, this kind of discussion is really fucking boring. Not least for me. But when a clusterfuck won't die down a week later, and still finds its way into other threads, it's like... "here's my side of the story. Now can we stop this, so I can go back to talking about sea arches and Radiohead remixes?"

Now here is Thom Yorke doing some dumb dad dancing. Can we just laugh at that instead?

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5ownuXsD81rygqbgo8_250.gif

no, not banned, but what is the point of talking about ilxors on twitter

― homosexual II, Thursday, 18 October 2012 17:09 (29 minutes ago) Permalink

Can we argue about it instead? I think his dancing's good.

I love Thom's dad dancing, but it is definitely dad dancing.

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5ownuXsD81rygqbgo5_250.gif

Sure, he's a sexy daddy, but he is a dad, and that is dad dancing extraordinaire.

Just for the records, I didn't actually mention Mordy by name until *after* he started @-ing me on twitter, trying to bring the beef into my actual twitterstream, when I failed to respond to 3 days of clusterfucking on ILX.

I'm otherwise not getting involved but this is false. WCC deleted the original offending tweet. I'm not making a big deal out of it and trying not to participate in these threads but I do want to put my version of the facts on the record: WCC mentioned me on twitter (calling me a minsogynst) and then deleted the offending tweet while the feed was private.

Also, with regard to this:

I did once, when the beef with Mordy first started, like, a year ago or whenever, try emailing him, but he didn't seem interested in discussing this stuff in private. And it has now gone past the point where that would even be appropriate. He doesn't like me, I don't like him, let's just avoid one another.

I won't quote the whole email bc I think it would be embarrassing and is not particular relevant but this was the final line of it:

Now I will not be continuing this conversation with you. But after the things that you, and others, have said about me and my kind on that thread, I had at least the right of reply. Good day to you.

I would have been happy to hash this out privately over email but it was clear that WCC was not interested.

You can call me a liar, Mordy, and I can call you a liar, we're even, and now can you leave me alone?

everybody leave everybody else alone sheesh

(That was the last of a couple of emails which I had sent, which had previously not been answered. I notice that he doesn't mention those. Must have just been deleted along with the tweet, huh?)

I only received one email from you. If you believe you sent more I never received them.

why the fuck do any of you care?

When you consider what's happened to some erstwhile Ilxers who have lost control of the way people talk about them on the internet, this particular fight seems ludicrously trivial.

I'm sorry to prolong this and just add fuel to the fire, but Thom's dancing isn't dad dancing in a world where this exists:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8d91WpU4fo

Honestly, WCC. I will publish the entire email you sent me and let ILX readers make up their own mind. It's clusterfuck-bait and I would rather not post it. I have not participated (beyond occasionally setting the record straight on particular claims) in any of these threads and will continue to not do so. Please stop mentioning me. I am not pushing for any disciplinary action. You have nothing to gain from keeping me involved in the conversation.

this is ridiculous, no one should be banned.

also mordy should publish that email because i have a bunch of proofreading i don't want to do.

why the fuck do any of you care?

Indeed

everyone should be banned

people should be banned for giving a shit

feelings are the new 51

everyone should be banned

haha goddamn it

I mean someone talking about ILX on a Twitter feed followed largely by people who have zero interest in ILX is almost entirely inconsequential compared to, say, your mother googling your name and finding your disgusting sex stories reposted on another website under your real name.

but seriously, if people that happen to post on ILX can't get along off ILX, ILX and the mods are under absolutely zero obligation to do anything about it.

i think both mordy and WCC (who i admit i slightly troll at times and does drive me nuts sometimes) both have made valuable contributions to the board in the past and hope they continue to do so.

ban strongo, duplication

And that's saying nothing about the innocent Algerian goalkeepers Googling their name to find nothing but earnest metal chats.

strongo should be banned from life

that is an odd thing to not believe, in fact it may be the most believable thing that's happened on ILM

Genuine lol at this.

i came here for a cheesecake recipe & all i got was this lousy circular exegesis of personal e-mail exchanges

Ta for new display name (xxxxp)

If you want to publish personal emails sent in private, to ILX, I do actually think that should be a bannable offense.

I do not remember if I sent the previous messages through ILX or the Sandbox, and I doubt I saved them. You were rampaging angrily across several different threads at the time, I assumed you were ignoring them. I got more and more irate at not having a recourse. I was pretty understandably angry by the last one, I was emailing with 2 other ILX0rs at the time, they were having fairly unpleasant experiences with you at the time, as well.

Maybe I'm a jerk for sending an angry email, in private, at the conclusion of having previous emails ignored, but taking an email out of context and publishing it is the kind of trolly dick move I'd expect from Mordy, so thanks for confirming my opinion of you.

ah Ernest Metalchats, Westphalian inventor of curry sauce iirc

You were rampaging angrily across several different threads at the time

it would be cool if there was a button you could press that would send an angry cartoon rhino rampaging over a thread you didn't like, bucking his horn and sending text flying in all directions

thank you all for confirming that the internet is terrible

aw that rhino sounds v cuet

nothing like the art of pretend forgetfulness to reenforce victimhood

everybody leave everybody else alone sheesh

― stop swearing and start windmilling (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, October 18, 2012 1:50 PM (16 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

why? this is entertaining

it's too humorless to be entertaining

cartoon rhino for mod 2012

http://behance.vo.llnwd.net/profiles13/1454477/projects/5277799/29911f7be31779b5a61d3811999b0eb3.png

I am possibly overly prejudiced against earnest metal chats after the day I spent snowed in at an airport sat next to a Rammstein forum meetup.

I've been trying to be as reasonable as I can, under the circumstances, on this thread. And I've had my mental health questioned, been called a liar repeatedly, had people threaten to publish private emails on ILX for others to dissect for LOLs - and people wonder why I "don't listen" to ILX criticism threads, and why I go and have a five minute rant on twitter instead of getting bogged down in this endless meta which accomplishes nothing except riling people, and digging shit back up.

I'd rather look at pictures of Thom dancing.

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5ownuXsD81rygqbgo4_250.gif

This shit is ridiculous.

let's talk some more about you.

this poll is stupid. I'm sorry everybody.

it is weird how ppl randomly seem to have beef w/wcc so often, can't really figure it out

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5ownuXsD81rygqbgo6_250.gif

Not as stupid as this dancing!

it would be cool if there was a button you could press that would send an angry cartoon rhino rampaging over a thread you didn't like, bucking his horn and sending text flying in all directions

― i dox in yellow gox dox socks (upper mississippi sh@kedown)

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s195/SOUNDWAVE_47/wrestling%20GIFs/incrediblegore6zr.gif

Not at all what you were looking for but who cares at this point.

Where's that pictures of Thom with the ridiculous ponytail freaky-dancing across the stage in front of Colin? That would be better than a rampaging rhino. A rampaging freaky-dancing Thom.

http://www.cartoonstock.com/newscartoons/cartoonists/cga/lowres/cgan1904l.jpg

I had no idea Bill Magill played trumpet.

hm.

if only those two gifs could be combined into one
xp to yorke and wrestler

This is not a rhino, but you get the idea:

http://i.imgur.com/E8toX.gif

rhinos are cuter than Thom Y imo but that is part of a long list so

in rhinos

Baby elephants are cuter than Thom Yorke, but I'm not sure a rampaging one would be v effective.

Please tell me Thom Yorke is wearing red braces to go with the stockbroker ponytail. Which is, by the way, the worst thing I have ever seen.

In Rhinbows.

baby elephant might drool a lot and make the print unreadable

or do that other thing baby elephants do on tv

OMG perfect, lock thread after this gif:

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lguhdlOXdm1qzqipqo1_500.gif

Yeah that .gif pretty much settles the question this thread was started to ask!

not all of us want to fuck thom yorke fyi

yeah could we get some jonny greenwood gifs instead?

nobody in this thread is here because they want to talk about Radiohead, you are being humored xxxl

xxxp*

Phil Selway is hawt

xxxl seems about right too

I'd give the drummer a sympathy hando out of a sense of bald solidarity

Stockbroker ponytail! Yes, that's exactly what it is!

WCC is my friend and it upsets me when people have a go at her: 90% of the time I do understand why it happens.

I remember WCC's initial tweet that started this, and it didn't mention anybody by name. I know because I had to come on ILX and try and figure out who it referred to. At the time, as I recall, WCC's twitter feed was private, so it was, IMO, comparable to a private kitchen (or as comparable as online space ever can be). For the record, I have no idea who Mordy is and pay little attention to board politics and infighting 99% of the time. I can barely keep track of who people I've me IRL on here are half the time due to changing usernames.

Once upon a time, many years ago, an ilxor suggested that I, and another ilXor, were comparable to the BNP, on their blog, using our real names. I only found out about this when the other liabled ilXor told me a couple of weeks later. That, I would have wanted them banned for, if they hadn't pretty much already fucked off already.

DJP OTM, as usual, re people talking TO each other not past or at or about each other. It helps solve things.

AG, for the record, yo do @ people a lot on twitter about polls. It can be annoying, but it's no big deal. I post a lot of pictures of my dinner, which I know irritates some people.

Gord Shumway is hawt

Which bald drummer? They have 2 now for stereo bald hottness!

I got two hands, bring it

For the record, I have no idea who Mordy is

It's so weird when there are little cross-sections of the board that don't overlap. I'd be like "who wouldn't know who Mordy is?" But then earlier this week Andrew Farrell emerged as someone with a lot to say, and I hadn't noticed him in the 5 years I've been here even though he's been posting since 2001.

isn't it about time we unbanned lou1s jagg3r?

In fairness, I spent a lot of time away - the Luna thread was a brief return, and I cam back last year because there wasn't anywhere else doing decent discussion of the US election :)

xp: he's been unbanned for a long time, he just isn't as active here as he used to be

i don't think bringing ilx beef public is a bannable offense but for (redacted) of all people to do it, well, i guess it's appropriate in its own way

Hey the IRL nightmare that precipitated my asking ppl not to use government name is finally over, but pls could a mod zap that? Thanks.

By "I don't know who Mordy is" I know we had a little spat the other day on the @ihateindierock thread, and I know about twittergate, but I have no idea if Mordy is UK or US or elsewhere, what their taste in music is, who their friends and enemies on ILX are. And that's true for about... Well, I don't even know what percentage of posters. About the only people I've not met in person on here who I can identify and remember are DJP and Ned.

And it ooh me about six months and several overt mentions of The Cure to cotton on to who DJP was.

hi sick nice 2 meet u

is there a friends/enemies xls somewhere?

govt name redacted

lol @ bringing an ilx beef outside ilx and linking to someone's irl twitter account outside of ilx and then asking for anonymity on the board

At the time, as I recall, WCC's twitter feed was private

^nope

ooh me? Took me, ffs.

Hi upper Mississippi shakedown. Did you used to have another name about being shakey?

if i ever wanna talk about (redacted) outside of ilx do i still have to pretend like she's a talking dessert?

xpost
nope my secret govt name is m@tt h

A real name is a real name - that's not complicated.

glenn greenwald once stole mordy's bike iirc

if i ever wanna talk about (redacted) outside of ilx do i still have to pretend like she's a talking dessert?

― lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Thursday, October 18, 2012 1:55 PM (21 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

j0rdan is it? oh yes, yes....i remember you from a kanye west thread....nice to run into you again, how have you been?

glenn greenwald once stole mordy's bike iirc

― zvookster, Thursday, October 18, 2012 1:56 PM (6 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

say, you're not related to the long island vooksters are you? i think i went to college with your cousin

brooklyn zvookster

I've already stated that I took my feed private bcz every time someone posts a link to it from here I get weird followers. The tweet is still there, I just don't like having to block ppl like Chaki and Whiney and Lagoon from trying to follow me bcz they think there's ~drama~ to be had, OK?

Can we have more baby rhinos again?

we are all just anonymous bottomfeeders in Scik's eyes I guess

isn't the whole point of you bringing ilx drama outside of ilx that there is drama to be had? xp

Oh man that just confused the shit out of me.

I woulda sworn there was a Shakey M@.

http://photo.goodreads.com/books/1189733009l/1883995.jpg

my secret government name is l4nc3 st4rgr0v3 btw

if that book was released anytime after the mid-80s there is no excuse for that cover

or at least the superimposition of al roker's head into the car. that's a 30 second photoshop job

i voted yes, because i think its a shitty move btw. i also know that despite my personal feelings, its never going to be the way it works in general on this board

^^^ This exactly.

But here's a baby rhino because, hey, why not.

http://gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs2/1253615_o.gif

xpost
yeah, without reading anything i voted yes. it's totally a shitty move. i would be so fucking pissed if someone ever escalated a bullshit ilx argument and made it public. i still can't figure out if it was initially posted to a private feed (didn't even know you could do that on twitter tbh) and then made public, or if it was always public, or if mordy was tagged initially or only later on, or whatever. but regardless, blleleeeeegh to the whole thing

the question is moot because it's ridiculous to expect ILX mod to police the entire internet and social media.

maybe, except that it's not a matter of policing the entire internet so much as paying attention the 1-2 times a year that it actually happens

Am I being stupid here or is, y'know, ILX not already "public"? Anyone can come in here and read this.

making it a bannable offence would not oblige mods to seek out offenders, only to act when someone gives them a head's up

It was posted to a public twitter feed. My name was used. I mentioned it here at this time:

If you could push a button and simply cease to exist, would you press it?

I retweeted it. At that time the feed was taken private and I guess that broke the retweet because it disappeared. When the twitter account came back up, the message was gone. A few days later this was posted:

http://i50.tinypic.com/9ql6c5.png

The only time I even used twitter (I rarely use the service) was to sent this message. It was sent in between the first and second tweet:

http://i50.tinypic.com/69f3mh.png

xp NO it's not the mods' jobs to be ILX mam and dad.

Let that post be the permanent record ^ I don't want to have to continue to defend myself but it has gotten to the point where I understand someone who wants to write this whole thing off as 'everyone behaving badly.' That is not the case, however. I argued with WCC in a thread about pushing buttons and have since been libeled by her on twitter and ilx. For the record, I still don't hate her. I'm just really upset about this entire thing and I think the real problem is a total failure of modding.

Mordy, those tweets were not the original posts calling you a mansplainer. They happened much later whilst you were having a go at WCC concurrently in an ILX thread. You posted that screengrab at the time.

I'm aware.

you are all insane

I don't use twitter frequently and did not know that if you retweet something and that person goes private, the retweet is broken. Otherwise I would have screengrabbed and copy/pasted instead of retweeting. I also didn't realize at the time that the version of the events would be contested in order to obscure exactly who brought it off-board and when. xp

Once upon a time, many years ago, an ilxor suggested that I, and another ilXor, were comparable to the BNP, on their blog, using our real names. I only found out about this when the other liabled ilXor told me a couple of weeks later. That, I would have wanted them banned for, if they hadn't pretty much already fucked off already.

i remember this! mainly bcz the blogger in question is prob the single most incomprehensible writer ever to post on ilx.

I also can't believe I'm using the term 'retweet' as a verb and not being ironic. FML.

So WCC only mentioned you by name on Twitter after you'd started having a go at her on an ILX thread for already mentioning you, which she hadn't actually done by name.

Just leave this alone, dude, it is really nagl.

xposts.

I'd actually forgotten it until this thread started. Good times. Never had a clue what that dude was on about.

xpost.

what's with the crying girl avatar Mordy? is that a depiction of a woman who burnt your lasagna?

Wait, I did screengrab it. Here it is:

http://i48.tinypic.com/2dvvfo5.png

Screen Shot 2012-10-15 at 12.28.41 PM -- apparently I screengrabbed it and then deleted it. I just found it in my trashbin.

Oops, nevermind. That's not the original one.

I guess I didn't save it. Whatever.

xp to frogs - it's Alice

SM you're incorrect, as mordy has explained. He was referenced by ilx username and the site was given and he was called a misogynist bully among other things. This was before he brought it off ilx.

The tweets were changed and deleted before you saw them.

Srsly if I can't believe the fake outrage over this Mordy thing has plodded on increasingly half-heartedly for an entire week. Especially given that even WCC would probably agree that in the pantheon of rude or obnoxious things she's done it's like 500 places down the list.

A poster on a messageboard I frequent (who I believe to be a mean person and possible child-rapist) disagreed with me today. I feel oppressed.

Matt DC, if a mod had stepped in - after being given multiple opportunities - and spoken to this like adults, it would never have gotten to this point.

Srsly if I can't believe the fake outrage over this Mordy thing has plodded on increasingly half-heartedly for an entire week. Especially given that even WCC would probably agree that in the pantheon of rude or obnoxious things she's done it's like 500 places down the list.

― Matt DC, Thursday, October 18, 2012 7:25 PM (35 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

oh so that makes it ok, because she's done far worse

If that's true, darragh, then fair enough, but I thought I saw things in real time and that's not how I remember if. But Mordy continually posting screengrabs is not exactly letting the situation go. This is boring now.

xpsots.

Mordy is such a misogynist though, I saw him disagree w wcc! Facts don't lie

apparently if you really obviously say something derogatory about someone in a public venue where they'd be likely to read it and get that you are referring to them, they are going to respond to you?

just imagine for a second if the tables were turned and someone was shitting on (redacted) on their public twitter feed

manposter

i can't believe that the mod position on this for over half a week is 'ignore what gets posted publicly about you relating to ilx beef on other sites, even if it's traceable back here'

Like if at some point we all die and find outselves at some moment of reckoning explaining to some higher being whether or not we've had a wasted life we're going to find it really difficult to explain why we spent a week of our lives arguing because someone called someone else a mansplainer on Twitter.

I mean, unless Mordy did not correctly deduce that it was about him. It's been implied as such, but I guess it really could be about anyone

can someone make a men vs. women poll

How about the mods make a decision about whether mentioning someone on other social media is tempbannable or not, state it, lock this thread, and no one mentions it again. I do not blame anyone for the current situation but the mods.

Like if at some point we all die and find outselves at some moment of reckoning explaining to some higher being whether or not we've had a wasted life we're going to find it really difficult to explain why we spent a week of our lives arguing because someone called someone else a mansplainer on Twitter.

This.

I use twitter the same way lots of people do - to externalise every passing thought that goes through my head over the course of a day.

Mostly, those thoughts are about Cornish grammar or drawings of sea arches or photos of dirty dronerock boys, but also rants about argh, OMG I hate the First Train Group so much or how terrible it is when my boss's idiot son mucks up a whole bunch of work I've just done, or some stupid politician and also, if an internet messageboard is annoying me at that moment. Stream of consciousness involves a whole bunch of different stuff, all going on at once. And most people who follow me on twitter are interested in Cornish grammar or Aphex twin records or ranting about politics, and we talk about it and commiserate and it's fine.

But when someone decides they want to follow me with the *sole purpose* of waiting for those occasional tweets where I mention ILX - who doesn't talk to me about my interests or @ me to even say hi, is not interested in the 95% of my tweets that is not about ILX, they are just looking for things to take out of context, and then immediately dash back to ILX to SHARE WITH THE WHOLE CLASS, omg, look at this ~DRAMA~ I have dug up!

Where is the drama in this situation? Me, for ranting about ILX in the same breath as ranting about First Train Group and Cameron and WTF is up with Thom Yorke's hair and my god this bus driver on the 109 is a cowboy? Or is the shitty move the person who goes digging, looking for something to get offended about (because I really have a hard time believing that e.g. Lagoon, who posted my twitter this afternoon, is interested in Cornish politics or Radiohead gifs) and goes running back to score brownie points?

If you want to be my actual friend on twitter, fine, talk to me. If you just want to rubberneck on the "crazy" and clutch your pearls about the drama you are salivating at the idea of catching, you're the dick in this situation. Not me.

And you know what? I'm going to go and screen grab the original tweet, which is still there, in the context of the stream, with the time and date on it. On Friday. Mordy's name is not in it. I did not name Mordy until Monday, after this shit blew up.

just imagine for a second if the tables were turned and someone was shitting on (redacted) on their public twitter feed

― lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Thursday, October 18, 2012 3:28 PM (4 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I can't see that because it's redacted so I'm just going to assume it says Whiney G. Weingarten?

Are we circling around to the point where people don't understand that it is not cool to have a go at WCC on twitter? That the fact that you wouldn't mind if it happened to you isn't actually a defense because your experience and hers aren't the same? Are we getting back to faux-shock that when you kick the hornet's nest bad shit happens?

xp I see we are actually getting there.

AF, please tell me where I had a go at WCC on twitter. Thanks.

xp SM nah i totally accept you didn't know that, i just think the whys and wherefores here are important

How about the mods make a decision

they will, to

lock this thread,

but shockingly this doesn't result in

and no one mentions it again.

SOMEONE ON THE INTERNET DISAGREES WITH ME, TO THE BATIPHONE

(redacted), your insistence that people were "digging" for drama is really off-base/hilarious

Matt DC, if a mod had stepped in - after being given multiple opportunities - and spoken to this like adults, it would never have gotten to this point

It was pretty rude of WCC to do it but no sane mod would have taken any actual action because a) people say things that are equally rude and obnoxious shit to each other on the boards themselves every day and b) it doesn't actually matter that much.

so u can talk about me on twitter and i can talk about yr twitter on ilx & twitter

resolved

A British poster on a messageboard I frequent doesn't seem to mind if I call him a goatfucker on twitter

It was pretty rude of WCC to do it but no sane mod would have taken any actual action because a) people say things that are equally rude and obnoxious shit to each other on the boards themselves every day and b) it doesn't actually matter that much.

― Matt DC, Thursday, October 18, 2012 7:32 PM (1 second ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

if Mordy's feelings are hurt, and he's bothered by something WCC did. . . why would you argue with that?

his feelings i mean

I NEVER WENT NEAR A GOAT.

wcc plays the victim/bully thing to perfection, i'm sort of literally awestruck that some ppl don't see that

A British poster on a messageboard I frequent doesn't seem to mind if I call him a goatfucker on twitter

Now you must monetise this.

Matt DC, if a mod had stepped in - after being given multiple opportunities - and spoken to this like adults, it would never have gotten to this point.

― Mordy, Thursday, October 18, 2012 7:26 PM (5 minutes ago)

huh i guess i missed the part where you posted about this on Mod Req, or I Must Protest, or emailed any of us then?

zvookster what is yr twitter, i have feels i need to feel

http://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/default/files/styles/image_content_width/hash/8d/8b/8d8b04f4ea6b1b37ce4a1ad1df392f1a.jpg

Really? You missed the multiple threads about this on Mod Req and I Must Protest? Or because I didn't start them it didn't matter?

wcc plays the victim/bully thing to perfection, i'm sort of literally awestruck that some ppl don't see that

^^^^^^

fwiw this isn't a celebrity using someone's twitter handle and saying they're lame, which is bullying and bad -- this is someone using @name, which only is viewed-by-default by the person replied-to and any shared friends they have, and you have to go directly to their twitter page to see it otherwise

if you're not friends with someone on twitter, it's the common way there to message someone, as direct message only works if the person is following you

wcc plays the victim/bully thing to perfection, i'm sort of literally awestruck that some ppl don't see that

― i dox in yellow gox dox socks (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, October 18, 2012 3:34 PM (27 seconds ago) Bookmark

you're just digging for drama

mordy is not the enemy here

Yes, the crowd of people huffing and puffing over the last few days about how Something Must Be Done About This Terrible Woman have completely blinded me to her Machiavellian ways.

like, this is EXACTLY HOW YOU REPLY TO SOMEONE ON TWITTER, to be polite, not rude

so it's whether replying to someone in a normal way is rude, or if mentioning someone non-subtly without using their name is rude

Mordy, I agreed with you on the button thread until it all got warped and weird. but how on earth is this spat the fault of the ILX mods? you two just need your heads banging together and/or a decent adult conversation, and it's not for the mods to waste their spare time being your mummy and making sure you play nicely.

xpost
i don't think anything should be "done" about any of this!

Nah mh that's only if the first character in your tweet is @ - right? Whereas her tweets said "his name is @mordywhatever"

guys just stop

stop it right now

I asked for the thread to be locked when Mordy started in on his personal crap. That request was ignored, but what can you do? I went for a walk around the block instead.

jesus christ Andrew, no one is saying she's totally in the wrong, just that Mordy -- even if he was prodding her, and being patronizing, which I'm willing to believe -- is replying a completely normal fashion, for that site, and there's nothing creepy about him having seen her tweet or him replying to it!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttlFGOOJerU

boxall, agreed, I was saying ~Mordy~ followed twitter convention for a private conversation

tbf this has nothing to do with the ilx mods, it's mostly about the hypocrisy of (redacted) acting all innocent about bullying mordy on twitter

thomasintrouble otm

GO FOR A WALK AGAIN YOU CRAZY FUCKS

Really? You missed the multiple threads about this on Mod Req and I Must Protest? Or because I didn't start them it didn't matter?

― Mordy, Thursday, October 18, 2012 7:34 PM (1 minute ago)

dude, i agree that it is shitty, and if it were up to me, i would decide that it is temp-bannable, but it is not my job to decide what you want done about the situation!

guys just stop

― real men have been preparing manly dishes for centuries (elmo argonaut), Thursday, October 18, 2012 3:36 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

stop it right now

― real men have been preparing manly dishes for centuries (elmo argonaut), Thursday, October 18, 2012 3:36 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

god help me, but I heard this in elmo from sesame street's voice.

guys just jam out to Sleater-Kinney and stop all this senseless fighting

this is great for developing a list of ilxors who would be fine with being called misogynists, bullies, or creeps off-board.

let's just talk about the musicians we like to ogle (males only you sick fucks)

tbh I've thought that WCC has been more reasonable, or at least within normal expected bounds of how people expect others to act in character, than Andrew this week, but I guess I don't know Andrew that well

if finding wcc completely intolerable and inexplicably coddled makes me all three, then cool

This is the last thing I will ever say about this because, in the end, it's simply not worth the time and effot. I just read back through the thread which resulted in this happening to me what you said about me WCC was unwarranted and cruel enough so that had this poll been asked then I would have said yes but still now I vote no.

For the record, your earlier accusation that I try to create clusterfucks about you any chance I get is pretty clearly a lie. That whole thing was OVER A YEAR AGO and afaik we've been fine since. I tried being reasonable and understanding to you after that but incident bu there is no use tying to reason with the unreasonable. I am pretty confident that that should be plainly evident to anyone with even the slightest memory and a solid head on the shoulders. I don't create clusterfucks about you, you do.

What's saddest about this whole thing is that I think you're very clearly an intelligent woman whose contributions to the boards I often enjoy and admire but your behavior towards me and others too often overshadows that. You have been downright cruel to me in the past and I'm sorry but no, I can't let that go without mention and have you leaving me looking like bully while playing the victim. Again. I don't want to continue this discussion any further because there really is no point but I needed to defend myself.

http://rox.com/frames/005/240/cc.jpg

is this where I admit continued exposure has made me kind of attracted to shirtless thom yorke?

if Mordy's feelings are hurt, and he's bothered by something WCC did. . . why would you argue with that?

I'm not arguing with it. It's annoying. I'd be annoyed and maybe a bit hurt if someone did that to me. But I don't know why anyone would expect mods to do anything because someone called someone else a mansplainer on a different forum entirely. If she'd posted his real address or libeled him or gone off on one at his offboard friends then maybe but otherwise just deal with it yourself.

It's the stockbroker ponytail.

like the number one source of mod outrage is any time where we step in PRIOR to the person in question addressing their wishes. also, there is no rule that has been established at all up until now wrt off board beefs, largely because it almost never happens.

xposts

xxp I think calling him a misogynist and a bully is pretty libelous tbf

If this didn't keep coming up I would never have mentioned it on ILX again. Especially since I thought WCC was taking a (clearly needed) break from ILX posting. But now she's back and I feel like I need to defend myself.

So maybe I've been missing out on what I can request from the mods. Is there a full list of services?

i know what my policy would be and you're all sorry i was deposed admit it

And neither one of these principals like me so I have no dog in the fight. I just like Sleater-Kinney.

btw it took me a long time to write that and figure out what I wanted to say so that was a whole lot of crossposts and I didn't see a lot of the posts in between

I'm not sure whether it is or isn't in general a good idea or polite to follow someone to another site and continue an argument there, I think it varies by context - but if the context is that it's WCC, then it's pretty much always a terrible idea. Even if you've got a notification saying "Hey WCC mentioned you", leave it be. If anyone thinks this is an appalling double standard because you wouldn't feel the same way, fucking stop - you're all old enough to know better.

See, that's wise, but it's also the most patronizing thing ever

thanks for telling us how to treat people xp

thanks for the advice, Dear Abby

I just like Sleater-Kinney.

Phil OTFM

andrew otm

Andrew, you've seen what I wrote on twitter. Do you believe me telling her that I didn't want to argue with her and didn't hate her was irresponsible? Do you think I was unreasonable to think that a twitter post like that might chill things out? Obviously I know better now, but please.

I want to wash my eyeballs with acid.

Mordy, ENBB and American female posters more broadly, DJP, contenderizer, who else has this almost never happened to?

thank you for explaining to us men how to not offend a particular lady?

that is the most mansplaining thing yet, but yet it's very true, in its way

So many passive-agressive motherfuckers on this thread.

honestly if i was a woman my guts would be twisted with rage every time wcc pulls her shit but since i'm not a woman i just get to be an irritated misogynist

i know what my policy would be and you're all sorry i was deposed admit it

Missing you, ilx's Judge Dredd.

bank

NUKE ILX NOW

thx

i know what my policy would be and you're all sorry i was deposed admit it

Missing you, ilx's Judge Dredd.

― controversial cabaret roommate (Nicole), Thursday, October 18, 2012 12:46 PM (42 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Jessica Dredd

http://paperathensupm59.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/clockwork-orange.jpg

i will be straight up here and say that i went through this exact process at the time:

1. that is a shitty thing that WCC just did
2. not sure it is really actionable in any way
3. if mordy contacts me via email or by way of MRF or IMP, i will look at it again
4. ok maybe this is going to blow over without mod action, its been a few days and he is not asking for a temp-ban

now if i missed somewhere in that 10 billion post thread where you did ask for one, well shit man i have other things to do with my life, there are channels you can use for this

xposts

you're all being gross

jjj kinda otm, i mean we can't really expect mods to follow all beefs.

lol where tf did coprophagia corner come from

let's just talk about the musicians we like to ogle (males only you sick fucks)

― frogbs, Thursday, October 18, 2012 7:40 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark

WCC is pretty up front about her Thom ogling and has ime been pretty cool with men ogling women singers in the same fashion so please don't add to this ridiculousness with stuff like this.

you're all being gross

― real men have been preparing manly dishes for centuries (elmo argonaut), Thursday, October 18, 2012 3:48 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Still hearing this in tickle-me-elmo's voice. you're a better poster in long form and pictures of ties. : )

As far as I know, between these meta threads, the button thread, the gender fucked thread, or any other thread on ILX, I have never called WCC a rude name. I have disagreed with her on occasion, sometimes maybe in tones that were more aggressive or provocative than were called for, but I don't believe I have ever said anything offensive about WCC personally. I apologize if I'm wrong and I did somewhere. I don't think I have though.

Now, I'm happy to bury the hatchet now, but no more false equivalencies. WCC, I will continue to treat you politely and not say offensive things about you. I will even restrain myself on future threads that you're participating on to either not address you directly or to only do so after reviewing my post and checking to make sure it isn't cruel. All I ask of you is to not call me derogatory names anymore. You don't even have to apologize to do it in the past, or delete your tweets about it. Just don't do it anymore. If you can agree to that I think we can hug it out and be done w/ all the drama.

And stop saying we hate each other. I don't know what you feel about me, but I don't have that feeling about you.

mordy it's okay she's been pulling this shit for years even before the invention of microblogging

#it'schinatown

gukbe don't forget everyone has their own "ime"

And if WCC can't find her way to stop calling me a mansplaining misogynist bully stalker, then I'd request mods give her a temporary ban until she can get to that point.

Mordy just shut up about it dude.

yeah Gukbe that is not exactly accurate ime here is a sandbox thread, I don't think it will be so hard to figure out who is who based on posting style: http://sandbox.ilxor.com/sandbox/ThreadSelectedControllerServlet?action=showall&boardid=141&threadid=1804

Yes, this is UTTER board lawyering, just to prove that I did not name Mordy. I named "mansplainer" because that was what he was doing - telling me how he understood the meaning of a question far, far better than me, the person who actually asked it.

Here it is:

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8186/8100739198_c762044484_o.jpg

Was that a nice thing to say? No. I was pissed off and frustrated and having a rant about something that seemed unfair to me (I could no longer participate in the thread I had started because someone was turning it into a clusterfuck.) Out of context do I sound like a lunatic? Probably, yes. Could you infer who I was talking about if you were a long-term reader of ILX? Possibly, if you were reading the exact thread, or were familiar with what ILX0rs had had beef with me for calling them a mansplainer before. (He did the same thing back then, he rampaged across several threads, arguing with Laurel and I, getting more and more indignant until the women gave up and left the conversation, while all the while trying to hold some kind of moral high ground.)

But did I call someone out by name? No, I did not.

Is that what the thread is even about? Probably not. The thread is about how someone's spat with me has infected dozens of threads for about a week now. You can't blame me for that. I deliberately stayed away from those threads. But when ILX wants a public execution, it will get its public execution one way or another, right? Especially if it's a ~crazy lady~ who inspires strong reactions in people.

I'm not going to even get into this "OMG, you play the victim" thing. I don't recognise the cartoon depiction people hold, as being anything like me, or the me that people who have gone down the pub with me recognise. But when you are at the bottom of a massive pile-on, as happens every time someone gets the hump with me on ILX, it's really hard not to *feel* victimised. Even paranoiacs have enemies.

There are going to be a million x-posts, I'm not going to read them.

go for a walk

That sceengrab is exactly as I recall it happening.

"do I sound like a lunatic"

Yup.

She deleted the offending tweet, but that's fine. I'm officially requesting a temp ban for WCC. This is too much.

reading "do i sound like a lunatic" to the tune of "do they owe us a living"

http://www.getyourfilmfix.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/billy_batts11.jpg

Get the fuck over yourself, Mordy.

(FWIW I can think of at least three occasions when WCC was tempbanned, although admittedly it was withdrawn on one of those occasions, the other two were for long occasions. That's more than most other posters. I don't think she's particularly coddled by mods and I personally have called her out on her shit on several occasions.)

arguing with someone on a lot of threads makes you a misogynist?

at this point what is your reason for asking for the temp ban? srs question. because the twitter thing has gotten basically indecipherable and who knows who posted when and what got deleted and w/e.

Telling someone you "don't hate them" while continuing to perpetuate 3 or 4 clusterfucks about them and digging through their twitter for "proof" to sustain your beef with them is... I do not judge people by their words, I judge them by their actions.

Mordy is just plain lying at this point, and I'm sick of it.

everything makes you a misogynist to wcc if you look at her cockeyed

For this: http://i50.tinypic.com/9ql6c5.png

sorry everyone didn't mean to use the word cockeyed in this charged environment

man up mordy <- to the tune of "cheer up charlie"

why exactly is this bugging you so much that you need someone to be temp-banned? there are a lot of people who don't identify you as a "mansplainer" (whatever that is) so why not just move on?

i don't think it'll move on w/out that. it has persisted w/out my participation so now i'm trying to end it w/ my participation

i love all these people telling Mordy what to think

Ah, it is not beholden on WCC to be equally okay with "pictures of women" threads and "pictures of men" threads, or with instances of those pictures on the same thread - that's a false equivalence.

Andrew, you're a troll and if you're really friends with WCC you're not doing her any favors.

scik & farrell really need to chill the fuck out too

I don't recognise the cartoon depiction people hold, as being anything like me, or the me that people who have gone down the pub with me recognise.

well the you that posts around here seems to be constantly crying misogynist and mansplainer at the slighest hint of a disagreement so maybe you can see why this is so

ok that seems out of line, but i also want to give wcc a chance to respond specifically to that image. also i need to go round table with the mods and see if we have a shared position on this.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/__jFgOqdirRY/TNghtU7GQKI/AAAAAAAADYU/d4YQ9jwM3mg/s1600/escher_m.jpg

xp what exactly has persisted, mordy? i don't get it. you seem like a pretty okay guy and as far as i can tell people on ilx aren't talking shit about you?

the twitter thing?

lolling @ the idea of needing to dig thru (redacted)'s twitter to find the offending tweets. when i saw them i had to scroll down for approximately a half-second

On this thread I was mentioned 10 times including two posts by WCC before I posted. xxp

Can we get a mod ruling on the y/n of tempbanning for use of the word "mansplaining"? Thx.

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*rubs hands*

we can at least all agree on how disingenuous (redacted) is being right now, correct? you can't rant on your twitter and then accuse people of "digging" for beef

jesus christ you guys

Mordy, you've just been proved a liar.

The image that Mordy posted was from the 15th of October. Do you want a screen grab of that with dates, too?

It was AFTER 3 days of clusterfuck, and him contacting me over twitter trying to prolong it. I logged back onto ILX after a weekend away, looked at another thread, and saw him still going on about this naming I did not do. It was obvious that he was still reading my twitter, and mining it for ammunition to carry on his clusterfucks. Yes, when he @'d me in that final "I don't hate you" (I'm just making it really clear that I'm still reading your twitter and dragging it up on ILX) I named him. Because I stupidly thought that putting a name on who was doing this would do *something* to make it clear that what he was doing was not OK.

btw i have been holding back all week from making a "if you had a button with which you could make ilx blink out of existence" parody thread but it is painful because it just reminds me that i do

if only i liked buffy the vampire slayer more this could all be handled so quickly

It was AFTER 3 days of clusterfuck, and him contacting me over twitter trying to prolong it

weird how nobody had a fucking clue why scik was needling mordy three days later then

@hateindierock - opposed to the bourgeois selfish privilege orgy that is modern corporate youth culture worldwide

http://blogs.dallasobserver.com/unfairpark/pileup.jpg

jesus christ you guys

^^ otm

Mordy chased me off a thread I started with nastiness that other people recognised as being over the line on 13th October.

I had a little rant on twitter (no real names were used at that point.) I took a weekend off ILX.

On Monday, I logged back onto ILX. The first thread I clicked on, there was Mordy still going on about my twitter and how I had named him. I posted one tweet to check that he was indeed reading every word of my twitter, and posting the results to ILX, and then he @'d me (I did not even know what his handle was, or I would have blocked him long ago) and then I posted his handle.

What I did was in response to his provocation both times.

*insert 500 word mansplainer post on mysogynistic roots of the word "lunatic"*

Stop it. Please. xp

Feel like we're all victims of a devillish plot by @hateindierock to sow discord in ILX's happy bourgeois selfish family. Conspiracy theories that are true etc.

can I be a mod

tempban everybody.

not joking.

elmo otm

if dhalsim were mod he'd yoga flame us all and then yoga teleport away

im indian stop posting about me

tempban me first

I left the thread.

I locked my twitter to get him to stop.

The clusterfuck just kept carrying on and carrying on. I figured it was going to happen whether I participated or not, so I ignored it the best I could.

I would not have even responded to this, except someone started comparing me to fucking Luna - on an unrelated thread - because this guy will not leave me alone.

And now, to top it all off, this guy is asking for *me* to be banned? After clusterfucking about me for a week? This guy is beyond belief.

http://content9.flixster.com/question/41/36/57/4136575_std.jpg

everyone?

http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m176/telliecoin/dear-god-make-it-stop.jpg

ban both wcc and mordy

I would always be dhalsim out of national pride but he was the worst

put a cork in it, toots

so can I be a mod

hover your mouse over google's new "I'm feeling lucky random-o-crazy wheel" and do whatever it tells you to do

I think I'm being misunderstood here - I'm not defending WCC as such - I've spent a few days of my life gnashing my teeth at her views of what is public and what is private - I'm just saying if you want to interact in a message board with her, this is a useful rule of thumb - also saying that I do on balance want her on the message board.

Apart from anything else, keeping frogbs concerned about poking his head out because someone is "constantly crying misogynist and mansplainer" is I hope a public good we can all agree on.

bring back suggest ban

andrew otm imo.

I locked my twitter to get him to stop.

"i locked my twitter to get him to stop" instead of "i locked my twitter so i could talk shit about ilx beef in private w/o getting called out for it on the board" is a pretty perfect example of the bullying/victim thing that strongo is talking about, btw

how are we possibly going to explain our lives to saint peter

We're not allowed to talk shit about ILX beefs in private? x-post

strongo can I have some of whatever you're drinking? Insensibility would be better than my sinuses right now.

Andrew offtm, the entire message board doesn't adjust their conduct to meet a special standard of civil interaction for one person, it's the other way around.

what boxall said

I asked, a week ago, for Mordy to fucking stop. And he carried on. I finally just have enough, of the clusterfuck taking over every goddamn thread, and now he's trying to be all high and mighty "please stop" because I actually asked for my chance to tell my side of the story?

All I have wanted for the past week was for this to fucking stop, and yet ILX could not resist dragging it back up at every turn.

We're not allowed to talk shit about ILX beefs in private? x-post

― Melissa W, Thursday, October 18, 2012 4:20 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

sure, but don't go on playing the victim about it

xp you shouldn't ascribe intentions to "ilx".

The clusterfuck just kept carrying on and carrying on

no it didn't, u were pretty much ignored until your friend caused it to be brought up on Monday. if u talk about someone publically on twitter as you were talking about mordy, they can talk about it here.

http://991.com/newGallery/Michael-Jackson-Man-In-The-Mirror-35195.jpg

I've already stated that I took my feed private bcz every time someone posts a link to it from here I get weird followers. The tweet is still there, I just don't like having to block ppl like Chaki and Whiney and Lagoon from trying to follow me bcz they think there's ~drama~ to be had, OK?

― White Chocolate Cheesecake, Thursday, October 18, 2012 2:58 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i take umbrage at being lumped in w/these known hooligans!

im sick of the hypocrisy in this thread

but this thread is going nowhere and we need to avoid pile-ons. The facts are out there folks but no sign of apologies which tbh is all thats needed.

Apart from anything else, keeping frogbs concerned about poking his head out because someone is "constantly crying misogynist and mansplainer" is I hope a public good we can all agree on.

I just don't understand how someone can cause the exact same clusterfuck every month and then play victim afterwards.

ok everyone this is ILX and ILX is not about personal sniping across social media platforms. ILX is about Taylor Swift records and Tarantino films and disgruntled left-winger hand wringing. It's about trucker hats and talking dinosaurs and having hot chicks in our beds after we play awesome metal shows. we need to remember why we all came together to share our ideas about UK Funky House and Velvet Underground minutiae and Drake. we need to remember that we hate pitchfork but read it religiously, and that we're not cool with Amanda Palmer. we need to remember why we are who we are. in the name of Aaliyah, we need to remember.

amen

I stopped getting nasty emails about the Aaliyah death thread just a while ago actually.

*checks email script*

People here have already formed their opinions about who I am, and what my motivations are. Some people are going to believe that I'm an awful person and should be burned at the stake no matter what I do. Some people are going to accept me as flawed but fully rounded human being. There's nothing I can say or do at this point to change anyone's opinion of me.

But when someone starts calling for me to be banned because they are either unable to tell "mansplainer" from their name, or because they just flat out lied, I have the right to call them out on it. People have been calling me out for real or imagined transgressions for the past week, it seems only fair.

(for the record, since I guess you mean me?)

u were pretty much ignored until your friend caused it to be brought up on Monday.

Odd friends she's keeping

I'll try that again

"Some people are going to believe that I'm an awful person and should be burned at the stake no matter what I do. Some people are going to accept me as flawed but fully rounded human being."

I smell a poll.

Please don't. I'm serious.

There's nothing I can say or do at this point to change anyone's opinion of me.

not true! just be chill for a while.

and stop making up things

There's nothing I can say or do at this point to change anyone's opinion of me.

I do not judge people by their words, I judge them by their actions.

WCC, if you seriously believe anyone thinks you are an awful person and should be burned at the stake then you probably need mental help. I suggest you close your browser, log off your computer and go get some.

and you cant accuse me of being someone who hated you.

alex i dont think thats being helpful

wcc was clearly joking

"I'm serious"

I think there's reasonable evidence for the first part of that, Alex, and the second is just hyperbole.

Also, now as always, fuck 'respectfully'.

I say no but then again I haven't had an extracurricular beef with anyone. If I'm getting on somebody's nerves i try to just step away from the thread and give it some air. If you are having a debate w someone about a subject and the two of you disagree to the point where it's getting nasty, there's not really much point in pursuing it, as it's clear neither side is going to come to an agreement.

Btw is there any way to check if you've been sb'd?

i just read the "button" thread again. this whole thing turns on a technical question of whether a discussion of "willingly causing yourself to not exist" can/should include discussion of suicide, and/or whether a thread starter can dictate terms of a thread.

WCC told the thread that she started that, no, you can't talk about suicide here.

Mordy disregarded that (so did others, so did i!) and brought up "death of the author" and thread ownership, said he "disagreed" with WCC about what WCC's thread was even about. this is the "mansplaining" part.

and it devolved from there. i mean, that's it. does anyone dispute that?

the irony is that the discussion was pretty good before, during and after it got heated. and suicide continued to be discussed.

should ilxors be banned at the stake for taking their beefs to other social media?

I'm serious = DO NOT START A POLL THREAD.

"Burned at the stake" is a metaphor. (Though I'm not so sure this is always the case, given some of the creeptastic hate mail I've had over the years.)

Tarantino filmes?

http://www.betterbusinessbetterlife.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Head-In-Hands-by-Alex-E.-Proimos.jpg

btw i object the thread title implication that ilx is social media, like if u agree

most will be afraid to

AF, do you think k3vin k hates jon too? It's a message board for crying out loud. No one is that invested in anyone else as a "person". At worst I think you can argue people think WCC is an annoying poster.

u were pretty much ignored until your friend caused it to be brought up on Monday.

Odd friends she's keeping

― Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 18 October 2012

I'll try that again

― Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 18 October 2012

yeah farrell i already posted what led to that

for this rebeef much thanks

Wrote this 30 minutes ago then chickened out on posting it, but fuck it:

I'm really uncomfortable with the idea that it's libelous to call someone a misogynist now (whether you agree with the appellation or not, it is not good to set any kind of precedent that disallows someone from calling out someone's misogyny/racism/etc. using the vocabulary available to them, ESPECIALLY when it is of the controversial or insidious type where a lot of people will deny that it could possibly be any kind of offensive). Calling someone a misogynist is an opinion, not an accusation of specific dastardly action and whether people think WCC "abuses" the term or not is not really relevant to the discussion.

Also, as someone who follows WCC on twitter, she really didn't mention Mordy by name until AFTER he brought up twitter on that other thread.

No comment on the rest of this.

i think if this question is always on your mind and you think "it's ok this is just an impossible hypothetical and i'm not actually contemplating suicide" you're basically fooling yourself that your mental state is better than it is.

("you" = impersonal, would have used "one" but it reads funny.)

― ledge, Friday, 12 October 2012 13:51 (6 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Burn ledge!

yeah farrell i already posted what led to that

― zvookster, Thursday, 18 October 2012 21:43 (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

No no that's cool, I thought I was being called out on something - I have I think been mostly reactive on this?

FTR I am sorry I said you were being asshole earlier. That might have been a little harsh.

I'm not surprised people get offended when they're accused of having a conscious or subconscious hatred of all women.

why "fuck 'respectfully', now as always", if you don't mind my asking? xxp

farrell, yeah i mixed u up with scik when first recalling that

she really didn't mention Mordy by name until AFTER he brought up twitter on that other thread.

so what really? she was talking about him there, he talked about her talking about him here, and she doubled down.

If we're going to talk about timelines: this was the first thing I read after a weekend away from ILX. What I thought was going to be a jokey piss-take thread laughing at indie-rock because that's never not funny. And this is clearly Mordy's idea of leaving sleeping dogs lie:

@hateindierock - opposed to the bourgeois selfish privilege orgy that is modern corporate youth culture worldwide

This was when I tweeted the "I see you're still reading my twitter you creep" tweet, because he was still bringing it up on unrelated threads, and trying to round up beef. And given he was, indeed, still reading my twitter looking for beef, as proved by his taking that quote and posting it, I felt kinda vindicated tweeting it.

http://automaticimprov.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/crying_indian.jpg

Calling someone a misogynist is an opinion, not an accusation of specific dastardly action and whether people think WCC "abuses" the term or not is not really relevant to the discussion.

Maybe this is just my bropinion but it's kind of a hurtful thing to say, especially when gender issues were basically nowhere to be found on the original argument

I don't understand how anyone can definitively speak to whether she mentioned me by name and deleted it or not, even if you subscribe to her twitter.

http://i45.tinypic.com/2i6jszs.png

Do you think I'm lying and I was planning this subterfuge all the way back on Friday just to spring it on her today? Why would I do that?

you were tweeting, publicly, about mordy -- how is it "creepy" for mordy to want to read that?

WCC: Mordy had written a post and Sick Mouthy wrote some completely random post about how hated he was; it made literally no sense to me until he made the post you linked here.

So, yes he was talking about you, after someone who was defending you attacked him on a wholly unrelated thread. That's not really Mordy singlehandedly, obsessively prolonging the argument.

shh, dan

Thanks, ENBB - I have been meaning to get back to that, and that makes it a bit easier. I am aware of clashing a lot on a bunch of threads this week.

boxall - because a dude telling a lady to act respectfully is never a good look?

zvookster - cool.

djp otm

Is ILX a free-for-all?

Ilx is light on moderation, so if you're going to post here a lot there's a sort of responsibility not to be an arsehole or act destructively. Try to keep personal slams against other posters to a minimum, and if you start not enjoying it take a break rather than try to stop other people enjoying it too. That's all fairly obvious really.

NAGL

I feel like, because of how the conflict on the original thread occurred, you are both emotionally invested in seeing the worst motive behind each others actions and responding to that, generating this neverending feedback loop of awful where perceived and actual motive move closer and closer to reality.

I did not mention you by name. I have posted the entire timeline around that time, which shows that you were not mentioned by name. At least two people who follow me confirm that I did not mention you by name. And all you can do is link to a picture of a post of you talking about it?

This whole argument erupted because you were putting words in my mouth.

You took a question I asked, and explained it back to me, in a way which I did not intend it to be taken - even after I had explicitly stated the way I did and did not intend for it to mean.

And now here you are, putting words in my mouth yet again.

wcc, you don't deny that the image with mordys twitter handle is real though right?

not a challenge, i am just looking for clarification here

of course it's real

im not assuming anything anymore wrt to any of this

I miss the rhinos.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_aBn80xsT_kA/S6-W4u9Ge7I/AAAAAAAAAQ4/jLA1LyB5JLU/s320/sysiphus.jpg

i just read the "button" thread again. this whole thing turns on a technical question of whether a discussion of "willingly causing yourself to not exist" can/should include discussion of suicide, and/or whether a thread starter can dictate terms of a thread.

WCC told the thread that she started that, no, you can't talk about suicide here.

Mordy disregarded that (so did others, so did i!) and brought up "death of the author" and thread ownership, said he "disagreed" with WCC about what WCC's thread was even about. this is the "mansplaining" part.

and it devolved from there. i mean, that's it. does anyone dispute that?

the irony is that the discussion was pretty good before, during and after it got heated. and suicide continued to be discussed.

― there is no dana, only (goole), Friday, 19 October 2012 07:39 (21 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

This can't be restated enough. The initial premise of all this was so innocuous it is insanity it turned into all this. "you cant talk about suicide" is fine to say. but ppl can and will ignore that. It doesnt make them mysogynists or mansplainers. *I* wanted to say the same thing!

I can't be alone in having completely lost track of who is supposed to have said what when.

Trayce OTM.

FWIW, I didn't think Sick was "defending me" by posting his ditty. I thought he was saying that Mordy was being annoying on that thread. I'm not sure why anyone would take Sick's post to be about me in any way?

The post with Mordy's twitter handle is real. It was posted AFTER he started posting my twitter feed on ILX, and AFTER he started @'ing me on twitter. It was a response.

I felt very threatened by what he was doing. I responded to his tweet to show that I was not OK with what he was doing.

Your twitter feed has been posted on ILX previously though. When you've been trashing other ILXors on it, while it was public. Remember?

Mordy / Kate - why don't you both stop talking to or about each other and ignore other people's attempts to bait you into argument for the sake of entertainment.
problem solved

no gov't names, mod forks

it's okay, i put five cents in the swear jar

Thanks for the false equivalency forks.

FWIW, I didn't think Sick was "defending me" by posting his ditty. I thought he was saying that Mordy was being annoying on that thread.

I see that reading down later; Mordy definitely reacted as if it was and, tbh, I'd just clicked over to that thread to see what it was about and that exchange was the first thing I saw so I clicked off of it

tbh, this whole thing really makes me happy I'm not a mod anymore

I felt very threatened by what he was doing. I responded to his tweet to show that I was not OK with what he was doing.

― White Chocolate Cheesecake, Thursday, October 18, 2012 5:09 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

If you felt threatened by this you really need to suck it up.

Tabling a motion that both parties just take this whole thing to the people who run Twitter and let them deal with it. I'm sure they'll be happy to give it the time it deserves.

http://motivational-speakers-review.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/kids-fighting-over-toy.jpg

the accusation of "mansplaining" is something ive never heard of before today. My take: possibly the stupidest thing to accuse someone of, ever.

"I felt very threatened by what he was doing."

Like he was going to burn you at the stake, right?

oh man why

magill with a real kool-aid man entrance just now

Mordy if I were you, I would not hire Bill Magill to represent in this court case.

Matt why cant you just make it clear that it's not on to go to twitter and abuse posters? Either they can't defend themselves or the tables get turned on them for actually defending themselves. It's really not very nice being on the end of this.

lol j0rd

The timeline from where I'm standing:

-I started the button thread
-When people started talking about suicide, I asked them not to (because talking about suicide is actually triggering of suicidal impulses if you are that way inclined.)
-Mordy started overtalking me, quoting "death of the author" (what? is that a threat?)
-I posted a disgruntled tweet about mansplaining because he has a history of overtalking women, esp re "mansplaining"
-Mordy started getting overtly personal and nasty to me on the thread, so I left
-I had a twitter rant
-I went on the mod board, asked for the thread to be locked if it was going to turn into a clusterfuck and decided to go take a long walk

-I come back to ILX on Monday after a good weekend
-First thread I click on, Sick makes a snide non-specific joke at Mordy, Mordy responds with I'M READING YOUR TWITTER
-I post a "if you're reading this, you're creepy for reading the twitter of a girl you claim to hate" tweet
-Mordy posts that tweet straight back to ILX
-Mordy starts @'ing me saying he doesn't hate me, in direct contradiction of his behaviour on ILX
-I name him so I have his twitter handle
-I block him and don't think of it again

-I have a busy week at work so I don't come back to ILX until last night
-Luna thread turns into yet another clusterfuck
-Clusterfuck moves to this thread

Mordy if I were you, I would not hire Bill Magill to represent in this court case.

― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Thursday, October 18, 2012 5:19 PM (28 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol, i'm all in, baby

^^ kool-aid man image had me lol'ing for real

wcc, andrew and scik were keeping it going on other threads though.

you cant blame mordy for that

lol j0rd

― there is no dana, only (goole), Thursday, October 18, 2012 5:19 PM (55 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

^^ kool-aid man image had me lol'ing for real

― boxall, Thursday, October 18, 2012 4:20 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

2x

Calling me Kool Aid man threatens me and makes me feel bad. If i had a twitter account i would go slander your ass

fuckit, i'm going to reddit

I can't really remember whether we agreed that I'd be pro-WCC on Monday and Scik anti-, or the other way around. Fortunately we switched each day to keep things interesting.

Bill Magilll, you're the guy who freaked out because someone posted a dick to the "fitness girls" thread, right? Maybe if I threatened your masculinity with some vaguely homoerotic content you could understand?

This

-I name him so I have his twitter handle

does not gel with the actual tweet which was

his twitter handle is (@mordys twitter handle) - this is an ILX bully who is stalking my twitter in another intimidation attempt

IMO, there seems to be a little something more going on there

hahahahahah that was a joke.go ahead and threaten my masculinity all you want

xpost

Just was curious about this point

because talking about suicide is actually triggering of suicidal impulses if you are that way inclined.

I didn't think this was the case, although obviously I don't want to contradict how you feel about it - for my work I've been trained that if I suspect someone is suicidal I should always ask them directly as it isn't an idea you can "plant" in someone's head, and dialogue is better than avoidance

gonna talk shit about all of you on twitter brb

loooooool j0rdan

i've said this like five times in three difft places now, but how exactly are people supposed to engage with "ending your own existince" w/o discussing suicide? philosophically it's nonsense.

*Ence

i would think that asking a person with suicidal impulses a question about no longer existing would be triggering

just talked shit abt all of u on twitter fyi

-Mordy started overtalking me, quoting "death of the author" (what? is that a threat?)
-I posted a disgruntled tweet about mansplaining because he has a history of overtalking women, esp re "mansplaining"

just reread these two over and over until you get why you have this reputation

i think the thread was about "not having existed" instead of "no longer existing"

then again, "a wonderful life" takes the idea of "no longer existing" and deals with the question by showing the effects of "not having existed"

hard to extricate the two

forks has really done some admirable work moving threads to IMP lately

"-Mordy started overtalking me, quoting "death of the author" (what? is that a threat?)"

I missed this. Wow.

Never heard the phrase overtalking until today btw. That's a good phrase.

haha omg rosetta stone right there

just out of curiosity WCC, why do you think these things keep happening to you?

i think the thread was about "not having existed" instead of "no longer existing"

the thread title says "cease to exist" and, in my mind, that implies from this point forward

jesus have you guys never seen that term before? ha i thought we were all deep in liberal blog world, guess not

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3olak8D8q1qg2pvjo5_500.gif

when I searched for overtalking this is what I got

boob-over 3 up, 33 down
a professor of law with an extensive comb-over who is a poor teacher, goes off on tangents and is excruciatingly boring.
What the fuck is this boob-over talking about? I just fell asleep for forty minutes.

boob-over talking

WCC, just for your reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_the_Author

A guy has bullied me off a thread. He announces that he is watching me, and reporting on my behaviour - as far as I can tell, with the intention of starting and perpetuating a clusterfuck. I find being at the bottom of a clusterfuck really quite scary and intimidating and not very nice, believe it or not. Being threatened with one scares me.

I have walked away from ILX to avoid being caught up in those clusterfucks.

He then comes after me on twitter, and starts contacting me through twitter.

This is starting to feel like the behaviour of actual IRL stalkers (a couple of ex boyfriends, a couple of freaks who got obsessed with my band) who have used the internet to monitor and threaten me. I can't explain how "I'M READING YR TWITTER" is threatening and scary unless you've experienced someone *finding your email address just to prove they can, that you are not safe from them* but to me, it is.

Maybe this is me being weird and paranoid, but when a guy starts coming after me like *that* (i.e. leaving ILX, the public sphere and coming into my private sphere) I want his name out there. I want people to see who it is doing this, in case that person escalates.

I'm NOT calling Mordy a stalker. But I'm saying that his behaviour started to really remind me of actual stalkers I've had. I'm sure people are going to say "OMG, you are playing the victim yet again." I found his behaviour intimidating enough to want a public record of it. That tweet with his handle in it was my public record of "this guy has escalated to making contact on twitter, I am not OK with this."

I really need to go to bed now (though I probably won't sleep.) Ban me or don't ban me, I don't care any more.

xp Yeah but OL that wiki page neglects to mention all the authors that Barthes threatened and then killed.

kind of disturbing to watch at this point

for the record, i'm pretty sure you guys live in different countries

I am on a bus and just lost my shit out loud at kool-aid man and everyone turned to look at me. Thanks Jord.

you shouldve yelled out 'OH YEAAAAAH'

You joke about that whole "different countries" but I had a guy who lived in the Netherlands fly out to NYC and turn up outside my apartment.

Yes, I am jumpy and over paranoid about some kinds of stuff. And I'm sure to some people that is hilarious and entertaining. But if my alarm bells are calibrated really strangely, it's because I've experienced stuff that you clearly cannot even imagine.

You should keep your twitter private.

I mean, probably everyone who tweets anything more personal than horse_ebooks or whatever should.

I've had someone from ILX (from a different country) show up at my house unannounced.

xp no, i was serious about the different countries thing.
and, having met Mordy IRL (with his whole family), i can say that he's a mellow and unthreatening and quite pleasant guy.
solely to put you at ease, not to lecture.

"-Mordy started overtalking me, quoting "death of the author" (what? is that a threat?)"

I missed this. Wow.

― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Thursday, October 18, 2012 9:32 PM (14 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

next level

please note that all ilxors are totally not welcome to show up at my house regardless of your country of origin

The FAQ is desperately out of date (and was 404ing until I just fixed it to add to the mess), but this is worth quoting:

An ILX Poster is hassling me off-board! Do something about it!
"No." is the short but unfortunate answer here. The moderators totally disapprove of people being assholes off-board but our jurisdiction is the board: there really isn't anything we can do about it.

I appreciate that there are some deep feelings and grievances here, but there is an aspect of this that is also taking on petty/childish tones. You guys (and I'm thinking of WCC and Mordy) need to sort this out. You need either to be able to be civil to or ignore one another, because you can't keep posting if it's going to be like this.

I suggest taking it offboard. Either use webmail or something else and come to terms. But stop this, please.

(And everyone else: I'm not sure the Socratic questioning of WCC's behaviour or scrutiny of her use of twitter or discussing how ILX "handles" her posts is productive right now either.)

I'm NOT calling Mordy a stalker.

sorry to state the obvious, but...in the paragraph before that you said "but when a guy starts coming after me like *that* (i.e. leaving ILX, the public sphere and coming into my private sphere) I want his name out there. I want people to see who it is doing this, in case that person escalates." (by the way it's odd to think of twitter as your private sphere, even if you did keep those initial posts "private". it's twitter.)

and in the paragraph before that you said "This is starting to feel like the behaviour of actual IRL stalkers"

and you started the paragraph before that with "He then comes after me..."

and before that you did this:

http://i50.tinypic.com/9ql6c5.png

all ilxors are totally welcome to show up at my house regardless of your country of origin (do not travel if you hate me)

Thing is, Mordy may be an ordinary guy to you, who you have met with his family IRL*. He is a stranger to me, and a stranger who was acting in some very frightening ways.

(*Kinda like Sick and Andrew have a different image of me to most ILX0rs, because they have hung out in pubs with me)

Yeah WCC regardless of the rights and wrongs of what's going on here an unlocked Twitter account is not your "private space" in any way shape or form unless you actually lock it. Twitter themselves can do whatever they want with those public tweets. You may consider it private, but it's not.

yow, i missed the twitter user callout. that is uncool.

What Mordy was doing AT THAT POINT IN TIME (coming after me on twitter after I had refused to engage with him on ILX) was behaviour that was a lot like that which my actual turn-up-at-my-house stalker had done to me.

Saying "X was behaving in a way that was scarily similar to the ways that a former stalker behaved to me" is not the same as saying "X is a stalker"

(Suicide-Related Post Removed by Soda)

so he's not a stalker, but he is "creepy", "a bully", "a stranger who was acting in some very frightening ways".

stet that is a cop out. It's not ok to take ilx stuff to twitter to abuse posters.

x-posts etc

An ILX Poster is hassling me off-board! Do something about it!
"No." is the short but unfortunate answer here. The moderators totally disapprove of people being assholes off-board but our jurisdiction is the board: there really isn't anything we can do about it.

I have found this a really unfair rule in the past, when I was being the focus of shitty stuff, but right now I'm prepared to abide by this.

Karen D Tregaskin

yow, i missed the twitter user callout. that is uncool.

― let's have sex and then throw pottery (forksclovetofu), Thursday, October 18, 2012 2:52 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol this is like the premise of the whole thread u fool

this whole fucking idiotic thread

i feel okay for not having read it

If there is somebody you hate on ILX then we suggest for the sake of ILX as a whole and its overall tone that you do your best to ignore them.

Ppl are going to talk this shit out, lock each thread there'll be another one right behind it.

hmm

My understanding was that 'moderation' is what happens when that well-intentioned advice from the FAQ is repeatedly ignored by a specific user or users.

LITERALLY BAGS OF SCUM

I have found this a really unfair rule in the past, when I was being the focus of shitty stuff, but right now I'm prepared to abide by this.

― White Chocolate Cheesecake, Thursday, October 18, 2012 5:57 PM (9 minutes ago)

hahaha wait

http://rlv.zcache.co.uk/crazy_face_sticker-p217959696642404973envb3_400.jpg

I think it's a little unreasonable to ask someone who has been - and continues to be - described as a stalking, creepy, misogynistic bully to just drop it and learn to coexist. But what am I if not unreasonable?

For whatever reason, it is 6:14 PM here and I willing to forget that this ever happened. I don't know if my esteemed college feels the same but I will not post publicly on ILX regarding this issue ever again.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-i7swBLl_Sco/TtUm4zV9O9I/AAAAAAAAAsU/woOek3EmFPw/s1600/incense_wcm001.jpg

i showed up at jjjusten's work once and held him hostage until he reconed my peavey bass cab

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ty3JLTyFMT8

First Trains Group is the real bully here

I have now glanced at Mordy's posts on the original thread and unsurprisingly he did very little, if not nothing, wrong (at least up until the point where he was wished out of existence.) WCC you are a terribly annoying poster.

By WCC logic I'm gonna go ahead and call WCC an anti-Semite.

That would be the constructive thing to do, yes

great job everybody

haha quincie otm

http://i.imgur.com/C7M13.jpg

long live beef

can we call beef something else

Stop threatening the jews, dude they have a history of fucked up shit happening to them

jewsplaining

http://henriksenlearning.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/excitement.gif

Also trying to figure out how to overtalk on ilx like technically speaking 'cause I always get these "to slow" messages when I try to do that

At this point I'm kind of staggered this thread's been left unlocked let alone not been half-nuked.

you can lock this thread; the beef will live on in ten thousand others plus a few Twitter accounts.

quincie for mod.

you can't stop the beef. you can only hope to contain it.

the beef goes on
drums keep pounding rhythm to the braiiiin
ladadadi diiii
ladadadi daaaa

http://www.jimbooosbeef.com/images/jim_bucket.gif

Why couldn't we just keep the beef frozen? ;_;

Crossthread beef be like crosstown traffic
Posters be on some real shit
Everyman get scared and prepare for confrontation

ive been run ragged by customers for the last few hours, so this is coming a bit late but I wanted to get some points of clarification out there wrt my thoughts on how this ought to be handled in the future

I agree with stet wrt the official stance of ilx, but I think we should have a system where people that have this happen have a recourse to request a temp-ban. These cases will be tested obviously beyond an auto-ban, if someone tweets "@nudespock u crazy man owl city is the best" thats not going to do it, but a tweet like the one mordy posted certainly would. In this case, this policy was not stated clearly, so nobody is going to get banned, but if this continues off-board after this point, either of you (or anyone else) is welcome to bring it to the attention of the mods. and to be clear, "bring it to the attention of the mods" is a specific statement, basically MRF or IMP or a direct email to us, not complaining in a clusterfuck or waiting for action to be taken on your behalf.

this is a policy that is somewhat in flux basically because it is a very rare occurrence, and because there are lots of variables wrt this that cant be tidily ruled on, but the bar for banability needs to be set fairly high. if it isnt obvious (this being the other problem with mopping this up many days later when no one seems to be able to get the timeline/deleted tweets/etc straight anymore), it can't be acted on, which means that twitter in particular is going to be hard/impossible to police.

"a tweet like the one mordy posted" meaning kates tweet with his twitter handle in it, to make that clear

ah, was gonna say

ive been run ragged by customers for the last few hours

― I'M THE ONLY ON (jjjusten), Thursday, October 18, 2012 7:08 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ha for a sec i thought u meant ilxors who needed moddin

hahaha

brb gonna hardmod this kid that keeps playing the intro to back in black wrong over and over again

*taps shoulder* sry bro... ur banned

If you think that tweet, in response to what he was doing is the absolute worst thing you've seen, on ILX or elsewhere, I mean... all I can say is, my god you have lived a sheltered fucking life.

tempoban

Thks jjj

who the hell said that xpost

xp Yeah but OL that wiki page neglects to mention all the authors that Barthes threatened and then killed.

― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Thursday, October 18, 2012 5:38 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

lol

near
far
wherever you are...
the beef will live on

no one said that

leave me out of this xxp

the terrible sins of Mordy, in chronological order

this question seems to be asking if you would make use of a pain-free (to yourself and others) way of committing suicide. i think for most ppl the impulse to stay alive is more than just avoiding pain - it is avoiding death/void/oblivion/nothingness. it is certainly that for me.

― Mordy, Friday, October 12, 2012 8:34 AM

i sometimes wonder whether it would be in society's best interest to create a way for people to commit suicide in a responsible (to their families + loved ones + themselves) way. presumably people are going to do it anyway, so maybe if we had some kind of "ethically" sanctioned dystopian way to do it (like those drinks in children of men, or the suicide booths in a mind forever voyaging), it might ease some of the pain. this might be a copout tho, since treatment has got to be the better model, right? (kant would certainly never condone suicide, even under the best most responsible conditions)

― Mordy, Friday, October 12, 2012 8:41 AM

I asked this question. This question is not about suicide. It is about not-existing.

Please can people not use this as a suicide thread, that was not the intention and I'd really rather the discussion did not turn that way.

― White Chocolate Cheesecake, Friday, October 12, 2012 8:46 AM

I don't think anyone in this thread has any right to draw conclusions about the mental state of anyone except themselves. Thanks.

― White Chocolate Cheesecake, Friday, October 12, 2012 8:55 AM

I disagree with the op regarding what this thread is about. Luckily death of the author etc.

― Mordy, Friday, October 12, 2012 8:57 AM

srsly speaking tho any question that asks about self-annihilation necessitates a discussion of suicide imho

― Mordy, Friday, October 12, 2012 8:59 AM

even if it is super special suicide

― Mordy, Friday, October 12, 2012 9:00 AM

sn't it great that there are people on this thread who can mansplain to me what the thread I started is about! Because I would ~never~ have known what was in my head otherwise.

― White Chocolate Cheesecake, Friday, October 12, 2012 9:01 AM

who cares what you think the thread is about is really the point. i would happily "mansplain" 20th century literary theory to you, but i'll let wiki handle that: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_the_Author

― Mordy, Friday, October 12, 2012 9:05 AM

f you could push a button and authorial intent would simply cease to exist, would you press it?

^^^ yes

― Mordy, Friday, October 12, 2012 9:05 AM

xp I don't see why the thread creator should have any special privilege to police the discussion

― Mordy, Friday, October 12, 2012 9:22 AM

and some dude otm. even if it would be ethically okay for me to wipe out my own existence, i don't think i can make that decision for the life that is dependent on my own existence to exist.

― Mordy, Friday, October 12, 2012 9:23 AM

If a thread-starter asks a question which is "do you prefer red or blue?" you don't get to walk into a thread and declare that actually red is yellow for the purposes of this question and claim "ooh, death of the author."

Especially if that means drawing dubious psychological conclusions about what it means for anyone on the thread who chose "yellow" (when they actually chose red.)

― White Chocolate Cheesecake, Friday, October 12, 2012 9:30 AM

what if the thread-starter asks: 'if you could eliminate yellow or blue, which would you eliminate?' and someone declares that eliminating any one of those colors would also eliminate idk green (if i remember my primary and secondary colors correctly?) and then the thread starter said: "NO. ONLY ELIMINATING THOSE COLORS DON'T TELL ME HOW TO FEEL"

― Mordy, Friday, October 12, 2012 9:35 AM

maybe it's like that dr who thing where the crack in the wall eats you and then everyone forgets you ever existed.

― Mordy, Friday, October 12, 2012 9:37 AM

Mordy, you're a total arsehole and I wish you would cease to exist. Or at least keep your unpleasantness off threads that I start. Can you please just go away and just not do this, for once?

If you can't do that, I'm going to ask for the thread to be locked, because I'm really, really sick of this.

― White Chocolate Cheesecake, Friday, October 12, 2012 9:39 AM

Get over yourself.

― Mordy, Friday, October 12, 2012 9:40 AM

I'm becoming completely serious, before you start with your "oh noes, women be being emotional" garbage again. Please just stop this.

― White Chocolate Cheesecake, Friday, October 12, 2012 9:40 AM

WCC, any issue I have with you has nothing to do your gender.

― Mordy, Friday, October 12, 2012 9:41 AM (6 days ago)

fwiw, I don't really have an issue with you except that you love to escalate ILX arguments. I don't even have a problem with that tho! Go with god.

― Mordy, Friday, October 12, 2012 9:42 AM

also lol @ *my* women are being emotional garbage. i've never said that. but when did you stop beating your inappropriate work crush?

― Mordy, Friday, October 12, 2012 9:43 AM

i don't think i said anything warranting a flag post itt, but do what you've gotta do xxp

― Mordy, Friday, October 12, 2012 9:44 AM

Matt, please can you lock the thread. I'm deeply tired of this.

― White Chocolate Cheesecake, Friday, October 12, 2012 9:45 AM

http://www.theoi.com/image/img_polyphemos.jpg

talking about suicide is actually triggering of suicidal impulses if you are that way inclined

posting to say you don't get to make generalizations like this no matter how bad you want to, Dr. Cheesecake

Yes I have to be honest that one stuck out at me too. Start a thread about "choosing not to exist" but say that suicide cant be part of it because thats "triggering". Can't have it both ways.

For people (plural) to point that out does not make them hateful overtalkers/mansplainers/bullies. Mordy surely coulda chosen his words better, but its not some big thing. Christ Ive had way worse on here.

how the hell is that 'mansplaining'? yeah this is about the most ridiculous clusterfuck ever

the main thing i get from the convo just posted is that Mordy is actually trying to engage with the question on his own terms after making the logical leap most people would make to suicide. That that, somehow, is disallowed by the threadstarter which is frankly ridiculous. discussing the fantasy of not existing without discussing suicide is basically not possible. and i say that as someone who thinks about it a fair bit.

well i'm a bit drunk.

Q: Why Can't the original question be clarified further down, e.g. "This is not about xxxx"?

Because if the discussion goes off, naturally, in that direction, does the OP have to then start a new thread? Or explain why not?

xpost Not Possible? Anything's possible!

i'm not a mansplaining expert but i always thought it was a more specific, patronizing attitude kind of thing where some dude basically commits the appeal to authority fallacy, but it appears that he's drawing his so-called "authority" from the fact that he's a man. i've definitely seen men do this to women many times before, so i actually kind of like the term because when people use it correctly it describes complex in a succinct way. i didn't think, though, that mansplaining referred to situations where someone is a man and talks

The crux of this whole mess revolves around the mental jiujitsu of turning a disagreement into a personal attack.

splain man talkin'

i think she should just get her own board where she starts the topics and deletes replies that do not answer the original question or replies that are triggering, and should see how many people want to be on the board and how many posts are left

The mansplaining and misogynist accusations are completely offensive in this case and WCC can fuck right off with that

harbl with the real talk, btw.

it's not even so much that one must follow the dictates of the threadstarter but that one is virtually assaulting the threadstarter if one disagrees

harbl otm

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

stop adding to the pile-on, System

lol

system is always mansplaining

system possibly also an anti-semite

systems are doing it for themselves

sorority is on the twitter

crut :D

keep reading this thread title as "should ilxors be trepanned" for etc

yes

suggest 'pan

let your brains breathe

i think she should just get her own board where she starts the topics and deletes replies that do not answer the original question or replies that are triggering, and should see how many people want to be on the board and how many posts are left

― horribl ecreature (harbl), Thursday, October 18, 2012 7:56 PM (27 minutes ago) Bookmark

had this exact thought on The Day Of October Twelfth, Two Thousand And Twelve btw

that board existed, though it became iltmi or something?

i'm sorry i stole your thought dayo. i wasn't even thinking an ilx board just a board in general.

Did some ILXors get banned for saying offboard that Lou1s Kagen had a subreddit or something?

i'm sorry i stole your thought dayo. i wasn't even thinking an ilx board just a board in general.

― horribl ecreature (harbl), Thursday, October 18, 2012 8:30 PM (42 minutes ago) Bookmark

you mean, like, some kind of kitchen?

holy fucking god, much more of this and i'm upgrading to once a month

ilx is an amazing repository of knowledge, conjecture and criticism but why must you do this to yourselves

please, please, find some peace. for me. i still luvs ya. sort of.

do u like the new ultrasound album o.a.w.i.a.?

miss u boo

^^

mine own kitchen

your mother googling your name and finding your disgusting sex stories reposted on another website under your real name.

ban Matt DC for slut-shaming imo

my secret government name is l4nc3 st4rgr0v3 btw

man u took that Gene S1mmons thing down hardcore

Mordy started overtalking me, quoting "death of the author" (what? is that a threat?)

irl cracked up giggling at this, glad so many others enjoyed it too

hugs to jed_

harbl with the real talk, btw.

This already happened!

^^

yes

xxxp yeah, not as great as EP (couldn't really be given its humbler ambitions) but the four long songs and 'nonsense' are kickass. that said the best 2 songs are probably still the 2 that were released as a single. that plank! band you mentioned sounded pretty cool too - anything else you reckon i'll dig, well, you know the batsignalj

btw the new thumpermonkey album is absolutely incredible and if you like rock, prog, metal, intricate melodies, math rock, mayhem etc then here's 50 minutes' worth you won't regret: http://soundcloud.com/thumpermonkey/sets/sleep-furiously/

maybe i'll even start a thread on them next week, they're that good

anyway there's no other avant-idiocy to task yall up on so have a good one and play nicer

aw dayo n mookie you dont hafta *sniff*

okok you want more well i'm reading gravity's rainbow for realsies and to be frank no other literature matters right now. it's a stage we all go thru eh...less than 1/2way and it feels like 4 novels already!

i'm not a mansplaining expert but i always thought it was a more specific, patronizing attitude kind of thing where some dude basically commits the appeal to authority fallacy, but it appears that he's drawing his so-called "authority" from the fact that he's a man. i've definitely seen men do this to women many times before, so i actually kind of like the term because when people use it correctly it describes complex in a succinct way. i didn't think, though, that mansplaining referred to situations where someone is a man and talks

― down w/ obana...he is the reson were in dept (Z S), Thursday, October 18, 2012 7:54 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

woah who's being slandered now

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2AYfF-bu9M

Complex (artist), an American Rap artist? (xp)

i meant "a complex idea" but forgot 2/3 of the words.

and some dude you knew what you were getting into when you chose that display name, OWN IT

Dhalsim is a pretty cool character imo, takes a lot of skill to play him at competition level tho

no i mean it honestly delights me that people that have seen my posts under this dn for 4+ years straight STILL can't help but use that phrase in posts all the time not in a purposeful joking way. it's become a social experiment for me. w/ the feigned outrage being all part of the fun.

this may shock you - but sometimes i refer to a generic "some dude" in real life!

i think of myself as "some lady" all the time and iirc for a while i delighted in signing off every post with "some lady"
i get it!

- leif

Mordy, ENBB and American female posters more broadly, DJP, contenderizer, who else has this almost never happened to?

― boxall, Thursday, October 18, 2012 2:46 PM (8 hours ago)

thanks god you motherfuckers finally hung this one up

or did they

dun

dun

DUNNNN

Fwiw I wanted to post about this in the push button thread but by that time the thread had moved on but: the whole idea that 'self-nullification has nothing to do w suicide" xoncept has been getting a lot of los and cockeyed stares butiirc when WCC had started protesting about suicide, she had been p much the sole person who'd said she would push the button and virtually everyone else in that thread wad emphatically posting "hell no I would not take the get-out-of-life-free option" so I'm not convinced that a bunch of people who took great pains to distance themselves from a mindset that wd imagine such a button, and press it, are necessarily qualified to decide what a mindset like that is 'about'. I think there are a lot of reasons to start a thread like that, and if WCC was trying to proactively ward off any number of reductive speculations about the orig question being some sort of sublimated death wish or what have you, then I probably wouldn't blame her.

Of course, I def don't agree with how she's handled it since nor do I necc understand what she means about the suicide talk being some kind of triggering agent

xp Oh wait were we done? Dammit all to hell!

your timing was AWESOME, lol

Dhalsim is a pretty cool character imo, takes a lot of skill to play him at competition level tho

― Matt Armstrong, Thursday, October 18, 2012 9:13 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

sux that when you stretch out ppl can kick yr arms or legs or w/e

Would happen IRL. Kicking arms/legs that is.

it's cool how the teleporting started off as a glitch too

she had been p much the sole person who'd said she would push the button and virtually everyone else in that thread wad emphatically posting "hell no I would not take the get-out-of-life-free option" so I'm not convinced that a bunch of people who took great pains to distance themselves from a mindset that wd imagine such a button, and press it, are necessarily qualified to decide what a mindset like that is 'about'.

― skeevy wonder (Drugs A. Money), Friday, October 19, 2012 2:36 AM (8 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

tons of people said they would push it, we got posters imagining all sorts of shit around here!

push it real good

I pushed the bottle. I should've been pushing you.

The Lord replied, "The times when you have seen only one set of footprints is when I pushed the button for you."