Mainly I wanted a place to post this hint on how to display ~/Library since the default now is to have it invisible.
― Stockhausen's Ekranoplan Quartet (Elvis Telecom), Wednesday, 6 July 2011 21:11 (thirteen years ago)
This is really great, guys. Have you enabled the title bar double-clicking? I know you can click to drag anywhere, but they really didn't document this double-clicking thing
― mh, Thursday, 7 July 2011 19:00 (thirteen years ago)
what double-clicking? Double-clicking has always minimized to dock in X, and still does.
― stet, Thursday, 7 July 2011 19:05 (thirteen years ago)
You must not have Lion yet!
Also, the little swirl motion you can do on the touchpad is pretty cool
― mh, Thursday, 7 July 2011 19:42 (thirteen years ago)
I do; just double-clicked, is exactly the same.
― stet, Thursday, 7 July 2011 19:43 (thirteen years ago)
I'm in love with natural scrolling now too, after hating it for two days solid.
― stet, Thursday, 7 July 2011 19:44 (thirteen years ago)
You're really derailing my "making up random shit that is Lion to make Autumn Almanac confused when he actually gets it" tactic
― mh, Thursday, 7 July 2011 19:45 (thirteen years ago)
I've been thinking about being a pirate and grabbing the gold master early this week. I'm assuming you're a registered developer?
― mh, Thursday, 7 July 2011 19:46 (thirteen years ago)
yeh. I think "Gold Master" is pushing it a bit too; shit is buggy.
― stet, Thursday, 7 July 2011 19:47 (thirteen years ago)
There's definitely an unfinished quality to the GM (yes I'm a reg. dev.). Before, GMs have been pretty solid but there's definitely some more work/debugging code removal to go.
― Stockhausen's Ekranoplan Quartet (Elvis Telecom), Thursday, 7 July 2011 19:53 (thirteen years ago)
don't have this yet but i'll be glad to get it & glad to read siracusa's review!
― markers, Friday, 8 July 2011 01:57 (thirteen years ago)
Will not be touching the initial release with a 10-foot pole.
― invite ← VERB (Schlafsack), Friday, 8 July 2011 02:08 (thirteen years ago)
lol rip
― markers, Friday, 8 July 2011 02:15 (thirteen years ago)
Buggy? Wait, isn't it coming out this month?
― Nhex, Friday, 8 July 2011 02:16 (thirteen years ago)
supposedly in a week or so
― markers, Friday, 8 July 2011 02:17 (thirteen years ago)
oooh.. that's not good. Maybe I'll wait for the first or second point release.
― Nhex, Friday, 8 July 2011 02:17 (thirteen years ago)
Just the chance of anything this big being critically buggy is unacceptable. Happy to let everyone else lose their iphoto libraries on my behalf.
― invite ← VERB (Schlafsack), Friday, 8 July 2011 02:38 (thirteen years ago)
have you ever had issues or are you just a for-life conspiracy skeptic?
― mh, Friday, 8 July 2011 04:01 (thirteen years ago)
Not to worry; SL first GM was like this too. The builds they give devs are usually older builds that are slightly more stable. Apple GMs aren't really GM at all.
― stet, Friday, 8 July 2011 10:29 (thirteen years ago)
otm
― laughing stalk (diamonddave85), Friday, 8 July 2011 13:25 (thirteen years ago)
I've not yet used the new scrolling but it seems logical as hell to move your fingers in the direction you want the content to move, as though you're pushing a bit of paper up and down (q.v. ipad). In hindsight it's really quite weird that the other way became the norm for scroll wheels etc.
― Gary Barlow syndrome (Autumn Almanac), Friday, 8 July 2011 13:49 (thirteen years ago)
okay the "all my files" view is winnar.
― Gary Barlow syndrome (Autumn Almanac), Friday, 8 July 2011 13:55 (thirteen years ago)
really? seems utterly useless and pointless to me.
― stet, Friday, 8 July 2011 14:19 (thirteen years ago)
I know it's nothing you can't do already but I like the idea of a standard view that just shows you everything you have. System-wide text search makes everything else redundant imo, but still.
― Gary Barlow syndrome (Autumn Almanac), Friday, 8 July 2011 14:22 (thirteen years ago)
Maybe it's just cos I've got 10,000+ files, but a view that (checks) opens with 6 calendar events from 2006, 10 ancient screen shots, some random PDFs and crappy mid files etc is a view I'm never going into again.
― stet, Friday, 8 July 2011 14:51 (thirteen years ago)
oh fuck, really?
― Gary Barlow syndrome (Autumn Almanac), Friday, 8 July 2011 14:54 (thirteen years ago)
In hindsight it's really quite weird that the other way became the norm for scroll wheels etc.
it comes from the double function of scrollbars - both a "handle" for manipulating a document and a visual indicator of where you were in that document. it worked pretty well imo. but now with touch interfaces no "handle" is required
― 40% chill and 100% negative (Tracer Hand), Friday, 8 July 2011 16:05 (thirteen years ago)
― mh, Friday, July 8, 2011 5:01 AM (12 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
tbf i agree with him totally on this and i am an OG apple stan.
― caek, Friday, 8 July 2011 16:16 (thirteen years ago)
to be fair I'd recommend most users wait for the 10.x.1 release for most releases
but I'm not most users
― mh, Friday, 8 July 2011 16:17 (thirteen years ago)
well exactly. sure, call out AA for his paranoia/jobs obsession/prejudice, but he's 100% otm about this.
― caek, Friday, 8 July 2011 16:18 (thirteen years ago)
by the way, is 10.6.8 ok?
― caek, Friday, 8 July 2011 16:20 (thirteen years ago)
I've had no issues thus far, but I think I only have it installed on one of two machines.
― mh, Friday, 8 July 2011 16:51 (thirteen years ago)
I'm not upgrading to snow leopard til we get to 10.6.9
― PM me for invites to 77+ (cozen), Friday, 8 July 2011 17:18 (thirteen years ago)
lol
― mh, Friday, 8 July 2011 17:33 (thirteen years ago)
loooool @ u all, i'm still on os 9
― markers, Friday, 8 July 2011 18:35 (thirteen years ago)
. . .
classilla ftw
― stet, Friday, 8 July 2011 18:41 (thirteen years ago)
ok seriously autocorrect can GTF. it's turned otm into tom like 15 times now. Learn, ffs.
― stet, Saturday, 9 July 2011 00:28 (thirteen years ago)
TOM.
― naus, Saturday, 9 July 2011 00:32 (thirteen years ago)
Srsly tho: is autocorrect built into 10.7?
― naus, Saturday, 9 July 2011 00:34 (thirteen years ago)
Can you not turn it off?
― Gary Barlow syndrome (Autumn Almanac), Saturday, 9 July 2011 00:36 (thirteen years ago)
it is built in, same model as iPhone's, and tbh it's handy enough to want to keep it on, but they need to add a way to remove/update the dictionary, srsly.
― stet, Saturday, 9 July 2011 00:38 (thirteen years ago)
oh it supposedly does "smart" quotes too. that's not working.
― stet, Saturday, 9 July 2011 00:39 (thirteen years ago)
Seems utterly pointless when you're on a full keyboard. Also, fuck everything that cultivates bad typing habits.
― Gary Barlow syndrome (Autumn Almanac), Saturday, 9 July 2011 00:41 (thirteen years ago)
hold down the 'e' key in this tèxt bóx
― laughing stalk (diamonddave85), Saturday, 9 July 2011 01:47 (thirteen years ago)
Wait, so holding down a key doesn't do key repeat anymore?
― Gary Barlow syndrome (Autumn Almanac), Saturday, 9 July 2011 01:50 (thirteen years ago)
otmbot
― mh, Saturday, 9 July 2011 16:36 (thirteen years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhOG25fM8so
― markers, Wednesday, 13 July 2011 00:22 (thirteen years ago)
I feel a little ashamed for kind of knowingly nodding partway through
― mh, Wednesday, 13 July 2011 00:32 (thirteen years ago)
what version is the stock python on 10.7?
― caek, Thursday, 14 July 2011 13:27 (thirteen years ago)
Python 2.7.1 (r271:86832, Jun 16 2011, 16:59:05) [GCC 4.2.1 (Based on Apple Inc. build 5658) (LLVM build 2335.15.00)] on darwin
― stet, Thursday, 14 July 2011 13:57 (thirteen years ago)
thanking you
― caek, Thursday, 14 July 2011 14:06 (thirteen years ago)
so tomorrow
― markers, Tuesday, 19 July 2011 20:24 (thirteen years ago)
Now it's official I've installed it on my MacBook and full-screen apps are worth the price alone, basically.
― stet, Wednesday, 20 July 2011 13:52 (thirteen years ago)
Is anything broken? I don't want to update and find all my softwares broken.
― dan selzer, Wednesday, 20 July 2011 14:33 (thirteen years ago)
i like that you dont need a license for each installation
― ILX Point Never (diamonddave85), Wednesday, 20 July 2011 14:36 (thirteen years ago)
PPC apps are out -- there's no Rosetta at all. (So that's CS3 and older dead). Everything else seems to be working so far.
― stet, Wednesday, 20 July 2011 14:47 (thirteen years ago)
You've never needed a license for OSX installations.
― dan selzer, Wednesday, 20 July 2011 15:12 (thirteen years ago)
Just read iTunes is finally going to be 64bit Cocoa whatever updated. I've been waiting years and years for iTunes to not be a pain in my ass.
― dan selzer, Wednesday, 20 July 2011 15:13 (thirteen years ago)
It's still a pain in the ass; just a 64bit one.
― stet, Wednesday, 20 July 2011 15:33 (thirteen years ago)
Getting used to the scrolling, but everything seems to have come through smoothly. I downloaded it this morning and the install only took about 30 minutes. Nice!
― mh, Wednesday, 20 July 2011 16:18 (thirteen years ago)
doing this tonight :)
― markers, Wednesday, 20 July 2011 16:31 (thirteen years ago)
Always entertaining when the Spotlight indexing takes twice as long as the install
― mh, Wednesday, 20 July 2011 16:44 (thirteen years ago)
OK, I decided to roll the dice and be a dumbass. The Lion install went so smoothly on my macbook pro that I connected to my Mac Pro via vnc and kicked off the install. It should come back up in an hour or so, right? :)
― mh, Wednesday, 20 July 2011 21:24 (thirteen years ago)
i'm on lion now -- glad to be back to the mac after it taking over an hour & a half plus to do its stuff
― markers, Thursday, 21 July 2011 01:45 (thirteen years ago)
Encrypted Time Capsule backups (along with full-disc encryption) a nice touch. The big Ars Technica article gets into it.
― Stockhausen's Ekranoplan Quartet (Elvis Telecom), Thursday, 21 July 2011 11:36 (thirteen years ago)
My CS3 is Intel, not PPC. Or at least that's what Activity Monitor is telling me.
― Alba, Thursday, 21 July 2011 11:53 (thirteen years ago)
Must be CS2 that's PPC. I don't know if CS3 works though -- heard people complaining about it. Are you running Lion now?
― stet, Thursday, 21 July 2011 12:17 (thirteen years ago)
No, I am afeared of the Lion.
― Alba, Thursday, 21 July 2011 12:28 (thirteen years ago)
Looks like CS3 works, but you have to install Java first.
― stet, Thursday, 21 July 2011 12:37 (thirteen years ago)
i have lion now
― max, Thursday, 21 July 2011 16:42 (thirteen years ago)
what next
brilliant writing appears as if by magic iirc
― 40% chill and 100% negative (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 21 July 2011 17:06 (thirteen years ago)
quit your apps without having to worry about saving
― ILX Point Never (diamonddave85), Thursday, 21 July 2011 18:08 (thirteen years ago)
man, it's nuts a real nice but i still click save sometimes tbrr
― markers, Thursday, 21 July 2011 18:09 (thirteen years ago)
also idk what's doing this autocorrect stuff right now but it really wants spotify to be spottily
sail through space while viewing all ur old document revisions
― ILX Point Never (diamonddave85), Thursday, 21 July 2011 18:10 (thirteen years ago)
i feel like diamond dave is taking my hand and leading me on a cosmic tour of the most advanced operating system on th planet
― max, Thursday, 21 July 2011 19:10 (thirteen years ago)
I got a lion in my pocket I'm lyin I got a nine in my pocket and baby I'm just
― dayo, Thursday, 21 July 2011 20:05 (thirteen years ago)
I know this is incorrect to say for some reason but I really don't like the new UI features. It's more than just me being used to a particular way of doing things. The new scrolling makes sense but mission control feels half-baked and spaces has been neutered.
― Gary Barlow syndrome (Autumn Almanac), Thursday, 21 July 2011 21:24 (thirteen years ago)
I never used spaces because I thought they were too similar to ye olde multiple desktop systems
― mh, Thursday, 21 July 2011 21:35 (thirteen years ago)
http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_loozokhjnx1qz6f9yo1_500.jpg
― g++ (gbx), Thursday, 21 July 2011 22:40 (thirteen years ago)
i never used spaces in previous releases but i use them a lot in lion!
― ILX Point Never (diamonddave85), Thursday, 21 July 2011 23:06 (thirteen years ago)
spaces since day 1, they are awesome! looking forward to seeing how they updated it in lion
― Nhex, Thursday, 21 July 2011 23:17 (thirteen years ago)
Trying really really hard to do things Apple's way. Did away with all my spaces and have everything open in one desktop. If I minimise a window it doesn't appear in mission control. The clutter is already driving me up the wall.
― Gary Barlow syndrome (Autumn Almanac), Friday, 22 July 2011 22:04 (thirteen years ago)
I'm using way more full-screen apps and swiping between them than I thought I would.
― stet, Friday, 22 July 2011 22:17 (thirteen years ago)
The Screen Sharing app is pretty sweet when you full screen it. Then you can swipe between computers@
― mh, Friday, 22 July 2011 22:18 (thirteen years ago)
I'd use more full-screen apps if I weren't on a 15" screen. For stuff like itunes it's just too great an angle for my eyes to cover comfortably. On a MBA I'm sure it'd be great.
― Gary Barlow syndrome (Autumn Almanac), Friday, 22 July 2011 22:25 (thirteen years ago)
I'm going on a 30" screen! ITunes is huge but kinda great. Safari unusable.
― stet, Friday, 22 July 2011 22:33 (thirteen years ago)
Also when you use screen sharing you can get to you desktop/screen even if someone else is logged in at the actual screen. Amazing.
― stet, Friday, 22 July 2011 22:34 (thirteen years ago)
stet aiding and abetting the iOSization of OSX
― dayo, Friday, 22 July 2011 22:34 (thirteen years ago)
I don't have anyone to share screens with :(
Currently trying to work out why the fuck my battery life has halved.
― Gary Barlow syndrome (Autumn Almanac), Friday, 22 July 2011 22:36 (thirteen years ago)
I have been redoing my 'office' area at home so my Mac Pro is currently plugged in downstairs without a monitor/keyboard/mouse. Works great with screen sharing!
― mh, Friday, 22 July 2011 22:44 (thirteen years ago)
Oh jesus, it's Firefox. I don't know why it's started happening in Lion. Nothing unusual in activity monitor but as soon as I close FF the battery life more than doubles.
― Gary Barlow syndrome (Autumn Almanac), Friday, 22 July 2011 23:14 (thirteen years ago)
Some discussion on how the /etc/hosts file has changed (potentially) in Lion: http://ga.rgoyle.com/blog/2011/06/16/mac-os-x-lion-etchosts-file/
― Stockhausen's Ekranoplan Quartet (Elvis Telecom), Saturday, 23 July 2011 21:55 (thirteen years ago)
just used airdrop to send some pics to be girl.... pretty slick
― sofatruck, Monday, 25 July 2011 01:25 (thirteen years ago)
me:
"shit, that file's fucked""wait, there's a versions feature""omg amazing there we go, old version back"
so. good.
― markers, Friday, 19 August 2011 07:06 (thirteen years ago)
all the cute new lil transition animations are way dumb
― ice cr?m, Friday, 16 September 2011 19:13 (thirteen years ago)
yeah, and ugly. When you grab 10 items and drag them somewhere and you suddenly get this bulbous red "10" badge, it's things like that that make wish Apple came up with that metro interface.
― dan selzer, Friday, 16 September 2011 20:34 (thirteen years ago)
when you do the new three finger swipe thing to yr desktop the icons fade in instead of just being there, like where r they coming from idgi
― ice cr?m, Friday, 16 September 2011 21:43 (thirteen years ago)
if you press cmd-m in launchpad or expose it gets worse
― stet, Friday, 16 September 2011 22:43 (thirteen years ago)
h8 u apaple
― caek, Saturday, 17 September 2011 00:11 (thirteen years ago)
it really bugs me that apple implements 'natural scrolling up/down but switching between apps in full screen mode w/ the four finger swipe doesn't follow the same geography
― Whiney G. Blutfarten (dayo), Sunday, 18 September 2011 18:41 (thirteen years ago)
it's three finger, and yeah it does?
― mh, Sunday, 18 September 2011 18:53 (thirteen years ago)
well conceptually they reversed the up/down scrolling because you're imagining you're moving a piece of paper in front of you. now pretend you've got the torah or something horizontal in front of you and imagine you're moving it to the right or left. does it accord with what lion does?
― Whiney G. Blutfarten (dayo), Sunday, 18 September 2011 18:56 (thirteen years ago)
Yes
― stet, Sunday, 18 September 2011 18:56 (thirteen years ago)
? under apple's new philosophy of up/down scrolling, when I move my fingers up I will see more text appear from the bottom of the screen (i.e. downward scrolling). so when I move my fingers to the right, I ought to expect to see an application fly in from the left hand side, no?
― Whiney G. Blutfarten (dayo), Sunday, 18 September 2011 18:59 (thirteen years ago)
what does it do instead?
― remembrance of schwings past (gbx), Sunday, 18 September 2011 19:08 (thirteen years ago)
That's what happens on mine. The only thing that is wrong is legacy three-finger-back in Finder/Chrome etc, and you have to turn that on in prefs
― stet, Sunday, 18 September 2011 19:10 (thirteen years ago)
on my computer when I move my fingers left, apps come in from the left hand side
― Whiney G. Blutfarten (dayo), Sunday, 18 September 2011 19:11 (thirteen years ago)
oh duh I don't have natural scrolling turned on
*fart*
― Whiney G. Blutfarten (dayo), Sunday, 18 September 2011 19:12 (thirteen years ago)
motion to strike previous posts from the record
― Whiney G. Blutfarten (dayo), Sunday, 18 September 2011 19:13 (thirteen years ago)
hey look over there
*throws smoke bomb*
― Whiney G. Blutfarten (dayo), Sunday, 18 September 2011 19:15 (thirteen years ago)
has apple said anything about that upcoming new program where they replace my girlfriend's macbook after i throw it out the gd window for scrolling weird?
― Kerm, Sunday, 18 September 2011 19:17 (thirteen years ago)
okay sorry for the previous brainfart. is there a way to make the dock come up in full screen mode if you have it set to hide?
― Whiney G. Blutfarten (dayo), Sunday, 18 September 2011 20:08 (thirteen years ago)
mine comes up when i jam the mouse to its area.
― science you guys (Clay), Sunday, 18 September 2011 20:11 (thirteen years ago)
oh okay. I ran out of room to jam on the trackpad
― Whiney G. Blutfarten (dayo), Sunday, 18 September 2011 20:12 (thirteen years ago)
dayo, they have classes on how to use a computer at the Apple store, I hear they're free! :)
― mh, Monday, 19 September 2011 00:59 (thirteen years ago)
I used to know what I was doing but then they changed everything
― Whiney G. Blutfarten (dayo), Monday, 19 September 2011 01:02 (thirteen years ago)
refusing to upgrade the mbp because I should have gotten a lion install disc with my air, fuck you apple
― Whiney G. Blutfarten (dayo), Monday, 19 September 2011 01:03 (thirteen years ago)
:-(
― markers, Monday, 19 September 2011 01:08 (thirteen years ago)
You know you can make one, right?
― Autumn Almanac (Schlafsack), Monday, 19 September 2011 01:13 (thirteen years ago)
yeah but only as a fresh install right? can't make a upgrade versh afaik
― Whiney G. Blutfarten (dayo), Monday, 19 September 2011 01:14 (thirteen years ago)
Yeah you can! It's the same damn thing.
― mh, Monday, 19 September 2011 01:39 (thirteen years ago)
could you point me to somewhere that says you can?
― Whiney G. Blutfarten (dayo), Monday, 19 September 2011 01:40 (thirteen years ago)
Uh, the fact that the disc you make is just an image of the installer, which when launched from inside OS X is an upgrader?
― mh, Monday, 19 September 2011 01:43 (thirteen years ago)
In fact, you could just stick the upgrader on a drive and then run it from the other computer!
I dunno man
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4848
NotesIf the computer shipped with Lion, the external recovery drive can only be used with the system that created it.If the system was upgraded from Mac OS X v10.6 Snow Leopard to Lion, the external recovery drive can be used with other systems that were upgraded from Snow Leopard to Lion.
If the computer shipped with Lion, the external recovery drive can only be used with the system that created it.
If the system was upgraded from Mac OS X v10.6 Snow Leopard to Lion, the external recovery drive can be used with other systems that were upgraded from Snow Leopard to Lion.
― Whiney G. Blutfarten (dayo), Monday, 19 September 2011 01:45 (thirteen years ago)
tbc my air shipped with lion - has never seen snow leopard. so this would mean any disk I make with it could only be used with it or w/ a blank HD, yeah?
― Whiney G. Blutfarten (dayo), Monday, 19 September 2011 01:47 (thirteen years ago)
External. recovery. drive.
Can you download via the app store?
― mh, Monday, 19 September 2011 14:21 (thirteen years ago)
To clarify since I was kind of harsh:
I was *not* referring to the external recovery drive stuff. I was talking about the installer/upgrader that you can make a disk image of that is what you get from the App Store. I thought that you either are entitled to a copy of that as a new hardware purchaser, or that it was somehow available, but it looks like you can only get that if you purchase (or otherwise somehow download) it by itself.
Sorry for the confusion! It sounds like you're stuck paying $30 or getting the image through other means if you just want an upgrade.
― mh, Monday, 19 September 2011 14:32 (thirteen years ago)
haha understood, and yeah I probably have done a bit more research on this than necessary. but as a new hardware purchaser I'm not entitled to download it from the app store @ all, only to do web recovery or make my own usb/external recovery drive.
my only hope is that I'm pretty sure that when I log onto the App Store from my parents refurbished iMac I do see some kind of... Lion Upgrade thingy that I can assign to my account. if it turns out that my parents iMac was upgraded from snow leopard at the factory, then I could probably make a boot image from that.
― Whiney G. Blutfarten (dayo), Monday, 19 September 2011 14:39 (thirteen years ago)
and yeah, wtf @ apple for not giving me a free download via the App Store, which is why I said fuck you apple in the first place!
It's only $30 though. Or um, you could download it elsewhere from less authentic sources.
― mh, Monday, 19 September 2011 14:45 (thirteen years ago)
it's the principle of the matter. I could buy a lot of beer or a fifth for $30!
― Whiney G. Blutfarten (dayo), Monday, 19 September 2011 14:56 (thirteen years ago)
and I already gave them two huge lumps of cash in the past summer
I'll email you the installer and a fifth
― mh, Monday, 19 September 2011 15:01 (thirteen years ago)
am confused dayo: what would you want to download? You can make an external image already, so what do you want to download?
― stet, Monday, 19 September 2011 21:03 (thirteen years ago)
He can make a recovery image, which he believes (and I'm starting to believe) is only good for a fresh install. He wants to upgrade.
― mh, Monday, 19 September 2011 21:24 (thirteen years ago)
But to upgrade you'd have to be running 10.6, and isn't the point that this mac came w/10.7?
― stet, Monday, 19 September 2011 21:43 (thirteen years ago)
― Whiney G. Blutfarten (dayo), Sunday, September 18, 2011 8:03 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark
― so i had sex with a piñata (mh), Monday, 19 September 2011 21:46 (thirteen years ago)
I'm just pissed that apple has finally started regulating its licenses
― Whiney G. Blutfarten (dayo), Monday, 19 September 2011 21:49 (thirteen years ago)
or maybe because apple is being inconsistent? like in the past, you could buy a single user license and a family user pack with like 5 licenses. they were both the exact same thing, you could install it on as many different macs as you'd like, but technically you'd only have bought one or five licenses.
now with lion, assuming you are upgrading from snow leopard, you just buy it once and you can install it on all your macs, yeah, without having to buy separate licenses for each of your macs? but if you buy a brand new mac, you can't use that mac's copy of lion to upgrade your snow leopard macs. doesn't make sense.
― Whiney G. Blutfarten (dayo), Monday, 19 September 2011 21:52 (thirteen years ago)
What are you talking about? They're still exactly the same thing, except with new macs you get a one-off. In the past, if you bought a new mac with, say 10.6, the disc it came with would be machine-specific and wouldn't necessarily work as a way to upgrade a 10.5 machine.
― so i had sex with a piñata (mh), Monday, 19 September 2011 21:59 (thirteen years ago)
In other words, this is *exactly* how it was.
lol you're right
― Whiney G. Blutfarten (dayo), Monday, 19 September 2011 22:06 (thirteen years ago)
fuck you, apple
dude stfu stop complaining download this http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/6553429
― ice cr?m, Monday, 19 September 2011 22:15 (thirteen years ago)
I am very offended by your insinuation, mr. ice cr?m
― Whiney G. Blutfarten (dayo), Monday, 19 September 2011 22:16 (thirteen years ago)
haha icey just got real
― Clay, Monday, 19 September 2011 22:16 (thirteen years ago)
http://i.imgur.com/J31Nt.gif
― markers, Monday, 19 September 2011 23:27 (thirteen years ago)
I made the executive decision (just now) in the shower that I will buy Lion this week
but that new finder sidebar is still ugly as shit
― Whiney G. Blutfarten (dayo), Monday, 19 September 2011 23:44 (thirteen years ago)
Finder is an abortion full stop, the sidebar is just an additional nuisance
― Autumn Almanac (Schlafsack), Monday, 19 September 2011 23:52 (thirteen years ago)
<3 finder
― markers, Tuesday, 20 September 2011 00:01 (thirteen years ago)
You better, they will never fix it. They want Finder to wither away.
― lukas, Tuesday, 20 September 2011 00:02 (thirteen years ago)
i'm not trolling, i genuinely like it -- what do y'all dislike about it?
― markers, Tuesday, 20 September 2011 00:06 (thirteen years ago)
You know, it's so long since I used the Finder for anything serious that I'm having trouble remembering all the things I hate about it. I do all my file operations through Nautilus on an Ubuntu box.
― Autumn Almanac (Schlafsack), Tuesday, 20 September 2011 00:14 (thirteen years ago)
markers, read the siracusa reviews
― caek, Tuesday, 20 September 2011 00:17 (thirteen years ago)
actually he wrote an article just about it
http://arstechnica.com/apple/reviews/2003/04/finder.ars
― caek, Tuesday, 20 September 2011 00:20 (thirteen years ago)
(it's gotten worse since then)
― caek, Tuesday, 20 September 2011 00:21 (thirteen years ago)
Here's a few off the top of my head:
- nowhere near enough in the way of hotkeys- new finder windows default to the "all my files" thing- display options are (a) an outline list (b) that horrible grid thing (c) big icons- dragging a file intermittently selects a list of files instead- ejecting a USB drive closes the finder window without asking- basically it's made for people who don't use computers
― Autumn Almanac (Schlafsack), Tuesday, 20 September 2011 00:30 (thirteen years ago)
- display options are (a) an outline list (b) that horrible grid thing (c) big icons
(d) cover flow, which makes nought sense in a file system most of the time
the worst is when I do expose and find out I have like 25 finder windows open
― Whiney G. Blutfarten (dayo), Tuesday, 20 September 2011 00:37 (thirteen years ago)
<3 windows file manager though
w/ the new lion finder I look at my sidebar and I have no idea which is my dropbox folder and which is my photos folder and which is my downloads folder, it's all a big glob of grey
― Whiney G. Blutfarten (dayo), Tuesday, 20 September 2011 00:38 (thirteen years ago)
yeah, win explorer is the greatest xp
― Autumn Almanac (Schlafsack), Tuesday, 20 September 2011 00:39 (thirteen years ago)
You guys know that windows is going to totally fuck up the default view in Win 8, right? :)
― so i had sex with a piñata (mh), Tuesday, 20 September 2011 00:45 (thirteen years ago)
anyone use pathfinder?
― forced to change display name (gbx), Tuesday, 20 September 2011 00:46 (thirteen years ago)
the vista/7 finder thingy sucks, xp windows explorer was classic, 95/98 file manager was classicer
― Whiney G. Blutfarten (dayo), Tuesday, 20 September 2011 00:50 (thirteen years ago)
shit I am being rockist about windows I need to *take a step back*
- new finder windows default to the "all my files" thing
mine doesn't. Maybe "always open in list view" in view prefs?
I'm confused. Icon size is adjustable. There's even a little slider in the finder window. Been that way since Snow Leopard.
- dragging a file intermittently selects a list of files instead
not for me.
- ejecting a USB drive closes the finder window without asking
it closes the finder window displaying the content of the USB drive, but not other windows.
― dan selzer, Tuesday, 20 September 2011 00:56 (thirteen years ago)
I saw a toolbar on the Win8 Explorer and threw up for 12 minutes
― Autumn Almanac (Schlafsack), Tuesday, 20 September 2011 00:56 (thirteen years ago)
I saw a toolbar RIBBON on the Win8 Explorer and threw up for 12 minutes
is what I meant
― Autumn Almanac (Schlafsack), Tuesday, 20 September 2011 01:08 (thirteen years ago)
- dragging a file intermittently selects a list of files insteadnot for me.
i think he's talking about this
http://hints.macworld.com/article.php?story=20051121074003638
― caek, Tuesday, 20 September 2011 01:12 (thirteen years ago)
drag too quickly and you extend the selection, kind of like if you click a second time to edit a file name you actually double click
it's not a finder thing, it's a mac thing
― caek, Tuesday, 20 September 2011 01:13 (thirteen years ago)
Until it acts like OS 9 finder (complete w/drawers and stationery pads that work) it is dead to me
― stet, Tuesday, 20 September 2011 10:24 (thirteen years ago)
so in full screen mode, if I fling my mouse cursor to the top (where those infinite pixels are) and let it rest there, the menu bar pops down. but if I fling my cursor down to the bottom (where my dock is hiding), I have to keep on continuing downward movement in order to get the dock to come up. yeah?
― Whiney G. Blutfarten (dayo), Tuesday, 20 September 2011 16:59 (thirteen years ago)
whoa i just hit the worg key command and my shit went buck, the dashboard editing mode came up behind everything so that the add widget viewer was on the bottom of the screen but the active widgets were behind chrome w/only their little x's for removal showing AND i was in some weird fullscreen mode where the top menu bar was hidden - i got really confused, mashed my keyboard and ended up restarting
― ice cr?m, Tuesday, 20 September 2011 23:01 (thirteen years ago)
wtf that was terrifying
something similar happened to me last week after I exited a vid chat in ichat, had to hold the power button down
― Whiney G. Blutfarten (dayo), Tuesday, 20 September 2011 23:13 (thirteen years ago)
YOU WERE STARING IN2 TH MAINFRAME
― max, Tuesday, 20 September 2011 23:31 (thirteen years ago)
i was just in terminal trying to rip out the fuckin google talk plugin
i did not succeed
― markers, Monday, 3 October 2011 03:08 (thirteen years ago)
rm . . . de
― markers, Monday, 3 October 2011 03:09 (thirteen years ago)
sudo rm -fr /Library/Internet Plug-Ins/googletalkbrowserplugin.plugin /Library/Internet Plug-Ins/npgtpo3dautoplugin.plugin
― jeff tWEEDy (diamonddave85), Monday, 3 October 2011 03:46 (thirteen years ago)
ty!
― markers, Monday, 3 October 2011 04:30 (thirteen years ago)
the special characters window is more useful x1000
― shaane, Thursday, 13 October 2011 16:31 (thirteen years ago)
now i can edit the id3 tags for princes Sign ☮ The Times with ease
― shaane, Thursday, 13 October 2011 16:33 (thirteen years ago)
any other tips? i'm just getting my way around it. this is the first time i've really used gestures and they are awesome. i want gestures for EVERYTHING, like window closing, for instance. switching tabs. etc
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 13 October 2011 16:48 (thirteen years ago)
if you flip off your mac it detects it using FaceTime™ and formats itself...wasting all of your data
― 2001: a based godyssey (dayo), Thursday, 13 October 2011 17:03 (thirteen years ago)
Guys I realize this marks me out as tremendously pedestrian but I like Launchpad... a LOT
Mainly because of the sleek fucking little gesture used to invoke it
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 13 October 2011 21:08 (thirteen years ago)
lol i turned that shit off
― ice cr?m, Thursday, 13 October 2011 21:09 (thirteen years ago)
I love Launchpad. I don't have a touchpad, but I assigned F1 to it and put all my key applications on the first page. This is useful for me because I keep my dock hidden. So I just hit F1 and select whatever needs opening.
― dan selzer, Thursday, 13 October 2011 21:14 (thirteen years ago)
I use Spotlight to launch most apps :/
― avant-garde heterosexuals (mh), Thursday, 13 October 2011 21:30 (thirteen years ago)
I hate spotlight
― dan selzer, Thursday, 13 October 2011 21:33 (thirteen years ago)
― dan selzer, Friday, 14 October 2011 08:33 (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
http://virturl.com/pile/art/faces/disgust.jpg
― Autumn Almanac (Schlafsack), Thursday, 13 October 2011 21:40 (thirteen years ago)
btw Launchpad is fiddly and ill-thought out and woefully inconsistent and disgustingly savage
― Autumn Almanac (Schlafsack), Thursday, 13 October 2011 21:42 (thirteen years ago)
Once again, AA, we have to disagree, because something that works perfectly fine and simply for me is frustrating to you.
― dan selzer, Thursday, 13 October 2011 21:44 (thirteen years ago)
The thing I don't get about hating Spotlight is that it's completely and totally out of your way unless you need it (although so is Launchpad now that I think about it)
― Autumn Almanac (Schlafsack), Thursday, 13 October 2011 21:46 (thirteen years ago)
I initially hated spotlight because it's key command conflicted with very basic Adobe key commands, then because it's indexing took forever. Now I just don't need it...because I don't have to search for things if I already know where they are.
― dan selzer, Thursday, 13 October 2011 21:48 (thirteen years ago)
gestures are incredibly useful. they nullify most of the shit i would use keyboard shortcuts to do. mission control is also key. i tried really hard to drink the spaces/expose kool-aid but that drug just wasn't working. the double-tap gesture for mc on my magic mouse is freakin delightful. launchpad is useful when i need it. i mostly use spotlight for launching tho.
its been hard to parse whats good about what bc I'm coming off of 6 yrs on a G4, now on an i7. I'm pretty overwhelmed.
app store is kinda clutch. I'm glad i can give 99¢ to the developer of I Love Stars w/ two clicks. über universal apps would be good so i don't have to buy pages twice.
tighter integration w/ iOS would be good. like being able to move anything from one to the other.
i have a feeling that apples going to rule the 21st century.
― shaane, Thursday, 13 October 2011 21:48 (thirteen years ago)
I initially hated spotlight because it's key command conflicted with very basic Adobe key commands, then because it's indexing took forever.
Ah, I see what you mean. You can change the keyboard shortcut iirc, and I think you can even reduce the indexing by telling it to not index anything.
― Autumn Almanac (Schlafsack), Thursday, 13 October 2011 21:51 (thirteen years ago)
I've done both.
― dan selzer, Thursday, 13 October 2011 21:52 (thirteen years ago)
i tried really hard to drink the spaces/expose kool-aid but that drug just wasn't working.
I've done away with Spaces altogether, which I HATED doing because I've been using virtual desktops for maybe 15 years. I have a few apps in full screen mode but it's a compromise, and if ever I want to e.g. drag music into itunes I have to un-full screen it.
― Autumn Almanac (Schlafsack), Thursday, 13 October 2011 21:54 (thirteen years ago)
Just on Spotlight, I use it for everything all the time because I'm a hacky terminal user from way back, and find it easier and faster to type part of the name of something than go looking for it in folders/menus (although I do recognise that that's just me)
― Autumn Almanac (Schlafsack), Thursday, 13 October 2011 21:55 (thirteen years ago)
why do you have to un-fullscreen iTunes? you can drag and hold files at the edge of the screen to move over to the full screen app.
― shaane, Thursday, 13 October 2011 22:01 (thirteen years ago)
wow I had no idea, cheers
― Autumn Almanac (Schlafsack), Thursday, 13 October 2011 22:02 (thirteen years ago)
i rarely ever go looking for some random file. usually what i need is in an app thats already open or one of the folders on the dock which i clean out regularly. so i use spotlight only to launch apps that i use occasionally.
― shaane, Thursday, 13 October 2011 22:03 (thirteen years ago)
spotlight is great for launching apps
― markers, Thursday, 13 October 2011 22:03 (thirteen years ago)
I tried spotlight out for 2 minutes in tiger and have never used it since
― 2001: a based godyssey (dayo), Thursday, 13 October 2011 22:08 (thirteen years ago)
its good for searching for things
― ice cr?m, Thursday, 13 October 2011 22:09 (thirteen years ago)
ha. tiger in spotlight blew chunks all over grandmas new dress.
― shaane, Thursday, 13 October 2011 22:10 (thirteen years ago)
er, spotlight in tiger
I have reserved my top right INFINITE PIXEL to expose though, launchpad is much better for app launching
― 2001: a based godyssey (dayo), Thursday, 13 October 2011 22:11 (thirteen years ago)
I have been using Spotlight equivalents in Win (Launchy) and Ubuntu (gnome-do) for years. Could not live without them.
― Autumn Almanac (Schlafsack), Thursday, 13 October 2011 22:11 (thirteen years ago)
hot corner users, dire barbarians each one
― ice cr?m, Thursday, 13 October 2011 22:14 (thirteen years ago)
upper-left for show desktop is useful
― shaane, Thursday, 13 October 2011 22:19 (thirteen years ago)
I have never had an upper left corner. OMG
― 2001: a based godyssey (dayo), Thursday, 13 October 2011 22:22 (thirteen years ago)
I made it into "post I Miss You youtube"
upper left is apple menu, you monster
bottom left and right are useful.
if the only launching you ever do with spotlight is just running applications it's just about fine (although the amount of crap i have to scroll through to launch itunes after typing "it" is kind of amazing), but alfred or launchbar are _way_ better for everything spotlight does except actual searching.
― caek, Thursday, 13 October 2011 22:24 (thirteen years ago)
aa, if you are a hacky terminal user you should try one of those, or quicksilver
― caek, Thursday, 13 October 2011 22:25 (thirteen years ago)
― shaane, Friday, 14 October 2011 09:19 (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
Not judging but what do you use show desktop for? I never ever need to show my desktop.
― Autumn Almanac (Schlafsack), Thursday, 13 October 2011 22:25 (thirteen years ago)
I installed alfred once but all it did was return snide erudite one-liners
― 2001: a based godyssey (dayo), Thursday, 13 October 2011 22:25 (thirteen years ago)
I should definitely look at Alfred, been hearing good things recently
― Autumn Almanac (Schlafsack), Thursday, 13 October 2011 22:26 (thirteen years ago)
i have never used alfred tbf. i hear it mentioned. launchbar all the way.
― caek, Thursday, 13 October 2011 22:27 (thirteen years ago)
they keep threatening to resurrect quicksilver but afaict the og developer is basically insane and its open source community is not much better.
― caek, Thursday, 13 October 2011 22:28 (thirteen years ago)
http://www.alfredapp.com/powerpack/
http://www.alfredapp.com/images/powerpack/itunes-mini-player.jpg
― Autumn Almanac (Schlafsack), Thursday, 13 October 2011 22:29 (thirteen years ago)
if you don't use the desktop then obv show desktop is not useful. i just use the default expose shortcut for that when i need it.
bottom left hot corner is lock screen for me.
― caek, Thursday, 13 October 2011 22:29 (thirteen years ago)
oh, wait, I thought the user was searching for "Polite Dance Song" and got Elliott Smith, nm xp
xxp oh great, more helvetica
― caek, Thursday, 13 October 2011 22:30 (thirteen years ago)
the basic thing is spotlight is so much more than a launcher and as a result the UI isn't really optimized for launching stuff (and certainly not the kind of object verb subject stuff that even the basic dedicated launchers do). so get a real launcher, disable/reuse the spotlight shortcut, and one the rare occasions you need to use it's full text search then click the spotlight icon or use the keyboard shortcut that opens the dedicated spotlight window.
― caek, Thursday, 13 October 2011 22:34 (thirteen years ago)
that is how i break it down
i use the desktop as a scratchpad so flicking between apps and the desktop comes in handy. its usually empty.
hahaha re: the hate for upper left. i chose it just cause the gesture of flinging the pointer up-left to reveal felt natural.
― shaane, Thursday, 13 October 2011 22:36 (thirteen years ago)
caek, what kind of object verb subject stuff do you do on a regular basis?
― lukas, Thursday, 13 October 2011 22:37 (thirteen years ago)
ftp, email, append to clipboard
― caek, Thursday, 13 October 2011 22:38 (thirteen years ago)
probably some other stuff
when I picture caek using his mac, it looks like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbpCLqryN-Q
― 2001: a based godyssey (dayo), Thursday, 13 October 2011 22:39 (thirteen years ago)
yeah, i can imagine using those
― lukas, Thursday, 13 October 2011 22:39 (thirteen years ago)
i use the desktop as a scratchpad
Sorry, I don't get what you mean. Temp file storage (e.g. text files), or an actual scratchpad like a big magna-doodle?
― Autumn Almanac (Schlafsack), Thursday, 13 October 2011 22:39 (thirteen years ago)
real launchers also have a bunch of stuff built in that is basically just executing an applescript but is convenient to have prewritten (play/pause, show someone's phone number in big text, drill through folders, move, delete...)
― caek, Thursday, 13 October 2011 22:40 (thirteen years ago)
when i use a mac it is more like http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.os.openbsd.misc/134336/focus=134979
― caek, Thursday, 13 October 2011 22:41 (thirteen years ago)
jeez how does the mailman get your replies back to ILX so quickly
― 2001: a based godyssey (dayo), Thursday, 13 October 2011 22:41 (thirteen years ago)
another thing i use it for is searches, e.g. i can type cmd-space then "a z" then space then type some text and a browser tab launches with it searched for on amazon. if i type "a z d e" then it searches amazon.de.
― caek, Thursday, 13 October 2011 22:45 (thirteen years ago)
it also has clipboard history. i hit cmd-opt-\ and i get a list of the last 40 things i put in my clipboard. i can either scroll down or type a few letters from the entry i want, then hit turn to put the item back in the clipboard. this is on the verge of becoming bloatware, but LB does a way better job of it than the dedicated clipboard things that i don't mind. clipboard history is one of those things you don't know how you lived without.
― caek, Thursday, 13 October 2011 22:48 (thirteen years ago)
youre just asking to have that used against you in a court of law
― ice cr?m, Thursday, 13 October 2011 22:51 (thirteen years ago)
I love LB and probably use 15% of it's features.
― i love pinfold cricket (gbx), Thursday, 13 October 2011 22:52 (thirteen years ago)
lol xp my current history is basically just me stalking you on ilx
http://i.minus.com/ibaAv2d4pQqRqx.png
― caek, Thursday, 13 October 2011 22:55 (thirteen years ago)
tbh unless I'm doing a search, I never look at the UI of Spotlight
I usually just type the first few characters of an app name and hit enter
― avant-garde heterosexuals (mh), Thursday, 13 October 2011 22:55 (thirteen years ago)
chilling xp
― ice cr?m, Thursday, 13 October 2011 22:56 (thirteen years ago)
so caek, you're a launchbar guy? don't quite recognize that launcher
― avant-garde heterosexuals (mh), Thursday, 13 October 2011 22:58 (thirteen years ago)
ha at me uploading my government phone number to ilx in a screenshot
― caek, Thursday, 13 October 2011 23:10 (thirteen years ago)
we need a "indefensible: stallman" thread
― Autumn Almanac (Schlafsack), Thursday, 13 October 2011 23:13 (thirteen years ago)
scratchpad is the wrong word. i just treat it like an actual desk. shit I'm working on goes there and i clean up when I'm done.
― shaane, Thursday, 13 October 2011 23:20 (thirteen years ago)
ah righto
― Autumn Almanac (Schlafsack), Thursday, 13 October 2011 23:22 (thirteen years ago)
btw sorry to rail against the whole metaphor of a desktop, I just hate things being on my desktop and forget that other people use it for real things
― Autumn Almanac (Schlafsack), Thursday, 13 October 2011 23:23 (thirteen years ago)
gassée on nextstep/be os: http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/the-story-behind-apples-next-os-in-1996-video/63196
― markers, Friday, 11 November 2011 14:31 (thirteen years ago)
I'll watch the video when I'm not at work but this quote:
“Thank god that didn’t happen, because I hated Apple’s management.”
..is completely hilarious in context. Had Gassée made the sale, he could have probably quit Be/Apple and retired a rich man. He basically flubbed the entire negotiation. On the other side of the coin, Jobs actually disliked most of the managers as well and as his influence grew upon his return, he cleaned house.
― mh, Friday, 11 November 2011 14:36 (thirteen years ago)