[ROCKTOBER 4] darraghmac Appreciation Day

I like this guy and will be sad when his internet gets disconnected and he'll have to work 18 hours a day in the potato factory due to the financial "issues" in his part of the world.

this guy is hella underated imo

I admire his typically British sense of fair play and decency.

this dude is awesome despite the fact that i am a mod and he is the enemy

THIS NEEDED MORE APPRECIATION FOR A GREAT FELLA

ha i did NOT see this

i knew my policy of being the quickest, and often only, reply to KBP threads would pay off some day :)

thank fuck darraghmac appreciation day is now over

^ typical jealous pommie

i feel like i've won a gold medal in a games sullied by low crowd attendance, possibly due to infrastructural issues.

Ah well, you could have gone to a better event if it weren't for the French.

spirit of 1798 well and truly broken at this stage

http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2896/premier-league/2011/03/03/2377281/tottenham-eyeing-shock-5m-white-hart-lane-return-for

waht

wait isn't Robinson dead?

they can do wonderful things for cholesterol sufferers these days

I like this guy and will be sad when his internet gets disconnected and he'll have to work 18 hours a day

this has basically come true fwiw.

wait is this where i use that maracas.jpg thing or

the delay in my dial-up is really hampering my snappy zing performance

This is a bit off-topic but my work has seen at least six unsolicited resumes come in from expat Irish types, all pretty much writing "please please please give us a job because I don't want to get sent back".

well to get back on-topic, i very <3 darraghmac, delayed dial-up or no.

i'm hoping that my very particular brand of curmudgeonly insularity will put me to the top of any ilxor-with-recruitment-power's list when that time inevitably comes, tbh

Xp awwwwww

i can move to your country any time i want to, except first i have to fill all out these dispiriting foreign birth registration and passport forms which i don't wanta, i hate forms.

come through knock. There's an auld retired cop sitting at a table they nicked from the local school. Last time i went through, he waved me by, sayin 'gwan ahead i remember ye from last time'.

knock, king of airports

it's the biz. Arrive twenty mins before take off, off with ye boys

;_;

felt a twinge of sympathy there for a too poetic and predictable hamartia

you expect incompetence, but not that

what happened

something terrible happened in a town in northern england

nobody ever revives this shit just to say 'hi', what is that?

it's almost as if ilx has decided yr inner life is entirely determined by the travails of harry and his brave hotspurs

tbf to kbp he knows- it's the stupid, economy

hey were is everyone

http://www.commenthaven.com/graphics/labor-day-comments/labor-day_9.gif

hey darraghmac! one of the reasons i like you is because you remind me of

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/4/42/Caramac.jpg/220px-Caramac.jpg

i get that a lot from uk ilxors but iirc nobody's ever been able to confirm that the pronunciation is the same, assuming it is tbh.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jdV2X_A85M

can't view youtubes but sup nakh

i was just posting a youtube of

http://www.discogs.com/Prml-Scrm-Swstk-Ys/release/244056

i don't *think* they're swastikas

.......are they?

no they're not but they look a bit like them so

hmmph that'd kinda suits my bytimes misunderstood ilx persona, i feel

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2228368/Tottenham-Hotspur-scouting-West-Ham-striker-Andy-Carroll-summer-switch.html

Obv

bobby zamora

Hope

http://forums.naimaudio.com/displayForumTopic/content/18180130516909910?nc=1&reply=18180130518701147#18180130518701147

hi fi forums! that's an idea you can take to the bank :)

whatever i'm accused of i deny

on another subject, I just discovered that Supermac's is opening up shop in Australia this year because lol diaspora

Ye wont know what hit ye

gotta help organise a work lunch next month, st patrick's day theme

help me steer clear of the usual cliches, big man

Hmmm

dont do it, blow the funds, the night before ring the ecb in a panic, try to convince them that the event is of systemic importance

Tbrr cliche is prob what's expected and theyll be disappointed not to get it, but what kind of tips were you lookin for

I'm working on the quiz element of the lunch (highly fought over, prize is cinema vouchers) and I'm trying to avoid questions like "what is a Shillelagh?"

btw some of my colleagues have already said "Irish food is too hard, maybe we can include some English dishes?"

Yes, give them something they can actually eat

proper irish food , cos i never answered this, would be lamb stew, bacon and cabbage, black pudding, guinness and whiskey, eh idk beyond that.

themes? shamrocks and green and gold, get somme uileann pipe music i spose

i mean it's gammy enough, you'd genuinely be better going for the cliches, get drunk and wear a green hat and whatever else ye think we do.

worrisome that my only real thread is in tis backwater tbh

whtob thread is full of bad news so i said here'd do for a personal update of hols in the sun eating cured meats fruits and cheese, reading by the pool and occasionally visiting sites of historical or architectural note. otoh my tablet stopped charging wtf. any questions?

tell us of these meats.

porcine in origin and prepared along the iberian fashion

I intend to eat several similar in October. Feel free to expand.

after you've eaten a few you certainly will amirite

well it was the only possible response wasnt it

cured meats AND cured fruits? explain

For Gallagher, the driving force behind the band Oasis during the 1990s, the literary industry is bound up with issues of class, arguing that "people who write and read and review books are fucking putting themselves a tiny little bit above the rest of us who fucking make records and write pathetic little songs for a living."

According to the Bookseller's Cathy Retzenbrink, Gallagher has identified an "incredibly serious point".

"He's saying what loads of people in this country think, but don't normally have a platform to say," Retzenbrink added. "There are vast amounts of people who feel this way, who do feel that people who are comfortable with words look down on them."

Still awesome, sad that when the mod powers become fully aware he will be the first against the wall

<3

with his "anti-music opinions" stance, darraghmac rails against the machine that not only celebrates him daily, but has made his career possible. this is something he shares with every thinker of integrity in history.

the best

er, i mean "the greatest", not the best

god bless all here but idk why the revive i've had better weeks

stfu please, not really for you to judge...

fair, fair

what about stew?

i'll post to the requisite in the next few mins

ok preferably the del boy falling etc thread

you got what you got. not my best work (nor his) but i have three assignments to start and finish before tuesday 6pm so there it is.

did this happen y/n

yes i posted it to the stewart lee thread

if you meant the assignments/exam then yes i handed in the skin of my teeth before the due date and i wrote the exam out on the seat of my pants

now im up doing next week's work because my neighbours (all sides) are disgusting savages who know how to work a washing machine but not fucking when

still? god

it's a combination of three things

thin walls
disgusting savagery
my anticipation of the combination of the above having me on edge at bedtime

anyway i am calm and centred, i am one with creation, i am thankful for this peaceful time in which to maintain an acceptable gpa -_-

anticipation is 98% of the grief imo

i.e. you turn into a huge ball of anxiety well before you're even at your front gate

darraghmod

never saw this portrait of schubert before but

http://www.biography.com/imported/images/Biography/Images/Profiles/S/Franz-Schubert-9475558-1-402.jpg

Theres a certain somethin but idk erman from little prince still the benchmark

plus i've lost weight, thanks for not noticing

uh i totally did

Just means that now you are less of a man

If it came down to fisticuffs i would absolutely destroy your kid. And im not even saying it wont. (promise good for min. 5-6 years).

Not so trash talky now are ya

fair warning, he's a biter

In light of new information i concede

how have u adjusted to the realization that u are franz schubert

31 January 1797 – 19 November 1828

u must be close to outliving your first incarnation

The cause of his death was officially diagnosed as typhoid fever, though other theories have been proposed, including the tertiary stage of syphilis.[60]

that would explain why the current incarnation of deems/schubert no longer drinks from stagnant ponds or visits viennese houses of ill repute

Which in turn explains my having outlived.

Still, you die and learn eh

my view exactly

darraghmac, what is your favourite situation comedy?

That alf garnett were a right life.

idk what all counts. yr porridge and yr steptoe and son and yr yes ministers all had somethin but i dig right through to arrested development or boosh or conchords if they all count.

im not a fr ted fanatic but i have a sense of ownership of it that makes it that bit more dear to me.

Rossiter of course is peerless. Hmmm. Good question.

what is your favourite album by a band

Oof something appalingly indie i guess, i dont rly have a favourite 'album' by 'a band' tho or at least i havent in a dozen years

I am never surprised when darraghmac appears in a thread as The Voice of Reason. Nor am I surprised when he appears in a thread armed with spitballs and a wicked aim. He has that kind of versatility.

You're the 1st person to mention rossiter! Prob the best "canon" choice

The agonies of morgan, rossiter, corbett all seem of a type to me

yeah, altho arguably Steptoe is less of a heel than the other two

Eh his sins mirror teds in many ways i think, the prideful yen for escape of purgatorially dull company to an alternative more feared than the staying

ah but don't forget Ted isn't above the odd bit of embezzlement, more or less lethal disregard for the needs of others etc

Ted's and Rigsby's respective Hells feel more of their own making, Harold's is more arbitrary maybe

sorry, "of their own making" as in appropriate punishment for their sins

Perrin a different beast obv and more of a horror performance at times for that

xp those daybyday throwaway tedisms are more satires of the irish political class than core characteristic imo

The sins, purgatory, guilt, punishment catholicism (tho obv perrin couldnt be much more coe) aspects run deep through all in any case and prob draw me deeper in than other sitcom examples

Ted is really beholden to The Third Policeman in a bunch of ways i think

Im sure if i knew enough about dante the other two would suggest similar parallels but yeah tonally and everything else ted is permeated with the anguish of the surreal and the impossible mundane

rly feeling dmac atm

think he's secretly one of the best & fairest advice givers on ilx

I'm openly one of the best tbh

thanks markers btw

looking at upper body stuff for the summer the legs aren't gonna get much better than this *preens*

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bwjo-pZIUAAr_gC.jpg

I did not enjoy that but i did enjoy thinking abt Fr Ted, Reggie Perrin and Harold Steptoe prior to that

gotta help organise a work lunch next month, st patrick's day theme

help me steer clear of the usual cliches, big man

― B.A. "Bad Attitude" Santamaria (King Boy Pato), Wednesday, 27 February 2013 12:02 (1 year ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Hmmm

dont do it, blow the funds, the night before ring the ecb in a panic, try to convince them that the event is of systemic importance

― bbag bbag my nebby shot me down (darraghmac), Wednesday, 27 February 2013 12:06 (1 year ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this was good advice imo

^^^

deems what sort of albums are you referring to there

We must face facts. Deems, although we may love him as much as any man this side of idolatry, has little latin and less greek. Takes him down a peg or two.

idk do I like an entire album. I'd struggle to pick five I'd bother to take to a desert island.

the aul fella used to have Latin got him nowhere has Irish got him nowhere had Norwegian got him to Norway didnt bother with Dutch despite living there for years I said I'd stick with French and English they were forcing me to learn those but at least they didn't claim I had a moral duty to love em unlike with the gaeilge

the posh school on the island still did Latin as of 99 which is just lunacy imho

was a time all the posh boyos had latin up the wazoo. what's more, you could kick a ball in the street.

we had a posh school, absolutely no posh boyos tbh

heard youve been downloading some really interesting albums lately deems

denied

huh

maybe it was wins then
all of these single syllable ilx posters

def heard wins was super into feeder and 'the chillis' right now

i have heard albums by those bands

that might be it?

it was some time ago tho

The Chillis

Jens Ehm - Gitarren, Leadstimme –

Jens ist neben dem Bassisten Mülli eines der zwei Urgesteine der CHILLIS. Bereits 1985 gründeten Sie zusammen Ihre erste Band. Im Laufe der Jahre entwickelte sich ein eigener Stil, geprägt durch die klare und ausdrucksvolle Stimme des Leadsängers und seine Leidenschaft zum akustischen Gitarrenspiel. Spätestens als er dann die Elektrogitarre sein Eigen nannte, war der typische Chilli-Mix vom Akustik Pop bis hin zu Soul, Funk, Reggae & Rock geboren !
Seine meist weiblichen Fans verlangen stets nach dem eigens komponierten „Schmuse-Hit“ Sunhine und können gar nicht genug davon bekommen.en…

Michael „Mülli“ Müller - Bass, Gesang, Stage-Announcements, Keyboard –

Hallo und willkommen zum BÄSSten Teil dieser Homepage! Wie schon erwähnt ist Mülli eines der zwei Urgesteine von THE CHILLIS. Seine prägnante Zweitstimme harmoniert durch das jahrelange gemeinsame Zusammenspiel so perfekt mit der Leadstimme von Jens, dass sie für alle Zeiten, als nie mehr ersetzbar scheint. Darüber hinaus verleiht Mülli, den im Programm anstehenden Songs, immer wieder ihre Eigennote, durch spezielle und überraschende Announcements -sprich Ansagen- , die beim Zuhörer Verwirrung bis hin zu schweren Erheiterungszuständen auslösen. Außerdem drückt er ab und an die weißen und schwarzen Tasten, so dass es sich möglichst groovisch, jazzig, oder irgendwie abgefahren zum musikalischen Spiel seiner Kollegen
hinzufügt.

for more: http://m-mueller.biz

Uli Maier -Gitarren, Chorgesänge-

Uli ist, wie sein Nachname erkennen lässt, verwandschaftlich mit dem Schlagzeugmann Micha Maier verbunden. Ja ja ja, der Bruder ! Im zarten Jugendalter erwarb der junge Ulrich eine Gibson ES 335, welche bis heute und darüber hinaus, immer wieder diverse Nebenbuhler zur Seite gestellt bekommt - meist in Form eines *Paddels - in den Farben "Blond" und "abgerockter Sonnenuntergang" (Info: *Telecaster - für die Nichtmusiker unter der werten Leserschaft). All diese Schätzchen inklusive dem filigranen Gitarrenspiel Ulrichs’ entzücken auch, in letzter Zeit verstärkt, immer wieder den weiblichen Teil der Zuhörerschar.

Micha „Der Kapitän“ Maier -Schlagwerk, Chorgesänge-

Micha der Kapitän an der schweren Batterie lenkt alle seine Mitstreiter sicher und zielgesteuert durch alle Untiefen der musikalischen Darbietungswelt. Dies tut er schon fast sein ganzes Leben lang und nebenbei ist er wie bereits erwähnt auch der Bruder von Gitarrenmann Uli. Bevorzugte Musikstile sind alle bei denen es groovt, swingt, dingelt, shakert, etc.
Nicht mehr wegzudenken - Chillis Betriebsrente guaranteed !

Der Kapitän war schon in den verschiedensten bekannten Bands wie z.B. Spider Murphy Gang (All-Star-Band),

Infrarot (early 80's), Flex Machine,

KEINE AHNUNG, Müller, Maier, Schmitt zu Gange.

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Von „O“ wie Oldies & Ohrwurm über aktuelle Chart-Hits, bis hin zu
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Hier ein kleiner Auszug des Repertoires:

70ies

CCR, Bill Withers, Rolling Stones, Eagles,
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80ies

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And many more………

Everything from CCR, Bill Withers, Rolling Stones, Eagles,
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fuck me he's starting doing it on my own bloody thread now

Oasis, Sasha

Alles Gute (1990) ('The Best Of Spliff').Packaged in a tin,this CD has a heat sensitive hidden track,'Zeite Uber Zeite' only available after boiling water has been poured over the CD prior to play.This extra track will not play if the CD is cold,or at room temperature.[citation needed]

lol

http://i.imgur.com/UZ6Qzgx.jpg

idk they're v sjc nest pas

Treezy, whiskey, y/n and which

― al leong the watchtower (darraghmac), Wednesday, May 8, 2013 6:03 AM (1 year ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

want to return to this question. didn't have an answer back then but have recently discovered bourbon and it's been a revelation. favorite so far is maker's but i suspect that's a novice answer.

if you let that worry you at the start you'll never graduate from novice ime.

I f/w sweeter pot stills and single malts, I can recommend peatier stuff I've tried but that's nakh's range tbh. never could stick yr American ryes or w/e but I have enjoyed bourbons, fave is prob- no snob nor expert here- jack daniels single barrel.

go-to and memorables- glenfiddich 12, Yamazaki 12, green spot, redbreast single pot, bushmills 16, glenmorangie 10 (I think) Glenlivet 12

tonight I'm drinking tesco finest reserve from a fuckin big glass and there's nothing at all wrong with it

favourite...for example of Irish prob redbreast. scotch Glenfiddich 12. no categories straight up pick one, tonight yamazaki

i always thought it was strange that, given my family's irish heritage, we have gravitated more toward scotch than irish whiskey. i can't ever remember my grandfather drinking jameson's or bushmill's. scotch seems harsher and less accessible to me than bourbon, but i think i will give it a shot again soon.

i feel a pleasant buzz right now from two glasses of bourbon while doing my reading for class tomorrow. only downside is that i've been kind of unrestrained in my facebook messaging but i think this has been positive and ultimately what i am doing is solidifying friendships.

idk bout that but drunk posting to ilx made me the man I am today

how do you rate the band 'biffy clyro'

never knowingly heard m8

thats a shame

noticed u did a sort of fake erse version of the displayname of the poster formerly known as 'ice cr?m' today

how would u do the same thing for noted irish american treesh?

hmmm

could go literal or alliteral

trísiop would suffice for latter but would mean v little I'm afraid

crannlong is basic string two together translation but rly I'm guessing you'd have to make it longcrainn or maybe crann an loinge or some such

there is a word or two a little more decorative that may or may not apply depending on the lad himselfs self-definition of the name I spose crannúil is a good descriptor and a good word to intone and would translate as treeish if one were so inclined or w/e (arboreal? you prob know)

there's doubtless words specifically for timbers and such if one chased this root to a nautical conclusion but then I guess in order to so work it would need to function on the ship and work back giving....idk.

quick search sez crannàil are masts he may have to be satisfied with that as a good metaphor and half translation.

no i mean a purely phonetic version of 'treesh'

a phrase that if spoken by an erse speaker would have the same pronunciation as 'treesh' does to an english speaker

trísiop is cool though, what would it be without the second syllable

ya just drop the iop and trís would do it so

trís

thats cool

fuck you, you got in 35 seconds ahead of me!!!

nách tí bhean? almost translates to "is there a woman of the house?" which is a good portentous type of intro to something i think, i mean it's def a bit garbled and simplified but imagine brendan fraser playing connemara man (encino man in the US rly?) and it prob works

have u read heinrich bolls ireland book

nope but obv i will have known the cottage, my paternal aunt is heavily involved iirc

she's one of my favourite ppl she is a lecturer in feminist theology and christian ritual we have marvellous fights

^lol

feminist theology and christian ritual

and i mean among other interests

so much dogshit at the confluence of the academic left and xtianity

it's where indulgences intertwine nest pas tho

deems la i got that heinrich boll ireland book

seems a bit luftmenschy

i expect i will like it but im not sure he ever saw the harsher side of ireland rather than the bucolic realness

when did an artist bychoice plunged into misery ever affect elsewise tho.

other ppls misery obv

theres another literary tradition of viewing the countryside as a sort of abbatoir en plein air

deems could you summarize the history of your appreciation of the wu tang clan

i downloaded an album by that and several other bands when i changed phones (ie recently) and have found the album to my tastes

just assumed rza had been on soccer am due to alimony troubles

why u gotta be like that tho

hi everyone btw

I like this guy and will be sad when his internet gets disconnected and he'll have to work 18 hours a day

this has basically come true fwiw.

― Achillean Heel (darraghmac), Thursday, 3 March 2011 18:55 (3 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this has come v much untrue btw

deems what do u think of this track

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghMOacGV1gQ

take out the distortions and it'd be strictly ok I guess

the other week i was thinking while intoxicated that it is almost a template for that very early oasis sound, give or take a little less monody and distortion and a bit more t rex beatles football chants etc etc

its a bit that ok, but I'd go status quo/trex/slade first before assuming noely g was spreading wings any wider

yes i wasnt suggesting he was copying spacemen 3, although its not too unlikely thar he heard them

he probably he did borrow something from ride, chapterhouse etc who were following in their slipstream

youd possibly like the first two albums by ride actually, assuming you dont already know them or think they are shit

I will check em out &thks

I dont v often think "thats shit" but I do tend towards "I dont rly need to hear anything right now" and then its even more seldom I need that anything to be new iykwim

any truth to the rumours you have recently been promoted deems

its happening in instalments is the thing

http://i.imgur.com/b0JDWWW.jpg

nakh fyi my uncle is currently resident in Heinrich boll cottage so there u go

Nice

quite
what qualifies him for that honour
ive still not read more than a chapter of that book

idk there's a selection committee he's a returned emigrant who's settled in Kerry and writes poems and has gotten a bit of notice so I guess that and being from down the road got him this years gig

I know nothing of boll and only a little of Camille souter or paul henry truly I eschew the arts as packaged to us simple islanders

idk who either of those are

I feel better so

paul henry could be the name of a water engineer from westport

he'd be from the Newport side tbh in fact to my experience he'd be from polranny lynchehaun (not polranny sweeney)

any truth to the rumours you have recently been promoted deems

― Hayat Boumkattienne (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 20 January 2015 20:16 (1 month ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

its happening in instalments is the thing

― local eire man (darraghmac), Tuesday, 20 January 2015 20:25 (1 month ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

for instance the pay just landed (backdated obv, nice)

thank you darraghmac for welcoming drunkposting insufferable me to ilx

was a fan even as a lurker, yet your kindness surprised me; goodhearted ye are

tbh sometimes don’t understand your posts (I’d need like Ulysses Annotated) but always esteem them anyway

deems's posts can be dense sure, although there have been disagreements as to which sense of that word applies

Darragh I'm reading the coldest eye, have you read it and if not can you read it and comment on the accuracy of every declaration made about "The Irish"

Oops, a colder eye I mean
/tipsy

hi drash, I'm as cuddly and soft as it gets. I dont know where I get a rep otherwise tbh. also the hard to understand thing baffles me but maybe its the accent. idk. hi anyway.

wins ive read v little apart from mediocre to good teen fantasy the past few years due to college pressures and a frankly appalling attn span but if you recommend a synopsis or offer what you feel to be a representative quote I'll happily critique the entire work

New q can you recommend some teen fantasy

like, ive been called obtuse a good bit this past year, which is a projected judgement of my motive/position in arguments and usually quite incorrect imo but normally its wins or nakh so its ok, sometimes by eg stevie or xelab posters I like but I tend to annoy and thats ok and sometimes its by genuine honest to god idiots,confused by toasters morons, in which case eh you can only shrug I spose

but to be called obtuse by afl posters is a bit lol tho im a fan of all there obv

xp I cannot, my tastes have been comfort reading of the lowest sort and my recommendations would invariably appall.

I'd recommend stuff to raggett maybe, we've liked same stuff before. I might expand now that my evenings are free but it might be mainly about pensions from now on have u read any good pensions stuff

ACE is a v amusing account of "the modern Irish writers" by the American Hugh Kenner, here is an early tidbit:

The Irish story is more complicated. Plenty of the reading matter and acting matter they produce seems intended for natives alone, but Irish writers have always been naggingly aware that Irishmen do not as a rule buy books, have never bought them, have even inherited a tradition whereby to write when you might be talking is an unnatural act. Books in England are sacred objects, exempt from the 10-percent Value Added Tax: not (until 1 April 1982) in Ireland.

I feel u re extracurricular reading tbh

I'd be happy enough to endorse the thrust of that excerpt every pub has a genius gabber seems a bit rich to scribble it down and sell it to the Brits as work

The opening goes on about the "Irish Fact" and holds up Brian o'nolan as the foremost exponent

It's really lively, I'm only 70 pages in but may post more later if I can be bothered to tap out passages

nakh started a poll before listing derogations (mainly) from Richard Burton about the irish consider that imo

Derogations not my aim! Author is m/l a hibernophile but obv makes a lot of sweeping statements about the place, thought it might be interesting or funny to cross-check w experience

to be called obtuse by afl posters is a bit lol tho im a fan of all there obv

― post you had fecund thoughts about (darraghmac), Sunday, 15 March 2015 15:50 (48 minutes ago)

somewhat obtuse of you to confuse that term with obscure, your timeworn criticism of the minority interest subforum ilafl

I stand by it yr projecting intention again

XP I know derogation wasn't the aim but aimed accurately (and from Burton and indeed nakh idk can you not take causticity as seriously as from other less interesting sources) and allied with obvious kinship its often as illuminating and intimate as any praise/comment

less srsly I mean

Little Saint Hugh of Lincoln (nakhchivan) wrote this on thread GET INVOLVED - will Liverpool win the Premiership 2013/14? on board I Love Everything on Apr 12, 2014

idkw deems means either when he tries for gnomic and ends up somewhere on the verges of inarticulate

― hot takes: audit in progress (DJ Mencap), Wednesday, 14 January 2015 16:35 (2 months ago)

this is my criticism more than obtuseness as such, you are far less of a rube than most despite the culchie posturing

consider your last tilting against landfills episode in the c_____n thread -- you suggest that both you and your interlocutors /really/ know what you are talking about, when it isn't clear that you do, and even if you did then they probably woudn't

that was amazing work by mencap incidentally

Agree that garden variety incoherence is the main problem with darraghmac's tedious mra vaguebooking, not to pile on or anything

lol at landfills

I fear I'm exactly the rube suggested but in knowing it may have a possible advantage at times. I'm a culchie before all else, without any element of expertise beyond purely functional education in the liberal or classical or what have you spheres highly valued on ilx. seeing as imo there's no accounting for different experiences/education/knowledge otherwise attained so better not to assume it imo.

wider point than discussing just myself obv there's ppl with degrees and private schooling and experience on things I like to discuss and as soon as I disagree with them they're wrong.

MRA, like I reject this utterly obv but fair enough shorthand distaste but its actually one of the things that irks. discussion on ilx on such issues is p much 100% a race to label ppl as in the tent or not, and the results are eh imo they're shit but I'm not getting an online degree on bell hooks to get in the tent to say so.

XP just to be clear u and nakh making oft repeatdd and often valid criticisms are not a pile on, a pile on is digs from ppl I dont like.

tho admittedly as an appreciation thread ye could do with keeping some sort of fair ratio in mind but I'm not a high maintenance kind of guy or anything

Well you have like 20 degrees and I have none and we're agreed you are a good poster and person I just don't relish the next 6000 variations on "____ shaming itt tsk tsk nagl safe space safe space twitter ____shaming *mutters unintelligibly"

Added mra unfairly just to put something before vaguebooking

Xps!

the 2nd ____shaming there shd be ____splaining TO BE FAIR

its a reaction to an otherwise total lack of ilx content, and thats read as reactionary, like tbh I meet an ilxor this stuff never comes up as ive zero interest in most of it and tbftm would readily acknowledge ive zero at stake. ive several wonderful liberal friends etc etc and am kind to the elderly, animals and children irl.

like matt DC landed a srs zing there lately by referencing my lack of content in the clarkson thread and I thought dear god the poor fella thinks that this hollow porridge-consistency triumphalism over a cunt like clarkson transitioning from adored BBC presenter to adored sky presenter is *ilx-level content* and I'm spoiling it and yknow I was shook and sad and sorry for all involved inc me

this is boring I'm a boring subject. how's the liver wins, how's the mystery and wine nakh.

i heard a good story about race in america firsthand where should I post it

DM, I was just in a pub (in London, natch) watching the Celtic v Dundee Utd, Scottish League Cup Final. The loudest, most fanatical, most irrational Celtic fan there was an Irishman. A Dundee Utd player, Sean Dillon, was sent off at which point the Irishman sprang up and exclaimed, "Fuck off Dillon, fuck off back to Dublin, you dorty Jackeen bastard!" and let loose a series of imprecations based on Dillon's apparent provenance as a Dubliner.... then spent the rest of the game apologizing to the couple sitting behind him, who were from Dublin. Anyway, this was the first time I'd ever heard this word, Jackeen. Worth mentioning that one of the co-owners of this extremely dodgy pub is an extremely dodgy Dubliner, whose frankly psychotic brother often works behind the bar but, thankfully for the Irishman, not this afternoon. Also that the Irishman heaped abuse on Dundee Utd, abuse based on their fairly obscure nickname of the Arabs as if they actually were Arabs.

I fear I'm exactly the rube suggested but in knowing it may have a possible advantage at times. I'm a culchie before all else, without any element of expertise beyond purely functional education in the liberal or classical or what have you spheres highly valued on ilx. seeing as imo there's no accounting for different experiences/education/knowledge otherwise attained so better not to assume it imo.

― post you had fecund thoughts about (darraghmac), Sunday, 15 March 2015 17:16 (12 minutes ago)

this is just you being at the wrong end of two confidence tricks, the american liberal arts education that gives its professional classes a patina of familiarity with great works and their discontents, and the english private school thing, which is less about learning than inculcating separateness and social grace

so you imagine the posters you dislike from both of those two demographics to have an advantage over you, and it is your suspicion rather than anything concrete that does the trick, and in doing so you fall into self-pity rather than fighting with your wits

nevermind that a postgraduate computer science degree is risibly demeaned as a 'functional education', there is nothing other than functional education, thankfully yours allows you to become a civil servant rather to add filigree to whatever phatic opinions about this or that you are enjoined to express this week

tom I will allow kinship to this type of guy but only on the internet yknow I dont shout in pubs at ppl. jackeen is a term for the dubs alright idk the provenance but its a bit like ned round yr way I guess

xp there's a bit in that nakh, but I'm not saying I rate that type of education in any way tho, or maybe that I dont rate it as used on ILX by some ppl at least. a tool used badly by others in this context, but not a tool I have to use at all.

I’m as cuddly and soft as it gets. I dont know where I get a rep otherwise tbh

you are! :) it’s not that i didn’t expect you to be kind; but you’re especially kind & i was grateful for that. (also nakh and mordy were kind, when i made my first drunk political posts on ilx, and next day feared i’d made a horrible faux pas.)

also the hard to understand thing baffles me but maybe its the accent

twas not meant as criticism. mostly just mean i’m a clueless yank and follow yall’s conversation over yonder which is often obscure to me but v interesting (though sportstalk is totally impenetrable). so yes, it’s the accent.

you do make gnomic utterances but i like them (and when i get them, find more often as not they hit target)

you strike me as extremely intelligent & astute yet often self-deprecatingly dissimulate this— charming & good a posting style as any (better than many); but admittedly sometimes i’d like to hear more of your thoughts
(again not a criticism but a compliment)

seconding nakh, some of the dummest people i’ve ever met were overeducated in (what passes for) liberal arts these days (include myself in this class of the badly educated)

anyway, hi back from the other side of the atlantic

nice one. wins, yr out. drash is in. nakh I want to see some of this from you or lj gets a run in the team.

nakh's last post to you was the beautiful gracegiving hand of intelligent empathy tbrh

ha dont worry about me and nakh

wins yr in lj is out obv

obviously i am a fan of yours and your wit's; i abhor the very thought that some might attempt to speak down to you and thankfully fail. obv obv we all still have to listen to each other a bit more above the din of our own online presences and by god the blood gets up now and again but if people are interpreting you as a malign force then they are absolutely projecting

my only beef w/ you is that i have not seen video evidence of your toi-disant football prowess yet

what dyou want, fps perspective

a game lad on the side with a phone camera maybe

while we're all here can we discuss the following

Ireland: Best Cricket Nation In Europe

tis only hurling with shit marking

gaa sports are only good for Australian rules footy teams to poach the best and brightest mind you

lol ye still haven't figured it out huh

its the new penal route ye fools

"ye have committed felonies that are shocking to decent men and thus you will be deported with steady employment on a rookie contract of at least €50,000"

i hope deems is paying you guys the standard £45 an hour.

its being floated at the moment but you can't get anything by finance until we see what the fuckin Greeks do next

if drash digs the nomadic dilettantism + obscurantism of nakh + deems i highly recommend checking out ilx's most celebrated + decorated forum: ilafl

it's exoteric!

sometimes esoterica too

fyi i was shooting for gnomic dilettantism up there but couldn't quite get the word out and settled for something homophonesque

ilafl is ilx's deterritorialised space, and nakh & sarah our war machine, maybe

ilafl is the partisan resistance forum to ilx's hegemonic fasco-progressivism

i’m in, comrades

scarcely begun to tap the mysteries of ILAFL; may I prove worthy of initiation

ILAFL is old school 1p3 without the decorum and wit and good natured fun and social consciences

AEdit

AFL
Australian Football League. This acronym is used colloquially as an alternative name for the sport when distinguishing it from other football codes, particularly in Queensland and New South Wales.
All-Australian
a player who has been chosen in the best team of the AFL competition each year, the All-Australian Team; or, prior to the nationalisation of the competition or in lower age groups where the game is not nationalised, the best composite team from all states based on performances at an interstate carnival.[2]
Angle
the geometric angle formed by an imaginary line between a player taking a set shot and the centre of the goals (on the goal line), and another imaginary line perpendicular to the goal line. So, a player with "no angle" is taking a kick from directly in front; a player on a "wide angle" is taking a shot from near a boundary line.
Arena
the playing surface.[3]
Assist
to kick or handpass to a player who then scores either a goal (for a goal assist) or a behind (for a score assist). The term is common across many world sports.
Australian Football
name officially used by the AFL for the sport.
BEdit

Bag
colloquialism for a large number of goals scored by one player.[4]
Ball!
usually yelled by spectators when an opposition player is tackled in possession of the ball. Short for "holding the ball".[3]
Ball burster
colloquialism for a massive kick, usually a torpedo punt which travels over 70 metres.[5]
Ball-up
the act of a field umpire putting the ball back into play, either by throwing it vertically upwards into the air, or by bouncing the ball in such a way that it mimics the throwing action. See bounce-down. A ball-up is required at the start of each quarter, after a goal is scored or to restart the game from neutral situations in the field of play.[3][6]
Banana
a kick which causes the ball to swing in the air in the opposite direction to the usual. See checkside.[7]
Barrel
a "torpedo punt" kick. See also screwie.[8]
Baulk
a manoeuvre where a player holds the ball out to the side in one hand, then runs in the other direction to evade a defender.[9]
Behind
a score worth one point, earned by putting the ball between a goal post and a behind post, or by the ball hitting a goal post, or by the ball being touched prior to passing between the goalposts.[3]
Behind posts
two shorter vertical posts 19.2m apart on the goal line at each end of the ground, centred about the taller goal posts.
Bench
the interchange area. The "bench" refers to the seat used by the players in this area.[10]
Best on ground
player judged the best player taking part in any game. Sometimes also referred to as BOG, pronounced "bee-oh-gee".[11]
Bounce-down
(or simply bounce) the act of a field umpire putting the ball back into play by bouncing the ball in such a way that it mimics a vertical throw. See ball-up.[12]
Boundary line
the line drawn on the ground to delimit the field of play.[3]
Boundary throw-in
(or simply Throw-in) the act of throwing the ball back into play by the boundary umpire. The boundary umpire stands with his back to the arena and throws the ball backwards over his head. This is used to restart play from neutral situations whenever the ball goes out of bounds.
Boundary umpire
an official who patrols the boundary line, indicating when it has fully crossed the line, and who then executes a boundary throw-in to return the ball to play. There are typically two of these umpires per game, one on each side of the oval, but there will be four in top grade games.[3]
Break
short for "break in play"; e.g. quarter-time, half-time, or three-quarter-time.[13]
Brownlow
the Brownlow Medal is awarded the week of the Grand Final to the player judged to be the best and fairest player in the league for the season, based on accumulated votes awarded by the field umpires at the conclusion of each match during the season.
Bump
a contact between players using the hip and/or shoulder. See hip-and-shoulder.
CEdit

Centimetre perfect
a phrase commonly used by commentator Dennis Cometti to refer to a kick that could not have been placed any better.
Central umpire
an official who patrols the field of play, awarding free kicks, indicating time-on and time-off, and restarting the game after stoppages, goals etc.
Centre
the middle of the ground, also the name given to a player who starts the game in that position.
Centre bounce
the bounce of the ball in the centre of the ground to start a quarter, or after a goal.[6]
Centre square
a fifty metre square drawn around the centre of the ground. Only four players from each team may stand inside the centre square prior to a centre bounce, but the square otherwise has no significance.[3]
Charlie
colloquialism for the Brownlow Medal.
Checkside
a kick which causes the ball to swing in the air in the opposite direction to the usual. See banana.
Chicken wing tackle
a tackle that locks in an opponent's arm so that he cannot legally dispose of the ball. This term originated in Rugby League.
Clanger
a blatant, unforced error. Most typically, this will be either conceding a free kick, or kicking or handpassing the ball directly to an opponent.
Clearance
the clearing of the ball out of a stoppage situation, to the advantage of one team or the other.
Cluster
a type of zone defense consisting of a grid-like arrangement of fifteen or more players, particularly used to oppose a kick-in.[14]
Coach
the manager of the team who controls the team's tactics during a match.[6]
Contest
an in-game scenario where two or more players have an opportunity to win the ball.
Contested possession
a possession achieved as a result of winning a contest.
Corkie
colloquialism for a corked muscle, which is a deep bruise, usually in the leg.[15]
Corridor
the imaginary strip of the ground that runs through the centre from goal to goal; a team who moves the ball in this area is said to "play through the corridor".[14]
Crow Throw
a handball technique which involves using a significantly shorter arm swing from the punching hand. The style was somewhat unique to South Australia in the SANFL, in interstate and State of Origin matches and ultimately the to the Adelaide Crows. As a result, interstate the technique was given the pejorative name crow throw (derived from croweater, a common name for South Australians).
Crumber
a player who waits at the base of a marking pack in order to gather the loose ball if no mark is taken and the ball spills to ground. Similarly, gathering the ball in this manner is described as "getting the crumbs".[16]
DEdit

Daisy cutter
a kick that runs along the ground rather than through the air. See grubber. Also may to refer to a drop punt in which the ball travels through the air, but low to the ground.
Designated kicker
a player who is given the ball by another player who has a set shot for goal, so that the receiving player may have a shot on the run for a long-distance goal or a supergoal. Typically done when the designated kicker is known to have a better likelihood of scoring the goal than the player taking the set shot.
Disposal
indicates that a player disposed of the ball legally by either hand or foot. Synonymous with possession or touch.[6]
Don't argue
colloquial term for a stiff-arm fend.
Dribble goal
a goal kicked using the grubber technique. It is often utilised from the boundary line at a tight angle with players manipulating the bounce of the ball to bend it through the goals.
Drop kick
a kick that is executed in such a way that the foot contacts the ball at the same time as, or immediately after, it has been dropped to the ground on its end. No longer in common use in AFL due to its perceived inaccuracy. See stab pass.
Drop punt
a kick that is executed by contacting the ball on its end, so that it rotates around its mid-point end over end. Usually considered the most accurate of kicks, and is by far the most commonly used kicking style in Australian rules football.
Dropping the ball
see holding the ball.
EEdit

Emergency umpire
a qualified field umpire who sits on the interchange bench during a game. He can pay free kicks only for interchange infringements and may report players, and can replace an injured or fatigued umpire.
FEdit

Fat side
an imaginary area of the ground that indicates the greatest space occupied by the least number of players. See thin side.
Field umpire
see central umpire.
Fifty
short for "fifty-metre penalty".
Fifty metre line
an arc drawn at each end of the ground indicating that the distance from the goal line is fifty metres.
Fifty metre penalty
extra 50m of field position awarded to a player following a mark or free kick when an opposition player infringes after the mark/free kick is paid.
Final siren
the siren that sounds to signal the end of the game.
Finals
the post-season series of games that decide the premiership.
Flag, the
common expression for the Premiership, based upon the practice of awarding a flag for winning the premiership (analogous to the pennant in American sports).
Flags
white flag waved by a goal umpire to signal a goal or behind.[3]
Flank
an indicative area of the ground that lies between the wing and pocket on both sides of the centre. Also referred to as "half-forward flank" and "half-back flank".
Flick pass
the variant of a handball in which the ball is propelled with a flick of an open hand, rather than a clenched fist. Flick passes were formerly legal, but are now considered a type of throw.[17]
Flight
the way a ball travels through the air.
Flood
the act of getting as many players as possible between the ball carrier and the goal a team is defending.[14]
Followers
an old term referring to on-the-ball players, so named because they were the only players who followed the ball wherever it went. Specifically, the ruck, ruck rover and rover were considered followers. The term is less applicable in the modern game, where many more players will tend to move around the ground.
Four points, to get the
common parlance for winning a game. The "four points" refers to the number of premiership points awarded for a win in an AFL game and in many other leagues. "To get the two points" would be the South Australian equivalent.
Free kick
a possession of the ball given to a player as a result of an infringement by an opposition player. These are only awarded by the central umpire.
Full-back
the area of the ground directly in front of the opposition's goals. Also the name given to the player placed in that position. Usually opposed by the full-forward.
Full-forward
the area of the ground directly in front of a team's goals. Also the name given to the player placed in that position. Usually opposed by the full-back.
Full-time
the end of the game. See final siren.
GEdit

Goal
a maximum score (equivalent to 6 points) achieved by kicking the ball between the two goal-posts without it touching either post or any other player.[3]
Goal line
a section of the boundary line that runs from one behind post to the other, at each end. All four posts (two goal posts and two behind posts) are set directly on this line.[3]
Goal posts
two tall posts at each end of the ground indicating the major scoring zone, positioned 6.4m apart.[3]
Goal square
the 6.4×9m rectangle drawn on the ground directly in front of each goal.[3]
Goal umpire
an official who adjudicates the score, signals the score (out-of-bounds, point, or goal), waves flags to indicate the score to the crowd, and serves as official scorekeeper. There are two of these umpires per game, one at each end.[3]
Gorilla
colloquially, a large, strong defender who plays body-on-body defence against the strongest forwards.
Grubber
a kick that runs along the ground rather than though the air. See daisy cutter.
Guernsey
the jersey worn by players.
Guts, the
colloquial term for the corridor.
HEdit

Half-back
the area of the ground lying halfway between the centre and full-back. Also the name given to the player placed in that position. Usually opposed by the half-forward.
Half-forward
the area of the ground lying halfway between the centre and full-forward. Also the name given to the player placed in that position. Usually opposed by the half-back.
Half-time
the long break between the second and third quarters.[13]
Hammy
a severe hamstring injury (as in "pulled a hammy"). Also hammie.
Handball
(or handpass) a legal disposal of the ball, executed by holding the ball on the flat palm of one hand and hitting it with the other clenched fist.[3]
Handy point
colloquial term for a behind scored near the end of a close game which extends to one more than a multiple of six (i.e. from six points to seven points, from twelve points to thirteen points, or from eighteen points to nineteen points); so called because it means the opposition needs an extra scoring shot to tie or win the game.
Hanger
see specky.
Hard ball get
see contested possession.
High tackle
a tackle that results in contact to the opposition play over the top of his shoulders or to the neck or head. This will result in a free kick.
Hip-and-shoulder
See bump
Hitout
(or tapout, tap or knock-out) a tap by a ruckman to a team's advantage.
Holding the ball
a free kick awarded to a defensive player who tackles an opponent and prevents him from legally disposing of the football.
Hospital Kick
a very high kick to a teammate, allowing opposition players to run in and crash into the person attempting to mark the kick. Can also be a hospital pass.
Hot Spot
the point at the top of the goal square where the contest for the ball is fierce.
Huddle
the grouping of players on the ground at quarter-time and three-quarter-time breaks,[18] and a tactic used at kick-ins after a behind where players group together at center-half-back before breaking to the flanks.[19]
IEdit

In-and-under player
(or inside midfielder) a player who tries to win hard ball gets by forcing the ball out of packs.
Inside-50
the act of running or passing the ball inside the 50m arc. A statistic that is used to evaluate the effectiveness of midfield players who may not score many goals themselves, but set them up for teammates.[20]
Interchange
the designated area of the ground where players wait to be allowed onto the field after another player has left, i.e. one player is interchanged for another.[3]
Interchange gate
a 20m zone marked on the boundary line through which players being interchanged must run.
JEdit

Jumper punch
where a player takes hold of an opponent's jersey and then pushes in a punching motion.[21]
KEdit

Key position
the centre half-forward and the centre half-back are collectively known as the key positions, and are considered the most difficult roles to play.
Kick
a legal disposal of the ball by foot.[3]
Kick-in
(or sometimes kick-out) the return of the ball back into play after a behind has been scored.[14]
Kick-off line
the line on the goal square which is parallel to the goal line.
King hit
an illegal physical attack on a player behind play, generally to the head which leaves the victim in a dazed or unconscious state.

LEdit

Ladder
the position of teams on the Premiership list, determined by their win-loss ratio and percentage.
Lead
for a forward to run into space and away from his direct opponent, hoping to attract a pass from his teammate.
Legging
see low tackle.
Loose ball get
see uncontested possession
Loose man in defence
a player who typically spends an entire game without a direct opponent, who assists other defenders in the team when necessary, and is often heavily involved in rebounding.
Low tackle
a tackle resulting in contact made to a player below his knees. Results in a free kick against the tackling player. This is more commonly referred to by the colloquial term of legging the opponent.
MEdit

Major
a goal.[13]
Man-on-man
the "traditional" defensive style of a defender playing close to an opposition forward. See zone-off.
Man on the mark
the defensive player who stands where his opponent took a mark or received a free kick. The man on the mark holds his arms in the air, in an attempt to block his opponent's kick, or at least force him to take the kick from several metres further back to prevent it from being blocked.
Mark
a clean catch of the ball after it has been kicked by another player (either by a teammate or by the opposition), before it has touched the ground, or been touched by any other player, and after it has travelled a minimum of 15 metres. The term also refers to the spot on the ground where the mark or free kick took place.[3]
Melee
an unacceptable gathering of players involved in deliberate physical contact. Can lead to suspensions and fines.
Midfield
an indicative area of the ground that covers half-forward to half-back down the centre, and out to the wings and flanks.[16]
Midfielder
a player who roams and plays within the midfield.
"Mine!"
a call by the field umpire when the football is caught in a contest and in the opinion of the umpire the ball can not escape the contest. The umpire will then perform a ball-up to recommence play.
NEdit

"Not 15!"
a call by the field umpire when the football has been kicked less than 15 metres, indicating that a mark will not be awarded from that kick.
OEdit

Off the ball
an incident that occurred away from the main contest. Note that off the ball is not the direct opposite of on the ball.
On the ball
a player who is not in any set position but who follows the ball all over the ground; also known as a follower or onballer, and not the direct opposite of off the ball.
One-percenter
a defensive act such as a block, bump, shepherd, smother or chase; "one-percenters" very rarely show up in any typical statistical analysis of a game, but are generally highly-valued by coaches, supporters and spectators alike.
Out on the full
a kick that travels across the boundary line without first being touched by a player or hitting the ground. This will result in a free kick to the opposition team, taken by the player closest to the point at which the ball crossed the boundary line.[3]
Outside midfielder
a midfielder who receives most of his possessions in an uncontested manner, and often gets to position to receive handpasses from inside midfielders.
Oval
the ground on which an Australian Rules Football game is played. Derived from the common shape of the ground.
Over the mark
a player from either team who crosses from his side of the mark when there is a free kick being taken is said to have gone over the mark. If the attacking player does this, he is called to play on; if the defending player does this, he is penalised with a fifty metre penalty.
PEdit

Pack
a mass of players from both sides all attempting to get the ball at the same time. Can be used for players flying for a mark or scrambling for the ball at ground level.
Pagan's Paddock
a tactic which involves clearing all attacking players from the attacking 50 metres and kicking the ball into the resulting open space. This gives key forwards room to run into, often running with the flight of the ball toward goal. Was employed by Dennis Pagan in order to fully utilise key forward Wayne Carey in the 1990s.
Pass
a kick that ends with the ball in the possession of a teammate.[13]
Percentage
an indication of the ratio of points scored for versus points scored against. The AFL uses the formula (points for / points against) × 100, meaning that percentages may exceed 100%; the SANFL uses the formula (points for / points for and against) × 100. It is used as a tiebreaker for ladder positions if teams are on equal premiership points.
Pill
colloquialism for the ball.[22][23]
Playmaker
a player who directs a team play by action or deed during a game.
"Play on!"
the call made by an umpire whenever a player who is taking a mark or a free kick runs or handpasses rather than kicking over the mark; or, the call made by an umpire to alert players that a mark or free kick will not be paid, when they may be expecting that one would be paid.[24]
Possession
the act of obtaining the ball. Also used synonymously with disposal and touch. Often quoted as a total for a player or team, it is the sum of the number of handballs and kicks that the player or team had during the game.[25]
Pocket
an indicative part of the ground, equivalent to the area proscribed by an imaginary arc running from the goal post to a point on the boundary line halfway to the fifty-metre arc. There are two pockets at each end of the ground, referred to as the left and right, forward and back pockets, e.g. left-forward pocket.
Point
the basic scoring unit. Used for both the total score (10 goals, 8 behinds, 68 points) and can be used interchangeably with behind ("His shot for goal missed and was only a point").[3]
Poster
common expression for a kicked ball which hits a goal post, resulting in a behind being scored rather than a goal.
Premiership
awarded to the winner of the Grand Final. See the flag.
Premiership quarter
A colloquialism for the third quarter of a match.
Premiership Window
The range of years that a team has a likely and realistic chance of winning the premiership.
Prior opportunity
(sometimes shortened to prior) a player who has had the ball for long enough to make a reasonable attempt to dispose of it before being tackled is said to have had prior opportunity. This is important for holding the ball decisions, where a player who has had prior opportunity must dispose of the ball immediately, while a player who has had "no prior" has a few extra seconds to dispose of the ball.
Protected zone
an imaginary corridor 5 metres to either side of a player who is taking a free kick, into which no players from either team are permitted to be.
QEdit

Quarter
a period of play. Each game is divided into four quarters of equal length. Quarters in the AFL and other senior last 20 minutes plus time-on.
Quarter-time
the gap between the first and second quarters.
REdit

Rainmaker
a ball that is kicked very high up but not very far
Raking
a kicking style that results in long kicks.[26]
Rebound
the act of moving the ball forward after winning it as the result of a turnover in the defensive end of the ground.
Red time
the final few minutes of playing time in any quarter.
Reported
the state of a player after an umpire has written their name into a notebook, during play, for an act that may result in the player being suspended.
Rocket Handball
a handball technique which causes the ball spins backwards in the air in the same fashion as a drop punt. It was pioneered by Kevin Sheedy and is now the most common handball technique in modern football. It is considered the most effective style of handball in terms of distance and accuracy, although it can take longer to execute than other styles.
Rookie
a player who is on an AFL club's playing list, but who cannot play senior games unless replacing a long-term injured or retired player.
Roost
a long kick.[27]
Rotation
a planned interchange designed to minimise fatigue of midfielders.
Rover
a small inside midfielder. Historically one of three distinct followers, but the term is now rarely used.[28]
Rubbed out
colloquialism for being suspended.
Ruck
(or ruckman) a tall player who contests the ball-up or throw-in.
Ruck rover
a midfielder halfway between a ruck and a rover. Historically one of the three distinct followers, but now rarely used.
Run through the mark
(or run across the mark), when a player runs between the man on the mark and the player who is taking a free kick. If a defending player does this, and he is not immediately following his direct opponent, a fifty-metre penalty will be awarded.
Runner
a club official whose job is to run onto the ground to give the players messages from the coach during play.
Running bounce
(or simply bounce) the act of a player bouncing the football on the ground and back to himself while running, which must be done once every fifteen metres.
Rushed behind
the concession of a behind for the opposition team. A behind which is deemed to have been deliberately rushed by a player under no pressure is penalised by a free kick, but in all other circumstances it concedes one point.
SEdit

Sausage roll
rhyming slang for "goal" (also called a snag, from the Australian slang term for a sausage).
Screamer
a spectacular high mark, usually in a contested situation. See specky.
Season
a year of a competition.[6]
Selling Candy
a colloquial expression for a baulk.
Set Shot
an attempt to kick a goal from a mark or a free kick. See shot.[13]
Shark
obtaining possession of the ball, often in a difficult position, particularly from the hitout of the opposing ruck.[29]
Shepherd
a block placed on an opposing player. This can be to stop him tackling a teammate in possession of the ball, or attempting to gather it; to stop him intercepting a ball heading for goal; or just to stop him possessing the ball himself.
Shirtfront
an aggressive front-on bump.
Shot
an attempt to kick a goal.
Showdown
a game between Port Adelaide and Adelaide
Siren
a loud sound used to signal the start and end of the game, and the start and end of each quarter.[3]
Sit
the best position from which to take a mark.
Slingshot
also, end to end, a goal where the ball is moved from one end of the field to the other in a short amount of time.
Smother
the act of stopping a kick immediately after it leaves the boot. Generally undertaken with the hands or body.
Snap
a shot at goal, usually executed under pressure from an unlikely scoring position. It is almost invariably a kick across the body (i.e., for a right footer, a kick aimed to far left) and typically exaggerates the natural tendency of the ball to drift slightly right to left from a right footer, and left to right from the left footer. It is in this way the reverse of a "checkside" or "banana".[13]
Soccer
(verb) to kick the ball off the ground, i.e. without first taking the ball in the hands, as is the primary means of disposal in the sport of soccer.
Specky
(or screamer, hanger; also spelt speccie, speckie, etc.) short for "spectacular mark". Generally refers to the act of leaping onto another player's back or shoulders to take a high mark, usually in a contested situation.[30]
Spell, to have a
to be interchanged off the ground.
Spillage
occurs when a ball comes off the top of a pack of players attempting to mark a ball.
Spoil
a punch or slap of the ball which hinders an opposition player from taking a mark.
Stab pass
a kick that travels very low to the ground to a teammate. Until the 1970s this was usually a drop kick.
Stacks on the mill
a stand-alone statement made by commentators to indicate that the ball is covered by a large pack of players on the ground and is unable to move.
Stepladder
colloquially, the player upon whose shoulders another player jumps to take a specky.
Substitute
an interchange player who cannot be freely interchanged, but may be brought onto the ground to replace a player for the rest of a game.
Supergoal
a goal which scores nine points instead of six, earned by kicking a goal from beyond a set distance, usually 50m in AFL pre-season competitions. Seen only in practice and exhibition games.
Suspended
the state of a player who has been refused permission to play by a legislated tribunal. See reported.`[3]
Sweeper
a player who plays loose across the half-back line in order to act as a link between the backline and midfield.[16]
Switch
to move the ball laterally across the ground, hoping to find an easier path to the forward-line.
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Tackle
the grabbing of an opposition player in possession of the ball, in order to impede his progress or to force him to dispose of the ball quickly.[6]
Tagger
a defensive player whose task is to prevent an opposition midfielder from having an impact on the game.
Tap
see hitout.
Tapout
see hitout.
Term
colloquialism for quarter.[13]
Thin side
an imaginary area of the ground that indicates the least space occupied by the greatest number of players. See fat side.
Third man up
(or simply third man) a player other than the nominal ruckman who unexpectedly enters a ruck contest to effect a hitout. Rules prevent third men at the centre bounce, but permit them at all other ball-ups.
Three-quarter-time
the break between the third and fourth quarters.
Throw
an illegal disposal of a ball by hand. Will result in a free kick to the opposition.
Throw-in
see boundary throw-in.
Time-on
time added onto the end of each quarter to compensate for time lost during general play by stoppages. The amount of time to be added on is determined by independent time-keepers who stop the game clock when indicated by the central umpires. Lower grade and lower age-group competitions will often be played without time-on.[3]
Torpedo
(colloq. screwie, torp or barrel) a punt kick that rotates the ball around its long axis, which is aligned with the direction the ball is travelling. Regarded as the type of kick with the longest distance, but the lowest chance of being accurate.[31]
Total Football
a tactic where less emphasis is placed on set positions and structures. Apart from 2 (or 3) key defenders and forwards, all players play 'through the middle'. It was perfected by Mick Malthouse during his later years at Collingwood and thought to have its origins in Association Football's Total Football, a style pioneered by the Dutch national team in the 1970s.[32]
Touch
colloquialism for possession or disposal.
Touched
indicates that a ball was touched by another player after being kicked; such a kick cannot result in a mark, a goal, or an out of bounds on the full free kick.
Trip
a low tackle which will result in a free kick to the opposition. Furthermore, tripping or attempting to trip an opponent with the foot or leg will lead to a player being reported.[3]
Turnover
the loss of possession of the ball to the opposition.
Tunnelling
bumping an airborne player attempting a mark with the intention of unbalancing them.
UEdit

Uncontested possession
a possession achieved without having to engage in a contest.
Utility
a player adept at playing several non-key position roles.
WEdit

Wing
an indicative area of the ground that lies between the forward and back flanks on both sides of the centre. There are only two on the ground.

Wooden spoon
the mock "award" said to be received by the team finished last on the ladder at the end of a season.
Worm Burner
See Daisy Cutter.
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YEdit

ZEdit

Zone
a defensive arrangement of players on a section of the ground, designed to stifle the forward movement of the ball by the opposition.[19] Probably borrowed from basketball.
Zone off
the act of a defender leaving some space between himself and his opponent. This is contrary to the normal defensive style of man-on-man.[10]

genuine fp u were warned son

genuine shrug :-)

loses

ilafl is a library in a dmz

library of bablol

srsly guys back on track

nách tí bhean? almost translates to "is there a woman of the house?"

― local eire man (darraghmac), Thursday, 16 October 2014 01:08 (5 months ago)

lol

ya I thought that was slept on tbh

what does it exactly translate to

ilafl is a fun place

at a lazy guess I spose it translates to "is the house a woman" its not particularly complete as a fragment, I'm not sure "nach" can even be used without a verb to make negative etc etc I'm no scholar of irish

inactive maven

the only instance of that phrase is in the essay about the vlach people of macedonia

These ideal roles plus the physical roles of men and women control their relationship so completely that outside of these roles, "any possibility of a personal relationship... is completely excluded."[16] It is also central to the woman's role, for complex reasons which make sense within the framework of Greek culture, that she is obliged to remain in the house, in fact, "she is the house... a woman's absence from the house is contrary to her role."[17]

http://www.farsarotul.org/nl28_3.htm

vlach weavin'

copatients

took a ticket for a blood test, 96, ticker was at 32 I went off and got an xray, took 20 mins, came back, nice little sighter, ticker at 52, grand I says I'll grab breakfast and read Fahrenheit 451 which being done I went back and ticker was at 92, nice.

stood waiting for 96 with all eyes on me, a room (portakabin) full of aul wans staring me out of it. ive half an idea what's gone on, viz, these silly old cunts have been crammed into this room for two hours despite having numbered reservations, and not having seen me taking a ticket for my current presence they figure im on the make somehow.

96 ticks up, I'm off for the door of the test room with a full rolling pimp walk, milking it, its like a wrestling villain entrance, wails and protests and wherer you goin jung fella cries coming from all sides. ive the ticket held out like I found it in a wonka bar, theyre looking at it like david blaine produced it from the arse of an archbishop, what magics this kinda thing

how'd you do that?

uh I got it a few hours ago and left.

YOU CANT DO THAT SHURE IF WE ALL DID THAT WHERE WOULD WE BE

I dunno love. not in a cabin that smells of farts anyway?

I'm the bad guy here. copatients.

― post you had fecund thoughts about (darraghmac), Tuesday, March 24, 2015

it is 77°F in my office
the window is already open

― mookieproof, Tuesday, March 10, 2015 10:14 AM

translate pls

― post you had fecund thoughts about (darraghmac), Tuesday, March 10, 2015 10:30 AM

too effing hot

― mookieproof, Tuesday, March 10, 2015 10:40 AM

right down to the vernacular, impressive service

― post you had fecund thoughts about (darraghmac), Tuesday, March 10, 2015 10:45 AM

was working fitting kitchens one summer a life ago and I walked into this apartment building we were working on that was getting a lot done on a few different units at once between electrics, kitchens, plastering and all that,so there were strange faces about the whole time. walked into a room getting painted by one of the first black guys I'd ever seen irl (I'm irish btw) and v likely the first I'd ever had spoken with, viz, at high volume from himself, HOWROOBI.

Well you can imagine, rly. I said ? in not as many words, being 16 and totally struck by the moment and wanting not to be unfriendly or awkward but at that stage of development socially where all I was projecting to the world was awkward unfriendliness. bastard had a gleam in his eye as he repeated happily HOWROOBI and at this stage I'm mugging like an early career Hugh Laurie, not wanting to say anything as obvious or stupid as "sorry I only speak english" (and being 16 still as apt to claim honours French, pass irish and three words of Dutch in any such sentence in any case).

dude advances, fuckin gleam in his eye now, slows it right down like I'm the idiot I'm clearly appearing to be, HOWR-OOBI, this is shit, I'm all but about to run out in agonised bewilderment or attempt a Chevy Chasesque bluff of massive proportions along the lines of generic multinational welcoming custom, when a fella walks in thats working with him:

HOWROOBI, GRAND HOWROOBI, GRAND. DOES THIS YUNG LAD NOT TAAAAWKATALL?

fuckin corkmen.

still didnt understand a word out of either of them the rest of the week, but yknow at least it felt better kinda thing.

― post you had fecund thoughts about (darraghmac), Wednesday, March 4, 2015 10:50 PM

he done the same thing all week to everyone, the rest of em just muttered "sorry only english" I think I was his favourite tbh

― post you had fecund thoughts about (darraghmac), Wednesday, March 4, 2015 10:55 PM

"corporation = sociopath allegory - which is a novel character device"

it is not rly

― post you had fecund thoughts about (darraghmac), Monday, March 23, 2015

did Kimmel ask kanye if Obama calls kanye and Kim kimye also could kanye, Kim (or kimye) tell kimmel if they think Barack was born in kenya

― post you had fecund thoughts about (darraghmac), Friday, March 13, 2015

hands up itt who self identifies as a good lefty, hands up now

― post you had fecund thoughts about (darraghmac), Wednesday, March 11, 2015

deems is pretty great -- i appreciate him

survived this year by don't of behaving perfectly normally, phew

― post you had fecund thoughts about (darraghmac), Tuesday, March 17, 2015

such shiny hair

you'll all be delighted to know ive spared the internet the options I had in February, viz:

triage room realness inc canulla detail for the squeamish

hot pale chubby hairy irish torso with ECG pads detail

WW1 pyjama and smoking jacket vibe recuperation shot with naked old man from ward detail

― local eire man (darraghmac), Tuesday, February 24, 2015 5:36 AM

tho I'm happy to run a poll if demand demands

― local eire man (darraghmac), Tuesday, February 24, 2015 5:36 AM

idk days I could go for a bit of locked in syndrome if ppl would promise to be quiet

― local eire man (darraghmac), Tuesday, February 24, 2015

If people I know were able to use self-deprecating humor with a light touch like darraghmac is skilled at, my life would be even more full of laughter.

― mh, Friday, 14 December 2012 20:07 (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

^posts that read like they've been copied out of a greeting card

― Ward Fowler, Friday, 14 December 2012 20:10 (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

never forget

"deems is pretty great -- i appreciate him"

I appreciate as well; these are just a few of recent vintage

this is disquieting but I suppose its the thread for it

not for me to say my appreciation thread overrunneth *pops collar*

not for me to say my appreciation thread overrunneth *pops collar*

― post you had fecund thoughts about (darraghmac), Tuesday, March 24, 2015 7:51 PM (27 seconds ago)

Yo deems

Oh good I'm allowed post here again, ty duck man B-)

Darragh I was wanting to talk more about this book I've been reading

btw looking good on wdyll; is there pic of you sipping bushmills

not sipifically no

hi wins u can talk about anything here p much that is my essentially wished-for trait whether I attain the ideal or not (nb I do)

just make it a board imo

well tbf I hardly mind what I post on ile most of the time

I just meant that I was threadbanned for not being decorous and witty and good-natured and funny and socially conscious, and maybe not making enough jokes about the Ebola crisis; I promise to do better though & will post passages from the book later

[–]Happy-Time-Harry 5 points 3 years ago

Making a blanket statement such as "country X is racist" is itself racist. Every country has racist people (read: idiots). I can't think of any other particular country that could label Australia as a whole as racist without being hypocritical.

Hey don't make this about race this is about how ilafl doesn't measure up to 1p3

So this 1p3 next gen guff is nothing more than IRE Redux.

Typical.

― Fade to Ugly Dave Gray (King Boy Pato), Tuesday, 27 April 2010 08:51 (4 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i have you down for "penis pump"

― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 27 April 2010 09:06 (4 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

nigga plz

― Fade to Ugly Dave Gray (King Boy Pato), Tuesday, 27 April 2010 09:06 (4 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

great dn wins

nakh u will appreciate:

tomorrow I go to the gate theatre to read for and instruct a dublin director & writer in mayo dialect, phrasing and vernacular

howd it go

just a bit of reading/recording but interesting to do

Cavan actor feels it was too posh. obv he wanted to play it farm boy. thats in my arsenal but you have to talk farm boy yourself or ask me nicely.

do irish farmboys say hyuck?

they make incredible sounds and statements hyuck isnt in the running

So we come to Lady Gregory. [...] it was she who contrived and imposed an "Anglo-Irish" anybody with half an ear could imitate. For decades it was the idiom of stock plays at the Abbey, where the irreverent gave marks for "PQ" (Peasant Quality). It is as formulaic as pseudo-Yiddish and any funny man can still drop into it.

[...]Open Cuchulain of Muirthemne at random: "'I swear by the oath of my people,' said Cuchulain, 'I will make my doings be spoken of among the great doings of heroes in their strength.'"

"My deeds will be remembered," that is, "with the great deeds heroes performed when they were in their prime"; but we have here an idiom which habitually prefers the verb-like form--doings for deeds, the immediate form--spoken of for remembered, and the concrete form--strength for prime.

We have also a syntactical mannerism which we may notice as early in the book as Lady Gregory's explanation of how she shaped her language. "I have told the whole story in plain and simple words, in the same way my old nurse Mary Sheridan used to be telling stories from the Irish long ago, and I a child at Roxborough."

Since Lady Gregory commenced learning Irish only when she was past forty, we are to understand that her old nurse Mary Sheridan used to be talking to her in English, an English moreover that has been strained and stressed by Irish habits of thought. "And I a child at Roxborough" is a symptom, and the way it differs from "When I was a child" merits pondering, with a valuable exposition by Maire Cruise O'Brien to guide us. We shall find that the English sense of things works from verb to verb like Latin, and arranges verbs in systems of subordination, chronological or causal. "She told me that when I was a child" is a normal English sentence, the "was" clause subordinated to the "told" clause. But Irish centers on states, represented by nouns and noun-like constructions. "She used to be telling me" recreates her telling as a stable, ongoing process, she telling and telling, in a vivid pocket of time, something to picture; "I a child" locates my condition as that telling proceeded; the "and" does no more than link these, the child put into the picture with the storyteller.

[...]Mrs O'Brien states the principle a little more technically:

Irish syntax concentrates on the expression of states rather than actions; its verbal system is highly aspective, with the subject of the sentence as the focus of the utterance and all occurrences relating back thereto. It shows a marked predilection for the substantival cast of sentence, ie, a sentence where the noun carries the main burden of content. It has a highly developed prepositional system widely employed; prepositions in Irish supply many of the functions of the verb in English.

When these Irish habits are strong, as in the speech of first-generation bilinguals, they produce such violations of idiom as "If it is a thing that he do come." This means "If he should come," and the word "thing" is trying to anchor it to the aspective. But under pressure from English idiom more accurately sensed that kind of pidgin tends to vanish, "and only Gaelicisms inherently amenable to the recipient structure are retained in the mono-lingual Anglo-Irish." So an English comes to be spoken that has nothing grammatically wrong with it but with still something strange about it, a strangeness frequently obtained by the Irish habit of concentrating on states but supplementing the feeble English verb "to be" with verbs like "put," "leave," "have," which are used to indicate how a state of things has been effected: "She has him crying" (She has made him cry); "I put the fear of God on him" (I frightened him severely); "Have it off him" (take it from him).

regarding this slab of irishsplaining:

i. does this seem correct to you or is it bs?
ii. if it is correct and not bs, to what extent do you think these apparent "irish" modes of speech have diffused into non-irish english in general?

oh wow that's great

it is imo ime utterly correct. hearkening back to the island, where I have the benefit of conversation with genuine bilinguals, the usage of an Irish grammar as described is unquestionable, and I can lapse into it as easily as changing gear.

lady gregory et al get a frequent dose of lampooning from Flann O'Brien across various works for, eh let's call it a well-meaning overusage of such idiom, especially as pushed on the abbey for years, so it isnt a new discovery.

I dont know of it spreading except as pastiche tbrr but others may have other views

it may also be noted that others might advise on the extent to which the cultural nationalism movement rebuilt/revised an gaeilge themselves, maybe not at all as spoken in the rural areas or maybe with some influence, this then to exert its own influence on anglo-irish patterns as described.. I may be misremembering/attributing the extent to which the language had died out or was homogenised from a central source during this process.

Then there is the custom of beginning each sentence, straight off, with a verb, being it only a sort of "'Tis." "Went we to Galway yesterday" would be a paradigm, and "It's we went to Galway yesterday," "It's yesterday we went to Galway," "It's to Galway we went yesterday," would be various alterations of emphasis, with "is"--Irish "is"-- for that inelustable head-verb; hence Synge's "It's cold he is surely," or "It's soon he'd be falling asleep." What's done with syntax needn't be done with voice, and the Irish voice accordingly is free to play its equable tune, under no responsibility for assigning emphasis.

the reason I asked about diffusion into non irish english is that none of those three egs "She has him crying" (She has made him cry); "I put the fear of God on him" (I frightened him severely); "Have it off him" (take it from him). seem that uncommon from where I'm sitting, granted I did grow up around glaswegians but

well you'd have to allow "Gaelic" to stand for "irish" and then there's no question at all of it being the same influence

"O'Nolan's journalistic pseudonym is taken from a character (Myles-na-Coppaleen) in Dion Boucicault's play The Colleen Bawn, who is the stereotypical charming Irish rogue. At one point in the play, he sings the ancient anthem of the Irish Brigades on the Continent, the song "An Crúiscín Lán" (hence the name of the column in the Irish Times).

Capall is the Irish word for "horse" (from Vulgar Latin caballus), and 'een' (spelled ín in Irish) is a diminutive suffix. The prefix na gCapaillín is the genitive plural in his Ulster Irish dialect (the Standard Irish would be "Myles na gCapaillíní"), so Myles na gCopaleen means "Myles of the Little Horses". Capaillín is also the Irish word for "pony", as in the name of Ireland's most famous and ancient native horse breed, the Connemara pony.

O'Nolan himself always insisted on the translation "Myles of the Ponies", saying that he did not see why the principality of the pony should be subjugated to the imperialism of the horse."

just liked how it tied in there at the end.

the xps I'll get to but theyre not common, not as common ime as the examples given in the first post you gave anyway

I'm told btw that German has a similar structure idk if it leads to any similarities in anglo-german what I actually assume is that there is no such idiom as Germans would just learn the grammar properly

its that I'll be striving now to be talking more like this way on ILX since tonight

I think I overtalked wins :(

granted I did grow up around glaswegians but

Double whammy of migration from Ireland (Ulster predominantly) and the Highlands and Western Isles. Was reading recently too about Lowland Gaelic, which was mostly spoken in Dumfries & Galloway, edging into Ayrshire.

I was gonna say you'd be worth consulting on it alright

rly this is a good subject for the Irish thread til we get the ideas of the Midlands cru

http://www.thepoke.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/VaNgQUx-1024x576.jpg

hahaha! love it!

so true!

refrain from fuckin what now?

I am reading a fella atm that has the rural irish ear and thought pattern down pat, I will refer name as and when I put my hand on it again but it seemed relevant to note

that Cavan actor made a show of himself btw, accent was awful. everyone else p impressive

the fella to whom I refer is kevin barry, michael b and number none have mentioned him before now that ive done a search. this book of short stories is pretty much peerless as a description of the rural irish wandering chancer and has made my week.

(aw thx)

nice sn

wha

was rly enjoying the conversation about idiom upthread :(

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXQHWa5j-YI

btw plan to adopt “mar dhea” into my personal lexicon

it covers an awful lot

darraghmac - elderly irish poster who registers for ILF in february 2053. initially hamstrung by his haphazard vietnamese and total ignorance of the subject of fabergé eggs, darraghmac is cautiously indulged despite his coarse and prejudicial views towards silicon based lifeforms. while insisting that he has never had any interest in or knowledge of fabergé eggs, he tells yarns about a mythical predecessor of ILF where snarky english people argued about the merits of soccerball players and provided an early platform for experimental novelist and 2034 ordre des artes et des lettres inductee phil mcnulty.

― A.R.R.Y. Kane (nakhchivan), Monday, August 20, 2012 5:33 PM (3 years ago)

E.N.R.Y. Karl for this one deems la

Will never not lol

deems would u say your social views have become more liberal since moving from connaughtistan to dublin?

No I don't think so.

Ive always been p liberal I'm just cranky

Has the been a discernible shift in your mysterious political stances in yr time on ilx?

not sure how i feel about ilafl's embrace of hitler

― Mordy, Monday, January 18, 2016 6:02 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

there does seem to be more of a sort of metropolitan ambience to the deems project these days

maybe social there is more of a politics-of-the-everyday thing than about whether u think cattle rustlers should be beheaded (presuming still a tick for that)

ilx has made me more liberal to the prospect of tolerating executions for many categories of offenders, though whether to go for public private partnerships or fully liberalize the execution market is unclear

It's a tough call for me obv professionally I'm agin the outsourcing of these functions but privately I have my reservations as to the efficiency of their provision from the pool of existing public expertises

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-O5rDDvVJwU

top execution?

Dublin has witnessed several gangland feuds over the past decade since the murder of Eamonn 'The Don' Dunne who is believed to have been responsible for the murder of his close friend Martin 'Marlo' Hyland

Kavanagh's father was Gerard 'Hatchet' Kavanagh, who was lured to his death in Spain in September 2014.

It is understood several members of a criminal gang linked to Dublin criminal 'Fat' Freddie Thompson were in the hotel watching the weigh-in when the gunmen opened fire.

why do irish criminals have such basic soubriquets?

U don't speak erse u don't get it

I sit next to a fella his wife is a secretary for the boxing I had live updates on this.

Choinneáil Ar An Meme Beo: Peppa's Erse

http://dublinorganisedcrime1.blogspot.ie/2009/12/sixteen-deaths-linked-to-vicious.html?m=1

I like the current place I'm in but reading through this shit would make you question whether living btwn crumlin and drimnagh is worth the rent haircut

drimnaghmac-10

Been living roundabouts 5+ years and apart from getting some unknown object chucked at my head outside the chipper one evening I've been happily oblivious. You'd have the banter with the youth element of course

I will but I'll be cutting down on it

Started reading and ended up at Johnny Adair.

Jesus we're not far from madness really are we.

village idiot and right-wing cunt darraghmac keeps speaking

― cher guevara (lex pretend)

right-wing?!?

Whyd I think you were stoneybatter BTW or is that previous

xp ya.

me, mordy, couple others, we've disagreed with a cru or two and now it's all labels

I uh I like how you've not questioned a or c in the statement mind

cause that's a badge of honor, coming from lex

I remember you asking about the prospects of the Batter at one point, but I've always been somewhere in the Crumlin/Drimnagh nexus apart from an unfortunate sojourn in Phibsborough

xp true

Nn we are prob due a pint over a match if I've not disgraced myself unknowingly at some stage tbh

as long as it's not The Marble Arch

Fucks sake man ida thought the thread tonight alone would be suggested nowhere local

been inching my way townwards in the last couple of moves tbf. At the current rate of progression I should make D8 by the time it's uncool again

Once I'm here gentrification has prob already given way to stultification tbph

norman goldner
@nlygo
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Saw that and thought of me

prob the political party reminded him

right wing cunt (townsend)

Ha

Gerry 'The Monk' Hutch

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruHQSXGTOP8

https://s3.amazonaws.com/media.sheetmusicdirect.com/images/web/smd_122747_morrissey_irish_blood_english_heart_web.png

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DF9gSyku-fc

Not much good to me atm

darragh i am loving all your contributions today

"today" hey

yes today

best not bump this again for a while id say

ok fine every day

nah for other reasons. which i predict to become apparent at next admin log bump

dmac how should I pronounce "taoiseach"?

t-shock

i mean i guess theres a tiny aieee in the hyphen but youd nearly need to know about sean nós to get it

http://politicalstrangenames.blogspot.com/2019/07/deems-hardy-clifton-1910-1998.html

ive never learned to love it tbh

When these Irish habits are strong, as in the speech of first-generation bilinguals, they produce such violations of idiom as "If it is a thing that he do come." This means "If he should come," and the word "thing" is trying to anchor it to the aspective. But under pressure from English idiom more accurately sensed that kind of pidgin tends to vanish, "and only Gaelicisms inherently amenable to the recipient structure are retained in the mono-lingual Anglo-Irish." So an English comes to be spoken that has nothing grammatically wrong with it but with still something strange about it, a strangeness frequently obtained by the Irish habit of concentrating on states but supplementing the feeble English verb "to be" with verbs like "put," "leave," "have," which are used to indicate how a state of things has been effected: "She has him crying" (She has made him cry); "I put the fear of God on him" (I frightened him severely); "Have it off him" (take it from him).

― piqued (wins), Sunday, 19 April 2015 22:54 (four years ago) bookmarkflaglink

knew that wins had posted relevant stuff somewhere

mcdonaghs irish dialogue has clearly been influenced overmuch by a study of the likes of this, and surely the likes of the stuff put on at the abbey early doors, but rly it was wrong, all wrong, and to write it in the nineties or whatever and lazily wave a hand at synge or whoever from 1920 is just not acceptable.

firstly, i could read synge in my down-home dialect and im pretty sure that while it would seem old-fashioned, it would nevertheless come clean enough out. from ascendancy stock, his time in aran (or his ear) seems to have served him better than whatever mcdonagh has picked up from having a lettermullen father.

im willing to allow a set of rotten vocal performances, tho twould seem a bit much of a coincidence that the gang entire playing islanders didnt know a kerry accent from a connemara- the lads playin nordies were ok, like. the lad from the young offenders was by some distance better than the other three lead islanders.

its a funny balance, theres many good reasons a fella doesnt want to go too sharply in on diaspora or their writing/depiction of jreland, but dammit the play was set in 1993 and between speaking an idiom that at kindest interpretation might have flown fifty years earlier in a very different region and having an o'casey lite grasp of/care for anything like a reasonable characterisation of the people and throwing in a quiet man level of ra (well inla but) men ive to say.....its bad stuff, insulting stuff, and ive no idea of its path from draft to fame but this tick paddy wouldve handed it back to him and told him to write english characters and nkt spoof irish ones.

telling perhaps that twas the RSC put it on first, idk? and that it did well in the states.

at least im happy to be able to report that his clumsy scattergun satire (its not satire its an inability to accurately nail) from three billboards is only him doing to murrica what he done to us first

special word for yerman from bachelors walk. gaeltacht english is imo a complex, precise, dry, expressive idiom and this guy to my mind played it for laughs out of ignorance or contempt.

he simply didnt say the stuff right, had no interest in saying it right. hee-hawing his way through lines for laughs in an accent nobody has ever heard outside of the gaiety and one that a bare minimum of effort, interest or talent wouldve informed him or anyone responsible was ridiculous.

twat.

tisnt *why* im awake, but seeings i *am* awake, its what im annoyed about rn

Which one from Bachelors Walk? Wycherley?

I absolutely loved Bachelors Walk but it is very much A Product Of Its Time and idk if I would today so I havent rewatched.

Feel diaspora, esp those who spent a lot of holidays in Ireland as a child, are uncomfortably trapped - no doubt McDonagh got it from both sides and therefore a lot of his tin ear stems from overcompensating? And he is Irish - he is undoubtedly one of those people who’d have been born and raised in Ireland if not for economic migration. Don’t know if this would have made him quite the same writer though.

I wonder also about if there was the thing you see (lol how articulate I am) where emigrants are sort of frozen in time after leaving and miss out on the nuances and developments you wouldn’t if you were still living there. I might be projecting because I sometimes feel this way, though.

just want to say I apreesh dmac 🙂

heh ty ums and rb@u but i really only took half-notice of what thread that crucial wins post was in when i bumped at 5am

gyac, absolutely i get the trap that an irish person abroad- i think anyone away, really, even me in dublin to a certain extent- can fall into without any blame attached of having a postcard relationship with place. experiencing it through parents and doing the summers back home, more so again, sure.

ive cousins in what i would think are a very similar type relationship, london to irish parents and its v clichéd how and where the stuff sticks, the importance to them of ritual and cultural points that....fell away from cousins this side as we lived through change. very understandable stuff.

but all that said, that this is a version of irish that seems acceptable- and look i guess we all have our sore points, this must be one of mine- to write and put on and tour around the world and slap "mid nineties western ireland" on it is something i take a strong allergy to tbh.

its cod ireland and whether the fault is in mcdonagh as a writer (frankly i suspect so) or whether this is a representation of ireland hed be happy to sit and talk to a journalist in nyc and insist is his truth is somewhat imo beside the point, rly

friel was writing a more modern rural ireland in the early 60s, like.

sure, mcdonagh is writing broad strokes, but my objection to the level of apery goes beyond "arah its doesnt have to be a documentary".

im overanalysing it, surely, but the question of why this, of anything, is what went superstar from the irish writing scene in the past two decades is one that goes beyond "he can write a decent quip" imo

I’m not disagreeing with you, I just understand where he’s coming from I guess. You see this to a much greater extent with Irish-Americans and the way they cling to things like corned beef and Irish dancing and stuff that died out in the late 19th century. Literally. (Why they insist on clinging to St Patty’s is another thing entirely).

You read old Flann and he was bang otm now, today, probably tomorrow. I mean, the “plain people of Ireland” still cuts! and even that is so beyond McDonagh. I do think he writes well though, when you strip this shite away? The issue is that there’s so much of it.

Anyway, Cruiskeen Lawn though! None of this sounds like anyone itt, ofc.

A LADY lecturing recently on the Irish language drew attention to the fact (I mentioned it myself as long ago as 1925) that, while the average English speaker gets along with a mere 400 words, the Irish-speaking peasant uses 4,000.

Considering what most English speakers can achieve with their tiny fund of noises, it is a nice speculation to what extremity one would be reduced if one were locked up for a day with an Irish-speaking bore and bereft of all means of committing murder or suicide.

My point, however, is this. The 400/4,000 ration is fallacious; 400/400,000 would be more like it. There is scarcely a single word in the Irish (barring, possibly, Sasanach) that is simple and explicit.

Apart from words with endless shades of cognate meaning, there are many with so complete a spectrum of graduated ambiguity that each of them can be made to express two directly contrary meanings, as well as a plethora of intermediate concepts that have no bearing on either

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But what is the use? One could go on and on without reaching anywhere in particular.

Your paltry English speaker apprehends sea-going craft through the infantile cognition which merely distinguishes the small from the big.

If it’s small, it’s a boat, and if it’s big it’s a ship. In his great book An tOileánach,however, the uneducated Tomás Ó Criomhthain uses, perhaps, a dozen words to convey the concept of carrying super-marinity – árthrach long, soitheach, bád, naomhóg, bád raice, galbhád, púcán and whatever you are having yourself.

The plight of the English speaker with his wretched box of 400 vocal beads may be imagined when I say that a really good Irish speaker would blurt out the whole 400 in one cosmic grunt. In Donegal there are native speakers who know so many million words that it is a matter of pride with them never to use the same word twice in a life-time. Their life (not to say their language) becomes very complex at the century mark; but there you are.
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i think nakh pbuh may have posted some very interesting stuff in the middle of some long forgotten thread about how and where irish-scotch culture in particular- actually iirc its in particular-particular ulster-schotchtch- travelled in packets and stuck in their new places with specifically traceable cultural touchstones but sprung thence as a new genus in its own new conditions, and i think thats what we're saying here

amerikay tends, at least imo, to veer btwn quiet man and sayyyyy roddy doyle

i think that-if i think of them as the kilburn irish i hope that doesnt come across as having any negative connotations, these are my people- the kilburn irish have a very definite idea of rural ireland that-

will we say mcgahern? we will, maybe-

strikes me, when i mix with them as i do in their own place (london irish is a fascinating culture to me) or as they return to my place as tantalisingly close to quantifiable, tho im sure wed have a fine row in nailing down the characteristics.

and beyant all that, i would still say that mcdonaghs innismore is worthy of a flann to tear it to pieces

right, breakfast

this is good stuff deems and while nothing to contribute at the time these posts are worthy of appreciation, have it off me imo