I agree Jones was shitty, not so sure about Ream tho. Boca should be a CB if anything and not out wide. Wondo's miss was sad but they shouldn't have been in that position against a team like Panama.
This team really needs a Holden.
― dan m, Sunday, 12 June 2011 02:23 (thirteen years ago) link
Aston Villa won´t sign Michael Bradley permanently. McLeish cancelled the deal today, although clubs agreed on terms before, acc. to "Bild".
― mizzell, Wednesday, 22 June 2011 00:28 (thirteen years ago) link
aw fuck AV
still think he could be a good prem midfielder, and imagine what a midfield of him, jones, and a back-in-form holden would be like for the usa
― dan m, Wednesday, 22 June 2011 03:12 (thirteen years ago) link
hope he lands somewhere good, and would like to see the us play a 4-3-3 with that midfield and dempsey and donavan pushed up
― mizzell, Wednesday, 22 June 2011 04:21 (thirteen years ago) link
http://aol.sportingnews.com/soccer/story/2011-06-22/american-midfielder-beasley-signs-with-mexican-club
― dan m, Thursday, 23 June 2011 20:30 (thirteen years ago) link
whenever i see this thread title i think its about the ninja turtles
― little dieter wants to FUCK (Princess TamTam), Thursday, 23 June 2011 20:31 (thirteen years ago) link
excited for the final. i don't have any confidence in sasha starting vs mexico. if i were bradley, i would play a 4-6-0 with edu instead for the first 75 mins to combat giovanni & chicharito then pray dempsey could save us again. i've been impressed with bedoya so far, i wonder if he can play behind agudelo or dempsey?
― Mantis Toboggan M.D. (wabi sabi), Thursday, 23 June 2011 23:03 (thirteen years ago) link
this is the most otm thing I've read since the final
http://aol.sportingnews.com/soccer/story/2011-07-01/firing-bradley-wouldnt-solve-us-soccers-real-problem
friendlies against Costa Rica and Belgium announced today btw
― dan m, Wednesday, 6 July 2011 01:53 (thirteen years ago) link
Jozy to AZ Alkmaar huh, I always figured he wasn't ready for a club like Villareal.
― dan m, Friday, 15 July 2011 17:39 (thirteen years ago) link
Bradley out
http://www.ussoccer.com/News/Mens-National-Team/2011/07/Bradleys-Tenure-Ends.aspx
― keillor can folk anything. and he will, and has. (dan m), Thursday, 28 July 2011 19:13 (thirteen years ago) link
http://bestanimations.com/Holidays/Fireworks/Fireworks-01-june.gifoh shi i hadn't seen this. breaking news on ilx dan m!http://bestanimations.com/Holidays/Fireworks/Fireworks-01-june.gif
― carstens, Thursday, 28 July 2011 19:16 (thirteen years ago) link
feel like thread needs http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i5/herrlicher____alptraum/Natalie%20Dee/maracas.jpg
― carstens, Thursday, 28 July 2011 19:18 (thirteen years ago) link
"further announcement friday" could they have someone lined up already? seems unlikely
― carstens, Thursday, 28 July 2011 19:19 (thirteen years ago) link
didn't see that coming
― mizzell, Thursday, 28 July 2011 19:21 (thirteen years ago) link
Be nice if he came back to the Fire :D
― keillor can folk anything. and he will, and has. (dan m), Thursday, 28 July 2011 19:28 (thirteen years ago) link
but yeah now is the time to speculate on who the replacement will be
Klinsmann is the easy pick of course
only other name I see kicked around: Jason Kreis
lol comment on the Goff blog article about Bradley: "Fire whomever they hire!"
― keillor can folk anything. and he will, and has. (dan m), Thursday, 28 July 2011 19:40 (thirteen years ago) link
ok just read Marcelo Lippi rumor think I'm gonna shoot myself
― keillor can folk anything. and he will, and has. (dan m), Thursday, 28 July 2011 19:56 (thirteen years ago) link
Ives lists these dudes
Juergen KlinsmannGuus HiddinkMarcelo LippiCarlo AncelottiRafa BenitezBruce ArenaSigi SchmidJason KreisClaudio Reyna
― keillor can folk anything. and he will, and has. (dan m), Thursday, 28 July 2011 21:24 (thirteen years ago) link
Juergen Klinsmann - seems like he'll get the jobGuus Hiddink - yeah rightMarcelo Lippi - dunnoCarlo Ancelotti - more often than i should admit i think back to an interview where he said he was learning english. he had this shy smile about it, made him a real person. i like him and wish him well, can't imagine he'd end up here.Rafa Benitez - only for the dmac lolsBruce Arena - fucking hate this guySigi Schmid - sumo coach, says he hasn't been contactedJason Kreis - 2015? or now. good guy at some point for us imoClaudio Reyna - just got started Teaching The Youth. stick w/that for a bit
― carstens, Friday, 29 July 2011 00:35 (thirteen years ago) link
otm
― keillor can folk anything. and he will, and has. (dan m), Friday, 29 July 2011 01:11 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.ussoccer.com/News/Mens-National-Team/2011/07/Klinsmann-Named-Head-Coach-of-US-MNT.aspx
― keillor can folk anything. and he will, and has. (dan m), Friday, 29 July 2011 16:14 (thirteen years ago) link
starting the "Fire Klinsmann" bandwagon right now b/c it's inevitable -- who's with me?
― keillor can folk anything. and he will, and has. (dan m), Friday, 29 July 2011 16:27 (thirteen years ago) link
What was his plan for getting 'the inner-city youths' into the game, again? I've forgotten.
― boxall, Friday, 29 July 2011 16:33 (thirteen years ago) link
Hasn't he been an advisor to an MLS team?
― publier les (suggest) bans de (Michael White), Friday, 29 July 2011 16:41 (thirteen years ago) link
yah TFC lolz
― keillor can folk anything. and he will, and has. (dan m), Friday, 29 July 2011 16:42 (thirteen years ago) link
this is good news, no?
― g++ (gbx), Friday, 29 July 2011 16:44 (thirteen years ago) link
i guess? not sure what his record as a coach of germany and bayern could really say about his potential with the us. but i hope they give him control and time to try his system, and i hope he's committed to the project.
― mizzell, Friday, 29 July 2011 16:49 (thirteen years ago) link
Woah, well done you lot. Klinsmann gets the credit here for the renaissance of German football (not sure how accurate that is, but still) and it seems like he got across-the-board free rein for that project. If there's scope for something similar in the US, it could be spectacular.
― Ismael Klata, Friday, 29 July 2011 17:21 (thirteen years ago) link
now there's only the small problem of quality players
― mizzell, Friday, 29 July 2011 17:42 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm just interested to see which high-potential young players he utilizes and in what formation. Dudes like Adu, Diskerud, Agudelo, Ream and Chandler. I hope to never see Bornstein or Kljestan again, doubt it'll actually happen.
― keillor can folk anything. and he will, and has. (dan m), Friday, 29 July 2011 18:36 (thirteen years ago) link
One thing's for sure, if he doesn't get over the generational bump that currently exists we're gonna get fucked by Mexico for years to come.
― keillor can folk anything. and he will, and has. (dan m), Friday, 29 July 2011 18:38 (thirteen years ago) link
seems to me the problem w us youth soccer is as much a scouting ish as it is a talent problem. we're a huge country and I would wager that as many or more kids here grow up playing soccer as, say, in England (before anyone spits anything on any keyboards, recall that we have six times as many ppl...it's not outlandish to think that for every six English ten year olds playing there's one American).
the diff is that no one is paying close attention to young American players. moreover, they don't know how.
just occurred to me that the best/fastest way to pull up young players isn't by trying to pimp the MLS or promise riches in Europe---it's university involvement. if the college game improves/gets a rep as an incubator for talent (like every single other major sport except for baseball...which has a system remarkably like European systems), then maybe we'll see some changes.
it actually makes sense, economically---soccer teams are cheaper to train and equip than football teams, and good uni scouting has to be cheaper than trying to create from scratch a youth system like you'd find at a major euro club. those things didn't happen over night.
― g++ (gbx), Saturday, 30 July 2011 00:18 (thirteen years ago) link
isn't there an age problem w/ that tho?
― iatee, Saturday, 30 July 2011 00:24 (thirteen years ago) link
yah i'm not sure how the college system can accomodate the sort of exceptional players you are hoping for
even jozy altidore, who was a promising but hardly prodigious sort, left for villareal at about 19
― MY WEEDS STRONG BLUD.mp3 (nakhchivan), Saturday, 30 July 2011 00:32 (thirteen years ago) link
no different from the age problem in, like, bball or hockey or w/e
competition for ~scholarships~ (that is, a college education) is what drives a lot of youth development. most kids know that they'll never be pros, but they could get into a school they might not otherwise be able to afford.
― g++ (gbx), Saturday, 30 July 2011 00:35 (thirteen years ago) link
aren't there already college soccer scholarships?
― iatee, Saturday, 30 July 2011 00:36 (thirteen years ago) link
not sure college soccer makes enough money for athletic departments to justify a ton of scouting
― mookieproof, Saturday, 30 July 2011 00:38 (thirteen years ago) link
the difference is that european teams aren't going to stop paying college age kids huge sums of money
― MY WEEDS STRONG BLUD.mp3 (nakhchivan), Saturday, 30 July 2011 00:46 (thirteen years ago) link
yah i'm not sure how the college system can accomodate the sort of exceptional players you are hoping foreven jozy altidore, who was a promising but hardly prodigious sort, left for villareal at about 19
who cares
we have youth systems in place that produce amazing athletes already. why try and create feeder systems for less than 20 crappy American clubs when you can harness what's already in place. college sports fans obv care more about certain sports than others, but if a big state uni got a killer always-wins soccer team, ppl would support it because ppl love college sports (and go NUTS over them in a way that more closely resembles intl soccer fandom than any of our pro sports).
we have 3000+ univs. start telling kids they can get a BA/laid if they're good at soccer and you'll see results. right now the only hope young players have is the MLS (pays less than the job you ~might~ get with an education) or abroad (fat chance, you suck).
enough phenoms will bubble to the top to fill out our natl team
― g++ (gbx), Saturday, 30 July 2011 00:47 (thirteen years ago) link
of course they don't. but if we're talking about targets to strengthen the game in the US, I think college ball will be more sensitive than...better kids leagues? no need to reinvent the wheel here
― g++ (gbx), Saturday, 30 July 2011 00:51 (thirteen years ago) link
are those incentives going to work with 7yr old kids? cuz unlike nfl/nba where there are players who didn't begin training til mid teens, elite ~soccer~ players have practised inane amounts from very young ages (xp)
― MY WEEDS STRONG BLUD.mp3 (nakhchivan), Saturday, 30 July 2011 00:51 (thirteen years ago) link
lol, insane
― MY WEEDS STRONG BLUD.mp3 (nakhchivan), Saturday, 30 July 2011 00:54 (thirteen years ago) link
the current crop of american players isn't any sort of disaster, they've been steadily improving and producing solid european top tier players like howard, bradley, dempsey.....there's a lack of really exceptional talents but sooner or later they will arrive
these sort of state-of-the-nation discussions about youth coaching are more apt for countries like england which have history/infrastructure/culture and still fail to develop players the equal of comparable nations
― MY WEEDS STRONG BLUD.mp3 (nakhchivan), Saturday, 30 July 2011 00:59 (thirteen years ago) link
really talented bball players have been developing skills from childhood, maybe just not as 'formally' as some young soccer players
it just seems silly to me to assume that the best thing for the long-term health of american soccer is plucking really young kids out and, what, shipping them abroad to train with foreigners, where they will prosper in total isolation from the people that will eventually be their "fans"?
you mentioned that 19yo jozy went abroad---where do talented 19yo hockey players (who, incidentally, also start really really early...like 4-5yo) go? COLLEGE. if we focused on getting people interested in the college game, it could serve as the same sort of finishing school as it does for our other sports. if we focus more on developing young kids and putting them into farm systems either domestic or foreign that ~no one cares about or watches~ then we're developing players at the expense of developing the actual sport
― g++ (gbx), Saturday, 30 July 2011 01:04 (thirteen years ago) link
*really* talented 19yo hockey players are in the nhl (but sure)
― mookieproof, Saturday, 30 July 2011 01:07 (thirteen years ago) link
it's a chicken egg problem, of course, because as mookie said, no one watches college ball right now. i'm not sure what US Soccer could do to actually ~help~ improve the quality/profile of university teams, but i'm sure someone clever could think of something. and it would be way easier, cheaper, and more "american" than the alternative.
like, for real, if the NCAA soccer championships were televised and played in a biggish stadium, might that not attract interest in an "if you build it they will come" sorta way?
xp you know what i mean, dude
― g++ (gbx), Saturday, 30 July 2011 01:08 (thirteen years ago) link
and again, the scholarship thing can't be stressed enough: there's loads of kids out there who are trying they're asses off to get improve their game because it might mean school---they already know they're not gonna be pro hockey players, but they might get some glory and a decent job afterwards
― g++ (gbx), Saturday, 30 July 2011 01:09 (thirteen years ago) link
the scholarships already exist tho!
― iatee, Saturday, 30 July 2011 01:09 (thirteen years ago) link
and it's sorta hard to justify any more athletic scholarships, for anything, when put in context of how our universities work
I think your argument hinges more on 'get people to care about college soccer' than anything else
― iatee, Saturday, 30 July 2011 01:10 (thirteen years ago) link