(I mean prob not w/r/t high profile ncaa football players, but that's another issue)
― iatee, Saturday, 30 July 2011 19:03 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah, i think it's pretty sad how many kids here are thrown on the scrapheap with nothing to show for it
― MY WEEDS STRONG BLUD.mp3 (nakhchivan), Saturday, 30 July 2011 19:03 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah it's totally evil. One thing that has been a reason for optimism lately are NCAA eligibility rules regarding kids who play/develop in pro environments. Starting like last year they can still qualify for scholarships even if they've been playing w/ pros and I *think* even paid to play. Not sure on all the specifics but it's encouraging.
― keillor can folk anything. and he will, and has. (dan m), Saturday, 30 July 2011 19:04 (thirteen years ago) link
*changes to NCAA eligibility rules
But I mean if the discussion we're having is "how do we help kids who have good game get scholarships" than yeah, that's been happening. If it's "how do we develop cutting-edge players to go out and win big for 'Merica" then we're just kind of treading water.
― keillor can folk anything. and he will, and has. (dan m), Saturday, 30 July 2011 19:06 (thirteen years ago) link
The real answer, imo, is an expansion of the Ajax and other euro-style academy systems, something that is happening but still in its infancy. Bradenton is US Soccer's attempt at fostering that kind of environment, but it needs a wider network of clubs running the things with the sole goal of finding and developing players to really pay dividends on the world stage.
― keillor can folk anything. and he will, and has. (dan m), Saturday, 30 July 2011 19:57 (9 minutes ago)
did you read that long nyt piece on ajax' academy
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/06/magazine/06Soccer-t.html
can't fault their effectiveness but the treatment of the rejected kids is pretty cold iirc
― MY WEEDS STRONG BLUD.mp3 (nakhchivan), Saturday, 30 July 2011 19:14 (thirteen years ago) link
You can question the effectiveness of Bradenton / the USSF though, at least in getting the most promising kids. Rossi was maybe always headed back to Italy but it seems to me they could have had Subotić and Rogelio Funes Mori if not for various fuckups.
― boxall, Saturday, 30 July 2011 19:21 (thirteen years ago) link
what, shipping them abroad to train with foreigners, where they will prosper in total isolation from the people that will eventually be their "fans"?I don't see why this is a problem. If they succeed and join top teams in England, Spain, Italy their matches will be televised and they won't be in isolation anymore.
― boxall, Saturday, 30 July 2011 19:29 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah Bradenton is far from perfect, it seems to me like it was some idea they ginned up in the 90s and it did pay some dividends. The fuckups leading to losing Subotic et al are systemic and a lot of people are hoping that will end now that various coaches (the u-20s in particular) have been fired. The thing that Klinsmann wanted all along was top-to-bottom control, perhaps they've given that to him now.
Oh and I have read that NYT Ajax article and I fully agree it's cold as shit, not something that I would want to subject my children to if I were a parent. On the other hand it seems like a pretty foolproof method for getting results. :/
― keillor can folk anything. and he will, and has. (dan m), Saturday, 30 July 2011 21:43 (thirteen years ago) link
Here's a recent example of youth players getting signed early
http://www.soccerbyives.net/soccer_by_ives/2011/07/chicago-fire-signing-gulley-as-homegrown-player.html
So basically it comes down to rights. The Fire have this kid on the roster, he makes a little bit of cash but he gets to train w/ pros in a pro environment and can play in reserve league matches w/o jeopardizing his college eligibility. If he makes it big, he can stay with the team and win games and eventually get sold if he's good enough. If not he can still go to school (and with some of the youth programs in MLS like Generation Adidas the league & sponsor will pay his way). It's a little less heartless than the Ajax model.
― keillor can folk anything. and he will, and has. (dan m), Saturday, 30 July 2011 21:50 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah, the loosening of the rules for who qualifies as an amateur in the NCAA's eyes seems like a great idea.
― boxall, Saturday, 30 July 2011 21:58 (thirteen years ago) link
Oh and after rereading part of the thread: The best hockey prospects play in major junior leagues and generally don't go to college. Only the real cream of the crop guys from college even get a sniff of the pros. It seems like a lot of goalies have been coming up through that route of late tho.
― keillor can folk anything. and he will, and has. (dan m), Saturday, 30 July 2011 22:20 (thirteen years ago) link
"Twice before, just the timing was not right. You know, I didn't feel right," said Klinsmann, who lives with his family in California. "And now it kind of came altogether and I felt, no, you know what, the comfort level is there. You know, the understanding of the job is there. I mean it needed maybe to grow in a relationship point of view a couple of years until I said, you know, this is OK. This is now kind of the mature moment for it."
― nakhchivan, Tuesday, 2 August 2011 15:43 (thirteen years ago) link
he must have gotten sick of playing for an amateur side under an assumed name
― keillor can folk anything. and he will, and has. (dan m), Tuesday, 2 August 2011 16:19 (thirteen years ago) link
so, klinsi's first callups, few surprises here
GOALKEEPERS (2):Bill Hamid (D.C.United)Tim Howard (Everton)
DEFENDERS (8):Carlos Bocanegra (Saint-Etienne)Edgar Castillo (Club America)Timmy Chandler (FC Nürnberg)Steve Cherundolo (Hannover 96)Clarence Goodson (Brondby)Michael Orozco Fiscal (San Luis)Heath Pearce (Chivas USA)Tim Ream (New York Red Bulls)
MIDFIELDERS (7):Kyle Beckerman (Real Salt Lake)Michael Bradley (Borussia Mönchengladbach)Ricardo Clark (Eintracht Frankfurt)Maurice Edu (Rangers)Jermaine Jones (Schalke 04)Brek Shea (FC Dallas)José Torres (Pachuca)
FORWARDS (5):Freddy Adu (Benfica)Juan Agudelo (New York Red Bulls)DaMarcus Beasley (Puebla)Edson Buddle (FC Ingolstadt)Landon Donovan (Los Angeles Galaxy)
― keillor can folk anything. and he will, and has. (dan m), Thursday, 4 August 2011 17:49 (thirteen years ago) link
fuck Ricardo Clark imo
― boxall, Thursday, 4 August 2011 18:57 (thirteen years ago) link
whats the deal with TJ Delaney of FC Copenhagen? is he holding out for a place on the Danish team or not interested in playing for the us?
― Michael B, Thursday, 4 August 2011 19:46 (thirteen years ago) link
I've never heard of him but apparently he played for Denmark at the Euro U21 tournament this summer. What sort of a midfielder is he?
― boxall, Thursday, 4 August 2011 19:51 (thirteen years ago) link
we've got a lot of midfielders tbh, it's everywhere else in the outfield we're lacking
― keillor can folk anything. and he will, and has. (dan m), Thursday, 4 August 2011 20:00 (thirteen years ago) link
like: shea, hamid, mexican-american dudes, adudislike: beas, buddleclark is pretty o_O but I still think he has potential, has done well for frankfurt
hoping that some of those veterans are there to start working on finding the ethos/playing style that klinsmann has talked up in interviews, 'cause they're sure as shit not going to be around for 2014
asst. coaches are interesting too: martin vasquez who was at bayern and then got fired from fake chivas, also tab ramos
― keillor can folk anything. and he will, and has. (dan m), Thursday, 4 August 2011 20:03 (thirteen years ago) link
Could use some creative players in midfield, don't see any of the above providing that except maybe Torres and Shea. No Diskerud. I guess Teal Bunbury's been in a slump?
― boxall, Thursday, 4 August 2011 20:15 (thirteen years ago) link
We are all Tab's Kids.
― it's not that print journalists don't have a sense of humour, it's just (Laurel), Thursday, 4 August 2011 20:18 (thirteen years ago) link
I think creativity in the mid will come from Adu & Torres in the short term. Can't wait to see Holden back in the lineup eventually. Diskerud is in the middle of his season, right? Bet he'll get the call vs Belgium.
― keillor can folk anything. and he will, and has. (dan m), Thursday, 4 August 2011 20:21 (thirteen years ago) link
boxall: i havent seen him play really so i dont know much about him. he came on against shamrock rovers last night but the game was already over really by that point. hes played for denmark u-21's as well though which probably makes him ineligible to play for the us.
― Michael B, Thursday, 4 August 2011 20:40 (thirteen years ago) link
no it doesn't. you can switch once if you haven't appeared in a senior, competitive match
― mizzell, Thursday, 4 August 2011 20:41 (thirteen years ago) link
Our singlemost failing, imho, is a lack of attacking flair and i don't see that changing here. We concede goals not just because our defense is shakey but because other teams know that our counteres and ability to press our attack aren't great. Donovan's OK and Buddle shows promise but w/o more killer instinct and finishing ability, we're merely chancers, albeit w/heart.
― publier les (suggest) bans de (Michael White), Thursday, 4 August 2011 20:44 (thirteen years ago) link
I'll take Agudelo all day over Buddle, personally. Possibly just grasping at Jozyesque straws with the kid, but he has shown a real willingness to take defenders on and go for every chance he gets.
― keillor can folk anything. and he will, and has. (dan m), Thursday, 4 August 2011 20:59 (thirteen years ago) link
Would take the actual Jozy over Buddle, easily, I can't believe he or Beasley are still in the picture.
― boxall, Thursday, 4 August 2011 21:05 (thirteen years ago) link
I like Jozy but he needs some real experience and honing, nay, forging even.
― publier les (suggest) bans de (Michael White), Thursday, 4 August 2011 21:07 (thirteen years ago) link
He left MLS too soon imo.
― keillor can folk anything. and he will, and has. (dan m), Thursday, 4 August 2011 21:21 (thirteen years ago) link
Very possible. Where is he languishing on the bench, now?
― publier les (suggest) bans de (Michael White), Thursday, 4 August 2011 21:22 (thirteen years ago) link
Just signed with AZ in Holland, probably a good place for him tbh.
― keillor can folk anything. and he will, and has. (dan m), Thursday, 4 August 2011 21:24 (thirteen years ago) link
He's too flighty. I'd rather he'd spent his whole time playing for the RBs than ending up in boomvuk Holland
― publier les (suggest) bans de (Michael White), Thursday, 4 August 2011 21:25 (thirteen years ago) link
i think i won't watch tonight. it might get ugly.
― carstens, Wednesday, 10 August 2011 21:13 (thirteen years ago) link
what channel is showing this??
― remembrance of schwings past (gbx), Thursday, 11 August 2011 01:58 (thirteen years ago) link
univision
― mizzell, Thursday, 11 August 2011 02:00 (thirteen years ago) link
us still lacking anyone in the middle to make something happen, opened up too easily at the back. juergen looks kind of bewildered on the sidelines. his smile during the national anthem was cute, though.
― mizzell, Thursday, 11 August 2011 02:03 (thirteen years ago) link
I am at a bar with a million screens and it's all baseball and one tv with the fukkin u20 bra v ksa game wtf
― remembrance of schwings past (gbx), Thursday, 11 August 2011 02:08 (thirteen years ago) link
espn3 also.lol half watching. all i've seen is weakness and chasing
― carstens, Thursday, 11 August 2011 02:10 (thirteen years ago) link
it's on espn 2
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 11 August 2011 02:12 (thirteen years ago) link
bartender is pointedly ignoring me
― remembrance of schwings past (gbx), Thursday, 11 August 2011 02:19 (thirteen years ago) link
this is infuriating
― remembrance of schwings past (gbx), Thursday, 11 August 2011 02:21 (thirteen years ago) link
oh god and now some nu metal version of cinnamon girl is playing kill me
― remembrance of schwings past (gbx), Thursday, 11 August 2011 02:24 (thirteen years ago) link
lol at espn2 for nearly missing that goal
― remembrance of schwings past (gbx), Thursday, 11 August 2011 02:47 (thirteen years ago) link
created by usa's own neymar, break shea. what a haircut!
― mizzell, Thursday, 11 August 2011 02:49 (thirteen years ago) link
ref has completely swallowed his whistle
that haircut is ghastly
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 11 August 2011 02:50 (thirteen years ago) link
who's that other dude that looks like he's 16
the guy who scored the goal? robbie rogers
― mizzell, Thursday, 11 August 2011 02:52 (thirteen years ago) link
we have no one who can put a good ball on net from outside the box
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 11 August 2011 02:53 (thirteen years ago) link