Football journalism

although i suppose it's only wishful thinking that any major "regular" interview these days would be any less of a product of club/pr/sponsor collusion

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/may/18/robin-van-persie-arsenal

Similar photo in this piece, though the analogous product placement is a little subtler: "Everybody knows everything about each other," he said, at the launch of the new adidas adiPower Predator boot.

Say anything less anodyne in an interview and your club will launch an investigation, it seems.

V hard to get access to any of these guys unless it's tied to some big brand. Is why the BBC are doubly screwed.

I like that Agüero plays with plain black boots, it brings a touch of olde worlde tradition back to the EPL and I'll cling to anything these days.

― Ismael Klata, Sunday, September 11, 2011 1:21 PM (3 days ago)

FFS the real world can't even go a week without crushing me

i think this thread has made me realise that i don't like reading about football.

a ringing endorsement of ILF, that

I learnt a long time ago that if in the photo a player/manager is wearing an obvious sporting brand (as opposed to just their kit or normal attire) then you should be fine reading the first half the interview and then remember to stop because everything after that is just shilling you shit you don't want.

xp nah, i love discussion of football maybe more than i ever have, tbh. It's just lengthy written articles that fail to catch my interest.

What footballers have to say couldn't interest me less. I think pete and ithappens said it upthread, but you can't expect a player to have anything meaningful to say while they're still marketable, and even afer that there's few enough of them that engage. G Neville's been good, though. Was trying to watch sky sports saturday the last day and by the time merse and phil thompson had said their piece on stoke i was done. Pure ignorance, pubtalk, nothing bluster

been noticing recently that wayne rooney, especially in post match interviews, is just the most terrifyingly perfect of all footballers at coming out with the exact scripted straight bat responses every time. such a model automaton is he that you almost start to suspect sort of diabolical intelligence in him, idk

he doesn't blink

no he's quite natural! - like you can see in other players eyes they're restraining themselves - but natural only in saying the most artificial things

He's not though

yeah he's not though

he's completely white iirc.

Rooney's eyes are really weird, idk if it's just the way everything is filmed on BBC nowadays (well, like Dragons Den or the Apprentice where everyone has vivid eyes) but on Saturday's MOTD he looked like had doll's eyes, with quite long eyelashes. When he lies down they close gradually.

he has really long eyelashes tho, with very childlike eyes imo. Completely white.

he's completely white iirc.

this was fucked up

probably talked about on another thread, but it bears repeating

Think the NultBot 3000 might be a faulty prototype of this kind of thing tbh: http://www.mediabistro.com/galleycat/20-companies-using-computer-generated-stories-save-money-on-writers_b37987

xpost Anyone wearing plain black boots is doing so only because they don't have a kit sponsorship deal, so they'd rather black out all logos than let someone put a logo on their feet for which no money has changed hands.

warms the cockles of yer heart

It has been thus for many years ...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2001/may/07/mondaymediasection.football

yeah the subliminal stuff (and editorialising) i take as given but was it really ever thus that journos were forced to crowbar references to branded goods into the copy? maybe my memory is failing me but every time i see this it always rings a loud alarm

granted some journos are subtler about it (or less strongarmed, who knows) than others; it's one thing to be like "cattermole, speaking at hi-tec's free tibet campaign launch," rather than "cattermole sips his lucozade powervom fortified by minerals and ponders the question, a smile playing on his lips"

lol

That Aguero one upthread was quite startling, I grant you. My guess would be there was only one print slot available, and that was the promise extracted for a piece all the papers would have wanted. Doubt Ryan Shawcross, say, would get that quote published.

friend pointed out something similar to me from the cricket world the other day -

Just flicking through an evening standard. Small piece on surrey's cb40 semi final on sunday, with a few quotes from hamilton-brown. At the end, apropos of nothing, it says hamilton-brown is represented by the wasserman media group. What's that all about? Do u reckon he wouldnt talk to them unless they put that at the end?

Only when football catches up with the media model of American sport, where journalists are granted formalised and regular access to players

how does this work btw? centralised organisation is one thing sure but as a space for free media too?

I'm always slightly taken aback when in the aftermath of an NFL/NBA game you see a player at his locker with about 15 mics/tape recorders in his face being asked questions. The idea of 20+ print, radio and tv journo's in the dressing rooms at Old Trafford post game asking whatever the hell they want doesn't seem feasible tbh

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/oct/29/players-managers-bad-challenges

hayward can be bad but this isn't

www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/article-2054847/John-Terry-scandal-Des-Kelly-Football-tolerate-blind-spot-racism.html

surprisingly considered stuff from ver mail

anyone read an issue of the green soccer journal? it looks great. but i have no idea as to the quality of the writing.

i read this spanish mag called panenka, it's great. if you can read spanish.

I never read tabloid journalism or listen to radio phone-ins relating to English football, but I wondered if you had a media that is as suspicious of the internet as our mob up here. Whenever there is a groundswell of support for an idea (e.g. Fans Against Criminalisation, the idea that Rangers may generally be fucked), it is always dismissed as the work of tinfoil-hat-wearing wotsit-munching mentalists rather than of functioning intelligent human beings with a useful means of contact and research and an ready-made audience at their fingertips. I just wondered if this was particular to the dinosaur media up here? (Hats off to STV though, their twitter presence and engagement is excellent)

I got a subscription to When Saturday Comes for Christmas. First issue arrived in the week. I'd never read it before but it's so excellent - short articles thus far, and every one interesting.

surprised u never read it

So am I. Just got out of the habit of *buying* media I suppose, though a quick glance suggests their website's good too and I've never been on there either. I can't really explain it.

the last one i got had ramsey&theo on the cover and wasnt great but generally its pretty good

chilling parallels with arsenal tbh

I never read tabloid journalism or listen to radio phone-ins relating to English football, but I wondered if you had a media that is as suspicious of the internet as our mob up here. Whenever there is a groundswell of support for an idea (e.g. Fans Against Criminalisation, the idea that Rangers may generally be fucked), it is always dismissed as the work of tinfoil-hat-wearing wotsit-munching mentalists rather than of functioning intelligent human beings with a useful means of contact and research and an ready-made audience at their fingertips. I just wondered if this was particular to the dinosaur media up here? (Hats off to STV though, their twitter presence and engagement is excellent)

― ailsa, Sunday, 15 January 2012 10:13 (Yesterday)

If anything I think it has made clubs

-try to be even more secretive abt 'big issues'
-allow twitter for players who, lets be honest, dont ever really say anything newsworthy but makes it feel like the fans are more connected and inside because they read what jermaine jenas ate at pizza hut
-ignore message boards and blogs until they have a new shirt or dvd to sell, in which they use them as an promotional tool, knowing fans do read them. i'm more likely to find out that arsenal have a dvd of [xyz] because arseblog are doing a competition about it than because it is mentioned in the sun and that has to be the same all around by now. Again this makes them seem 'inclusive' or whatever when it really is just shilling.

I think we won't really find out until there is an arab spring of a football club (to use a very awkward metaphor). If Bolton are 100m in the shitter and with no prospects, how long is it until Bolton fans a) find out through blogs and b) get together to do something about it, like an Ebbsfleet for a Premiership team or something?

FC United?

oh yeah, like that.

The Black Scarf Movement?

I'm hoping that Rangers going tits up, as discussed on many a blog/messageboard for years while the traditional media fail to mention it and mutter about internet mentalist conspiracy, will be the thing up here that shifts the balance. There was definitely an undercurrent of suggesting that Hugh Dallas is no longer head of refereeing at the SFA because of meddling nerds rather than because he was a bigoted bastard in charge of a corrupt system exposed by a journalist who wrote on the internet rather than in a print publication. Antiquated old twats like Hugh Keevins and Jim Traynor have no idea how modern communication works.

The odd thing is that almost every fan under 40 reads blogs and gossip, right? Or at least 60%? I know some folk who are seem like the most casual fans who check out Swiss Ramble or at least f365 and talk about stuff you don't hear/read within trad media. Once a week you are also seeing some sort of club protest at places were the trad media aren't talking about problems (isn't every thing said on tv 'give kean a chance already people!' as opposed to 'hmmm maybe they have an issue with how venkys run the club?') and this is gonna have to reach a tipping point soon enough, right? TV pays for the Premiership, not the other way round but they act like they are muzzled by the Etihad and can't speak about actual stories.

(Could you imagine how essential viewing Football Focus would be if you just gave it to James Richardson and told he can go as far as he wants before the libel cases came in?)

Interesting horrifying-if-you're-a-Blackburn-fan stuff in the papers today about the Venky's bypassing their own board on major decisions like... who the manager should be.

Yeah, a hoy hoy, the TV perception of the Blackburn fans is a good case in point. It just baffles me how guys in the media can fail to capture what's going on with actual fans or with the world in general in terms of communication and chat, especially when it is done more publicly and on record than yer man chuntering on on the Clapham omnibus.

even the soccer saturday guys have closed ranks on blackburn, it's quite weird

the prob with the blackburn fans is just, at least superficially and in the way it is going to be perceived by outsiders, that a lot of their moaning is just bleating "keane out". venkys out i would have a lot more sympathy with.

They only talk to each other, no? Explains why the occasional cheating, diving foreigner is incongruously fair game, like I dunno Christian Gross or Massimo Taibi. Steve Kean was one too until Ferguson and Moyes pitched in.

keane out, venky's out, i've no quarrel with either tbh. He's the front, the plant, the mouthpiece, the cuckoo's egg. A win or two doesn't alter that in any way.

Yeah but the 'don't be mean to kean!' line seems so uptight and against what fans feel, it borders on ludicrous.

"there was a staleness about them that invited harm"

this is a mccarra phrase from a long-forgotten match report that has inexplicably forever lodged itself in my mind

― r|t|c, Monday, 4 April 2011 20:55 (1 year ago) Bookmark

this has recently been superseded by "the evening fell under the control of marcelo bielsa's squad" just fyi

Adel Taarabt causes trouble. Despite his undoubted talent, Tottenham gave up on Taarabt. So, earlier this season, did Ian Holloway. On Saturday, Mark Hughes, who has replaced Holloway as manager, started his mercurial midfielder against his former club.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/peter_berlin/04/21/premier.league.thoughts/index.html