ice hockey does have offsides btw, although it is not quite the same as in football
― mookieproof, Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:41 (twelve years ago) link
it would be worth considering having a giant nose tackle built player, even more emphasis on fat over muscle, and just having him get in the keeper's way constantly
― Roberto Spiralli, Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:42 (twelve years ago) link
i have always kind of hated offside but thanks to this thought experiment i am finally coming round to it
― Roberto Spiralli, Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:43 (twelve years ago) link
i dont watch hockey but when i was searching for infos on abolishing football offsides i read something i think abt them doing away w/it in international hockey
― lag∞n, Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:44 (twelve years ago) link
haha xp
i kinda think MLS should abolish offsides and change some other rules because thatd be an awesome disrespectful american thing to do, and i mean why not before you just have another second rate league, now you have a crazy second rate league thats a laboratory for the rest of the world and everyone has opinons abt it
― lag∞n, Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:47 (twelve years ago) link
joe, prophet of d∞m
― electric point-electric counterpoint (m bison), Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:49 (twelve years ago) link
MLS is doing ok for a teenaged soccer league
― electric point-electric counterpoint (m bison), Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:50 (twelve years ago) link
#footieconcepts
― lag∞n, Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:50 (twelve years ago) link
who is futbol's Jeff van gundy
ya i watched an mls game the other day an i was impressed w/the enthusiasm and number of fans, but i still think itd be better if it went crazy
― lag∞n, Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:51 (twelve years ago) link
btw why is the olympics 23 and under expect 3 guys, thats really strange
― lag∞n, Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:52 (twelve years ago) link
compromise to amateurism of olympics while still trying to have some ppl who can play soccer
― Roberto Spiralli, Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:53 (twelve years ago) link
but none of the other sports do that
― lag∞n, Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:53 (twelve years ago) link
nba is considering it
― mookieproof, Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:54 (twelve years ago) link
football is easily the best sport in the world, doesnt need rule changes
this is pathetic btw:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJEnwi7otu0
― moullet, Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:54 (twelve years ago) link
ya IMO that's fucking dumbdidn't you gits learn anything about THE DREM TEAM
― electric point-electric counterpoint (m bison), Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:54 (twelve years ago) link
― lag∞n, Sunday, July 29, 2012 12:47 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i like this
― Al S. Burr! (k3vin k.), Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:54 (twelve years ago) link
if it were the full teams it might draw too much attention away from the other stuff
― iatee, Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:55 (twelve years ago) link
David stern doesn't want his precious toys to be opened and become near-mint condition
― electric point-electric counterpoint (m bison), Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:55 (twelve years ago) link
Olympics should be, as a rule, dopest players v dopest players
― moullet, Sunday, July 29, 2012 12:54 PM (22 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
even if its the best, doesnt mean it cant be improved, thinking otherwise is a setup for DOWNFALL
― lag∞n, Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:56 (twelve years ago) link
tbh it would be hard to gaf about olympic soccer if there were no restrictions. with something like basketball it is p much your only chance to roll out a national side, so i can understand the appeal more.
― Roberto Spiralli, Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:56 (twelve years ago) link
ya but if it really is the dopest soccer players then you basically have the world cup on top of the olympics
― iatee, Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:56 (twelve years ago) link
even if there were no restrictions
besides, U23 wd mean Michael Jordan can't declare Tunisian citizenship and have one more go in 2016
― electric point-electric counterpoint (m bison), Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:57 (twelve years ago) link
every sport could use some tweaks, most of my problems with soccer are w/ the ridiculous amount of flopping but i understand it is like bit even cool to bring this up
― Al S. Burr! (k3vin k.), Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:57 (twelve years ago) link
that was an xp to m bison xp to rs
― iatee, Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:57 (twelve years ago) link
yeah mine was an xp to myself
― Roberto Spiralli, Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:58 (twelve years ago) link
bit = not
― Al S. Burr! (k3vin k.), Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:58 (twelve years ago) link
abolish XPs
― electric point-electric counterpoint (m bison), Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:58 (twelve years ago) link
― Roberto Spiralli, Sunday, July 29, 2012 12:56 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
basketball actually has a world cup tournament every four years that apparently everyone save the usa takes more seriously than the olympics
― lag∞n, Sunday, 29 July 2012 17:00 (twelve years ago) link
― iatee, Sunday, July 29, 2012 12:56 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
this would be awesome tho, and tbf its a mini world cup cause half as many teams
ya but think of the synchronized swimmers, who is gonna watch them when they're on at the same time as brazil vs spain
― iatee, Sunday, 29 July 2012 17:01 (twelve years ago) link
xps oh lol, who knew? don't they do something like that with baseball too, between PR, DR and Japan?
― Roberto Spiralli, Sunday, 29 July 2012 17:01 (twelve years ago) link
already have the euro during olympic years
― mookieproof, Sunday, 29 July 2012 17:01 (twelve years ago) link
world baseball classic, coming this march
― mookieproof, Sunday, 29 July 2012 17:02 (twelve years ago) link
it is a joek
basketball world cup is p sweet tho obvs itd be better if the usa wasnt so superior to everyone else, tho they have due to a combination of single elimination format, international rules, top players opting out, and bad officiating actually lost a couple times
― lag∞n, Sunday, 29 July 2012 17:05 (twelve years ago) link
top players have pretty busy schedules with their clubs in all these sports. i can see getting up for an olympics or world cup every four years, but fuck a davis cup
― mookieproof, Sunday, 29 July 2012 17:12 (twelve years ago) link
leave the davis cup for tennis or golf or whatever
― electric point-electric counterpoint (m bison), Sunday, 29 July 2012 17:12 (twelve years ago) link
sports where both teams rack up big scores have other pleasures but the act of scoring itself is diminished in them imo
that's why i like basketball, because scoring itself is often (like every few points) extremely entertaining, involving dunks, layups, fakes, etc
itd just be school yard soccer
strikes me as correct OR you could just watch indoor soccer and see what you think of that
― the late great, Sunday, 29 July 2012 18:36 (twelve years ago) link
lol it would resemble neither, how ridiculous
― lag∞n, Sunday, 29 July 2012 18:53 (twelve years ago) link
its like saying the only thing separating the nba from a pick up game is the three second rule
― lag∞n, Sunday, 29 July 2012 18:54 (twelve years ago) link
you can play zone d in the nba now; that's the only thing separating it from pickup
― mookieproof, Sunday, 29 July 2012 18:57 (twelve years ago) link
wtf did ILF turn into bigsoccer
― DX Dx DX (dan m), Sunday, 29 July 2012 19:09 (twelve years ago) link
i'm not suggesting it'd be indoor soccer (cause it's not indoors and the ball doesn't bounce off walls and it's not played like five per side) just that maybe indoor soccer is something to think about (cf NV bringing up hockey)
― the late great, Sunday, 29 July 2012 19:12 (twelve years ago) link
actually doesn't hockey have an offsides rule too, isn't that what "icing" is?
― the late great, Sunday, 29 July 2012 19:13 (twelve years ago) link
icing is different from offsides
― mookieproof, Sunday, 29 July 2012 19:13 (twelve years ago) link
could we have a thread about promotion/relegation in MLS next plz
xp offside in hockey is the exact same concept except the blue line is the threshold instead of the last defender.
― DX Dx DX (dan m), Sunday, 29 July 2012 19:14 (twelve years ago) link
Per OP 11 years ago, think they've tried getting rid of offside many times and you just get all the strikers hanging around the box with the midfielders hoofing the ball in their direction. If that's what you want to see then fair enough.
― the world is your octopus (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, September 5, 2023 2:33 PM (forty minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
theyve never tried getting rid off offsides, at least not over a long enough stretch to let real strategy evolve, and i suspect just kicking it into the box wouldnt be where it would land, tho it would def stretch the field so to speak
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 5 September 2023 19:20 (one year ago) link
they have to start bringing it back to the original intent
this millimetre centimetre bullshit is destroying the game trevor
― close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Tuesday, 5 September 2023 21:36 (one year ago) link
xp yeah it's only ever been trialled in lower leagues, sure it wouldn't be quite the same over a period of time in the premiership, but it would still change the game fundamentally, there would be much less movement.would agree completely that it's much, much too strict and applied too pedantically these days.
― the world is your octopus (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 5 September 2023 21:44 (one year ago) link
I mean they could always go back to the old rule where even being even is offside.
That will not at all fix the obsession with frame by frame advance but if ur a fan of offside calls boy would u be thrilled
― Dinglebert Humperstink (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 5 September 2023 21:48 (one year ago) link
The line drawing is nonsense. If we must have var then they should show the var people a freeze frame of the moment the pass is made and the attacker and last defender, if they can't tell from that picture if the player is offside or not then the goal stands. Mostly they won't be able to tell and we'll be back to the pre var days of level is onside advantage to the attacker
― oscar bravo, Tuesday, 5 September 2023 21:48 (one year ago) link
What they should do is just play the entire match, no VAR at all, then after the match they VAR the whole thing and tell you what the official final score is
― Dinglebert Humperstink (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 5 September 2023 21:49 (one year ago) link
People always say "you will have a problem with this until it's your team benefitting from it" and it's like "well sure if we're gonna be fucked by it it's only fair we have some go out way too" but that doesn't mean I enjoy it.
Getting bailed out by VAR for something like that always cheapens victories for me as a fan and ruins the viewing experience even more as a neutral spectator.
I don't mind VAR for PKs and red card offenses but even then they shouldn't be allowed to frame by frame
― Dinglebert Humperstink (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 5 September 2023 21:56 (one year ago) link
Do they do this at non-sports jobs?
"You are appealing being fired for smoking on company grounds. We reviewed the security footage with an independent auditor and on frame by frame advance you can see your left foot was inside company grounds.
Your termination is upheld
― Dinglebert Humperstink (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 5 September 2023 21:58 (one year ago) link
it's still mad shit that Dixie Dean managed to score 60 goals in 39 games in the offside rule era.
― vodkaitamin effrtvescent (calzino), Tuesday, 5 September 2023 21:58 (one year ago) link
― Dinglebert Humperstink (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 5 September 2023 21:49 (twenty-one minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
love this tbh
― close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Tuesday, 5 September 2023 22:12 (one year ago) link
the thing is
weve seen absolutely bullshit calls under var since the start, from deciding not to review to deciding not to call the ref over to the ref deciding not to change decision
weve seen clearly offside players and lines that are almost comicallydrawn to get the goal to stand, handballs that were never handballs before and blatant handballs not called
not to turn it partisan but the same clubs get calls from cunt refs and the only thing var has changed is that its more of a disgrace
junk it altogether at this stage
― close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Tuesday, 5 September 2023 22:16 (one year ago) link
yes so many wrong decisions but the main problem for me is that they started from the assumption that the more 'correct' decisions you get per match no matter what that does to the flow of the game the 'better' it is for the sport. var has made watching football worse imo.to go back to the original post about scrapping offside my answer would be no because one of the most thrilling things in football is the perfectly timed run/pass to beat offside and leave a one-on-one with the goalie and if you don't enjoy that then maybe football isn't the sport for you.
― oscar bravo, Wednesday, 6 September 2023 06:13 (one year ago) link
maybe its not for you
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 6 September 2023 06:16 (one year ago) link
p sure it is but you do you
― oscar bravo, Wednesday, 6 September 2023 06:36 (one year ago) link
maybe that expression isnt for you
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 6 September 2023 06:41 (one year ago) link