https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--CdA8IhE6Q
I could maybe have collapsed 'best clubs' and 'football culture' into one option - I don't suppose regard for Hackney Marshes figures highly in the world's regard for the epl, whereas this guy can imagine himself a gooner. Maybe only hooligan fetishists could point to a general love separate from Big Club X, and that's been long ironed out of the story.
I reckon the full grounds and noise must be a decent selling-point though.
― Ismael Klata, Sunday, 3 February 2013 21:57 (eleven years ago) link
'end to end' fitba and aggro atmosphere are less important than marketing reasons
homogenous, well presented, predictable product (like no disputes over whether the season will start on time as in spain)
games played at convenient times for overseas audience
maybe most importantly, foreign epl benefits from english speaking population in usa, india, se asia etc with natural affinity for anglo products, secondary coverage in a language they understand, can follow domestic fitba blather from afar......germany or italy have a layer of alienation here
― every soulless meta poster is a ✰ (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Sunday, 3 February 2013 22:10 (eleven years ago) link
I'm not sure, end-to-end and blood-and-guts (not that there's so much of the latter anymore) does make for a spectacle that you don't have to be particularly sophisticated, or even a football fan, to enjoy. I'm thinking of the Chinese bloke next to me at the 'Nal-Spurs 5-2 last season, who only turned up at half-time, spent the whole 45 minutes on his mobile, yet jumped up & down at every goal having the time of his life.
I doubt that type of fan is as drawn to a tactically compelling Serie A nil-nil.
― Ismael Klata, Sunday, 3 February 2013 22:23 (eleven years ago) link
yes because that is exactly representative of the difference between the two leagues
― every soulless meta poster is a ✰ (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Sunday, 3 February 2013 22:25 (eleven years ago) link
Serie A's taken a slapstick turn recently in fairness, but it hardly trades on it
― Ismael Klata, Sunday, 3 February 2013 22:27 (eleven years ago) link
and i think you have conflated the 'naive foreign epl viewer' archetype with someone who actually bought a ticket to watch arsenal and could have been the architect of the sinosophere's most devoted carl jenkinson tumblr page for all you knew
― every soulless meta poster is a ✰ (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Sunday, 3 February 2013 22:28 (eleven years ago) link
Indeed, but if he lives for Jenk you'd think he'd've turned up on time
― Ismael Klata, Sunday, 3 February 2013 22:32 (eleven years ago) link
though yes, I accept he may have been dictating liveblog copy
― Ismael Klata, Sunday, 3 February 2013 22:33 (eleven years ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.
― System, Monday, 4 February 2013 00:01 (eleven years ago) link
i'll have to agree with nakh's answer. living in asia, the only football games you get at decent hours are the english ones. the epl is also damn good at marketing itself, organising summer tours in asia, sponsoring mr potato crisps (god how i loved going to the supermaket and seeing rooney's ugly face on bags of crisps). i really need to put up some of the pictures of very random sponsored items i saw here and there some are hilarious. this is a self-sustaining cycle - you only see the epl, keep hearing that it's the best league in the world, so you want to watch only the epl, where you keep hearing it's the best league in the world and so on.
tbh though, in my random conversations with malaysian taxi drivers sporting arsenal, liverpool, manU/C, chelsea flags in their cars, most would agree that the best team and player in the world were barcelona+messi. but not only are the games at horrible times (clasico starting at 10pm in spain= 5am in malaysia), the other feeling is that there's only those two teams. la liga really suffers from this impression there's a lack of competition, whereas the epl has 4-5 teams who look like they can compete (even though who are we kidding, manU/C are the only likely winners).
― Jibe, Monday, 4 February 2013 05:20 (eleven years ago) link
haha i remembered you were in malaysia, home of ilx favourite and old trafford hoardings staple MISTER POTATO, but i never put the two together
― every soulless meta poster is a ✰ (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Monday, 4 February 2013 05:40 (eleven years ago) link
not in malaysia anymore, though i hope to get back there soon, but the mr potato thing was really hilarious. my other favorite was a branded "manchester united champions roll-on deodorant". i've yet to come across any funny epl marketing in india but i'm sure i'll find some soon enough.
― Jibe, Monday, 4 February 2013 05:49 (eleven years ago) link
the intensely shouty trailers for the 'liverpool vs chelsea' nollywood film from a few years back seemed like one of the more potent foreign reimaginings of the epl
― ogmor, Monday, 4 February 2013 09:52 (eleven years ago) link
germany or italy have a layer of alienation here
I only have Freeview, whereas it seems like a few of the football nuts here seem to have access to every major league in the world, but I always try to catch the Bundesliga higlights show, which is on where... ITV4? Think I'd rather watch the Bundesliga than have the Premiership rammed down my gullet 24/7. Also I like how the big Teutonic blonde they've got to present it doesn't speak very good English, I mean out of all the big Teutonic blondes they could have hired in Germany....
― Designated Striver (Tom D.), Monday, 4 February 2013 11:16 (eleven years ago) link
Ive got setanta, espn as part of my cable bundle. I would use the brother's sky go but it's total shit so i stream anything else. CL is rte. Tbh i dont watch that much footy tho.
― ben foster five (darraghmac), Monday, 4 February 2013 11:26 (eleven years ago) link
How the game is played there - lol no.The rolling soap opera off the pitch - depressing rather than entertaining for the past couple of yearsThe biggest stars play there - manifestly untrueIt has the best clubs - manifestly untrue except Spurs obviouslyEngland's football culture - being priced out of Premiership gamesBecause you can't avoid it - probably, also y'know it's here, I'd never be able to get the same level of emotional attachment to any other league even if I watched it every weeknobody outside England thinks it's tblitw - not true either
― Matt DC, Monday, 4 February 2013 11:34 (eleven years ago) link
We've already discussed this tho iirc, in direct relation to why england has tblitw but are shit internationally. It's the addiction to thundering melodrama thing.
― ben foster five (darraghmac), Monday, 4 February 2013 11:37 (eleven years ago) link
England's football culture - and this is different from anyone else's in what way?
― Designated Striver (Tom D.), Monday, 4 February 2013 11:37 (eleven years ago) link
Also the soap opera element isn't exactly a novelty in world football
― Designated Striver (Tom D.), Monday, 4 February 2013 11:42 (eleven years ago) link
There are some ways I think - more people going to games (the Championship is the real unique thing here), fan culture (though this is a residue of the dark days and dying of old age shortly imo), home of football (Wembley in particular seems to inspire slightly bewildering reverence), perception of fair play (Bobby Charlton, Gary Lineker, maybe Beckham even)
― Ismael Klata, Monday, 4 February 2013 11:43 (eleven years ago) link
Don't know the stats on yr first point, the rest is bollocks tho
― Designated Striver (Tom D.), Monday, 4 February 2013 11:45 (eleven years ago) link
Gary Lineker? The guy whose diving brought England to the verge of World Cup glory in 1990?
― Designated Striver (Tom D.), Monday, 4 February 2013 11:47 (eleven years ago) link
The Championship is something like the fourth-best-attended league in Europe iirc
Eh and hold on - those Cameroon ones weren't penalties?
― Ismael Klata, Monday, 4 February 2013 11:48 (eleven years ago) link
I don't remember exactly which penalties he dived for tbh. There is a missing option in the is poll, "Because we say we are".
― Designated Striver (Tom D.), Monday, 4 February 2013 11:51 (eleven years ago) link
average totalBundesliga 45,179 13,805,496EPL 34,601 13,148,465La Liga 30,275 11,504,567Championship 17,738 9,791,690Serie A 23,459 7,765,082
― Ismael Klata, Monday, 4 February 2013 11:54 (eleven years ago) link
The really impressive thing about that poll is the Bundesliga averages! That's a big gap to second place.
― Designated Striver (Tom D.), Monday, 4 February 2013 11:58 (eleven years ago) link
I believe the depth of support in English football and the following of the lower leagues is stronger than elsewhere in Europe but let's not pretend The Best League In The World is concerned with that.
― Matt DC, Monday, 4 February 2013 11:58 (eleven years ago) link
Bundesliga stadia still have terraces, which is a big part of it.
Actually Bundesliga 2 pushes the Championship close in average attendance, but has much fewer games so the total is only a bit over half.
― Ismael Klata, Monday, 4 February 2013 11:59 (eleven years ago) link
(xp) and it's cheaper too?
― Designated Striver (Tom D.), Monday, 4 February 2013 12:02 (eleven years ago) link
Just to be clear, not a person posting here believes that the epl is 'the best league in the world', which is a very different thing than tblitw.
― ben foster five (darraghmac), Monday, 4 February 2013 12:17 (eleven years ago) link
itt ppl pretend like last season wasn't the most ridiculous gripping fun
this season is the nasty hangover though i'll grant u
― r|t|c, Monday, 4 February 2013 12:20 (eleven years ago) link
tbh the epl is blitw a bit by default? to most people, la liga is two teams and 18 sparring partners, bundesliga= bayern and 17 other teams with unwieldy names and then there's serie A, whose claim to greatness lies more in its past than current situation.
― Jibe, Monday, 4 February 2013 13:01 (eleven years ago) link
The grass is literally greener
― ben foster five (darraghmac), Monday, 4 February 2013 13:16 (eleven years ago) link
Tempo
― Canaille help you (Michael White), Monday, 4 February 2013 15:03 (eleven years ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.
― System, Tuesday, 5 February 2013 00:01 (eleven years ago) link
On Mancini's future Quinn added: "It's hard to say Mancini is not the right man. He's brought the title there after all these years.
"In any sane, civilised league, you would think he would be given more time but the Premier League is the most high-powered, fascinating, atmospherically-charged league in the world and with that comes the price to be paid for managers looking for time."
― r|t|c, Tuesday, 9 April 2013 13:18 (eleven years ago) link
Get that man a sub-editor.
― Ismael Klata, Tuesday, 9 April 2013 13:24 (eleven years ago) link
every time i hear 'EPL' now i think of
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wg5amJgH7sc
― Nilmar Honorato da Silva, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 15:25 (eleven years ago) link
suggest that NBC nix this 'BPL' shit and shore up the EDL name with gritty intertitles of remedial trash grunting E E EPL
― Nilmar Honorato da Silva, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 15:27 (eleven years ago) link
11 likes 11 dislikes, a nation divided
good chant though, and I note the uploader takes his name from an SL2 banger
― Ismael Klata, Tuesday, 20 August 2013 17:18 (eleven years ago) link
the bobbling transparent plastic umbrella as favoured by some elderly shoppers near me is the dark heart of that vid.
― Fizzles, Friday, 23 August 2013 06:34 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3308370/Leicester-City-s-match-ball-delivered-helicopter-Premier-League-clubs-mark-Remembrance-Sunday-poppy-displays.html
― Sean Daesh (nakhchivan), Saturday, 7 November 2015 22:42 (eight years ago) link
tragically 239 fans were subsequently shot for deserting their post before the half time whistle
― John Dope Assos (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 7 November 2015 23:05 (eight years ago) link
I love all these clubs and am so glad that they took the time to celebrate this hard earned golden era of international world peace that we currently live in thanks to our armed forces. Ranieri looks a bit spooked, maybe a spectral El Duce was giving him some gyp!
― xelab, Sunday, 8 November 2015 01:23 (eight years ago) link