Rolling Football Manager Tactics Log

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Burton Albion - first season - 4-5-1 away, 4-4-2 home struggling to score with 1 striker

stade rennais fc - 4-3-2-1. briand up front, golden shoe winner 3 years in a row

Ooh christmas tree!

my game died but before then I had Charlton playing

    GK
      CH      CH
RB        AM       LB
     PM      REG
         TRAQ
DRW           POACH

and Arsenal playing

     GK
RB     CH       CH     LB
       AM       PM
RW               IF
        TM COMPLETE

Charlton were fluid, p wide, v high line, Counter - made it from league 1 to europa playing like that. (am = anchor man, pm = playmaker, reg = registra (the pirlo, alonso role), drw = defensive right winger).

Arsenal were very fluid, Control, tight back line, kinda wide (if = inside forward w/ arshavin or nasri, tm = target man)

I tend to match up with whoever I'm playing except I hate playing 4-4-2 so if faced with it go to 4-2-3-1 DEEP and play through the middle. Had some success vs 3-5-2's by countering with 3-4-3 to give the oppositions back 3 something to think about. Tends to work in the first half before they adjust at half time. My default setting is 4-2-3-1 with no crossing 'tho.

am a martyr to width and juan riquelme so appropriately enough i've got a 4-1-1-3-1 crucifix thing on the go now. basically i'm letting the oppo have most of the possession, restrict them to long shots, and hope to hit them with the quick breaks; pretty shaky but surprisingly effective on the whole.

(this is pretty much where i was a few months ago, haven't been playing it really.)

probably gonna have to switch it up soon cos my crucial anchor man anthony annan is a violent sod even tho i tell him to go easy and now he's banned for a bit.

I have been totally murdered every time I've tried to play fluid football in League 1.

(Am shamelessly pinching ideas here btw)

i started out as a classic 442 with wingers at spurs. fired after 3 months. never gone back since. the christmas tree is superior imo, as long as you got players with decent passing skills and a strong target.

NV - When I was in League 1 I'd go fluid for home games, rigid for away games (and the occasional change depending on whether opposition was top or bottom of the table)

442 is dead in the water imo.

^ you know its time is well and truly up when even neil warnock doesn't fuck with it any more

I feel much the same way but get much improved chances on goal with 2 strikers. Don't like 3-5-2 much and don't have the midfield at Burton to fuck with it. What else do y'all fancy as a 2 striker set-up?

5-3-2 with marauding full backs and a modern sweeper ?

love that site. y'know I do have a guy who might just fit the Happy Shopper Busquets role.

I have an important question to ask about 3-5-2 / 5-3-2. Does it go in here or do we need to get an "Andy Townsend's Tactics Van" kind of thread on the go?

depends if its a real life question or a football manager one. feel free to start an "andy townsend's tactics van" thread if only because the name makes me giggle.

I'm eternally amazed that Townsend's 'career' survived that whole period. It was so bad it was beyond parody.

Pat Nevin used to have a tactics van on Five, too. Not seen that for a while.

Found what I was looking for, but should defo have a thread with the above title.

what was yr question?

Just wondering what the norm is for teams who play 3-5-2 when it comes to defending. I remember Jason McAteer saying that at Liverpool the right or left winger would drop back to create a back 4 (depending on what side of the pitch the ball was on), but also heard of instances when one of the CMs would drop back into defence to play as a CB, with the players on the right and left of the 3 becoming the RB and LB of the back 4. Come to the conclusion that it depends on what players you have at your disposal and what their strengths and weaknesses are.

Yeah exackly. In FM terms the left and right "wings" need to have good defensive ability and plenty of stamina, talked about this with darragh elsewhere but they tend to function almost as advanced wing backs. But I've tried playing a system where the left and right central mids act defensively and the wide players are more orthodox wingers. You could use either system but in real terms it means your 3-5-2 is really a 3-2-3-2 or a 5-3-2.

great & vital thread. When's fm2011 out?

Only tinkered round with spurs on new one, had some joy with 451

but thats with inside forwards either side of a centre fwd, mind.

is there enough material out there for an amusingly named regens thread? just saw man utd on mine have a striker called carlo bruni.

Quoc Long.

more a nice bit of unexpected multiculturalism than amusing, but I have a Scottish striker named Liu Zhengxiang.

recently came across the brazilian wonderkid george lucas

Just scouted Dick.

My default setting is 4-2-3-1 with no crossing 'tho.

How do you set no crossing? I don't think I've missed that option (FM10). I've been playing the same formation with some success at Arsenal (after a year of sticking too rigidly to 4-1-2-2-1 and an endless parade of 0-0 draws against mid table teams) and almost every cross goes nowhere. Although at least since I brought Shawcross in corners aren't as much of a waste of time as they used to be.

I've seen that option, even.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Lucas_Coser

btw

My 'no crossing' is an exaggeration. I just set all the midfielders, and sometimes the full backs, in player instructions to - crossing=rarely, and then cross from= byline. This results in very very few crossing attempts, if the players go down the wing they usually mostly try to play back to the edge of the box along the deck.

Ah, I haven't got into playing around with individual player settings too much so far. That sounds like it would solve my problem, thanks!

since I brought Shawcross in

Not that kind of manager

why no crossing? i get like a 1/3 of my goals that way. ok ok i usually always play w/ someone 6'4" with 18+s for heading, strength and jumping but thats only sensible imo.

i'm not a big fan of crossing either. defensive players usually outrank offensive players when it comes to heading etc so it seems logical to me.

I do see it as some kind of moral betrayal to play with wingers tbh.

needs s setting for 'low crosses' tbph, so that crouch's height advantage works when sliding in at least.

^^^^This! I get so infuriated by the lack of a good hard low cross into the near post.

"Keith Andrews has been sensational today! QPR couldn't handle him!"

it's time to pack this in, isnt it.

Have got the Orient into the playoffs in my second season playing 4-2DMs-2Wingers-2Target Men but it has been falling apart since March/April and have gone from fighting for automatic promotion to the last play off spot. Dunno what to do to beat the Dons, my team really is built to be very good at one thing. Maybe change one of my big forwards for a second striker in the hole, even though the guy is just nowhere as good? Or just hope being in the playoffs recovers some confidence in them?

promoted! fuck you colchester, i just destroyed yo azzzzzzzzzzzzz. (ended up playing 4-5-1 with 3 DMs because they have a really good playmaker who has the most assists/best pass rate in the league and they nullified him better than if rafa was his coach

\o/

(i would have put in a central midfielder instead of one of the forwards, so not far off what you did.)

Have Nottingham Forest in their 2nd season in the Premier League and my team is unreliable as fuck. They'll stomp on the best teams in the league away and then play the next match like they've never seen a pitch before. Nearly every match I have players on ratings around 5.5 and I can rarely get anyone to perform above 8. I know part of the problem is they're playing over their heads, but you guys know any way to get them going better? The good performances seem totally random. I would love to scream at them personally but there's no option here for "Does anyone on this team give a fuck?"

Sure there is. Have one-to-ones with your most unreliable, there should be an option for 'fucking play like this anymore and you're being sold or dropped to the reserves etc.'

How are you set up? Just because pretty football is pretty and comes with some moral high ground of how you'd love the game to be played irl... well, its not real life, so fuck 'em.

One thing that often gets forgotten is setting your team up around your best player(s). So so much of my game went through my right wing this season and full backs and defensive mids were playing to cover my guy, my forward on that side to try and piss off the defenders around him etc. and ok its lower down the leagues so ymmv in the premiership but it was so effective.

always seem to have a formation that works beautifully for 3 months and then grinds to a horrible halt. finding a lower league dude that can play lone front man is tough

I'm on FM10 and I have a 4-2-3-1 running that's been effective when the players can be bothered. We're not conceding many goals (except every once in a while when the whole back line just goes to sleep) but my highest goal scorer has 5 and it's the end of December. The problem is I have a small core of high quality players and it's those that keep crapping out. So if I bench one of them each time they have a completely ineffective game, I'd be playing veterans who really ought to be a league or two below. We can create 2-3 chances every game but we're unlikely to actually put the ball in the back of the net.
One week after beating Arsenal at the Emirates, we lost to Man U. at home despite the fact that we had more shots, more shots on target, more chances and 60-40 possession. My attacking mid and my striker had ratings of 5.8 and 5.5. Ugh I seriously just want to kick these people.

i balled out Shaun Harrad today for being a feckless cunt

(IN THE GAME, irl Shaun, IN THE GAME)

soum arrad

Currently managing Cambridge City in the Conference in 2014. Thought we were doing alright signing Jimmy Bullard. Then it turned out that, in 2013, Bromley signed:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v622/thingummy99/Picture1-8.png

Teamwork:1

lol

We played Bromley a game or two after I found that out. He didn't even make the bench. It's a pity, I was gonna get Bullard to man-mark him.

http://www.ilxor.com/ILX/NewAnswersControllerServlet?boardid=67

holy shit a consortium take over has left me rich! Rich I tell you! No more of this languishing around the relegation places, I'm upgrading my stadium and buying Titus Bramble*!

*seemingly the only player who cares to come to a rich Leyton Orient

the only time i ever got a huge cash injection turned out to be an April Fool's gag

One very stupid thing I have done: After getting promoted, I decided I'd buy a whole new front line and attacking midfield, thinking I'd need to win games to stay up. However I still essentially have a League 1 back 4 w/ Titus and an awesome 17 year old left back and I'm losing 4-0 every week to everyone.

also if you change half yr team overnight it takes months for the new lot to gel

yeah but considering who i had i would have preferred a bunch on ungelled potential superstars to a bunch of shitkicking cloggers.

basically i'm going to get sacked any day unless they give me some of that sweet sweet january money (i spent my budget)

OK HOLY SHIT THE BOARD CELEBRATE A SECOND YEAR IN THE PREMIERSHIP WITH ANNOUNCING PLANS TO BUILD A 125k SEATER STADIUM. BIGGER THAN THE NOU CAMP! 10 TIMES WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE!

and they are paying for it all, so its a free stadium :DDDDDDDDDDDD

i knew turning down liverpool was the right idea

What do ppl do with the older versions of this game when they upgrade, just put them on the shelf or resell?

lol the other day i came across like 06, 07 and 08 and just binned them. just by nature they really date themselves and i dunno if anyone would want to buy it and be all "hey im managing a newcastle team with kluivert in it!"

gahh I totally would've paid you postage for one of those. Never played it before but I'm more interested in alternate-universe scenarios like Kluivert setting the Prem on fire than 18 y.o. prodigies.

125k O_O. did some carefree oligarch buy you or did the already loaded owner only just now start caring?

bought by a danish consortium. presume that means they work in pastries instead of being vikings.

holy shit a consortium take over has left me rich! Rich I tell you! No more of this languishing around the relegation places, I'm upgrading my stadium and buying Titus Bramble*!

*seemingly the only player who cares to come to a rich Leyton Orient

― Ravaging Rick Rude (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 20 September 2011 21:51 (1 week ago)

sergio aruejo may share a nationality and a similar looking name, but he is no fucking aguero. 20m on the fucker for him to be injured 5 months and then get 2 in TWENTY

i hope they let me name the new place when its finished

decided i needed to sign another striker who could finish and ended up with jozy altidore because no one wants to join nottm forest even though we're on track to get into europe this season. he's scored 9 in 10 starts, 5 man of match. not bad!

:D

lost 3-0 away to Stoke on the first day of the season, need to sort this shit out

omg why doesnt print screen work on fm11?

KAKA SIGNS FOR LEYTON ORIENT

LEYTON ORIENT, CHAMPIONS OF EUROPE*

*via Europa League

:D

36 games into an ubeaten season + 2 cup finals left /= perfect time for the game to freeze. also goodbye 1 *incredible* goalkeeper regen i was gonna sell my current #1 for in the summer, my last save was 4 days before the regen date.

http://i.imgur.com/yPjGV2T.png?1

My pride and joy. Sorry if that comes out massive, I have images off so I can't really tell

too slow for epl imo

half price on Steam, i get home on Monday with a week til i go back to work hmmmm

Exams and projects and new job looming hmmmmm

oh i probably won't succumb i have new year lyfe projects in mind but fuck it FM keeps me sane and warm

ok so ive wanted a new game for a while and after pissing around at a couple different clubs looking for a project, ive decided to go with a "never buy players" route. im wondering whether free transfers are allowed and im definitely gonna cheat a bit come regen day but here we go. decided on chelsea btw, just for the ease of having the best reserves/youths/loans and of course a v good first team so i can have my stuff in order by the time the next gen rolls over.

Still playing FM10 even though I've got '14 fresh in the box and ready to go (think I'll wait until after the World Cup before firing it up).

The year is 2040 and I've just retained the Prem for the 3rd year in a row and am about to face Bayern Munich in the home leg of the Champions Cup semi-final (first leg 2-2). More importantly, MAN UTD HAVE JUST BEEN RELEGATED FROM THE PREMIER LEAGUE.

I think Ed Woodward must still be involved somewhere. In an effort to stave off relegation they bought
28 yr old Sunderland winger Gary Malcolm for £12.75m in the January window. With relegation confirmed they have put him up for sale. Asking price? £84m!! No interested parties as yet.

xp

your simulation appears to be out by 25 years or so

i am now playing mostly 4-4-2 btw, something i never thought i'd do. except by using roles and duties it's really a lot more fluid than that, but starting wingers from deep and defensive mids from the middle of the park definitely seems the way to go now

i got fired within two years and started again btw. now arsenal have won the cl 3 years in a row with neymar (at 80m) and lewandowski (for free) upfront.

also ended up with willian, javi martinez and pique in big fire sales. possibly my most decadant game EVER. also bid 80+m for both gotze and thiago but couldnt get their teams to budge.

Arsenal as a superpower!

Found it happened too often in this game that people with mad stacks of potential who came highly recommended by my scouts were just coming up for free / on the cheap in every transfer window. Yassine Benzia, Domenico Berardi, James Ward-Prowse, Tonny Trinidade de Vilhena. Shouldn't be getting players like that at the age of 21/22 on free transfers, idk if it was a bug or what. Otoh it was quite good fun selling them all for about £40 million a few years later to reinvest in lovely regens.

My tactics are just the usual thing on these games really, 4-2-3-1 with a solid defence, a well-balanced midfield and then a revolving cast of attacking talent playing in different combinations in the front four with roles and duties in attack changing depending on what the opposition are doing. Though a favourite is to play a False 9 up front with a Shadow Striker behind him (love the new roles!) because it always confuses the hell out of everyone we play.

Wolves won't even let me scout outside the UK in League 1. But i'm 9 points clear at the beginning of Jan so let's hope they change their minds when i get promotion. what i'm ultimately looking to build is a very fluid side, either 4-3-3 or 4-4-2, not decided yet, probably favour the former if i can get the right strikers with the right defensive/transition abilities. all about signing players with the full spread of skills rather than one-trick supermen tbh

New system works so well because the formations are so malleable. 4-4-2 on paper can turn into just about any shape you like if you give your players the correct roles, certainly it's not hard to turn it into a 4-2-3-1 without actually moving the players on the tactics board. If anything 4-4-2 is probably the best system you can go with at all but the very highest levels, because if you play with your wide men in the AMR/AML slots then it's a total bastard to get them to track back, really exposes the fullbacks.

yep, that's what i've been finding. also the player familiarity with a position seems pretty malleable, if they've got the right stats for a role/duty then playing most guys mildly "out of position" has v. limited negative effect and the players usually adjust

i like this move away from very defined positional formations, feels realer to me to recognize that what looks like a flat lineup generally doesn't play like one

Sherwood vindication committee

Lads my computer died but it doesnt matter i was only doin college stuff on it anyway

Obv cm4 two up front (klose/ben arfa) with robben vieirinha manically attacking the flanks is a tactic out of time itt but i mean

https://archive.org/details/msdos_Championship_Manager_1992
https://archive.org/details/msdos_Championship_Manager_93-94_1993
https://archive.org/details/msdos_Championship_Manager_2_-_Italian_Leagues_1996

http://theisozone.com/downloads/pc/windows-games/wolves-club-manager/

d/led that ages ago and haven't been arsed to play it yet