Football Manager 2011

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TY Amazon! Love that they always deliver it a week early.

gazza bale flame (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 4 November 2010 12:18 (fourteen years ago)

let us know who the new messis are pls

nakhchivan, Thursday, 4 November 2010 12:21 (fourteen years ago)

cannot be installed via steam because its not released yet ;_; will try off steam

gazza bale flame (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 4 November 2010 12:23 (fourteen years ago)

really want this now

I see what this is (Local Garda), Thursday, 4 November 2010 12:35 (fourteen years ago)

what are they saying they've improved?

I see what this is (Local Garda), Thursday, 4 November 2010 12:36 (fourteen years ago)

Training! And... bringing agents/more realistic negotiations in ;_;. Oh and press conferences aren't supposed to suck now.

gazza bale flame (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 4 November 2010 12:37 (fourteen years ago)

they didn't suck when you typed stupid shit at the bottom. tho yeah after a while i just sent assistant every time. my friend said they haven't changed team talks, which is annoying, they are tedious as hell.

I see what this is (Local Garda), Thursday, 4 November 2010 13:00 (fourteen years ago)

I haven't got to a match yet, been looking after my nephew up until now. And now his dad has picked him up, I am going to... nap for an hour and then to go the gym. So...

Otoh, PSV have a real player called Funso Ojo.

gazza bale flame (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 4 November 2010 13:40 (fourteen years ago)

I haven't got to a match yet, been looking after my nephew up until now

That's a level of realism I wasn't expecting.

I'm being a smartass here, but in a fun way (NotEnough), Friday, 5 November 2010 12:45 (fourteen years ago)

not got mine from play.com yet

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Friday, 5 November 2010 16:50 (fourteen years ago)

in game match engine is soooooo much better. quick tactic changes available, much more smooth 3d engine, you can actually watch tactics take shape. easier to understand changing how yr team do set pieces as well.

gazza bale flame (a hoy hoy), Friday, 5 November 2010 17:53 (fourteen years ago)

ok dealing with agents makes me want to go all holloway. f u and your agent fees.

gazza bale flame (a hoy hoy), Friday, 5 November 2010 17:57 (fourteen years ago)

Stop making me want this, I've barely got 2000 hours out of FM2010 and I've never even been able to play it with the 3D engine on.

Triumph of the will.i.am (Noodle Vague), Friday, 5 November 2010 17:59 (fourteen years ago)

my players all seemingly wanting to sack their agents :)

bought lukaku over neymar or a new keeper, hope it turns out to be the right move.

gazza bale flame (a hoy hoy), Friday, 5 November 2010 18:14 (fourteen years ago)

ricardo fuller to atl. madrid! exciting!

gazza bale flame (a hoy hoy), Friday, 5 November 2010 18:22 (fourteen years ago)

roberto carlos who has surprisingly good stats has just signed for birmingham :S

gazza bale flame (a hoy hoy), Saturday, 6 November 2010 08:22 (fourteen years ago)

Might be time to buy this since I've won the prem with Reading. Not sure I can be arsed having a tilt at the CL. You can print that Reading Examiner, I'm untouchable. PS London Irish are embarrassing freaks and I'm quitting unless they're kicked out of the Madejski.

I see what this is (Local Garda), Saturday, 6 November 2010 09:20 (fourteen years ago)

Starting to think spunking all my initial start up money on 1 18 y/o was stupid but then he saved me losing to Wolves on my first proper game after I forgot to change my tactics. I think Liverpool on this could be fun.

gazza bale flame (a hoy hoy), Saturday, 6 November 2010 11:40 (fourteen years ago)

Is the 25 man squad/home grown rule in this?

The referee was perfect (Chris), Saturday, 6 November 2010 17:05 (fourteen years ago)

its been in the last couple!

gazza bale flame (a hoy hoy), Saturday, 6 November 2010 17:26 (fourteen years ago)

Not content with that? Football Manager 2010 saw the release of a revamped editor which allows you to create a whole host of new players, and for the first time, new leagues in new countries, or new leagues to existing league structures. One community release saw Superbladesman recreate the English Football Pyramid all the way down to Tier 10 (later someone added even more tiers going down to local regional leagues such as the Northern Alliance). Another saw the entire North America structure recreated with accurate development leagues and college teams, such is the power of the new editor.

:O

geddit (cozen), Sunday, 7 November 2010 08:54 (fourteen years ago)

rip cesc, see you in 9 months boo

hoy orbison (a hoy hoy), Monday, 8 November 2010 14:56 (fourteen years ago)

and f u bale for taking him out in the second game of the season

gonna hate this dude in real life too now

hoy orbison (a hoy hoy), Monday, 8 November 2010 14:57 (fourteen years ago)

one thing i adore is that they seem to have made transfers 100% more sensible and realistic.

hoy orbison (a hoy hoy), Monday, 8 November 2010 16:43 (fourteen years ago)

gonna take a lot of getting used to otoh.

hoy orbison (a hoy hoy), Monday, 8 November 2010 16:43 (fourteen years ago)

are you guys gonna talk me into buying this after having hardly played FM 2010 yet...?

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Monday, 8 November 2010 16:44 (fourteen years ago)

just 1 person here. 1 person w/ no social life.

hoy orbison (a hoy hoy), Monday, 8 November 2010 16:55 (fourteen years ago)

I have no social life BUT I have both FM06 and FM09 games on the go. Do I need to drop those on the spot and get to 2011?

Antoine Bugleboy (Merdeyeux), Monday, 8 November 2010 17:23 (fourteen years ago)

well i think this may be the best game in the history of sitting inside alone so

hoy orbison (a hoy hoy), Monday, 8 November 2010 18:05 (fourteen years ago)

hmmmmmmmmm.

Antoine Bugleboy (Merdeyeux), Monday, 8 November 2010 18:30 (fourteen years ago)

any notable bugs that could encourage me to at least wait till the big patch?

Antoine Bugleboy (Merdeyeux), Monday, 8 November 2010 18:31 (fourteen years ago)

Patches come out first day of release blud.

hoy orbison (a hoy hoy), Monday, 8 November 2010 22:54 (fourteen years ago)

But even so I was playing this two days before hand and didn't notice a thing wrong, other than it being a bit suspect that Villareal would sell me an unhappy Rossi for 5.5m (damn me for forgetting to save this!)

hoy orbison (a hoy hoy), Monday, 8 November 2010 22:55 (fourteen years ago)

restarted cm4 game last nite tbh. not really doing it for me tbh

cant believe you sb'd me for that (darraghmac), Monday, 8 November 2010 22:56 (fourteen years ago)

came third in cl group ;_; gonna have to win the europa league i guess ;_;

hoy orbison (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 9 November 2010 15:14 (fourteen years ago)

bought hart/rodwell(/"chucho") but have to wait till jan ;_;. selling djourou to porto but need to get rid of a keeper/denilson/bendtner some time soon to pay for it.

cannot hold onto a lead for dear life, have gone from 1st with 9 in 9 to 3rd and looking worse each game. miss u cesc.

hoy orbison (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 9 November 2010 15:17 (fourteen years ago)

3rd, europa league quarters, fa finalists - fired. got the vacant real job but have saved that and started again.

hoy orbison (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 10 November 2010 23:37 (fourteen years ago)

rip cesc, see you in 9 months boo

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and f u bale for taking him out in the second game of the season

gonna hate this dude in real life too now

― hoy orbison (a hoy hoy), Monday, 8 November 2010 14:57 (2 days ago) [IP: 92.4.61.171] Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
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gareth bale the reason i was fired.

hoy orbison (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 10 November 2010 23:38 (fourteen years ago)

this is updating in steam right now iirc

cant believe you sb'd me for that (darraghmac), Tuesday, 16 November 2010 22:15 (fourteen years ago)

well fuck that

computer performance 1/2 star
game speed 1 star

bite me

cant believe you sb'd me for that (darraghmac), Tuesday, 16 November 2010 22:36 (fourteen years ago)

left/centre back needed. how much should i pay for sakho, i wonder.

other than that, bentley, jenas, ekotto & hutton out., should have a 30m kitty at the end of all that. if anyone got a fwd who'd excel in 451 they could let me know about i'd get rid of at least crouch, maybe keane too.

Goths in Home & Away in my lifetime (darraghmac), Saturday, 27 November 2010 13:54 (fourteen years ago)

how about Criscito?

wheezy f baby (a hoy hoy), Saturday, 27 November 2010 15:27 (fourteen years ago)

crouch can be surprisingly good if played correctly. but... neymar? just try and get him before any proper club swoops imo. or maybe suarez?

wheezy f baby (a hoy hoy), Saturday, 27 November 2010 15:29 (fourteen years ago)

neymar just signed for chelsea. suarez play the complete forward role? will look a criscito. was considering warnock tbph

Goths in Home & Away in my lifetime (darraghmac), Saturday, 27 November 2010 16:36 (fourteen years ago)

sakho, llorente, 18m the pair. will try to offload woodgate, one from crouch/pav

having real trouble selling anyone for cash money. not impressed.

Goths in Home & Away in my lifetime (darraghmac), Saturday, 27 November 2010 20:39 (fourteen years ago)

just resigned a 36-year-old sakho for sentimental purposes. he had ten good years with me, he deserves a sol run. (p.s. fuck you guys with your fancy fm11 shit.)

Antoine Bugleboy (Merdeyeux), Sunday, 28 November 2010 03:09 (fourteen years ago)

noted.

Goths in Home & Away in my lifetime (darraghmac), Sunday, 28 November 2010 03:11 (fourteen years ago)

Not sure whether to post this on ILM, ILG or ILF: http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2010/11/29/gareth-campesinos-reviews-fm-2011/

if, Monday, 29 November 2010 20:48 (fourteen years ago)

he forgot to review it, tho

Goths in Home & Away in my lifetime (darraghmac), Saturday, 4 December 2010 15:59 (fourteen years ago)

dude's a cunt.

didn't read the review, but dude's a cunt.

Antoine Bugleboy (Merdeyeux), Saturday, 4 December 2010 16:18 (fourteen years ago)

Still playin cm4!

Rev'erendoors (darraghmac), Thursday, 12 May 2011 02:11 (fourteen years ago)

your game must be in like year 2439

popular gay automobile (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 12 May 2011 02:24 (fourteen years ago)

my unbeaten streak came to an end on the 26th game :(
still second in League 2 tho and looking good for promotion.

until you can see right thru (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 12 May 2011 07:48 (fourteen years ago)

one month passes...

a year's worth of injuries spread out over four players during a game against Villa? I guess that's the Big Eck legacy at work.

Sir Chips Keswick (Merdeyeux), Tuesday, 28 June 2011 23:04 (thirteen years ago)

have this installed, playin cm4 instead

Chunks on strippers is the game of my frog (darraghmac), Tuesday, 28 June 2011 23:06 (thirteen years ago)

you must be about 2 centuries in to that cm4 game

� (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 28 June 2011 23:20 (thirteen years ago)

nah, like ebjt i grab a snatch here and there when the mrs isn't around

Chunks on strippers is the game of my frog (darraghmac), Tuesday, 28 June 2011 23:28 (thirteen years ago)

and u still get time to play videogames

nakhchivan, Tuesday, 28 June 2011 23:32 (thirteen years ago)

no that's what i meant

Chunks on strippers is the game of my frog (darraghmac), Tuesday, 28 June 2011 23:34 (thirteen years ago)

i mean i am not unfaithful to my gf i want that to be clear

Sam v down on that behaviour iirc

Chunks on strippers is the game of my frog (darraghmac), Tuesday, 28 June 2011 23:35 (thirteen years ago)

Successfully navigated the Kansas City Wizards to the North American Champions League. MLS is hell of fun albeit with several major flaws (no academies, implausibly stupid AI transfer mechanics - e.g. New York signing Danny Mwanga for £575k then releasing him immediately after and we scoop him up on a free transfer).

William Bloody Swygart, Tuesday, 28 June 2011 23:36 (thirteen years ago)

can't believe someone with a healthy sexual appetite would want to ruin their alpha rep by openly admitting to a dorky computer game fixation

nakhchivan, Tuesday, 28 June 2011 23:39 (thirteen years ago)

alpha rep

Chunks on strippers is the game of my frog (darraghmac), Tuesday, 28 June 2011 23:46 (thirteen years ago)

time was

nakhchivan, Tuesday, 28 June 2011 23:47 (thirteen years ago)

i'm still tryin to figure out who tbh

Chunks on strippers is the game of my frog (darraghmac), Tuesday, 28 June 2011 23:51 (thirteen years ago)

I recently started up a new game, and ~ yet again, as if I didn't know this already ~ I cannot play this game without cheating. I add transfer funds, create a likeness with players to sign for my team, making a nobody a wunderkid just because I like their name, add a sponsor deal here and there, heal my team before a big game (which I re-play from the save file if I lose it). And still get enthusiastic when Fabregas agrees to play for my team even though I arranged it all by cheating and fucking around with the editor. If a God existed, that must be how he would feel: he's arranged it all but still looks down on what's happening with naive, self-denying delight.

It makes me feel full of disgust for myself. What a horrible, horrible prank on humanity's weaker souls this game is.

This game is my nemesis. It awakes the abyss so it can stare back at me.

Frogbs Day Afternoon (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 29 June 2011 00:57 (thirteen years ago)

Dunno if it's a bug but Tranmere went thru about 20 managers last season, kept luring dopes away from their Conference sides and then 2 weeks later they were putting another guy in.

SB OK (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 29 June 2011 07:22 (thirteen years ago)

na man that's chelsea

Chunks on strippers is the game of my frog (darraghmac), Wednesday, 29 June 2011 07:25 (thirteen years ago)

six months pass...

lost my cm4 disk, have loaded this up, seems ok tbh

i've the editor to fiddle and piss about but i can't get the changes to stick (want to ruin jenas and hutton then fuck them off to villa as a priority tbh)

can't get the genie to load my save games at all

might get the time to play it for proper over the next few months

DeLonge and Winding Refn (darraghmac), Tuesday, 3 January 2012 01:08 (thirteen years ago)

got offered 2012 for chrismas but am still too deep into 2010 it doesn't seem right to update yet. seeing as how i've never managed higher than league 1.

Nogood (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 3 January 2012 10:43 (thirteen years ago)

three weeks pass...

so, look, right

you set out 11 good players in formation

give each of them the role that seems to suit his talents best

follow assistant advice on how to target the next opposition

send them out

watch as they don't even attempt to perform

repeat

idg the attraction to this fucking shit, have i forgotten to tick the 'stop playing like cunts' option in some mystical submenu?

it's fun assembling a team/squad, all the background stuff like training and youth squad etc, but i feel like they've just turned this game into a cuntish 'only one right formation crack it then buy next year's version' POS in terms of matchday tactics.

where's the 'redknapp' option? (oi just get good ployers and put em aaht in their positions gareth it's not aard)

teaky frigger (darraghmac), Saturday, 28 January 2012 22:56 (thirteen years ago)

i remember when i started playing fm09 it was about ten games before i scored from open play. then i got better. can't remember how. #motivationalspeeches

Merdeyeux, Saturday, 28 January 2012 23:06 (thirteen years ago)

i honestly don't know what to do

i'm so lost

3-0 loss to an everton outfit that i was expected to batter

forwards don't shoot nor hit target when they do

centre halves don't track runs, tackle, head it, move

midfielders just give it away

i feel like juande ramos in this bitch

teaky frigger (darraghmac), Saturday, 28 January 2012 23:08 (thirteen years ago)

lol spurs managers

honestly, it is a terrificly nuanced game. things like dropping a forward who doesn't score will make him work harder, as opposed to 'he has best stats, he must score most'. also what are yr team talks like? my arsenal team was down the shitter in my first year, languishing around mid table for most of it (lol also this team in real life amirite) but i noticed i was being too passionate and too angry if something went wrong etc. - dudes generally work best when relaxed, patient and knowing their game is the right one.

oh and tactics are a p big mindfield too. if you want a barca-esque possession game for example, you can't just see that barca score 10 a game and assume it would be set to overload. they control the game and are patient in waiting for a chance. otoh if you are just kicking it around the halfway line and they need to be reminded to fucking win games, you need to tell them so, stick it to overload for 10 mins and use your shouts appropriately. i often get worried that my team is missing chances or being too lax with the ball and if they haven't scored by halftime, i'm kick them up from standard/control to overload and have them hoof balls into the box for 10/15 minutes. it sees my possession go from 65% avg to 50% avg in 15 minutes but it reminds guys to wake up and try and win games.

with defenders... fuck knows. my back 4 has never really been a problem. they are set up like stoke though - essentially 4 centre halves and all over 5' 10". Also v. fast and v. strong. They aren't v. smart or technical and just do the basics. Basically, having Gallas be a dick or whatever without discipline may not help? Call them on their bullshit, drop them when they play badly, talk in the press (both good and bad), etc.

midfielders just giving it away... you didn't recall jenas? this may be to do with the pace of your game not matching your passing style. if everything is quick quick quick quick you have to get rid of the ball straight away and you make mistakes because you don't think about it. this is fine if all you plan on is hoofing it, assuming a target man is going to sort it when he gets it. but if it is nuanced one touch possession, you want to have time thinking about positioning and where each ball leads and have some time and patience.

basically, i think the game is as far from ever about 'find one right formation and crack it' or whatever you said. teams adapt! and you play different teams! you need to learn tactics, just like in an rpg you need to learn why use a different weapon to defeat x or y. 3-4-2-1 has started making its way into the premiership in my game, for example, in 2016. It is to combat 4-2-3-1 and... its fucking working! And you can't just sit back and presume your tactic will still work all the time, especially as teams change. (So I've started experimenting with a libero to combat the 1 and moving my team forward, a whole midfield clusterfuck... to varying success...).

Aesop Rizzle (a hoy hoy), Sunday, 29 January 2012 07:42 (thirteen years ago)

hey thanks

S'alright tho i went on a 12 match unbeaten run after that, there actually was just one thing i hadn't ticked. Srsly.

teaky frigger (darraghmac), Sunday, 29 January 2012 11:41 (thirteen years ago)

lol what was it?

Aesop Rizzle (a hoy hoy), Sunday, 29 January 2012 17:19 (thirteen years ago)

when you set overall team strategy to attack every cunt thinks he's a cf so my defensive line was 90 yards from goal

which, y'know, is fucking stupid- a preset attack strategy should maybe imo be a subtler fucking instrument than that.

teaky frigger (darraghmac), Sunday, 29 January 2012 18:07 (thirteen years ago)

been playing fm10 and i'm into like 2019 or something and every team is playing 5-3-2 and just packing the box. can't find any space within 20-30 yrds of goal. got fucking boring.

wmlynch, Sunday, 29 January 2012 18:51 (thirteen years ago)

that's basically how fotball went for a few years after mourinho started pwning iirc

teaky frigger (darraghmac), Sunday, 29 January 2012 19:48 (thirteen years ago)

start playing 2-3-5 against smaller teams then, just fucking scare them.

Aesop Rizzle (a hoy hoy), Sunday, 29 January 2012 22:13 (thirteen years ago)

my fm10 game is in 2046 atm. 3-4-1-2 seems to be popular. When facing 5-3-2 I either go with one up front which seems to bother the 5 man defense or go with a 4-3-3 where the 3 attackers are all CF's, the central one set to advanced and the 2 either side set to deep lying, I combine this with a standard approach and direct tactics. Works well as long as you have 3 decent CMs.

pandemic, Monday, 30 January 2012 11:45 (thirteen years ago)

adapting to the opposition is for the weak of character imo

teaky frigger (darraghmac), Monday, 30 January 2012 13:20 (thirteen years ago)

oh snap. i always adapt to the opposition. my preferred formation only ever comes out when facing 4-4-2.

Play 4-5-1 vs 3-4-3 and 3-5-2
4-3-3 vs 4-3-1-2 and 3-4-3

pandemic, Monday, 30 January 2012 13:39 (thirteen years ago)

i'm switching btwn 442 pav/defoe and 451 LLORENTE BITCHES depending only on form/fitness tho admittedly i'm struggling lately and have dropped to 3rd at christmas of season 1 (`_`) v

teaky frigger (darraghmac), Monday, 30 January 2012 13:46 (thirteen years ago)

been rocking a 4132 for ages, very narrow, thru the middle. don't concede many at all but we had a recent 5 or 6 game spell without scoring. strikers are the worst human beings in imaginary football imo.

summer sun, something's begun, but uh-oh those tumblr whites (Noodle Vague), Monday, 30 January 2012 14:36 (thirteen years ago)

strikers are the worst human beings in imaginary football imo.

― summer sun, something's begun, but uh-oh those tumblr whites (Noodle Vague), Monday, 30 January 2012 14:36 (8 hours ago)

otm. i have 'the new romario' and 'the new di stefano' and they just don't fucking score. but then my turkish 23m 18 year old already has 60 goals under his belt, so i guess they are just intimidated by his talent. he started at 16, his name is 'oluc koc' so i find myself thinking i love koc too much and he will have a better arsenal career than henry and wright combined. his stats already match spurs's cavani and he is noway near his potential.

Aesop Rizzle (a hoy hoy), Monday, 30 January 2012 23:16 (thirteen years ago)

haha oluc koc.

wmlynch, Monday, 30 January 2012 23:23 (thirteen years ago)

my tactic evolved to a 4-3-3 with 3 cfs but they're totally useless. i hardly allow any goals but i'm hardly getting any from open play either. it usually seems that half my goals come from corners and penalties.

wmlynch, Monday, 30 January 2012 23:24 (thirteen years ago)

Honestly don't know how you guys have time for playing this when not in a relationship tbh. Wasted weeks of my life on this game. God knows I tried to play it when in a relationship, too, but I can't figure it out tbh

future debts collector (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 30 January 2012 23:26 (thirteen years ago)

when not IN a relationship obv

future debts collector (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 30 January 2012 23:27 (thirteen years ago)

mrs moved to dublin innit

teaky frigger (darraghmac), Monday, 30 January 2012 23:40 (thirteen years ago)

one day about three weeks ago my computer just spit out the disc and i took that as a sign and stopped.

wmlynch, Monday, 30 January 2012 23:43 (thirteen years ago)

one day about a year before she moved to dublin my cm4 disc disappeared, you're damn right i took *that* as a sign

teaky frigger (darraghmac), Monday, 30 January 2012 23:46 (thirteen years ago)

my tactic evolved to a 4-3-3 with 3 cfs but they're totally useless. i hardly allow any goals but i'm hardly getting any from open play either. it usually seems that half my goals come from corners and penalties.

― wmlynch, Monday, 30 January 2012 23:24 (27 minutes ago)

So you are Italian football two years ago?

Honestly don't know how you guys have time for playing this when not in a relationship tbh. Wasted weeks of my life on this game. God knows I tried to play it when in a relationship, too, but I can't figure it out tbh

― future debts collector (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 30 January 2012 23:26 (25 minutes ago)

My playing tends to be 'open fm while on my laptop, surfing the internet or whatever, check back every 5or10 minutes or every 2hours to see what the score is at halftime/fulltime/go on holiday until matchday.' Only time I get obsessive is a) the two weeks the game comes out and i'm learning the new nuances of it and b) during the in-game summer/jan windows, which in reality is just 2 hours on a sunday morning.

Aesop Rizzle (a hoy hoy), Monday, 30 January 2012 23:56 (thirteen years ago)

(also when suffering from insomnia is can become a+ fun/intentionally looking at statistics of thousands of free agents can send you to sleep.)

Aesop Rizzle (a hoy hoy), Monday, 30 January 2012 23:57 (thirteen years ago)

:(

summer sun, something's begun, but uh-oh those tumblr whites (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 31 January 2012 08:21 (thirteen years ago)

;-)

summer sun, something's begun, but uh-oh those tumblr whites (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 31 January 2012 08:23 (thirteen years ago)

six months pass...

a bit tired of dishing out cash for a new version when i'm pretty happy with the game engine of FM 2011 but is there any way of downloading up to date squads as an add on?

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Tuesday, 28 August 2012 18:06 (twelve years ago)

you used to be able to get one but usually you'll have to wait until early october so the nerds who do such a thing have built it

a hoy hoy, Tuesday, 28 August 2012 18:20 (twelve years ago)

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Aceveda (admrl), Tuesday, 28 August 2012 23:23 (twelve years ago)


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