gauging interest in secondary Fantasy League w/ player draft

This came up on the other thread beginning here: Fantasy Football League 11/12

I write 'secondary' because you can and should join the real ILF league as well. But if you might want to try this out, post here and I will keep a tally.

If you're deeply skeptical and think this idea should replace men in skinny jeans on the list of 7 Revolting Things Abt American Culture, but are morbidly curious anyway, post questions here and I will try to answer them.

interested in how to ensure budgets and all that work out but yeah sure sounds intrsting

I think this is a great idea but the process of actually putting squads together (especially bidding for in-demand players) would be very tricky to work out. My friends and I just meet in a pub and do it but that's obviously not possible here.

i dunno, ilfchatz is a growth room on aim

To address Matt's first point, I hadn't envisioned an auction-style draft, i.e. the kind where you get to sign Torres if you're willing to waste more of your £100m budget on him than anyone else. Instead, if you have the first overall pick and select him, he's yours, and his cost to you is determined by the PL site's valuation.

makes sense

Kinda fucks over whoever's last in the picking order though.

i think whoever earns the least should go first.

think boxall had a system for that based on pipecock tossing avg tbh

If there's ten of us, last drawn picks 10th, 11th, 30th, 31st, 50th, 51st and so on, right?

Yes, what Ismael said. This is called a 'snake draft' b/c it winds back on itself, and is popular in US fantasy leagues.

Alternatively we could do a random drawing for position every round.

I think a league of 8-12 teams would be ideal. The standard squad size is 15, but if time is a concern we could limit the draft to 11 rounds and fill in the team benches w/ undrafted players. It could also be split up over multiple days if one longish chatz session doesn't appeal.

You're not obligated to sign every player you draft btw - you're just gaining exclusive rights to negotiate with them, so to speak. If you think Sneijder really is coming to Utd you can risk a draft pick on him.

whut

None of that, please - sort the whole league out in one sesh imo

Fair enough. That will mean however that everyone will have to keep track of their budget during the draft, make sure not to go over. Unless we want to throw out the idea of a budget altogether.

maybe?

Yeah, I suppose that would simplify things w/o doing any harm. No one will be able to load up on £10m+ midfielders and strikers anyway, they'll be in too high demand.

sort the whole league out in one sesh imo

This can be done, and is the traditional way to conduct a fantasy draft. However, it would require very rapid picks. If we have 10 players, and only draft 11 rounds deep, and everyone takes an average of 90 seconds to draft, that's still 2 hours 45 minutes.

I've been playing around w/ templates on Google Docs and I think a shared spreadsheet could work as a low-maintenance alternative. Something like this.

The ESPN site has opened for the season and has Nedum Onuoha one of the most expensive defenders, I wonder if they have inside info on Mancini's plans.

So, here are some options:

a) I'll play provided the draft is completed in one evening so I don't have to think about it after that

b) I'll play provided the draft is completed over, say, 3-14 days, each person editing a shared Google spreadsheet in turn, so I don't have to commit to spending an entire evening online

c) [sotto voce] This is too complicated/confusing/American, you should walk away quietly now before we're all embarrassed

Post a, b or c in this thread and we'll see where we're at next week.

Would this be on fantasy.premierleague.com or on another site?

b's probably better, but organising ilxors is like herding cats.

Ah screw it, let's try a.

hth

I'm tempted, but think this is too much fuss, too difficult to get involved. No AIM/FB/G+ for one. Oh well.

I would do B, A seems like it could be too easily scuppered by one or two people forgetting or being unexpectedly busy or whatever. B has the problem that someone could forget it's their turn for days, but I think on balance it seems easier and more convenient for everyone.

I vote for 'c'.

I'll be doing the usual fantasy league, though, and join the head-to-head one if someone sets it up.

OK, head-to-head league: http://fantasy.premierleague.com/, code 501818-137752

I'm cool with doing this, I think.

Ok I don't understand that draft table. Wouldn't it start with the most prized players going down to the least? Like it would start with say Kun or Drogba or Cesc and then work its way down to the Norwich back-up keeper? And instead N.Zogbia is second choice in the draft?

That's not the list of players; it's a hypothetical table displaying the players that have been picked, who picked them and when they were picked (at a guess, the order in which these players were picked is based on the current most popular picks in Fantasy PL, hence why Marc Albrighton goes before).

The list of players from which you pick will presumably just be a list.

You want complicated, check out what they're trying to do over here: Quality Sucks: 2011 Bizarro Fantasy Football Thread

I don't think this idea has enough momentum behind it - sorry. But there is a head-to-head league, code 501818-137752, and you can just copy your same team from the main ILF league. It's set up so the last three weeks of the season are QF, SF, and final, but that can be changed if there are only 10 or so entries.

I think it is just the initial sorting process that needs momentum and one person who can be bothered to spend a day doing it. Is there an American-sport-fantasy-draft template we can borrow to make it much easier, or would it just have to be input one player at a time?

Alright then: if your interest is real, email me (boxall19, gmail) and if there are six entrants (including me) by Monday, we'll make it happen.

You want complicated, check out what they're trying to do over here: Quality Sucks: 2011 Bizarro Fantasy Football Thread

Ahhh, American Football. Ok, now I realise why that 'Passing' stuff didn't make any sense whatsoever.

In case it's not clear, that thread is attempting to devise a statistical formula to determine the worst American football player(s). Then they're all going to compete to draft these awful players and see whose squad can perform the worst. Sounds pretty fun to me.

that sounds AMAZING and if I could understand the lingo or anything to do with the sport, I'd bookmark the shit out of it. (Instead I am going to spend this year just slowly dipping my toe in the gridiron pool.)

gmail is being a dick so i ilx webmailed u

forgot to mail you and will forget again but i'm in

OK, posting here is an acceptable entry too. I was just trying to avoid clogging ILF new answers, well done all around.

just to confirm, having spent my morning on ff, i am also in.

I've kind of forgotten what we're discussing here, but whatever it is I'll be up for.

I would be up for this if there is room.

One option would be for everyone to submit a preliminary team prior to the draft and only hold a draft for the players that have been chosen by more than one person.The less obvious the players the better chance you have of getting your first choice line up and the less you rely on vagaries of system. I have not thought this through at all though.

I think I like that - then use the budget for an auction

So everyone submits a (15-man?) squad, and if you're the only person to name a player, he's yours. Then everyone submits a second list which contains bids for all the players who were named more than once. (The more frugal you were in picking fringe players, the bigger your budget, at this point.)

Am I understanding this right? I think I like it as well.

Yes, that's what i had in mind.

Something like that, yeah - a public auction might be fun too, if that'd work.

Maybe everyone gets the same budget for the auction, more lols in outbidding the guy who got no players in round one and will be left drafting Swansea reserves in round three.

Wait, what's round three?

points pw w/out 29 avg
points pw since 53 avg

art mirroring lyfe imo

could be great but his attitude is shocking, frankly would rather start with pav alone tbh

yeah, i'll own that, but loaning him for a year? No risk, innit

sup

May as well let you know you're under investigation for suspect transfer dealings, three-figure point deduction a possibility.

the only possible co-conspirator is you

Crikey, top of the league - this has literally never happened to one of my teams before. What do I do now, declare the quadruple on or something?

― Ismael Klata, Tuesday, September 27, 2011 2:29 AM (1 month ago)

How the mighty etc.

team were shit to watch n all iirc

I don't understand, they are all quality players

motivation imo

pro: Rafael back this week I think
con: 'Drogba to have operation to remove screws'

the loose ones?

this exercise has proven all my complaints about the iilegitimacy of fantasy.premierleague.com to be well founded and i shall be writing to the epl with my thoughts

funny, I was thinking of emailing the site to ask for last weekend's round scores because I completely failed to update in time. Sorry about that, I've been very busy with a new job after months of unemployment.

congrats on the new job, if not the busyness.

congrats now get it fuckin sorted

Congratulations boxall. I'd been holding off badgering you for your disgraceful tardiness because I'd've looked bad if your city had slid into the sea or something - delighted to hear there are positive reasons.

✧✧✧@gm✧✧✧.c✧✧> wrote:
> I must say, it's awfully kind of you to keep me up to speed with the developments in this league, but I should point out that I'm not part of it and I'm a bit confused as to how I got into this mailing list.

This puzzled me for a bit, then I figured it out. Feel free to give your friend my apologies for the spam, Ismael.

hugh grant?

my fantasy team mirroring fortunes of spurs, unsurprisingly. bottle bank funding us.

It's nbs, boxall. He ought to be in the league, he should be the one apologising.

nasty, brutish and fake

;-)

vindicated.

how do you know?????

i'm just cranky cos i've a feeling the frozen table's as good as it's gonna get for me

torres as my captain all season finally pays off so i may be not quite so far adrift at the bottom as I was. anyone have suarez as (c)?

(u)(n)(t)

Think you'll hold on darragh but I really should have had the courage of my convictions and swapped Carroll for Papiss Cisse in January.

ya you'd been talking him up for a year or more, right?

Mind you i'm still making points off terry so convictions aren't really in it?

suarez is my captain! but really, this is scant consolation for the 'arry-esque collapse i've undergone in the real league.

i've got four fuckin spurs players, cry me a river

Somewhere between the end of these fixtures on Wednesday and the penultimate round Saturday I'll have it all caught up, promise.

that's what mancini said at his board grovel session last night

You know, this is fantasy ... it's strange.

next year we need to do this but where a website does all work so boxxy doesn't have to and also so i dont lose the email link every week.

ya we should get tuomas to wonder at stet why he couldn't do it.

It really wasn't too bad as long as I kept up week-to-week. But yes, there's probably a more efficient method.

Wouldn't surprise me if ESPN introduced a draft function in their EPL fantasy in time for next season. U.S. viewership is clearly growing and Americans are baffled by the idea of a non-exclusive fantasy league.

So far it's just small things like this and that ad for tonight's derby, but the Americanisation of the EPL is promising imo.

Thankfully they're not messing with the actual match coverage in an effort to make it more accessible, it's only the ad campaigns that are somewhat silly. I mean the studio analysts are awful, and we could do without any more Piers Morgan, but otherwise.

The analysts are okay imo, possibly due to there usually only being time for one sentence each.

jaysus it's great dryin weather so tis

I'm not sure whter to conceed the title to you darragh. I suspect you're well clear at the top. I will arbitrarily award myself a CL spot however.

i dunno tbh info blackout coincided with start of spurs' woeful run

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?hl=en_US&hl=en_US&key=0AiuYoPTdWRIgdENSTm85dE5XRFhndDh1cWFzbmlzc3c&output=html

tense

so, i won this, right?

RONG

joking. I assume so. Unless you've pissed boxall off lately and he's stripped you of your title.

never awarded it, but i feel he's losing patience with the bantz lately

ye should now that I'm building something like this as my web apps project. if I can work out what we fuckin did, like.