We need to talk about Everton

Because I am worried about them.

I know they have a poor start every other year and improve, but they don't seem to be playing particularly below themselves this season and I'm not sure there's much in reserve. Add a decent collection of internationals and I'm getting a West Ham feeling at the moment.

they were unlucky against liverpool but i think theyll be ok. drenthe seems to be a decent signing.

tbf they're 3 points off 9th place with a game in hand, wouldn't say they were one of the three worst teams i've seen this season, Drenthe indeed looks tasty

wonder when stracqualursi will get a game.

think there are at least 6 teams worse than everton in the division, probably more like 8.

They've had to play City, Utd, Chelsea and LFC in the last month or so - they'll be fine. Only QPR has been a bad result for them, really.

They have enough good players I think, plus a manager who knows what he's doing, and there are at least 7 or 8 worse teams in the league. West Ham went down because most of the players didn't care and the club was run and managed by idiots, none of those apply to Everton.

just realised the 3 worst teams i've seen this season have been Wigan, Blackburn and us :|

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story/_/id/984587/marouane-fellaini-signs-new-everton-contract?cc=5901

Just like Newcastle won't finish in the top four, Everton won't finish in the bottom three.

Ah, timely! xp Where did they find £15m to sign him in the first place?

was wondering that too, seems a big fee.

maybe they found the rooney money under the couch cushions

probly still paying it off in instalments

was that lescott money or have i got my dates mixed up?

i think they plated a full season together?

tbf everton were making decent money off decent players most years before signing fellaini

aiui the money just goes to debt servicing now, which is why I'm worried for them medium-term

only got 2.5 mil for Gravesen

'galactico' tommy gravesen thank you very much

kinda want everton to go down and the myth of them being a well run club living within their means to go with them tbh.

They're getting 80m or whatever for Ross Barkley, so they'll probably be fine financially

But almost 2% of that has already beenneophytes on Bradford's Charles Green.

kinda want everton to go down and the myth of them being a well run club living within their means to go with them tbh.

― Tokyo Sexwale (a hoy hoy), Thursday, November 17, 2011 1:39 PM (28 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

how is this a myth?

beenneophytes

was meant to be 'been splurged', I've been totally misquoted here

We'll be fine. Financially? Not so good.

Charles Green

It's George Green ffs. Not sure what he's trying to do there to be honest.

What's the ins and outs financially? Goodison's fairly large, you fill it more or less, you aren't big spenders on transfers (not sure about wages).

thought goodison was one thing holding them back. people always talk about everton desperately needing a new stadium.

think their wages/turnover ratio is around 69%

which is pretty high i think

We owe around £45m and we can't apparently borrow any more. We don't operate at a profit and the interest payments are £3m/year. The wages/turnover ratio is kind of mid-table, actually - only Wolves, Arsenal and Spurs had a ratio under 63% in 2009-10. Yes, we made a good profit on Lescott - and then spent that money on Heitinga, Bilyaletdinov and Distin who, I would guess, are not taking home 1/3rd of what Joleon was on...

I'm not terribly well up on this (I need to read more David Conn), but I assume the likes of Sunderland and Villa are in a similar position. I'm guessing that Fulham and Newcastle (who owe 3-4 times as much as EFC) are somehow...not quite so fucked? And then there's the special cases of the elite clubs with astonishing wealth and astonishing debt to go with it.

I guess this is just the cost of chasing 5th every season with (some of) the lowest ticket prices in the league, not great merch sales, not much of a "brand" outside the city, no wealthy benefactor, ancient stadium/facilities, etc etc.

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-news/local-news/2011/11/18/everton-fc-launch-investigation-into-robert-elstone-and-ian-ross-private-email-web-leak-100252-29799688/

EVERTON FC today launched an internal investigation into the publication on the internet of a series of alleged private emails between senior club officials.

The correspondence, including conversations between director of communications Ian Ross and chief executive Robert Elstone, were published on the Toffeeweb site last night then later taken down.

Versions, however, can still be seen on other fans’ websites.

The emails purporting to be from Ross are highly critical of Elstone’s leadership and describes working at Goodison Park as like “working in a kindergarten.”

Link to the emails. Explosive stuff no doubt. http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?topic=15350.15

kinda want everton to go down and the myth of them being a well run club living within their means to go with them tbh

Funny, I feel the same about Arsenal

clean hit

ball was there to be won

Was on a plate

it's bounced up nicely and he's hit it and it's flew in. He'll be happy with that

Schoolboy error by the original poster really, he won't want to watch highlights of that one tonight

I'm not terribly well up on this (I need to read more David Conn), but I assume the likes of Sunderland and Villa are in a similar position

I think Sunderland and Villa have wealthier owners than Kenwright though.

Think the time to start worrying about Everton is if/when Moyes leaves. They were constantly in the mix for relegation in the 90s and that's not been an issue for years.

in six month cycles, it kinda is

I assume Villa can charge more and I think their ground's a bit bigger too, but I cannot see how the sums add up at Sunderland at all, especially when they go on a spree every couple of years.

celtic tiger residue, won't last long imo

Think Sunderland are a financial disaster waiting to happen tbh.

Huge stadium probably helps but otherwise...

agree, but then who couldn't you say that about?

have read rumors in the usa of everton selling howard to make cash, probably not at all true tbh

Considering you'd get about 5m for him...