Suggestions for classic matches to find/watch in downtimes.

One idea I had was, next time there's an international week or something equally tedious, we turn instead to a simultaneous youtubing of some classic ye olde football. The 1974 world cup final for example, or England-Argentina from 1998. Both are up in their entirety. Could be all kinds of interesting.

― Ismael Klata, Thursday, 5 January 2012 17:27 (1 week ago)

Personally, I think this was a terrific idea by Ismael. But also I feel like it is one that needs a bit of legwork before hand, such as figuring out what matches we'd like to watch and discuss and then finding them on the internet. This thread could also just be used for fun finding/watching classic matches in general.

The Blizzard runs an extended piece each issue dissecting a classic old match, which are just about my favourite things to read. I'd love to watch those games. I don't know if these are up, but the last three have been:

Red Star v Bayern, EC semi final second leg, 1991
United v Real, EC quarter(?) final second leg, 2000
Denmark v USSR, World Cup qualifying 1995

Denmark v USSR is 1985, sorry

I am fascinated by the idea of old team from USSR/neighbour states but my knowledge is severely limited so I'd cosign something like Denmark v. USSR

what criteria are we looking for here? Obscurity, excellence?

I don't think there is any criteria other than 'something we'd all like to watch and discuss'. Excellence then may come in to play a lot more than obscurity. Reputation, history and lols all may also have something to do with.

Interestingness, really, whatever that means to you. Seeing for real how the game has changed is the main thing for me I guess. I'm assuming that a match being available in full would imply some degree of excellence.

I have the 1967 European Cup Final on my Sky+ box as it was shown recently on ESPN. I was struck by how nervy I'd have been watching it had I been alive in 1967, even though every bit of commentary and writing I'd read about it suggests that Inter Milan more or less gave up because they knew they were going to get hammered.

Few suggestions out of here, maybe?

http://footballpantheon.com/2011/12/the-100-greatest-football-moments-of-all-time/

if we can find a full game of bremner's leeds i'd be interested, the highlights from one or two matches i've seen make them look extraordinary

Yes, good shout, I thought when watching The Damned Utd that I'd quite like to see some of the games in full.

good idea!

Red Star v Bayern, EC semi final second leg, 1991

I bought a DVD of this (and Red Star's home QF leg against Dynamo Dresden) after reading J. Wilson's writeup in the Blizzard - it really is excellent.

England v. Scotland, British Home Championship, 1967

i wonder if the famous hungary 5-3 is available anywhere or was even filmed.

6-3! And what about the 7-1 game the following year?

Have seen film of the 6-3 game, don't think I've seen anything from the 7-1

... centre forward for England in the latter game was Bedford Jezzard... say what?

... that was his debut too, poor sod

I watched the 6-3 on you tube a couple of months ago, I'd watch it again easily. It's so interesting to see what's different and what's stayed the same, both in the way teams play, and indeed the attitude of the English play. So many lolworthy moments too.

England-Argentina from 1998

too soon.

more interested in the 02 game tbrr

A tasty-looking menu here, including at least three already mentioned.

Benfica 2-5 Santos (4-8 agg), Estadio da Luz
Intercontinental Cup, 11 October 1962

from the link ailsa posted looks like it could be a hoot.

No-one mentioned the Real Madrid 7 Eintracht Frankfurt 3, 1960 European Cup Final yet? That used to be routinely described as the greatest club game of all time, or of the televison era at least.

Fouls, punch-ups and general thuggery:

Italy v Chile, 1962 World Cup
Racing Club v Celtic, Intercontinental Cup Final 1967
Celtic v Atletico Madrid, European Cup Semi-Final 1974

to add to that list, holland v. portugal must be canon thuggery by now

Yes, that was hideous.

Description of Racing Club v. Celtic match:

The two-legged final, drawn 2-2, had proven quite rancorous, so both clubs agreed to hold a peace summit in Montevideo: armed police were on the pitch within half an hour of kick-off. There were five sendings off: Basile for a fight with John Clark; Bobby Lennox for a foul he was 40 yards away from; Rulli for being elbowed in the face by John Hughes; Jimmy Johnstone for elbowing somebody else entirely. The final dismissal was Bertie Auld, who refused to leave the field. So the ref let him play on. 'I would like to come back here for another go,' Jock Stein said.

Wow I want to see this.

South American teams were stone crazy in those days... well, the Argentinian + Uruguayan ones anyway

Yeh, I'd be up for some 70s loltackling. If only to see for myself how the boundaries between a good tackle and red card have changed over time.

I'm sure red cards were only introduced at some point in the 80s. You could be sent off before then, obviously, but the ref had to do some kind of pointy thing instead.

i don't know if i've the stomach for those tackles tbh

that was a real mans game, not like the pansy shawx-ing that happens today

River Plate vs Poland 1986 if you can find it. I've watched extended highlights before and it's fucking amazing.hardest fought,most competitive friendly ever.greatest ever river team featuring enzo francescoli.

Clubs playing national sides just seems so wrong though. That's the kind of thing I'd feel guilty about viewing on the internet.

its what you do when playing pro evo

i actually don't do it in pro evo, because it feels wrong.

only when drunk and pissed yr friend picked barcelona so you just pick spain to annoy him

So, there is an international break coming up soon, according to you lot on the main thread. Anyone up for picking a match?

On football ramble (yeh, I know) they were banging on about how great argentina holland in the '78 WC final was. I've never seen it or know anything about the game except the score. Any takers?

I'd be up for that if you can find it, yeah.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdJvx51XG2A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sJV1ytFv8w&feature=related
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXPMvZT2afU&feature=related
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bx4gBNJDoZY&feature=related

how many youtube clips can you get in one post? that is 4/14 of it and it looks like the rest is there too. english commentary, quality is decent, no worse than watching the big match on itv4 if it is still on.

should we start an individual thread for that week?

It should have its own thread for gossip, anticipation &c. (inside story from LBI) but most important is to set a kick-off time. Circa 8pm is best for me but ymmv. How long is it incidentally? Wasn't it vastly extended by gamesmanship-a-plenty?

(great choice btw, huge-but-mostly-forgotten game is ideal for this)

well 14 parts that all look 10 minutes.

I was 6 at the time. I can remember the ticker tape but little else, obviously I've seen the goals since (*spoiler it is not 0-0)

Are we doing this?

We should! When are people up for it? Tomorrow at 7.45?

Yes. I was originally going to suggest later, but there's always the possibility of extra time so 7:45 would be best I think.

It needs its own thread now, and a title worthy of the occasion.

Something like 'The 1978 World Cup final: Netherlands vs Argentina: Wed 29 February 2012 at 7:45pm' should do it

oh shit there is extra time? totally not going to make 7.45, as i have to work at 10 :(

NO SPOILERS

There was a late kick off too I believe

you were the one who suggested extra time. lol if i have to come back to the thread thursday morning all 'what did i miss???' for a 30 year old game

so its cool if i set to 7.30?

Go for it. Those youtubes seem perfectly watchable but lol if that isn't jack charlton on co-commentary.

Jeez, I'm getting quite tense, this is a mammoth occasion

haha.

i don't know if i'll watch this tomorrow, tho i'll watch it some time soon. ive read about this match, and to be honest ive read countless things about this world cup, the argentinian team, menotti, conspiracy theories, the dutch etc, yet i can't say i can even remember the goals, tho i'm sure ive seen them.

If you set it for 7.30 that'll mean a 7.39 kick off - the full plastercast gamesmanship is on there. It's great build-up I've got to say.

Punditry a-team in the studio too - Cruyff's there with Clough & Keegan, I know the Scottish voice as well but can't place it.

I'd better stop watching now!

just found it and sometime during the week i am going to watch An Impossible Job, the Graham Taylor Fails To Qualify documentary. If anyone else wants to join in then...?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZwOxMxa9I4

I saw this about three weeks ago. Really interesting watch. Carlton Palmer comes across as an absolute tool.

Did I hear that Liverpool are doing a similar behind-the-scenes fly-on-the-wall expose for next season?

a liverpool doc like that wld be the first film screening they show when i make it to heaven

Here we go:

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/soccer-dirty-tackle/liverpool-allowing-fox-film-documentary-series-boost-revenue-223619853.html

:DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

So just behind the scenes of pre-season? Not that exciting I wouldn't have thought.

i dunno, i still believe these guys keep could pull something out

The decision to do the series was the idea of the club's newest American owners, who hope it will help boost Liverpool's already considerable popularity abroad, which will then increase revenue they can spend on bringing in high-priced talents like Andy Carroll, Stewart Downing and Jordan Henderson.

Excellent.

lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tk5pqwzEJuA

enjoyed watching this the other week, wimbledon doc from 93 profiling them ahead of a pre season friendly vs real madrid, who had invited them purely because they'd heard the gang was soooo crazy

all-consuming thing i remember from it now (besides footage of steve cotterill's naked arse) is just how unimaginably enormous a tosser john fashanu was

also not only did i not know about fash being a director of kiss fm as it went legit but further research tells me that his role there was originally meant to be filled by.... garth crooks!

7.30pm GMT Wednesday 29th Ferbruary 2012: ILF comes together and watches the 1978 World Cup Final - Argentina v. Holland

(posted a bunch of full matches on youtube here btw in case ppl missed it)

wowza.

there must be some time coming up when we could do this again, post-cl final pre-euros. maybe enough space for 2 or 3 games? any ideas?