Y is for Yate, the kind of town upsets come from: The FA Cup, 2012/13

Ah, it's not as though you get a chance at this thread title every year. They're bottom of Southern League Division One South & West, and they beat current Conference table-toppers Newport County 3-1 away tonight to earn a tie at Cheltenham.

AFC Fylde V Accrington
Aldershot V Hendon
Barnet V Oxford Utd
Bishop's Stortford V Hastings Utd
Boreham Wood V Brentford
Bournemouth V Dag & Red
Braintree V Tranmere
Bristol Rovers V Sheff Utd
Burton Albion V Altrincham
Bury V Exeter
Cambridge City V MK Dons
Carlisle V Ebbsfleet
Chelmsford/East Thurrock V Colchester
Cheltenham V Yate
Chesterfield V Hartlepool
Coventry V Arlesey
Crewe V Wycombe
Doncaster V Bradford PA
Dorchester V Plymouth
Fleetwood V Bromley
Forest Green V Port Vale
Gillingham V Scunthorpe
Gloucester V Leyton Orient
Guiseley V Barrow
Hereford V Shrewsbury
Kidderminster V Oldham
Lincoln City V Walsall
Luton V Nuneaton
Mansfield V Slough
Met Police V Crawley
Morecambe V Rochdale
Northampton V Bradford
Portsmouth V Notts County
Preston V Yeovil
Rotherham V Stevenage
Southend V Stockport
Swindon V Macclesfield
Torquay V Hyde/Harrogate Town
Wrexham V Alfreton
York V Wimbledon

Tie of the round would obviously be Met Police vs Crawley, but Steve Evans is at Rotherham now. Ho ho ho.

Full name: Association Football Club Fylde
Nickname(s): The Coasters
Manager: Dave Challinor

http://www.thurrockgazette.co.uk/sport/10002584.Heartache_for_brave_Rocks_who_took_Chelmsford_City_to_the_wire/

chelmsford prevail in the first round of essex bashes

met police v crawley sounds fun. shame theyre not all bobbies any more though

It will be the Met’s first appearance in the First Round since 1993 when they also faced Crawley, then a non-league outfit. The Sussex side were too strong on that occasion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bishop's_Stortford_F.C.#Current_squad

conceivably the most entertaining single set of names in world football

Blair Sturrock, released by his own father.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUYwAS9X0zk

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/63886000/jpg/_63886317_refresh-2-split-template-62.jpg

David Beckham impersonator Jamie Gleeson (right) set for FA Cup tie. "A lot of the boys say I look like Rylan from X Factor. I don't really see it."

If Wimbledon and Franchise both win their replays, they're meeting in the second round. Now is the time to root for Cambridge City.

Preston North End v Gillingham

Bury v Southend United

Sheffield United v Port Vale

Carlisle United v AFC Bournemouth

Crewe Alexandra v Burton Albion or Altrincham

Northampton Town or Bradford City v Brentford

Luton Town or Nuneaton Town v Dorchester Town

Alfreton Town v Gloucester City or Leyton Orient

Oldham Athletic v Doncaster Rovers

Braintree Town or Tranmere v Chesterfield

Rotherham United v Notts County

Cheltenham Town v Hereford United

Guiseley or Barrow v Macclesfield Town

Accrington Stanley v Oxford United

Lincoln City or Walsall v Mansfield Town or Slough Town

Harrogate Town v Hastings United

Coventry City v Morecambe or Rochdale

Cambridge City or MK Dons v York City or AFC Wimbledon

Crawley Town v Chelmsford City

Fleetwood Town v Aldershot Town

Not a bit of it, that's the ultimate grudge match. Pity Wimbledon aren't at home.

And well done to the Rylan impersonator.

"the sort of occasion which the fa cup with budweiser specialises", says jon champion with gun to his head

It's on. I hadn't twigged that Wimbledon likely won't even recognise the fixture, so in reality probably nothing to see here.

The BBC piece on this carries a quote from an anonymous fan who supported Wimbledon and changed his allegiance to MK when the old club moved. I have trouble believing such a creature exists.

i'm going to go to koya on the day when that match is on just so that i can shout "come on UDON"

Why isn't the Milton Keynes derby match live on TV?

So that's where Alan Smith ended up. (Not that one) (Or that one)

MK is on TV somewhere?

on ITV apparently. listening on the radio

Thanks NV. I forgot ITV were allowed to show football.

it doesn't sound like TV gold tbh

i'd presumed afc would rather have lost this 20-0 than entertain a replay

Gah! Nearly a fairytale ending

radio commentator pointed out they've made 6 figures from this cup run already and the replay wd likely be televised so

gutting

Cunts

cunts

confirming that there's no place for justice in football, there

sincerely hope it's been afc singing "who are ya" and not mk

"been a lot of talk about theft in the run up to this fixture, mk have stolen a win here"

fuck off and die tyldesley, seriously

The Guardian's website is somehow 10 seconds ahead of the draw live on TV

Burnsley v Barnley

West Ham. Tasty.

sick to fuck of muamba at this stage tbh

lol arsenal swansea again, triffic

The Guardian's website is somehow 10 seconds ahead of the draw live on TV

Ah - this was not evidence of a rip in the space-time continuum - I forgot that I had rewound the live images to watch the Wimbledon goal again

That's a pretty good draw imo - lots of scope for good things to happen

Apparently the Wimbledon fans were singing to MK yesterday "Where were you when you were us?"

meh to 'real fans' tbh.

we've got cupset written all over us today

newcastle shat on by the seagulls

Crisp Hull on Twitter: "Surprised that former professional footballers and current members of the Newcastle technical staff Stevie Stone and Peter Beardsley aren't on the bench, they could do a job."

I'm going to head down to Upton Park and see if I can somehow get a ticket outside. Most likely I'll just miss the game on TV as I travel back empty handed.

Good luck. I'm sure there'll be a Hammers pub nearby where you can cheer your last-minute winner.

boom Luton 1-0

surprise surfuckingprise

lol Macclesfield 2 goals in 2 minutes to go 2-1 up

kieron dyer you prat what did we want a replay for

oh well morale up i guess

Stale out

not gonna happen, but feel obliged to say it

demba ba makes me wanna be a Chelsea fan

very m*gical night in B*rcelona, that header was

keano will question hart

Ben Watson is approx Walcott's age?? he looks in his 30s. not in a bad way but

I am so happy right now.

Nobody's ever won the cup and been relegated fwiw

yeah delighted

cracking game and well deserved winners

commentator just made the point that this is the most unlikely final result since Wimbledon in '88 which is sadly otm I think? like Wigan beating City in their current state is not a massive deal in itself

It was basically the 1988 goal too iirc?

aw nice.

Wish I could rewind to the old Wigan fan staring at the sky arms outstretched like someone rolling at 4 in the morning.

mcmanaman shouldnt be fucking playing but what a performance

Awesome

So that's bye bye for Mancini?

Yes! (I missed most of the final with a trip to Sainsbury's, just caught the vital ending)

and martinez

Always nice to see a CL club get properly outplayed as well. City don't look like they give that much of a shit.

Really nice to see fans devastated at losing

those fucking logos on the ribbons

Re: Kevin Moran's medal
I think it was the other way round: they refused to give him a medal on the day and there was a campaign for him to be allowed one (at least that's how I remember it)

amazing what dropping Caldwell can do for a team

xp That rings a bell. The bell that tolls for the death of society (since replaced by that music played over the presentation)

Shit presentation

aw Scharner.

this is rather what i was suggesting about moyes the other day -- despite 11 years in the league, he hasn't been really able to outplay any of the elite sides in the way martinez has managed on a few occasions during a much shorter tenure, even his successes mostly involve fellaini murdering a dozy carrick with long balls or whatever

even if wigan get relegated, 4 consecutive seasons in the epl with such low expenditure is a significant achievement, greater than rodgers had managed prior to his move to liverpool

this should finally lay to rest the 'domestic managers don't get a chance' shit espoused by trash like kevin nolan, given that the two most prestigious names in the epl have appointed british managers in the last year, and a foreigner whose achievements outstrip theirs is probably going to get the everton or newcastle job at best

tbf I'm not sure that someone who's spent the last 18 years working in British football should even be counted as a parachuted-in forrin devil.

Reckon Martinez would stay at Wigan rather than go to Newcastle fwiw.

He turned down Villa last year, I reckon he'll stay at Wigan for a crack at Europe

this might give him the name recognition for a top 10 primera division side to appoint him, i don't think he had any great spanish profile before

even if wigan get relegated, 4 consecutive seasons in the epl with such low expenditure is a significant achievement, greater than rodgers had managed prior to his move to Liverpool

surely wigan's squad was worth much more than Swansea's last season though? i'd say finishing 11th (4 places above wigan) was quite an achievement by Rodgers.

The better I see Wigan play, the more I wonder just how exactly Martinez is getting them relegated

rodgers had sigurdsson for half of that, and the completely worth £15m joe allen

a single season isn't that difficult though, even terrible squads like norwich 11/12 or reading 06/07(?) have survived easily before

wigan have been without their best cb for most of the season and the rest of their defence cost probably £3m at most

lol trollin

wigan definitely not relegated yet. if norwich lose tomorrow I'd have them favourites to go down

Why are you posting about the premiership itt?

Anyway, if Newcastle lose tomorrow...

this is rather what i was suggesting about moyes the other day -- despite 11 years in the league, he hasn't been really able to outplay any of the elite sides in the way martinez has managed on a few occasions during a much shorter tenure

Well, except for Man City, who we always beat. (Since Jan 2008: W9 D1 L2). And we've beaten Chelsea four times since 2010. And, as for "outplayed", we've done that to Arsenal and Man Utd more than once without necessarily the right result (obviously, our record vs Wenger doesn't bear very close examination - some of the numbers are 'orrible.). And we have actually beaten all of these teams at Goodison over the years.

In fact, I'm not really sure what your point is about Martinez. He had that one win over Man Utd, and lost the other seven meetings by an aggregate of 29-0. Similarly - 3-1 vs Chelsea in 2009, one draw since, and six- and eight-goal maulings amongst the losses. Bit better vs Arsenal.

And even if it were the case that Wigan were able to regularly outclass top four teams* at their grounds while Everton weren't (which it isn't), the fact that they spend virtually all their time in the relegation zone whereas Everton are pretty comfortably top 8 or better would be more relevant. There's no point being able to turn it on for 3 or 4 big games if you lose everything else.

*from the previous season

The better I see Wigan play, the more I wonder just how exactly Martinez is getting them relegated

They play open attacking football with this as protection:

http://images.footballfancast.com/players/300px/wigan/Gary-Caldwell.jpg

the fact that they spend virtually all their time in the relegation zone whereas Everton are pretty comfortably top 8 or better would be more relevant.

― Hearing moyes confirmedare we hearing m (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Saturday, 11 May 2013 23:09 (9 minutes ago)

this is really stupid to the extent that it looks like wilful misreading. that amazing ~fact~ would be relevant if marouane fellaini didn't cost more than the entire wigan starting xi today. my argument was about /outplaying/ rather than winning, and although outplay isn't the best word in the fitba lexicon, it does roughly convey elements of tactical supremacy, territorial advantage, control of midfield, neutralization, whatever.

it's in those terms that wigan today were exemplary, as they were before when defeating ancelotti's chelsea, winning at the emirates last season etc. everton have had their successes too, but not really in the same manner.

http://www.ftbpro.com/posts/the.unsilent.minority/73194/david-moyes-wonders-on-a-shoestring-merely-a-cliche

cba verifying any of that but if it's true Everton are fifth in the ten years to 2012 points table with a net spend of £13m it looks really good, lack of cup win aside - though I suppose you could argue that if you're going to averages fifth for a decade you should maybe finish above fifth more than once.

His record in turning cheap talent into expensive talent is excellent but his bigger spends haven't always worked out. He seems to have a knack (as was mentioned in the league thread) of taking proven EPL forwards and wasting them.

arsenal look a lot better using that metric, and in any case a lot of that is helped by having £45m of twp/rodwell fall into his lap.

moyes' case is better served by looking at the wage bill, and he averages epl finishes around 6/7 with wage bills around 11/12. this is probably the main reason united appointed him and half the reason ferguson rates him so much.

Fag packet tells me Everton are nowhere near fifth in the ten year table.

Fuckin bloggers.

oh wait maybe they could be he might be counting the season before City came up - giving Everton 38 extra games

Ok, I don't watch enough football to contest yr main point about the style of Wigan's (isolated) successes vs elite teams being markedly different to the style of Everton's (slightly less infrequent) successes vs same. Kinda dubious, but if a team that's 1-29 vs Man Utd over four seasons can get everything right vs CL-contenders once every 18 months, then yay.

I'm fairly sure we've comprehensively played Mancini's lot off the park in at least a couple of our seven home'n'away victories over them, but maybe we just clogged them about, Dogs Of War style.

Very pleased about today. Maybe if EFC can lure Roberto Carlos away from Anzhi Makhachkala, we'll win the Cup next season.

xxxxp

my argument was about /outplaying/ rather than winning, and although outplay isn't the best word in the fitba lexicon, it does roughly convey elements of tactical supremacy, territorial advantage, control of midfield, neutralization, whatever

Yes and Wigan have been frequently comprehensively outplayed by all manner of teams. It's all very well looking impressive for a few games at the end of the season, but they spend most of the rest of the time playing shite. It's not as if they go out and dominate every week in terms of "tactical supremacy, territorial advantage, control of midfield, neutralization" yet somehow contrive to end up losing.

they often succeed in all of those areas but lose because they have defenders like gary caldwell or emmerson boyce on champo wages and they make stupid mistakes

you don't know shit

You're right. My partisanship has somehow blinded me to their obvious superior qualities on the numerous occasions I've seen them roll over and concede four against United.

im sad that nobody seems to remember alex mcleish when he comprehensively outplayed arsenal in the league cup final

they often succeed in all of those areas but lose because they have defenders like gary caldwell or emmerson boyce on champo wages and they make stupid mistakes

Whose fault his that then? Martinez has shown he can sign really good attacking players but defenders are a bit of a blind spot for him, or at least relatively cheap defenders. I like Martinez a lot but get a sense that he doesn't really know how to take Wigan to the next level in the league, by which I mean the level that Rodgers and Laudrup have managed at Swansea with similar turnover and expenditure. Admittedly that's building on Martinez's work, but I would like to see Bobby M working with actual money to spend and Everton would be completely the wrong move for him.

That said Swansea and Wigan winning both cups is good for British football in that it undermines your idiots who think that playing like Pulis/Allardyce/McLeish is the only way for smaller sides to succeed. And Martinez plays considerably more complex tactical football than any of those sides, which is probably why he's lasted at Wigan despite numerous relegation scares, and longer than considerably more limited managers like Jewell and Bruce (who admittedly led Wigan to much higher league positions).

arsenal look a lot better using that metric, and in any case a lot of that is helped by having £45m of twp/rodwell fall into his lap

Lescott as well. Still, Wigan have done pretty well out of player trading over recent years - Palacios, Baines, Valencia, N'Zogbia, Moses, etc, but not to that level.

Like actually a team like Newcastle would be a great move for him in that they've already got excellent scouts in place and reasonable money to spend but that would mean giving up Wigan, where the Chairman and fans will always support him, for Mike Ashley.