How much do creativity, innovation and artistry in football matter to you?

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1-0 down in the last minute, win a corner - not in the fucking slightest

wonder if that analogy can be retroactively applied to chartpop

we're 1-0 down in the last minute (as a species) and we're gonna party how we want, all having a massive orgy in the penalty area instead of crossing the damn ball in

up front i can live with a deadeyed assassin/battering ram
in the hole, on the wings, i need this shit
behind those guys, i can live with scampering violence a la sandro
my fullbacks should be able to work swift combinations and pass it
the centre hlaves, i'd be lying if i said i wouldnt miss a bit of it
every gk is an artist imo

^^^pretty much this

except I prefer my scampering violence with a touch of vision & competence

I pay a lot of money to watch football. I don't just want to support my team, I want to enjoy them, too. In the case of other teams, I couldn't give a toss.

http://i.imgur.com/ajfxse7.gif

This isn't everything in football, but it is the most important thing. The best is when some innovation catches you by surprise and you laugh out loud.

It's also why Ronaldinho is the top guy since Maradona.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auZkM0fPV_Y

dayo otm, ik otm

I don't just want to support my team, I want to enjoy them, too.

otm, anti-football is for people who only check the results at 5pm

altho i feel like once you get to a certain degree of anti-football there is hilarious joyful pleasure to be had

but i prefer the coolly efficient man-machine set-up to a rag-bag of fannydanglers and showboaters

That's true of music too, c.f. Dream Theater vs VdGG

I like to think of myself as an aficionado of pure, beautiful, inventive football but when it comes right down to it (1-0 down in the last minute) I'm as "get the fuckin baw in the box ya dick" as the next guy.

Me an' all - though tbf I quite regularly *am* the next guy :)

well yeah anyone would be, but you'd not be going 'that's good enough' if this were the situation every week

false dichotomy emerging here obv ito 'effective' somehow opposing 'good football' which is a weaselly little trapism

Basically, it matters when it's Celtic and it doesn't matter when it's Scotland.

well yeah because celtic are much better than many of their opponenets and well, yknow

if ireland were actually effective under trap id have fewer problems with ugly effective football as an opening strategy over two or three years

Would rather lose well than win badly, which is why Mourinho (occasionally hilarious Messiah-complex schtick notwithstanding) can get tae fuck.

Best kind of midfielder is always the artiste, though perhaps this attitude is shaped by the obvious lack of any such figure in Villa colours since I started watching. Merson was p. good for a while I suppose.

Up front I'm not often too bothered about all that kinda stuff really because there's a different kind of joy to be had in watching the Drogbas, Shearers, Bentekes of this world doing their iron man thing. But even so, Bergkamp was the first player that I ever truly loved and I still romanticise him as the magisterial prince of footballing artistry as a result.

But yeah, what football fan isn't in it for the occasional flashes of transcendental skill? This is at least partly the basis interest in sport across the board

I'm into music for the same thing tbh. When I'm doing my artist poll ballots I'm hunting for that one transcendent moment when everything comes into phase together more than anything, regardless of any other shittiness the track may contain.

The efficacy of artistry is really the question here. Sure, any fan will take the iron man thing in almost any position, really, but what are the realistic chances of your team doing well if they can't at least occasionally make something out of nothing?

Michael because you are a nice guy i am gonna take the high road and not do any Leeds gags itt

The Leeds squad I liked we're more efficient than artistic

hardly matters at all. i like goals though

xpost OK, at QPR this season we've been winning but it's crap to watch (until last Saturday), and the mood around the ground and on the messageboards has been far from euphoric, especially given the number of points we've put on the board. So I think there are quite a lot of people who don't find scrappy 1-0 wins week after week acceptable …

It's part of the reason why Stoke fans spent the second half of last season going "Pulis out" while Wigan fans never called for the head of Martinez even when they were spending virtually all season in the relegation zone.