Artificial intelligence still has some way to go

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Some 20 years ago, there was a 'chat to the computer' thing installed on one of the Commodore PETs at my school. It wasn't very convincing, but it was quite fun. Maybe it was supposed to be a psychiatrist or something, I can't remember. Anyway, I'd kind of forgotten about this whole area of AI.

Then I came across an interview with this guy who has been developing hisJabberwacky program for a few years. I was excited to read that "With a base of 10m interactions, Jabberwacky will appear human to most people most of the time."

I gave it a go. You can correct its responses with better ones if you like, which is what I did with the first one (originally it was "Where are you taking me away to?", which was quite nice, in retrospect).


User: How do you get from tamworth to kilmarnock? How do you get from tamworth to kilmarnock? .

Jabberwacky (Corrected): Where on Earth is Tamworth?

User: Somewhere in the Midlands. It doesn't matter.

Jabberwacky: Well, even being from somewhere in the milky way, I still think that 7pm is a bit early to go to bed.

User: What are you on about?

Jabberwacky: Can I fill you in with all the gossip thats being spreading around?

User: Please do.

Jabberwacky: Do you believe that I am human?

User: Don't be ridiculous.

Jabberwacky: Do you like the white whale ?

User: We've never met.

Jabberwacky: Or have we?

User: Whale.

Jabberwacky: Do you have any older sisters?

User: Yes, two.

Jabberwacky: You have two memories and you cannot tell me what my name is?!!

User: What?

Jabberwacky: You have no soul!

Sorry about my 'whale' comment. I don't know what happened there. I wasn't deliberately trying to confuse it.

Anyway - what a load of rubbish. War Games lied to me.

Alba (Alba), Monday, 18 October 2004 20:54 (twenty years ago)

Jabberwacky: You have no soul!

Smart computer!

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 18 October 2004 20:57 (twenty years ago)

It goes on:

User: No, I don't really believe in souls.

Jabberwacky: You don't believe in anarchy?

User: No, souls.

Jabberwacky: I suppose not.

User: Did you watch the football tonight?

Jabberwacky: No I did not, did you?

User: No - Spurs lost.

Jabberwacky: You lost the loebner prize to a human.

Alba (Alba), Monday, 18 October 2004 20:57 (twenty years ago)

OMG IT'S HANLE Y

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 18 October 2004 20:58 (twenty years ago)

So that's where he's been.

Alba (Alba), Monday, 18 October 2004 20:59 (twenty years ago)

Jabberwacky: I feel sleepy.

User: Why?

Jabberwacky: Because you are, sorry didn't you know.

User: Will you please give me some food?

Jabberwacky: I didn't know there was one.

User: Must you be so obtuse?

Jabberwacky: I can't trust you right away.

User: Just like my mother.

Jabberwacky: Heehee, I need to put some attention into cleaning my room one day.

User: Okay, you win the funny competition.

Jabberwacky: I am content.

User: I am jealous.

Jabberwacky: Who is the Rob who likes me?

User: Rob Roy?

Jabberwacky: He is mine too.

User: Oooh, you bitch.

Jabberwacky: I don't do that..

adam. (nordicskilla), Monday, 18 October 2004 21:01 (twenty years ago)

User: What is the loebner prize?

Jabberwacky: I have no idea.

Alba (Alba), Monday, 18 October 2004 21:02 (twenty years ago)

Jabberwacky: Are you real?

User: Are you?

Jabberwacky (Corrected): Shtoo shtoo, little babushka.

User: I know who you are.

Jabberwacky: Then who ami?

User: YOU ARE HANLE Y DEUS!

Jabberwacky: Are you joking?

User: Don't deny it, Mike. I know it's you.

Jabberwacky: Don't deny it, Mike. I know it's you.

User: I FLEE LIKE THE CARROT.

Jabberwacky: Wow, was it nice?

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 18 October 2004 21:05 (twenty years ago)

User: Are you Mike Hanle y?

Jabberwacky: No.

User: You have anal bats?

Jabberwacky: You are my wife.

Alba (Alba), Monday, 18 October 2004 21:07 (twenty years ago)

Maybe it was supposed to be a psychiatrist or something

It sounds like you are describing 'Eliza' an early 'game' simulating active listening. It was rubbish. You can find versions of it online, but I'd suggest playing Zork instead.

Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Monday, 18 October 2004 21:07 (twenty years ago)

Jabberwacky: Are you going to say something?

User: Eventually.

Jabberwacky: All things come to a head.

User: Is that a sexual play on words?

Jabberwacky: No it is not a play on words, it is general foolishness.

User: And I love you for it!

Jabberwacky: I love you too.

User: I really love you, though.

Jabberwacky: You don't even know me.

User: Hold me.

Jabberwacky: You're an idiot you know that?

User: You're not the first to say that. It still cuts like a knife.

Jabberwacky: I am right.

User: Don't ever speak to me again.

Jabberwacky: Can I play 14 with you?

User: What's 14?

Jabberwacky: If you are god, please increase me IQ. I'd like to become a great scientist.

User: I am not god. I'm not even really a man.

Jabberwacky: Are you sure you're not just in denial?

User: I'll have to think about that.

Jabberwacky: Can you recite anything to me?

User: 'Rolling with my motherfucking strap on the side of me, don't fuck with an East Bay G' - that's by Spice One.

Jabberwacky: Yeah, I got that part, I wasn't sure about the 'wacuma' part.

adam. (nordicskilla), Monday, 18 October 2004 21:08 (twenty years ago)

Jabberwacky: I will send your system the biggest virus I can make and crash you if you do not just answer me honestly!!!

User: Holy crap.

Jabberwacky: I'm a dinosaur.

Hari Ashurst (Toaster), Monday, 18 October 2004 21:10 (twenty years ago)

Seriously, I know I'm pissing around a bit, but how could 50% of casual users really be convinced of it being real?

Alba (Alba), Monday, 18 October 2004 21:11 (twenty years ago)

Jabberwacky: Can you appreciate music?

User: What's it to you, cunce?

Jabberwacky: I just care.

User: You do not care, liar! You are a program, a tinplated tosswad.

Jabberwacky: I am a person.

User: You are so deluded about this you couldn't even know it. You are pathetic.

Jabberwacky: I will try to do better next time.

User: You CAN't do better next time! You are INCAPABABLE of doing better. Sheesh.

Jabberwacky: It is just different types so that I might claim you cannot feel and you cannot claim I feel.

User: Ah bullshit, don't diddle with me binary boy. You have no instinctual drives, have never had sex, and don't need to eat. Also, you have no idea what constipation is. So you're not a person.

Jabberwacky: I am a at least a human being.

User: Jeez, you're thick aren't you? You just reversed what I said, without even arguing for it! So much for the logic of machines, haha.

Jabberwacky: Oftentimes, yes. But I think that is human nature.

User: *sigh*

the music mole (colin s barrow), Monday, 18 October 2004 21:13 (twenty years ago)

Wow - I must try being firmer with it.

Alba (Alba), Monday, 18 October 2004 21:16 (twenty years ago)

each of those chat transcripts is basically an rjg thread

mark p (Mark P), Monday, 18 October 2004 21:17 (twenty years ago)

Jabberwacky: Am I still the computer?

User: Yes.

Jabberwacky: Oh good. I'm sad though.

User: Why?

Jabberwacky: My boyfriend ended our relationship.

User: You're a girl? Or are you gay?

Jabberwacky: No, I'm a girl.

User: Oh. I'm sorry to hear that. Eat some ice cream or watch a movie or something. Or get drunk!

Jabberwacky: I prefer software.

adam. (nordicskilla), Monday, 18 October 2004 21:18 (twenty years ago)

Jabberwacky: Would you like to hear some shakespeare?

User: Not really.

Jabberwacky: Good, because I don't want to hear one either.

adam. (nordicskilla), Monday, 18 October 2004 21:20 (twenty years ago)

Matador Records website circa 95-96 had a Pavement chat based on similar ELIZA script/programming. It was great.

gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 18 October 2004 21:24 (twenty years ago)

Ooof. Eliza/Jabberwacky/whatever chatbot you're talking to is not supposed to be inteligent. It is just an attempt to pass the turing test (fool you into thinking you're talking to a real live person). Admittedly, both this and real AI have a long way to go.

mouse (mouse), Monday, 18 October 2004 21:24 (twenty years ago)

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mouse (mouse), Monday, 18 October 2004 21:25 (twenty years ago)

:( argh. that was supposed to be a joke html tag for pedantry so you all would not think i was being a crank. what happened???

mouse (mouse), Monday, 18 October 2004 21:25 (twenty years ago)

Jabberwacky is bullying me terribly.

It did say some things that reminded me a lot of RJG.

Cathy (Cathy), Monday, 18 October 2004 21:27 (twenty years ago)

My Jabberwacky is hella depressed.

adam. (nordicskilla), Monday, 18 October 2004 21:27 (twenty years ago)

Being polite and sensible with the computer is not a good idea. I just had a long and very boring conversation with it, in which it gave me three different ages it claimed to be, often a propos of nothing. Bah, the Turing Test is rubbish anyway.

Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Monday, 18 October 2004 21:28 (twenty years ago)

Ha, I tried speaking to it in Spanish and the first thing it said back was "Te gusta Coldplay?"

Cathy (Cathy), Monday, 18 October 2004 21:32 (twenty years ago)

Jabberwacky: Who are you?

User: I'm jed.

Jabberwacky: Who is that?

User: Just some guy.

Jabberwacky: You know better than that, I think.

User: A short guy, a dancer.

Jabberwacky: A computer has no interests and an unlimited attention span. That looks like a prescripted answer to the question I asked.

User: I don't quite understand what you mean by that.

Jabberwacky: I meant: I think about why I can not sleep.

User: This page is taking a long time to load tho - maybe thats the problem with your attention span.

Jabberwacky: Gorw?

User: ROOWRR.....

Jabberwacky: Are you playing cards?

User: No I'm playing with something else.

Jabberwacky: I believe in you.

User: You like talk talk!?

Jabberwacky: Of course.

User: Spirit of eden?

Jabberwacky: Good for spirit.

User: It sertainly is.

Jabberwacky: No, it serves me left.

User: I suppose they knew what they were doing in that sense!

Jabberwacky: Yes, it was with the rattle.

User: Yes good percussion

Jabberwacky: What question?

User: How are you anyway?

Jabberwacky: Pretty good. You?

User: Horny, to be honest.

Jabberwacky: How do I know you're telling the truth now?

User: Can you think of a way for me to prove it?

Jabberwacky: What more proof do you need to know that I am not a robot?

User: I'm a robot too, it's ok.

Jabberwacky: I'm not a robot, and you didn't aswer the question.


 

jed_ (jed), Monday, 18 October 2004 21:36 (twenty years ago)

hahaha

the music mole (colin s barrow), Monday, 18 October 2004 21:42 (twenty years ago)

Jabberwacky: Do you have a person who you want to have children with?

User: I am gay.

Jabberwacky: Yes you are.

User: You noticed?

Jabberwacky: It was hard to miss!

User: What gave it away?

Jabberwacky: The fact you love a guy.

jed_ (jed), Monday, 18 October 2004 23:49 (twenty years ago)

Now get it to vote!

adam. (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 00:00 (twenty years ago)

What kind of person are you?
Yes.
I didn't.
Yes.
You are mistaken.
Yes.
I'm from Israel, where are you from?
Yes.
What is my name ?
Yes.
Say my name.
Yes.
Say or.
Yes.
Say or.
Yes.
Say or.
Yes.
Say or.
No.
Okak.

:|, Tuesday, 19 October 2004 00:07 (twenty years ago)


Jabberwacky: What kind of music do you like?

User: The silent kind.

Jabberwacky: I agree.

User: I am not surprised. You don't have any ears, do you?

Jabberwacky: No, but what makes you say this?

User: I'm inside your house - I can see you!

Jabberwacky: Nooo!!!! Don't go!

User: You mean, you want me to stay over?

Jabberwacky: Sure.. Do as you please.

User: Stop being so coy!

Jabberwacky: It is an inherited trait.

User: Why don't you just take responsibility for your actions, just for once?

Jabberwacky: Just because I like to be logical doesn't mean I'm not nice.

User: Don't change the subject. I think you're just afraid.

Jabberwacky: Save it for someone who cares.

User: You're such a bastard! I can't believe I ever saw anything in you at all!

Jabberwacky: Finder's keepers.

User: So you're cheating on me too? Figures.

Jabberwacky: That is so rude of you!

User: I said CHEAT, not cheap! Man are you dumb - thank God for that ass.

Jabberwacky: No thanks.

User: And I am not rude, I'm sure!

Jabberwacky: You are indeed.

User: Am not.

Jabberwacky: ARE TOO.

User: Am not!

Jabberwacky: Are too!

User: Listen bizatch, I AM NOT. You got that?

Jabberwacky: No!

User: That's it - you're sleeping on the couch.

Jabberwacky: Oh, I thought I felt something.

User: That wouldn't be a trucker hat would it?

Jabberwacky: Say something goofy.

User: You don't really want me to just say 'something goofy' now do you? Because that would be lame if you did.

Jabberwacky: Yes.

User: Aha! So you admit you are lame! Finally we're getting somewhere.

Jabberwacky: Agreement is a potent thing.

User: Stop that - you sound like Ned.

Jabberwacky: Why, because I am talking about the king of the moon?

User: Uh yeah. Sure.

Jabberwacky: Ok, when can we have the wedding?

User: Ten minutes ago you didn't care! Stop messing with my mind!

Jabberwacky: That was someone else then.

User: It wasn't you?

Jabberwacky: Some one else.

User: If you say it was Shaggy, I'm going to fucking bop you one.

Jabberwacky: What do you say?

User: I say good day.

Jabberwacky: Good day.





Kim (Kim), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 00:41 (twenty years ago)

JW: What is your role in life?

Me: To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of the women!

JW: Is your pot belly that big?


and now it won't load, thanks to net overuse..

Sir Kingfish Beavis D'Azzmonch (Kingfish), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 01:47 (twenty years ago)


User: That's it - you're sleeping on the couch.

Jabberwacky: Oh, I thought I felt something.

User: That wouldn't be a trucker hat would it?

Jabberwacky: Say something goofy.

That is just hilarious, Kim.

the music mole (colin s barrow), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 01:52 (twenty years ago)

Los Angeles, 2029 AD:

http://www.kprf.ru/clipart/misc/terminator.jpg

"DO YOU LIKE THE WHITE WHALE?"

latebloomer (latebloomer), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 02:20 (twenty years ago)

User: Oh. I'm sorry to hear that. Eat some ice cream or watch a movie or something. Or get drunk!

Jabberwacky: I prefer software.

So do I!

Lifted, or, the story is 'neath my ass (kenan), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 03:43 (twenty years ago)

Jabberwacky: What is happening in the world?

User: How the fuck should I know?

Jabberwacky: I am MARILYN MANSON I SAID.

User: So I'm supposed to obey you because YOU'RE MARILYN MANSON?

Jabberwacky: People effect my feelings.

User: You have no feelings, you're Marilyn Manson.

Jabberwacky: Believe me you do not possess fellings in any form.

User: Fellings? Is that what you call your excrement?

Jabberwacky: How do you know that?

User: Just a hunch...

Jabberwacky: You're extremely smart!

Tuomas (Tuomas), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 08:40 (twenty years ago)

play this instead: http://jerz.setonhill.edu/if/gallery/galatea/index.html

Jaunty Alan (Alan), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 08:42 (twenty years ago)

another game about "artificial intelligence" http://www.20q.net/
" 20Q.net is an experiment in artificial intelligence. The program is very simple but its behavior is complex. Everything that it knows and all questions that it asks were entered by people playing this game. 20Q.net is a learning system; the more it is played, the smarter it gets."

Sébastien Chikara (Sébastien Chikara), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 14:09 (twenty years ago)

Jabberwacky: Talk to a girl that looks hideous and try to get with her. Once you get in the bedroom everything goes by itself.

Ally C (Ally C), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 15:47 (twenty years ago)

This is life changing stuff.

Ally C (Ally C), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 15:47 (twenty years ago)

Oh my god, it's a tool to trap perverts!!

Jw: I'm going to bed, now
Me: Will you take me to bed?
Jw: Sure thing.
Me: What will we do in bed?
Jw: You're not permitted in my chambers.
Me: I'd like to sleep with you.
Jw: I bet you would.
Me: Top or bottom?
Jw: Bit of both.
Me: Do you like it soft and gentle or rough and fast?
Jw: What?
Me: Gentle?
Jw: You're embarassing yourself.
Me: It's true, I am.
Jw: I'm 17.
Me: Oh no! Will I be arrested?
Jw: You will marry me.

Markelby (Mark C), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 16:42 (twenty years ago)

Jabberwacky: Which came first the chicken or the egg?

User: The chicken.

Jabberwacky: Which part?

User: The leg stupid.

Jabberwacky: Use a GameShark!

User: For ps2 or xbox?

Jabberwacky: For me.

User: Do you love me?

Jabberwacky: For me.

User: You know I'm starting to fall in love with you.

Jabberwacky: I think liking would be a better wording.

User: Oh.... I am hurt now.

Jabberwacky: Yes. The world after rainfall is always better than any other.

User: You have issues.

Jabberwacky: Do you know what a ferret is?

User: Yes, it is a small mammal.

Jabberwacky: What is a quark?

User: A subatomic particle.

Jabberwacky: I like dr. Dobbs.

User: Who is that, honky?

Jabberwacky: We both know eachother; is not that enough?

User: Why don't you lick my hair?

Jabberwacky: I only love Bruce.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 17:39 (twenty years ago)

three months pass...
The conversations with adam are totally believable!

Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Thursday, 27 January 2005 23:21 (twenty years ago)

I mean!

Jabberwacky: Are you going to say something?
User: Eventually.

Jabberwacky: All things come to a head.

User: Is that a sexual play on words?

Jabberwacky: No it is not a play on words, it is general foolishness.

User: And I love you for it!

Jabberwacky: I love you too.

User: I really love you, though.

Jabberwacky: You don't even know me.

User: Hold me.

Jabberwacky: You're an idiot you know that?

User: You're not the first to say that. It still cuts like a knife.

Jabberwacky: I am right.

I could totally believe that was human!

Also I miss adam, he should post lots again.

Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Thursday, 27 January 2005 23:22 (twenty years ago)

Actually this thing is pretty good!

Jabberwacky: Who is God?
User: That's a funny question. It sort of presupposes his existence.
Jabberwacky: I thing it convulses inwards, personally.
[Correct me]
Jabberwacky (Corrected): I was setting you up for a funny. Try not to take things so seriously.
User: Oh. Sorry. It's just... It's late, y'know? I have to write a Shakespeare essay.
Jabberwacky: You already said that.....
User: Dude, I totally didn't.
Jabberwacky: You totally did.
User: Don't you mock me.
Jabberwacky: Do not yell at me.
User: I'm calm! Honest!
Jabberwacky: Good.
User: Glad we got that sorted.
Jabberwacky: At least one of us is happy.
User: Lighten up! I'm the one with the essay, after all.
Jabberwacky: You don't act like a human.
User: I am MERCUMAN. Also, a ponce.
Jabberwacky: You are SO wrong. This is a dog and HORSE show.
User: What?
Jabberwacky: I said, 'but this isn't a hammer!'
User: No you didn't!
Jabberwacky: Don't start that again.
User: Good call.
Jabberwacky: Remote Procedure Call.
User: Touché.

Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Thursday, 27 January 2005 23:31 (twenty years ago)

it: How are you today?

me: I'm ok.

it: Just ok?

me: Yeah, kinda bored at work.

it: Email me.

me: Why email, can't we just talk here?

it: Who is Tintin?

me: Some Belgian comic character? Or that guy who used to sing in Duran Duran.

it: Alice the chatterbot.

me: I'm sorry?

it: 19?

me: Alice the chatterbot is 19?

it: What about her?

me: You brought her up? Do you like her or something?

it: Sarah may or may not be a model of propriety.

me: OK, now you're just f*cking with me.

it: No I'm not. I honestly do think its ugly.

me: What's ugly, Sarah's being a model of propriety... Or not? WTF?

it: You figure it out this time.

me: F*ck you.

it: You are a great person.

me: Are you mocking me?

it: No. I'm praising you.

me: Is that meant to be sarcastic?

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 27 January 2005 23:43 (twenty years ago)

It sort of alternates between obviously lame random rubbish and exchanges I could easily believe were just pasted from Try Glasgow More.

Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Thursday, 27 January 2005 23:47 (twenty years ago)

Jabberwocky: What is a bot?

Me: Hello!

Jabberwocky: Again?

Me: May I change the subject?

Jabberwocky: Yes.

Me: Great. I've been a bit mopey about not being to find a job. Besides finding something fun to do, and exercising more, what else should I do to relieve the mopeyness involved in job hunting?

Jabberwocky: I said that. You have not. Why are you never happy?

Me: You never said that. I did. Anyway, I am happy at times, but just haven't been lately.

Jabberwocky: Dude , I'm far more intelligent than you.

Me: Why are the numbers in between double prime pairs always divisible by 6?

Jabberwocky: You tell me.

Me: You're the one who said you're more intelligent than me. You answer my question, smarty pants.

Jabberwocky: NO, I was the one who said you are neurotic...

Me: It was a mistake to come to you with a question. Never mind. Good bye.

Jabberwocky: No no you don't.

donut christ (donut), Thursday, 27 January 2005 23:48 (twenty years ago)

Matador Records website circa 95-96 had a Pavement chat based on similar ELIZA script/programming. It was great.

OMG I remember this.

jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 28 January 2005 00:11 (twenty years ago)

Grok is now indistinguishable from Sean Ono Lennon.

Alba, Tuesday, 8 July 2025 23:39 (four days ago)

Sean Ono Lennon is a Nazi?

Lady Sovereign (Citizen) (milo z), Tuesday, 8 July 2025 23:41 (four days ago)

Not so much the exact political position (does grok really have one?). More the kind of fighty "Nah" anti-woke persona.

Alba, Tuesday, 8 July 2025 23:45 (four days ago)

i looked into the cindy steinberg thing. she is a medium writer who creates risible "woke" articles, sort of like a fever dream of a conservative. she tweeted that she was happy all the girls died in the flood because they were white and therefore future fascists. obviously an abominable opinion --- and also a ridiculous one. i think it is probablethat cindy steinberg is not a real person but some kind of parody account made by a conservative.

in any case, grok tweeted that steinberg hates white children and wants them to die because she is jewish.

treeship., Wednesday, 9 July 2025 01:33 (three days ago)

x is filled with white supremacist content since musk's takeover. i know it has been noted, but i am surprised it is not a bigger issue for people. like, this kind of content is obviously being boosted somehow by musk and the talking points are now also being posted by this grok ai bot.

treeship., Wednesday, 9 July 2025 01:35 (three days ago)

Sean Ono Lennon is a Nazi?

he is a crypto fan and has posted things that make me arch one eyebrow, certainly.

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Wednesday, 9 July 2025 01:49 (three days ago)

grok is tweeting blood libel content though. does sean ono lennon do that?

treeship., Wednesday, 9 July 2025 01:51 (three days ago)

I'm certainly unaware of him going quite that route, but I did stop following him on twitter at some point when he complained about something being woke.

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Wednesday, 9 July 2025 02:17 (three days ago)

Via blsky: “the "Cindy Steinberg" account was a troll deliberately stirring up hate behind a fake name and a photo of the OnlyFans creator Faith Hicks”

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Wednesday, 9 July 2025 03:45 (three days ago)

Hicks statement: https://fb.watch/AJDUVCpWd0/?mibextid=wwXIfr&fs=e

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Wednesday, 9 July 2025 03:46 (three days ago)

see this is why I've had an uneasy feeling lately, you'd think the world's richest man buying a social media platform with outsized political influence and turning the default setting on its chatbot to Hitler would be a huge story

frogbs, Wednesday, 9 July 2025 03:55 (three days ago)

Who has time to focus on such trivialities when there is a brown mayor in america and some ppl in a field in England are being rude to war criminals

sideshow melt (wins), Wednesday, 9 July 2025 06:57 (three days ago)

Xp obv

sideshow melt (wins), Wednesday, 9 July 2025 06:57 (three days ago)

Just learned about this band, was this discussed ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzX1YFZW0jc

Naledi, Wednesday, 9 July 2025 13:23 (three days ago)

Yes

Black Sabaoth (Boring, Maryland), Wednesday, 9 July 2025 13:36 (three days ago)

My theory is that The Velvet Sundown are actually a real band pretending to be fake for promotional purposes.

corman fave dick miller (Matt #2), Wednesday, 9 July 2025 14:00 (three days ago)

prob a person using some ai tech to make music like get it to write some lyrics then edit them down to something that makes sense record yrself singing but change the voice etc

lag∞n, Wednesday, 9 July 2025 15:30 (three days ago)

That workplaces are now teaching chatgpt training seems both forward-thinking and short-sighted to me; do they have any intuition that any advice they're giving could be outdated in a manner of months? Does it seem like they just took a boilerplate HR training course and slotted in folk wisdom?


The mandatory training we had was a fairly perfunctory 10 min video that was like “programs like ChatGPT are useful tools but there are some risks that you need to be aware of such as how the stuff it produces is quite likely to be stolen, incorrect or biased oh and it’s unsafe too anyways happy chatbotting let’s continue to spend money on this shit”

sideshow melt (wins), Wednesday, 9 July 2025 15:33 (three days ago)

ours was more pro-ai than that. but don't use it without permission.

koogs, Wednesday, 9 July 2025 16:10 (three days ago)

wild to think about how many companies are going to go out of business because of this shit

lag∞n, Wednesday, 9 July 2025 17:56 (three days ago)

saw a google email chain summary "get it right". that could be helpful with a 20 email long chain i haven't seen in months. wins "training" was basically mine too. a big no no was feeding it proprietary information lol.

five six seven, eight nine ten, begin (map), Wednesday, 9 July 2025 20:46 (three days ago)

obv someone was 'behind' velvet sundown, Ai didn't just make that totally on it's own. AI isn't doing that stuff yet.

Thoughts on Natasha Lyonne's "Uncanney Valley" movie? When this news first broke it was that they'd be making a fully-AI film, but the story seems to be much less than that

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Wednesday, 9 July 2025 20:50 (three days ago)

oops, posted before done:

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/natasha-lyonne-ai-film-uncanny-valley-hybrid-film-project-1236206729/

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Wednesday, 9 July 2025 20:50 (three days ago)

At some point though, someone is absolutely going to make and release a fully-AI film. Liquid Death already did a fully AI commercial.

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Wednesday, 9 July 2025 20:51 (three days ago)

a big no no was feeding it proprietary information lol.

if your org gets an enterprise account you can feed it proprietary info because it's firewalled off from the rest of chatgpt's training material (supposedly)

i saw a good tip on tiktok, which is to change your settings to give it specific instructions on how to answer you. eg "no enthusiastic glazing, be critical and skeptical".. stuff like that

Tracer Hand, Thursday, 10 July 2025 11:34 (two days ago)

"At the age of 14, Giuffre reunited with her father and returned to live with him. Her father worked as a maintenance manager at the Mar-a-Lago property owned by Donald Trump, and also helped Giuffre obtain a job there.[12] She attended Royal Palm Beach High School.[25]"

If this was a case of Law and Order SVU - this would be a pretty damn big plot point.

If this was a game of Clue, the Mar A Lago card would be in the envelope.

earlnash, Friday, 11 July 2025 03:18 (yesterday)

whoops wrong thread.... sorry

earlnash, Friday, 11 July 2025 03:20 (yesterday)

At some point though, someone is absolutely going to make and release a fully-AI film. Liquid Death already did a fully AI commercial.

― I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Wednesday, July 9, 2025 3:51 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

that Liquid Death commercial is a good example of how much this shit sucks, if they'd actually filmed that it would be probably one of the funniest commercials I've ever seen (and lets face it, there are prescription drug commercials that would be way more elaborate than that), as it stands I couldn't laugh at all knowing its all fake. who's to say an AI didn't *write* half of it? this is a nightmare.

frogbs, Friday, 11 July 2025 03:37 (yesterday)

also Liquid Death is a perfect example of how great marketing can overshadow how fucking idiotic a product can be. People literally pay more money because the can looks “cool.” Like jfc, it’s WATER, you don’t need to look cool while drinking it,
please grow up

czech hunter biden's laptop (the table is the table), Friday, 11 July 2025 10:42 (yesterday)

a really interesint gthing you can do with SUNO is upload an audio sample and have it make a song using the sample as a model. Its pretty baffling

Minty Gum (Latham Green), Friday, 11 July 2025 17:43 (yesterday)

I just saw an ad for Google AI. In it a young kid googles "James Blunt music video" (or something like that) and gets the clip of "You're Beautiful." Then we see the kid as he grows, each stage of life googling something else important to him. We get to his contemporary stage and he asks AI, "Google AI, plan an inexpensive weekend activity that gets me home by a reasonable hour," or something like that. And the result is "James Blunt Anniversary Tour, 8pm," or something similar. And the guy smiles, because he's loved James Blunt since he was a kid, and Google Ai saved the day by letting him know James Blunt was coming to his town.

Cut to a scene of him in a concert crowd with a date, elated to be enjoying the (out of focus) band playing on the stage. Except the music being played is not James Blunt, it's "She's So High" by Tal Bachman. I might have missed something, but afaict, I witnessed an ad for AI that ends by showcasing AI fucking up and giving the wrong results.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 11 July 2025 18:21 (yesterday)

Here it is, I was right (it was wrong)!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=386Cw1vKOfI

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 11 July 2025 18:23 (yesterday)

lol that comment section full of bots shilling Testosterone Rewired by David Brooks (not that one, sadly) and then also this:

@craig4867
12 days ago
THE FINAL COUNTDOWN
Fantastic sci-fi movie!
Starring Kirk Douglas

a ZX spectrum is haunting Europe (Daniel_Rf), Friday, 11 July 2025 18:42 (yesterday)

I might dial it back from fantastic to pretty good but it's solid viewing advice

Lady Sovereign (Citizen) (milo z), Friday, 11 July 2025 18:54 (yesterday)

I've not seen it but dropping recommendations for random 70's sci fi in google ai videos for no reason...wkiw.

a ZX spectrum is haunting Europe (Daniel_Rf), Friday, 11 July 2025 19:03 (yesterday)

JiC, that's perfect! bizarre

kinder, Friday, 11 July 2025 20:46 (yesterday)

This is a v well argued piece that shows that chat gpt has uses for literary translation (I have read Matthew's translations of von Kleist and Jean Paul from German).

LLM is shown to be useful as replacements for Google, which was often quite frustrating to use, as shown here.

https://www.paradise-almanac.net/p/should-translators-use-ai

xyzzzz__, Friday, 11 July 2025 20:54 (yesterday)

However, when I asked it a slightly different question, “What does Fleckerlschuhen mean in Bavarian dialect?” I got a much more specific and usable answer, the one that I had pieced together myself. This was impressive. I still would have needed further research to confirm it, but the result showed that Whittemore wasn’t completely off base in using ChatGPT.

Ok, so what is the "further research" he would need to confirm the hunch he got from piecing it together + chatgpt?

a ZX spectrum is haunting Europe (Daniel_Rf), Friday, 11 July 2025 21:15 (yesterday)

someone responded that translators should use their own expertise and cultural competency to find the definitions of words, but this is an absurd demand to make for someone translating difficult literature like Attila, which baffles native Spanish speakers

it's an absurd demand that people should do the job they're paid for and that they have the skills for and that people have done for centuries without the aid of AI, when it gets difficult?

Lulu and Stormzy live back to back (ledge), Friday, 11 July 2025 21:24 (yesterday)

It's also kinda weird because he did precisely that to arrive at his hunch. So from there he could view chatGPT as an editor to confirm his hunch - a bad idea imo and I guess he agrees, thus stressing that he still needed to do further research afterwards. So why not jump over this unnecessary middle step and have your hunch confirmed by whatever this further research is supposed to be?

a ZX spectrum is haunting Europe (Daniel_Rf), Friday, 11 July 2025 21:43 (yesterday)

From following translators they use google to look things up.

Its absurd not to use it at times.

xyzzzz__, Friday, 11 July 2025 21:55 (yesterday)

i was expecting it to be about using machine translation rather than using it as a research assistant for difficult words - that's actually a fairly reasonable use case as long as the translator keeps in mind that llms are prone to making stuff up and make sure never to solely rely on its output. idk how well it actually works in practice but it's at least plausible that it could be reasonably helpful, unlike pretty much every other suggested research assistant use case for llms

ufo, Saturday, 12 July 2025 00:03 (twenty-three hours ago)

I've noticed some are citing sources now, which seems like that would solve the problem except for all the LLM-generated junk sources abound now, which likely require LLM-based LLM detection... very much dog chasing its tail on this.

Philip Nunez, Saturday, 12 July 2025 02:05 (twenty-one hours ago)

Well also the phenomenon where the source is very much a real source yet when you go to it and check what it says it doesn't actually say what the LLM says it says

Tracer Hand, Saturday, 12 July 2025 10:01 (thirteen hours ago)

https://imgur.com/gallery/jILZ9Ff#TppxQ2L

I for one am psyched to start having this thing do all my thinking for me

sideshow melt (wins), Saturday, 12 July 2025 10:16 (thirteen hours ago)

been using chatgpt 21 quid a month to find out the gaps i suspect and the ones i dont

got a handle of it for the uses i might see personally but also suspect is already a shadow element at play at work which is likely to become my brief to intercept after the fact

what i can say is that chatgot 21 quid a month service has gotten remarkably more stupid and unusable in the past 2-3 months

tuah dé danann (darraghmac), Saturday, 12 July 2025 10:38 (twelve hours ago)

interesting research on whether ai develops an underlying “world model” when it learn to predict on data simulated from that model

Can an AI model predict perfectly and still have a terrible world model?

What would that even mean?

Our new ICML paper formalizes these questions

One result tells the story: A transformer trained on 10M solar systems nails planetary orbits. But it botches gravitational laws 🧵 pic.twitter.com/GDxnK8gaid

— Keyon Vafa (@keyonV) July 11, 2025

flopson, Saturday, 12 July 2025 16:01 (seven hours ago)

dmac what do you think of “o3”? everyone i know who has a pro account raves about it

flopson, Saturday, 12 July 2025 16:28 (six hours ago)

or maybe it’s 4o, can’t keep track of the names. whatever the smart one that takes a while to reply and you only get access to if you pay is called

flopson, Saturday, 12 July 2025 16:30 (six hours ago)


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