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― RJG (RJG), Monday, 26 May 2003 15:40 (twenty-one years ago) link

Me before reading this thread: :)
Me after reading this thread: :(

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Monday, 26 May 2003 18:29 (twenty-one years ago) link

richard- you're sick.

the laughter has been sucked out of this thread.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 26 May 2003 18:32 (twenty-one years ago) link

gimme a break.

― RJG (RJG), Monday, 26 May 2003 18:35 (twenty-one years ago) link

Wait, RJG wants to tickle me now too? What is going on here?

― Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 26 May 2003 20:12 (twenty-one years ago) link

"Seriously, what is UP with all the Seinfeld hate??!! "

I don't know, but there is something seriously wrong with anyone who can't see the utter genius of Seinfeld.

― A Nairn (moretap), Monday, 26 May 2003 20:38 (twenty-one years ago) link

I hate when people say things like that. Taste is taste. I have a totally instinctive revulsion to this show, a revulsion I probably should analyze -- but that would necessitate actually watching it, and life seems too short at the moment.

― amateurist (amateurist), Monday, 26 May 2003 21:08 (twenty-one years ago) link

"I hate when people say things like that. Taste is taste."

yeah, I know.

― A Nairn (moretap), Monday, 26 May 2003 21:10 (twenty-one years ago) link

i think it's funny but i think everything's funny

(even will and grace, i lied abt that upthread so as to look cool)

― mark s (mark s), Monday, 26 May 2003 22:09 (twenty-one years ago) link

haha on the doc abt brit sitcoms just now they said solemnly "the last of the summer wine is unique among sitcoms"

which is true: i don't think it's funny really

― mark s (mark s), Monday, 26 May 2003 22:10 (twenty-one years ago) link

ok a bit

― mark s (mark s), Monday, 26 May 2003 22:11 (twenty-one years ago) link

I think Last of the SW is funny and Seinfeld is funny.

Seinfeld gets criticised for its nihilism because it verges on excessive depth - for America. (The characters try to do volunteer work and fail, Elaine campaigns for equal opportunities because big breasted women are favoured over her, people turn to Judaism 'for the jokes' - the pathos of the attempt towards something that circles back into bourgeois stasis is nearly voiced. But whereas on Seinfeld minor characters suffer, on 'Curb Your Enthusiasm' Larry David is the middle class child abuser, the fake Jew, the wife beater.)

― m-ry-nn (m-ry-nn), Tuesday, 27 May 2003 07:12 (twenty-one years ago) link

http://www.seinfeldscripts.com/ now has ALL the episodes transcribed.

― Alan (Alan), Tuesday, 27 May 2003 08:34 (twenty-one years ago) link

How can anyone really vote for anything lesser than A FUCKING

GODLIKE GENIUS!

Seinfeld seriously ruined me for ALL other "sitcoms", they just all really suck in comperison.

― Jrvision (visionjr), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 07:15 (twenty-one years ago) link

this will obviously interest no one but i'v got every single episode on tapes. I'm sure i'm not the only one. My giant beloved Seinfeld shelf.

― Jrvision (visionjr), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 09:39 (twenty-one years ago) link

― Jrvision (visionjr), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 09:54 (twenty-one years ago) link

< / brag >

― Jrvision (visionjr), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 09:55 (twenty-one years ago) link

"I am a fancy boy."

― Ally (mlescaut), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 13:07 (twenty-one years ago) link

All you hataz are NOT SPONGEWORTHY.

― Elaine (nickalicious), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 13:20 (twenty-one years ago) link

I sort of find the show shrill and insulting, like a Jewish/New Yorker version of blackface minstrelry. George is like the Sambo of the UWS.

Perhaps if I watched it enough and could get into the rhythms, pick up the nuances (if there are rhythms to be gotten into and nuances to be picked up) and noticed the characters interacted with but ultimately transcended such carcicature, I'd like it better.

― amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 14:04 (twenty-one years ago) link

I get this sense that people (who watch Seinfeld) are flattering themselves in this perverse and counterproductive way by imaginging themselves to *be* these grotesque caricatures, like it gives their self-involvement some kind of splendor by association. I guess in this way it is a complex mixture of self-hatred and aspiration and conforming to others' expectations and occasional transcendence of these things as "Will and Grace." That show makes me uncomfortable too, but my superficial sense is that the staging and line delivery is better in "W&G" (I don't know about the writing).

― amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 14:08 (twenty-one years ago) link

I think a couple words left out may have rendered those last two posts incoherent. Please let me know if that's the case.

― amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 14:09 (twenty-one years ago) link

mentioning Will and Grace in a thread about Seinfeld renders everything incoherent. what is going on?

― Alan (Alan), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 14:11 (twenty-one years ago) link

"if there are rhythms to be gotten into and nuances to be picked up"

yes, Seinfeld is all about nuances and rhythms.

"staging and line delivery is better in 'W&G'"

The staging and line delivery (as well as the writing) are the main things that make Seinfeld so laugh-out-loud-able. Some of the funniest moments are based purely on the way one of the characters says something or a basic interaction (the other funniest moments come from an intricate and complicated script revealing itself).

― A Nairn (moretap), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 14:28 (twenty-one years ago) link

Line readings: they always seem to be playing to the gallery, like they're always cocking their heads audience-ward to gauge the reaction while it's happening (like: "Eh? Yeah, you think that's funny? You like that?") that slows everything to a turgid crawl for me, even if the pacing is ostensibly frenetic.

Stan Brakhage loved this show but he had bad taste far as I can tell.

― amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 14:37 (twenty-one years ago) link

Didn't he direct a bunch of episodes?

― slutsky (slutsky), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 14:39 (twenty-one years ago) link

Yeah, this is the scene where Elaine goes to buy a salad and spends 15 minutes whinging about the varieties of crouton:

http://www.fredcamper.com/PF/Brakhage/hellitself2b.jpg

― amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 14:41 (twenty-one years ago) link

The Eight-Ball Jacket.

"Are you really gonna wear that thing?"

"All signs point to 'yes'".

― hataz can lick my significant shrinkage (nickalicious), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 14:47 (twenty-one years ago) link

Nice finish on that one, Amateurist.

― slutsky (slutsky), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 14:48 (twenty-one years ago) link

Um, I've seen (I think!) pretty much every episode of Seinfeld, and I don't remember that scene.

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 14:48 (twenty-one years ago) link

Puddy is my favorite character EVAH. "I'm not the one going to hell."

― Ally (mlescaut), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 14:53 (twenty-one years ago) link

Art Vandalay.

― Chris V. (Chris V), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 14:55 (twenty-one years ago) link

"And you wanna be my latex salesman."

― Ally (mlescaut), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 14:56 (twenty-one years ago) link

AJ Pennypacker

― Chris V. (Chris V), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 14:57 (twenty-one years ago) link

Buck Naked.

― Ally (mlescaut), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 15:02 (twenty-one years ago) link

Advantage, VARNSEN!

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 15:02 (twenty-one years ago) link

"We already got a T-Bone. It's Neil, in accounting"

(I actually work with a Neil, in accounting, and yes, we called him T-Bone for a while)

― Ally (mlescaut), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 15:04 (twenty-one years ago) link

"I'm not gay! My names Buck Naked and I'm an out of work porn star!"

My fav line:
"I'm gone for two weeks and you turn my house into...into..Bourbon Street!"

― Chris V. (Chris V), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 15:05 (twenty-one years ago) link

"Oh... I spend Baby!"

― Chris V. (Chris V), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 15:06 (twenty-one years ago) link

"But I don't want to be a pirate!"

― Ally (mlescaut), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 15:09 (twenty-one years ago) link

Jerry Stiller rocks. I even watch King of Queens just for him.

http://wwwimage.cbs.com/primetime/king_of_queens/images/sub_bio_pic_jstiller.jpg

― Chris V. (Chris V), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 15:11 (twenty-one years ago) link

I hate all the Stillers. I think I basically hate all of this nth generation Borscht Belt humor.

― amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 15:12 (twenty-one years ago) link

http://www.movieprop.com/tvandmovie/Seinfeld/puddy.jpg

― Ally (mlescaut), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 15:14 (twenty-one years ago) link

high five, Ally.

― Chris V. (Chris V), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 15:16 (twenty-one years ago) link

Low five.

― Ally (mlescaut), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 15:17 (twenty-one years ago) link

The show would definitely suck without Kramer. In certain ways
he's as shallow as petty as the others, but he's also so sincere
and puppy-dog-like, you can't help but sympathize with him -
as he falls flat on his arse time after time. All of his half-arsed
schemes fail, don't they? And he apparently doesn't have a job; I
think he literally survives by eating Jerry's food.

Will & Grace doesn't deserve to be mentioned in the same
thread, much less paragraph. It's just so cheap and
obvious, although the pill-popping secretary is vaguely entertaining.

― squirl plise (Squirrel_Police), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 15:32 (twenty-one years ago) link

Kramer has a job...he's on strike from the bagel joint.

― Chris V. (Chris V), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 15:33 (twenty-one years ago) link

Ok, so in the window of my office is a big huge model ship. I'm not sure why. Our company has nothing to do with cruises, shipbuilding, fishing, the ocean, etc. It's just there. And all the time, we are getting people ringing the bell to ask us about the goddamned ship, like the ship is some kind of interesting thing. So I'm outside smoking, and this old couple comes up and asks me about the ship, like what happens all the damned time.

Thanks to this thread, I blurted out, "It's the Andrea Doria."

― Ally (mlescaut), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 15:33 (twenty-one years ago) link

Kramer does have a job. He's a bagel maker. He's just on strike, yo.

Argh. crosspost.

― NA. (Nick A.), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 15:34 (twenty-one years ago) link

Amateurist: No_self_hatered=No_sense_of_humor.

― Jrvision (visionjr), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 16:35 (twenty-one years ago) link

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Seinfeld: Classic or Dud

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