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that page is wrong, those aren't cuts, it's one long take!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 12 May 2005 20:52 (nineteen years ago) link

i know--he placed scrims and black boards in front of the camera to effect "cuts" i think.

― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Thursday, 12 May 2005 20:55 (nineteen years ago) link

that whole description is totally dubious. "There is no dialogue so it is totally abstract."

― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Thursday, 12 May 2005 20:56 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm excited for this film!

― Remy (x Jeremy), Thursday, 12 May 2005 20:58 (nineteen years ago) link

The title refers to the bleak residential area on the edge of the desert near L.A.

This kind of blanket description annoys me.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 12 May 2005 20:58 (nineteen years ago) link

I don't think Collateral's going to be a good reference point. He references the lack of tight grain in early 35mm which sounds like there's going to be a good deal of digital noise and 'ugliness' (to some).

Collateral had almost no noise and it would be hard to argue that it didn't look pretty close to 35mm film.

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Thursday, 12 May 2005 20:59 (nineteen years ago) link

sort of...although it registered fast motion and light (esp. low light and quick light changes) very differently from 35mm.

― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Thursday, 12 May 2005 21:02 (nineteen years ago) link

What's with the 35mmism, ILX? Surely one of Full Frontal, Pieces of April, Tadpole, Festen, Chuck and Buck, or Dancer in the Dark can sway you? Hasn't this argument long been settled?

― Remy (x Jeremy), Thursday, 12 May 2005 21:50 (nineteen years ago) link

The Inland Empire is where Shakey Mo Collier is from!

As well as incredibly legendary skate spots, a decent arts colony, and home of a one-time interesting music scene - Refrigerator, Nothing Painted Blue, Diskothi-Q and (file-them-in-the-Where-Are-They-Now?-Category) the Mountain Goats.

― gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 12 May 2005 21:57 (nineteen years ago) link

Haha wait all those movies looked pretty terrible.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 12 May 2005 21:57 (nineteen years ago) link

I think Festen and Tadpole both look good!

― Remy (x Jeremy), Thursday, 12 May 2005 22:01 (nineteen years ago) link

New David Lynch film = best news of my day. And I even bought awesome new sandals this afternoon, so. Also, in the syllogistic-premonition category: Poland is great, so this film will be great.

― rrrobyn (rrrobyn), Thursday, 12 May 2005 22:04 (nineteen years ago) link

Haha wait all those movies looked pretty terrible.

Alex took the words out of my mouth! Dancer in the Dark, as much as I like it story and music-wise, looks awful; I never wanted a movie to be in Cinescope so much.

― kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 12 May 2005 22:08 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, Dancer is easily the poorest looking Von Triers movie.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 12 May 2005 22:10 (nineteen years ago) link

BTW I like DV just fine (and the idea of Lynch using a DV too.) I just don't think the above are good examples of fine looking DV movies.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 12 May 2005 22:12 (nineteen years ago) link

festen looks good in its particular one-chip way.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 12 May 2005 22:34 (nineteen years ago) link

Pieces of April didn't look completely terrible, but the gritty/doc feeling of the cinematography didn't work with the subject at all.

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Thursday, 12 May 2005 23:36 (nineteen years ago) link

A Lynch film on HD (ala Collateral) could be incredible, though, with the amount of color work he could do in post. When I think of my fave Lynch films there's a certain visual lushness that would be lost on noisy/flat DV.

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Thursday, 12 May 2005 23:38 (nineteen years ago) link

what i like about Lynch's special effects is that they are actually achieved right there in front of the camera or with film effects (for example the transformation of bill pullman into balthazar getty in Lost highway which seems to be acheived with speeded up footage and overlapped film) and don't have that fake sheen that digital effects often have. I'm still psyched about this and keen to see what he does with the medium, of course.

― jed_ (jed), Thursday, 12 May 2005 23:53 (nineteen years ago) link

most of lynch's "special effects" are like weird lighting shifts and fucked-up industrial noises. but yeah when he does do a more traditional "effect" it often has a sort of homegrown quality that calls attention to itself in an appealing way.

i really adore him without thinking any of his films are exactly perfect or even my favorites. although the short film mentioned above and the final episode of twin peaks are pretty close to perfect.

― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Friday, 13 May 2005 01:17 (nineteen years ago) link

man i gotta do the whole twin peaks thing again sometime soon.

amateurist have you seen the "pilot" version of mulholland drive ever?

― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 13 May 2005 01:20 (nineteen years ago) link

not am, but I have.

― gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 13 May 2005 01:21 (nineteen years ago) link

how do you know he hasn't?

just kidding. what was it like?

― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 13 May 2005 01:22 (nineteen years ago) link

and how did you get it? ebay? torrent?

― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 13 May 2005 01:22 (nineteen years ago) link

amateurist have you seen the "pilot" version of mulholland drive ever?

yes, my roommate ca. 2000 had it.

― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Friday, 13 May 2005 01:25 (nineteen years ago) link

I got it from superhappyfun, weak VHS dub (plus two Lynch-directed commercials). It was almost exactly what you'd expect it to be from watching the movie (same plot, no lezzing up, minus the twist, monster (I think), silencio, etc.).

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Friday, 13 May 2005 01:27 (nineteen years ago) link

surely not the SAME plot.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 13 May 2005 01:28 (nineteen years ago) link

so i guess everyone in the world but me has seen it. well that's just great. i hope you guys ENJOYED it.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 13 May 2005 01:28 (nineteen years ago) link

Very disappointing that it wasn't made into a series. It could have been fantastic, based on the performances and setting. I don't know where it would have gone as a series, though - Laura Palmer-esque season-long investigation? Hott blonde and brunette detective agency?

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Friday, 13 May 2005 01:29 (nineteen years ago) link

ding ding ding on that last one.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 13 May 2005 01:30 (nineteen years ago) link

If I can find my DVD-R, I'll mail it to you. I kind of doubt that I'll ever have the overwhelming desire to watch it again.

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Friday, 13 May 2005 01:30 (nineteen years ago) link

ding ding ding on that one too! thanks!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 13 May 2005 01:31 (nineteen years ago) link

am!st and s1ocki, tell me more about why you like the Lumiere film so much.

― jed_ (jed), Friday, 13 May 2005 01:34 (nineteen years ago) link

i think i'll write on essay on it one of these days.

― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Friday, 13 May 2005 03:58 (nineteen years ago) link

sorry, that's not a good answer, but it's all i've got at the moment.

― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Friday, 13 May 2005 03:59 (nineteen years ago) link

Inland Empire is very overdue as a cinematic setting on such a ...scale....so hurrah. this is v exciting.

― Vichitravirya XI, Friday, 13 May 2005 04:09 (nineteen years ago) link

i really adore him without thinking any of his films are exactly perfect or even my favorites.

totally.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 13 May 2005 04:09 (nineteen years ago) link

I remember there was this series of I think French cigarette commercials or something by various famous directors and Lynch's was really amazing!

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Friday, 13 May 2005 04:12 (nineteen years ago) link

I'd be interested in reading that essay, am, you shill.

I still haven't seen all of twin peaks and I think I really need to.

― cozen (Cozen), Friday, 13 May 2005 08:15 (nineteen years ago) link

this is awesome and i am excited!

― latebloomer: the rebel sound of grits and bacon (latebloomer), Friday, 13 May 2005 11:01 (nineteen years ago) link

i love how he says "all kinds of controls to dial in the look you want", like his DV setup has a big soviet-era panel with knobs and levers all over it.

― jones (actual), Friday, 13 May 2005 14:46 (nineteen years ago) link

he uses a lot of antiquated phrases like "dial in." i.e., "peachy keen."

― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Friday, 13 May 2005 15:39 (nineteen years ago) link

I think he could totally do some cool things with the "ugliness" of DV.

― n/a (Nick A.), Friday, 13 May 2005 15:54 (nineteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...

finally found the DVD-R, if you still want it Slocki. e-mail me your address and I'll put in the mail this week.

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Monday, 30 May 2005 22:02 (nineteen years ago) link

Why a duck?

― Pete Scholtes, Tuesday, 31 May 2005 17:23 (nineteen years ago) link

What I've seen:
Eraserhead - classic
The Elephant Man - undeniably classic
Blue Velvet - halfway-to-classic
Wild At Heart - rather odd, but it gets more classic as it progresses
Twin Peaks first season - undoubtedly classic

Therefore, Lynch = classic so far.

― Ian Riese-Moraine's exploding hamster zeppelin! (Eastern Mantra), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 19:04 (nineteen years ago) link

I watched Mulholland Drive again last night and was amazing by how much it actually makes sense.

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 19:05 (nineteen years ago) link

yes, i thought the same when i watched it for about the 5th time last week.

― jed_ (jed), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 19:07 (nineteen years ago) link

these days I think his only not-very-successful film is Lost Highway and at least that one looks cool

― kyle (akmonday), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 19:14 (nineteen years ago) link

And has good music.

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 19:15 (nineteen years ago) link

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