i will reiterate BTW that i don't eat at BK etc...
― katie, Wednesday, 3 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
I mean, wanting a better world or society isn't about a single aim as such is it?.....it's about a series of goals in harmony with each other or something to that effect. And for that reason I sympathise with Katies position quite alot, I mean it's not so cut and dried, I guess is what I'm saying and it's possible for people to argue that we shouldn't be going full speed in any one direction, but moving in a number of directions at once. And if you believe vegetarianism is one of these directions then I think that's fair enough. Even if, at times there is a little conflict.
― Ronan, Wednesday, 3 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
if Ronan were any more OTM he'd destabilise the economies of whole countries!
― mark s, Wednesday, 3 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
bah.
― Samantha, Wednesday, 3 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
As someone who runs a multimational I too know the deep heartfelt problems in dealing with global issues on both a macro and a micro scale. (Not though, by definition mulitmationals are nicer than multinationals).
― Pete, Wednesday, 3 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Dare, Wednesday, 3 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Andy K, Wednesday, 3 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Alan Trewartha, Wednesday, 3 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
I've always been pretty ambivalent re McDonalds & Fast Food chains low paid Macjobs. After all in the sector which I work in (Student Unions) over fifty percent of student workers are paid the minimum wage. Not in my shops I hasten to add, but then we make less profit...
Anyway if the manager in the Macdonalds in my home town can kill a rat in front of kids this is the kind of fast food restaurant/Japanese Monster Wrestling I want to see.
Which in your case Ronan is probably arguing with lots of people on your journalism courses who are not looking at a lot of the pat No Logo arguments they are recycling (cheers) without thinking about them themselves. I'm not saying that these arguments are necessarily wrong but a lot bear thinking about on an individual level. Especially as May Day is coming up.
I did think of what you said Pete, but also I wonder about people really being able to affect the world. I mean we can say "oh global injustice can be stopped" but I don't genuinely believe it WILL be. And if it won't be then the fact that it COULD be seems kind of pointless. All this is a bit negative perhaps, but I don't see it that way, it's just how it is as far as I'm concerned. That is to say, I'm not majorly freaking out or worried, I just see these things as kind of constants.
What you say about No Logo and the like is worth saying obv. What's started to get me irritated recently is these same people looking at the right and associating them with religious fundamentalism and then having a good old laugh. But what the hell is all their anti- globalisation talk if it isn't religion without a god. I mean the rhetoric is all based on "informing people", "if only they knew"=>"saw the light"=>"oh we better spread the word" It's uncannily biblical stuff really.
― Tracer hand, Wednesday, 3 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Dan Perry, Wednesday, 3 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 3 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Lindsey B, Wednesday, 3 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― jen, Wednesday, 3 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
Moby likes to watch Ronan watching others stuff briskets down vegetarian throats. It's a voyeur thing.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 4 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
They both contribute to animal slaughter [well duh, meat dun' grown on trees]; both offer bland, homogenised food options; both use excessive amounts of packaging; both advertise to children and employ the ethically dubious 'pester power'; both employ cheap, unskilled and most significantly casualised labour; both are owned by American parent companies meaning that profits aren't kept in the community.
None of these are unique to McDonalds and Burger King, nor am i tryna suggest that either corporation is the evil spawn of satan [newsflash: i don't like Starbucks either; that's cause their coffee = swill]. it was just hilarious and yet scary the way these Impressionable Youths had so easily bought anti-McDonalds hype without thinking too hard about the issues it is [was] based upon.
anyway, it was really cute and funny. that was my point. i think.
― petra jane, Thursday, 4 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Dan Perry, Friday, 5 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― maria, Saturday, 6 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link