so jargon is annoying, but lingo, technical terms and shop talk are good, even thought they're the same thing
― goole, Monday, 5 April 2010 16:47 (fourteen years ago) link
vernacular >>> argot >>> jargon >>> lingo
also I was just fkn waiting for nakhchivan to find this thread, goddamn
― william mcgonadal's tay ridge disaster (acoleuthic), Monday, 5 April 2010 16:47 (fourteen years ago) link
the third definition of "jargon" on MW is amazing:
obscure and often pretentious language marked by circumlocutions and long words
― Wood shavings! Laughing out loud! (HI DERE), Monday, 5 April 2010 16:48 (fourteen years ago) link
"jargon," to me, seems almost necessarily tied to obfuscation. like, it's a sort of code-switching that happens when some subset of ppl in the room want to have a conversation unencumbered by deference to ppl not in the know. or when they want to get "credit" for relaying information to someone (in the most precise way possible!) while knowing full well that the exact opposite has happened.
this is why i don't rly think of medical language as jargon, it's sort of unavoidable that science needs acronyms and neologisms whereas marketing probably doesn't
― nakhchivan, Monday, 5 April 2010 16:49 (fourteen years ago) link
exactly--i'll take medical jargon over business jargon any day of the week
― Mr. Que, Monday, 5 April 2010 16:51 (fourteen years ago) link
both of those jargons should be in quotes
business jargon is used to justify the speaker's fukkin existence, imo (see also the shamelessly self-aggrandizing (!) language deployed by the "design community"). most other jargon is used to streamline conversation and, also imo, deliberately exclude non-practitioners.
― drink more beer and the doctor is a heghog (gbx), Monday, 5 April 2010 16:54 (fourteen years ago) link
i dunno, business jargon doesn't really bother me either, anymore. it's all meant to express something. medicine has its own very specific technical-expression needs and so the language follows. business has more social information that people want to get across -- mostly saying-without-saying kind of bs -- alongside whatever factual or technical thing is being communicated. that's fine.
― goole, Monday, 5 April 2010 16:55 (fourteen years ago) link
business has more social information that people want to get across -- mostly saying-without-saying kind of bs -- alongside whatever factual or technical thing is being communicated. that's fine.
bs! exactly.
― Mr. Que, Monday, 5 April 2010 16:57 (fourteen years ago) link
xp yeah I agree with that goole - that's some nice blue-sky thinkin you're generating
― ain't no thang but a chicken ㅋ (dyao), Monday, 5 April 2010 16:58 (fourteen years ago) link
i mean yeah, i find the whole thing hateful and abusive of the King's English and all, but i've never had to corral a bunch of people who don't care or flat out don't like each other to make something that nobody on earth really cares about, for money, and that's basically the world of quote-unquote productive enterprise. no wonder the language gets mangled.
― goole, Monday, 5 April 2010 16:58 (fourteen years ago) link
i have been told to "action this going forward" by someone who meant "do this now".
― 404s & Heartbreak (jim in glasgow), Monday, 5 April 2010 16:59 (fourteen years ago) link
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
― Mr. Que, Monday, 5 April 2010 16:59 (fourteen years ago) link
there ya go. bullshit!
ha i guess i'm lucky enough to have avoided that kind of heavy businessese so far
― goole, Monday, 5 April 2010 17:00 (fourteen years ago) link
distinction of jargon from technical language, no? (fuckin many xposts) altho I'm stupid enough to think that what even many of the wackier cont. phil. folks are doing could be described as technical writing.
poisonouse
I looked this up. Ought've read next post.
― FC Tom Tomsk Club (Merdeyeux), Monday, 5 April 2010 17:02 (fourteen years ago) link
dude i am telling you the shit that people will say when they are trying to explain to a client why they made a logo/layout look a certain way (ie why it cost so much $$$$) would make you self-harm
― drink more beer and the doctor is a heghog (gbx), Monday, 5 April 2010 17:03 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah well people sure can get lost in their own world, especially when they think they ought to be paid. that's the danger i guess, jargon insulates you from thinking, rather than speeding up the process. and when you hit a difficult spot, it's like a panic button that doesn't do anything anymore. "b-but i'm LEVERAGING here"
― goole, Monday, 5 April 2010 17:09 (fourteen years ago) link
patients would ask me to take 'em on smoke break and I'd be like "ahora no, estoy muy preocupado"
lmao this is awesome
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 5 April 2010 23:51 (fourteen years ago) link
"Action this going forward" sounds like the birth of a new language.
― adamj, Tuesday, 6 April 2010 04:26 (fourteen years ago) link
As in the syntax starting to tear completely away from standard English.
― adamj, Tuesday, 6 April 2010 04:27 (fourteen years ago) link
'action it going forward year on year' to give it it's full due.
― Jesse James Woods (darraghmac), Tuesday, 6 April 2010 13:25 (fourteen years ago) link
I'm pretty sure that is code for "kick me in the neck"
― Wood shavings! Laughing out loud! (HI DERE), Tuesday, 6 April 2010 13:33 (fourteen years ago) link
lol
― uh is that miseplled? (acoleuthic), Tuesday, 6 April 2010 13:35 (fourteen years ago) link
LETHAL WEAPON 7: ACTION THIS
― Mr. Que, Tuesday, 6 April 2010 13:36 (fourteen years ago) link
ameliorate
― 鬼の手 (Edward III), Tuesday, 6 April 2010 14:28 (fourteen years ago) link
heh insufferably tempted to just post what these words all mean as they come up, which would garner huge sb action
― Jesse James Woods (darraghmac), Tuesday, 6 April 2010 14:29 (fourteen years ago) link
hahaha I am right there with you on that
― Wood shavings! Laughing out loud! (HI DERE), Tuesday, 6 April 2010 14:29 (fourteen years ago) link
thread of not using Google
― uh is that miseplled? (acoleuthic), Tuesday, 6 April 2010 14:30 (fourteen years ago) link
but i mean seriously who doesn't know what ameliorate means
― Jesse James Woods (darraghmac), Tuesday, 6 April 2010 14:30 (fourteen years ago) link
^ sb
I thought ameliorate was what you do on yelp
― armando white (dyao), Tuesday, 6 April 2010 14:33 (fourteen years ago) link
ameliorate = a lecture given by an acne-ridden teenager
― uh is that miseplled? (acoleuthic), Tuesday, 6 April 2010 14:34 (fourteen years ago) link
it's a site for grading disappearances over the atlantic
― Jesse James Woods (darraghmac), Tuesday, 6 April 2010 14:38 (fourteen years ago) link
uh...pacific?
yeah pacific
― Mr. Que, Tuesday, 6 April 2010 14:39 (fourteen years ago) link
get your dead American female pilot deaths straight
mine was better
― uh is that miseplled? (acoleuthic), Tuesday, 6 April 2010 14:40 (fourteen years ago) link
i don't get yours
― armando white (dyao), Tuesday, 6 April 2010 14:41 (fourteen years ago) link
hey there's fuck all evidence that earhart died over the pacific, lay offa me
― Jesse James Woods (darraghmac), Tuesday, 6 April 2010 14:42 (fourteen years ago) link
a mealy orate
― uh is that miseplled? (acoleuthic), Tuesday, 6 April 2010 14:43 (fourteen years ago) link
mealy = acne ridden??
― armando white (dyao), Tuesday, 6 April 2010 14:44 (fourteen years ago) link
a me a li or a te
― Jesse James Woods (darraghmac), Tuesday, 6 April 2010 14:44 (fourteen years ago) link
(sound of music sequel)
well sure, but she certainly didn't die anywhere near THE ATLANTIC OCEAN
― Mr. Que, Tuesday, 6 April 2010 14:44 (fourteen years ago) link
land, survive, float, starve
― Jesse James Woods (darraghmac), Tuesday, 6 April 2010 14:46 (fourteen years ago) link
there's a helluva CSI: 1920's episode waiting to be written right there
darragh's post would work better if the word was spelled atitanicorate
― armando white (dyao), Tuesday, 6 April 2010 14:47 (fourteen years ago) link
eh 1930's.
1940 by the time she'da starved, maybe. anyway, that's not important.
― Jesse James Woods (darraghmac), Tuesday, 6 April 2010 14:47 (fourteen years ago) link
darragh's posts would work better if there was a 'fact' equivalent of spellcheck
― Jesse James Woods (darraghmac), Tuesday, 6 April 2010 14:48 (fourteen years ago) link