seems a million years ago
― blueski, Monday, 31 March 2008 15:53 (sixteen years ago) link
The RAEF era morelike
― Dingbod Kesterson, Monday, 31 March 2008 15:54 (sixteen years ago) link
What is Raef?
― Matt DC, Monday, 31 March 2008 15:57 (sixteen years ago) link
Tool of our times.
― Dingbod Kesterson, Monday, 31 March 2008 15:58 (sixteen years ago) link
there's nothing wrong with loving roy o, surely?
that vanity lair pogramme is hideous, odious, reprehensible.
― stevie, Monday, 31 March 2008 16:23 (sixteen years ago) link
of course there's nothing wrong with it: I just don't think it makes you hip
― the pinefox, Monday, 31 March 2008 16:45 (sixteen years ago) link
it does if you look like alexa chung
― laxalt, Monday, 31 March 2008 16:55 (sixteen years ago) link
this is the interview mentioned in the ... interview: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzaJoIUV57E
OK, the band seem rubbishy, stupid and complacent, and Chung (without having to do anything) thus comes off slightly better than them - but my goodness, Laura Barton's idea of her impishly 'correcting their grammar' = ... she says 'any', rather than 'either', once. ... That's ... it.
― the pinefox, Monday, 31 March 2008 20:20 (sixteen years ago) link
lol insipid
― fields of salmon, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 05:41 (sixteen years ago) link
ha, the chung article was the 'most read' on the website yesterday.
― banriquit, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 10:46 (sixteen years ago) link
why do we even bother
― Dingbod Kesterson, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 10:49 (sixteen years ago) link
I'm not sure if there's much point in endlessly picking at lifestyle fluff when there's so much worse than gets printed in the main section of this and the Observer. Max Hastings on Boris being the latest offender.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 10:59 (sixteen years ago) link
'OMG HERE'S A FEMALE JOURNALIST WRITING ABOUT HER HOLIDAY BURIED ON PAGE 7 OF THE SUPPLEMENT WHAT HAS BECOME OF THIS FINE OLD INSTITUTION?!"
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 11:01 (sixteen years ago) link
Women shouldn't write
^^^real talk
― Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 11:03 (sixteen years ago) link
OK, DC: endlessly pick at other, worse things.
― the pinefox, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 11:05 (sixteen years ago) link
Well, Hastings on Johnson is exactly what anyone would expect him to have written, and nothing more than I would expect from a canting, ranting rightwing rag like the Observer.
― Dingbod Kesterson, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 11:14 (sixteen years ago) link
Whereas you were expecting maybe Pulitzer prize winning journalism from Laura Barton interviewing Alexa Chung?
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 11:18 (sixteen years ago) link
Matt's point is a good one.
I haven't read "The Observer" in over a year. I don't know why anybody would read it, it's BORING.
― Pashmina, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 11:19 (sixteen years ago) link
"Dear Mariella" is always v. v. good. Basically because she invariable tells whinging men to pull their socks up and don't be such cunts. She'd sort the boys on this thread out, straight away.
― Masonic Boom, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 11:20 (sixteen years ago) link
there's fluff and fluff, entertainment journalism and entertainment journalism. an interview with chung is what it is, but laura barton is less good at it -- certainly less guardian-y, if that means anything now -- than she ought to be, given how much she is asked to churn out. maybe that's the real issue, the sheer amount of crap.
which i half-read and link to lol.
xpost
― banriquit, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 11:21 (sixteen years ago) link
Like she sorted Jobbers out? (xp)
― Tom D., Tuesday, 1 April 2008 11:22 (sixteen years ago) link
Well we all know how she got where she is today...
The question is why the Guardian should be interviewing a nonentity like Chung in the first place.
― Dingbod Kesterson, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 11:23 (sixteen years ago) link
the boys on this thread
― the pinefox, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 11:23 (sixteen years ago) link
where?
― Dingbod Kesterson, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 11:24 (sixteen years ago) link
She likes the boys in this thread/She said that I'm her all-time favourite
― Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 11:25 (sixteen years ago) link
Remember, ILxors: Frostrup thinks you're scum.
― Dingbod Kesterson, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 11:26 (sixteen years ago) link
I don't know, DK - KtS seems interested in them
in a way, Chung (or: the interview with her) maybe does represent something bad - the too-easy victory of looks and (intellectual) laziness. it's one thing for such a person to get gigs on TV, but a long Guardian interview is granting her a kind of credibility or substance that (as it proves) she doesn't have.
she doesn't deserve to be picked on and abused any more than anyone else, but she doesn't deserve to be fawned over, treated as though her opinions are interesting, etc, either.
― the pinefox, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 11:26 (sixteen years ago) link
Alexa Chung is not a nonentity, she co-hosted a highly successful satirical TV show with Sir Ben Elton!
― Tom D., Tuesday, 1 April 2008 11:27 (sixteen years ago) link
Top Tory comedian!
― Dingbod Kesterson, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 11:29 (sixteen years ago) link
looking forward to the George "pineahpul onna peetzah yor avin a larf shabbbabaaaa" Lamb interview
― blueski, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 11:32 (sixteen years ago) link
Is that a transcription of genuine Estuarine Straggle?
― Tom D., Tuesday, 1 April 2008 11:33 (sixteen years ago) link
George Lamb - Eustonist With Attitude
― Dingbod Kesterson, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 11:34 (sixteen years ago) link
xpost No, "we" don't know how Mariella got where she is today. Enlighten us?
BTW I always thought the invective of the andro half of the chattering classes directed at Polly Filla-style columnists or journalists but not their male counterparts was institutionalized sexism, pure and simple. It never suggests to me the critic has a better idea of what to write about. At the very least it's the parcelling off of personal shortcomings onto some blameless working woman, especially where the aspirant hacks among you are concerned. Estimation of writing skills is purely subjective, and when you learn most editors would rather get in copy on time that doesn't need to be vastly subbed, and would rather get it from someone who isn't a social retard and their readers have heard of (or who could help them in their own networking). Also, for the bonus ball, if a zillion butthurt people write in moaning that a writer sucks or whatever, the editors are going to commission again due to Heated Debate Factor.
You. Cannot. Win.
― suzy, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 11:35 (sixteen years ago) link
Certainly I can't think of any males writers who attract zingage from ILM or E.
― Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 11:37 (sixteen years ago) link
We should bump that 2,000 post "Martin Samuel is always pleasant to read and look at" thread.
― Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 11:38 (sixteen years ago) link
People are generally unstinting in their praise of A. Petridis and J. Harris, for instance
― Tom D., Tuesday, 1 April 2008 11:38 (sixteen years ago) link
http://www.sportsjournalists.co.uk/img/samuel_and_parkinson.jpg
"Are we allowed a croissant?"
― Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 11:39 (sixteen years ago) link
In the same way that if I submit a book manuscript for consideration I would rather have someone read it and give me a firm decision about publication and/or appropriate advice regarding editing, style and so forth, rather than someone who takes the manuscript away, sits on it for two years, offers me paltry excuses and drops out.
I. Cannot. Win.
― Dingbod Kesterson, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 11:39 (sixteen years ago) link
Heh - this is exactly what happened a few years ago when my friend since school wrote in with a '40 years old and gay, what shall I do with the rest of my life?' question - and got short shrift.
He was really offended by the answer which suggested that he had a selfish outlook on life and that he should think about having a child.
― Bob Six, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 11:40 (sixteen years ago) link
"Mariella Frostrup does loads of voiceovers and nothing much else yet she seems to get buy..."
― Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 11:41 (sixteen years ago) link
"Beautiful Liar" best thing on this thread so far, tbh.
-- Dom Passantino, Tuesday, April 1, 2008 12:37 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Link
free passes all round
― banriquit, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 11:41 (sixteen years ago) link
He might have received a more helpful response from a qualified counsellor rather than some crappy Norwegian waitress who fucked her way towards a position of pseudo-authority.
― Dingbod Kesterson, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 11:42 (sixteen years ago) link
... with Mariella Frostrup
― Tom D., Tuesday, 1 April 2008 11:42 (sixteen years ago) link
question is why laura barton is someone "readers have heard of", rather than the other somewhat more off-base gubbins.
― banriquit, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 11:42 (sixteen years ago) link
Oh, haven't you read Offbase Gubbins' column yet? He's very talented.
― Tom D., Tuesday, 1 April 2008 11:43 (sixteen years ago) link
Anyway, the only Guardian writers that don't get the ILx gasfaceare Marina Hide, Nancy Banks-Smith, and that one dude that killed that guy.
― Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 11:44 (sixteen years ago) link
i've said nice things about marina hyde!
― banriquit, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 11:44 (sixteen years ago) link
other than "would smash" i mean
― banriquit, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 11:45 (sixteen years ago) link
I usually like Marina Hyde's column in the sports section, the G2 one can be good as well. Kevin McCarra does alright as well but I suppose we're not really talking about Guardian sports here are we?
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 11:46 (sixteen years ago) link