― acrobat (elwisty), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 16:02 (seventeen years ago) link
― acrobat (elwisty), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 16:03 (seventeen years ago) link
― vita susicivus (blueski), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 16:05 (seventeen years ago) link
saying 'what am i fuckin noddy', not so much.
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― the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 16:05 (seventeen years ago) link
it is in our house (yes even today i'm afraid).
― vita susicivus (blueski), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 16:07 (seventeen years ago) link
'it's outrrrAGEOUS'
― the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 16:08 (seventeen years ago) link
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=64446617
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/daveinarave/ske.gif
this dude looks like a certain ilx poster.
― acrobat (elwisty), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 16:13 (seventeen years ago) link
*mainly just because i enjoy the accents
― vita susicivus (blueski), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 16:13 (seventeen years ago) link
― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 16:16 (seventeen years ago) link
― the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 16:19 (seventeen years ago) link
Father Ted, Fawlty Towers and Peep Show is in my book the holy trinity of Britcom.
― You've Got Scourage On Your Breath (Haberdager), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 16:21 (seventeen years ago) link
― the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 16:24 (seventeen years ago) link
― You've Got Scourage On Your Breath (Haberdager), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 16:26 (seventeen years ago) link
― vita susicivus (blueski), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 16:28 (seventeen years ago) link
― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 16:29 (seventeen years ago) link
― the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 16:31 (seventeen years ago) link
― You've Got Scourage On Your Breath (Haberdager), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 16:33 (seventeen years ago) link
― the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 16:34 (seventeen years ago) link
I haven't heard the CD, just get bit torrent and download the whole thing, it's the only way to hear it.
― You've Got Scourage On Your Breath (Haberdager), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 16:35 (seventeen years ago) link
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 16:35 (seventeen years ago) link
I've never seen much of Blue Jam. just wasn't that bothered. then i saw the Adam & Joe pisstake and felt validated.
― vita susicivus (blueski), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 16:36 (seventeen years ago) link
LOL@Adam and Joe. They weren't really piss-takes, I thought they were quite affectionate, myself. Their Jam was superb, it has to be said.
― You've Got Scourage On Your Breath (Haberdager), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 16:38 (seventeen years ago) link
the opening music is an 'triguing montage. sly and the family stone ('time') also appear in it.
― the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 16:38 (seventeen years ago) link
― the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 16:39 (seventeen years ago) link
― the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 16:41 (seventeen years ago) link
Well, indeed. The actual visuals were always best-left to the imagination, and the television version dropped all the music, which robbed BJ of its soul (if not its content).
― You've Got Scourage On Your Breath (Haberdager), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 16:42 (seventeen years ago) link
Blue Jam was fantastic, jam less so.
― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 17:06 (seventeen years ago) link
― acrobat (elwisty), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 17:09 (seventeen years ago) link
otm
but you could say similar about massive attack and their influence on dido.
― the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 17:10 (seventeen years ago) link
― chap (chap), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 17:12 (seventeen years ago) link
― acrobat (elwisty), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 17:14 (seventeen years ago) link
it's the new Saturday Night With Lee Hurst or whatever that was called.
― vita susicivus (blueski), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 17:15 (seventeen years ago) link
You are hinting towards something I myself crave. It's quite a good way of putting it, although perhaps simply 'progressive comedy' might suffice better.
Blue Jam is not comedy of embarrassment, it is comedy of helplessnes and weakness. To claim that it's had any effect on Gervais (who I regard as a charlatan, a funny man but a charlatan) is almost heresy in my eyes.
Nighty Night just didn't have the same vibe. Like Jam, it was dark, but Blue Jam really is something else entirely. Don't base your opinions on the CD, invest some time in the whole thing. Seventeen hour-long comedy concept albums, each one a work of crazed genius.
― You've Got Scourage On Your Breath (Haberdager), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 17:15 (seventeen years ago) link
how does it make helplessness/weakness actually funny? just via surrealism and the inappropriate happening?
― vita susicivus (blueski), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 17:17 (seventeen years ago) link
― You've Got Scourage On Your Breath (Haberdager), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 17:19 (seventeen years ago) link
― acrobat (elwisty), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 17:20 (seventeen years ago) link
"So Roger, I hear you've got a ten-inch cock..."
― Feargal Hixxy (DJ Mencap), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 17:21 (seventeen years ago) link
― You've Got Scourage On Your Breath (Haberdager), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 17:21 (seventeen years ago) link
― vita susicivus (blueski), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 17:22 (seventeen years ago) link
it also shows what happens when people who look at the world differently clash with those who conform (and therein lies the greater part of its subversion).
you may be right but still not seeing how these convert to roffles, other than in the latter's case the obvious juxtaposition and subsequent confounding of expectations (which isn't/doesn't have to be done dark of course).
i mean a woman crying and when asked what's wrong saying 'i can't feel my cock' IS/was funny provided it's done with the right tone but beyond that it just didn't do it for me...
― vita susicivus (blueski), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 17:25 (seventeen years ago) link
i think i'll stick with family guy.
i think a big problem is, for me anyway, often the funny comes before the thinking. i admire the satirical intent of brass eye but to be honest richard blackwood saying "i feel suggestible now" or the purves grundy "me oh myra bit" are just funny cos well i'm not sure. or mark heap swearing at a cow, it didn't make me thing about "people who look at the world differently clash with those who conform" but it made me laugh a lot.
― acrobat (elwisty), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 17:27 (seventeen years ago) link
You've chosen one of the more obtuse, wilfully 'outrageous' sketches. The majority of BJ has some grounding in logic. Not the logic of any other show, mind.
― You've Got Scourage On Your Breath (Haberdager), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 17:33 (seventeen years ago) link
I mean, the monologues were a slower, richer source of hyuks but, still, there wasn't a point at which I thought, "Oh yes! I was feeling faintly nauseated there for a while but NOW I see how he's challenging convention - ha ha ha!" It was all pretty amusin' to me.
― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 17:43 (seventeen years ago) link
― the killfire konspiracy (Haberdager), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 17:50 (seventeen years ago) link
I was talking about this 'sketch' on the TV version (as I hadn't heard it on the radio show). But funny because I do tend to prefer logic/realism in my comedy now (at least I do when it's comedy set in our real world e.g. Peep Show, Extras). But I do need to listen and watch the shows properly to really be sure of all this.
I found it as immediate in its lollacity and rofflage as yr undark tellyMorris.
I think Morris has always traded this way e.g. laughs for the puerile gags (road sign called 'Youngbottom Ride' on the BE TV special) as big if not bigger than the ones reserved for the actual 'satire'. He seems to love the puerile as much as anyone else really.
but an extra on the Jam DVD, in which genuine audience response was played over the sketch. As it turns out, most of this response was hysterical laughter. It gave one of the darkest, most disturbing sketches of recent times a feelgood, 'comedy classic' aura, as we and the audience laughed along to a couple of parents reacting to the rape and murder of their son as if it were a cracked flowerpot (the aforementioned Cann pulling off an astonishing performance). This brilliant challenge to what instant, hilarious, laugh-out-loud comedy COULD be is what makes both BJ and Jam so great IMO.
again isn't this just 'let's confound expectations in a rather obvious way whilst using brutal subject matter for added punch' or am i still missing something? i suppose years later it might not seem as impressive because of copycats, internet stuff etc. but still.
― vita susicivus (blueski), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 18:03 (seventeen years ago) link
― acrobat (elwisty), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 18:12 (seventeen years ago) link
Sorry if I'm misunderstanding you here, but by "genuine audience response" you don't actually mean a recorded response to this sketch, do you? Because it's obviously not - it's canned. I thought it was a fairly cheap gimmick, provoked (possibly) by the response of audience members to playback of BJ sketches at Battersea Arts Centre in '98 (where his brother is/was artistic director) - polite, simpering laughter which Morris apparently thought kinda depressing.
I sort of admire your zeal, Scourage, and I'm sure you're quite sincere in your enthusiasms but trumpeting the show's cultural subversions and its "brilliant challenge[s]" isn't, I don't think, going to convince the sceptics that it's funny. It's one of the hardest (and most futile) undertakings, that of selling a piece of comedy based on its perceived importance and innovation. Having said that, quoting funny lines out of context (another popular approach) doesn't work either. I suppose that's why I find your fandom a bit uncomfortable - you're championing something to people who aren't interested in terms I don't really recognise.
We can't really re-create the conditions in which you or I encountered BJ upon original broadcast for anyone else, so don't be surprised if someone goes away from this thread, downloads a couple of eps and is underwhelmed.
― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 22:33 (seventeen years ago) link
― acrobat (elwisty), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 23:19 (seventeen years ago) link