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i think all languages might do this though!

i don't think american english does it so relentlessly though.

s/c (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 19 August 2005 03:10 (nineteen years ago) link

That's just it, I think I like "meme" because it feels like the first adequate word to describe what it describes. But maybe I'm forgetting something.

Hurting (Hurting), Friday, 19 August 2005 03:12 (nineteen years ago) link

another one: "presently" doesn't mean "currently."

s/c (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 19 August 2005 03:15 (nineteen years ago) link

x-meme

This is what I'm wondering. Trend? Fad? Archetype? Cultural development? Idea?

I do concede that maybe, just maybe, this is a case of a new word engendering new thoughts. A meme meme. If you will. As it were.

M. V. (M.V.), Friday, 19 August 2005 03:18 (nineteen years ago) link

the verb "trending"

s/c (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 19 August 2005 03:20 (nineteen years ago) link

outside of juicy statistical research projects, that is.

s/c (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 19 August 2005 03:27 (nineteen years ago) link

"the heartland"
"real americans" (where "real americans" are straight white christians who don't live in major cities and who aren't very bright)

and any variations of same.

s/c (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 19 August 2005 03:38 (nineteen years ago) link

i knew there was one i was forgetting: "all-american" (wtf does this MEAN?)

s/c (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 19 August 2005 03:40 (nineteen years ago) link

Speaking of political terms:

"Values Voter" (as if people vote on anything else)

Hurting (Hurting), Friday, 19 August 2005 03:40 (nineteen years ago) link

also "Limousine Liberal" - doubly annoying because it suggests that there is some inherent contradiction in being rich and liberal, and its usage suggests that this is actually a significant demographic.

Hurting (Hurting), Friday, 19 August 2005 03:41 (nineteen years ago) link

i hate "limousine liberal" too. did the libertarians invent that one?

s/c (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 19 August 2005 03:43 (nineteen years ago) link

HOMELAND SECURIY

why? why not American Security, U.S. Security, of just plain Security.

What are the cultural ramifications of this antiquated, underused, in the contxt of this country, phrase being given new life.

Homelands are where people come from, they are not the new, shiny America. But homelands are often under siege, is this why it must be Homeland Security, so we will realize the great importance of the endeavor. If it way US Security, would we not feel so comforted, protected.

Mary (Mary), Friday, 19 August 2005 03:44 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh god, I hated the "homeland" so much when it was first introduced; that I haven't thought about in a while is even worse - it means I've gotten used to it.

Hurting (Hurting), Friday, 19 August 2005 03:48 (nineteen years ago) link

That reminds me, a few months ago, there was a news story about a fraud where a guy had gotten people to invest in a device that was supposed to be a "biological attack detector" -- in fact it was nothing but a filing cabinet with a flashing light on top.

That's exactly what the Homeland Security dept. is.

Hurting (Hurting), Friday, 19 August 2005 03:49 (nineteen years ago) link

a device that was supposed to be a "biological attack detector" -- in fact it was nothing but a filing cabinet with a flashing light on top

in other news...

http://www.whitehouse.gov/homeland/images/300-HSAS-Chart.jpg

s/c (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 19 August 2005 04:10 (nineteen years ago) link

But if you cannot communicate and people cannot communicate with you how can you possibly learn math or anything for that matter?

That's why Ebonics proponents wanted the state to provide more funding to teach these students English just like it funds ESL programs for kids who speak only Spanish.

walter kranz (walterkranz), Friday, 19 August 2005 04:12 (nineteen years ago) link

funding is funding is funding, but i'm still weirded out by the implication that if you speak "ebonics," english is your second language.

s/c (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 19 August 2005 04:21 (nineteen years ago) link

(also the implication that all black americans have the exact same speech patterns no matter what part of the country they live in or what their ethnic background is.)

s/c (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 19 August 2005 04:24 (nineteen years ago) link

"it's unaustralian"

gem (trisk), Friday, 19 August 2005 04:25 (nineteen years ago) link

I just heard that one a few minutes ago! It's only used ironically around here. It's almost used as a term of approval. 'If it's Unaustralian, it's worth doing', that's my motto.

moley (moley), Friday, 19 August 2005 04:28 (nineteen years ago) link

used ironically is completely fine. but i just read it in an article in the oz about parliament house security officers being banned from using the word 'mate' to address visitors to parly house. in that context it shits me.

gem (trisk), Friday, 19 August 2005 04:30 (nineteen years ago) link

I thought only Americans used that un-nation-like construction.

Hurting (Hurting), Friday, 19 August 2005 04:32 (nineteen years ago) link

we learned it from them

jimmy glass (electricsound), Friday, 19 August 2005 04:34 (nineteen years ago) link

As much as I hate the term "unamerican" (and should you capitalize the A in the middle of the word?), hearing the term with some other nation sounds much sillier, which I guess is a product of my American prejudices. When someone says "Unamerican" it sounds like they mean corrupt, debased, without values. But Unaustralian just makes me think of violating some quaint, peculiar national character.

Hurting (Hurting), Friday, 19 August 2005 04:38 (nineteen years ago) link

That's right. The term is particularly egregious when used by our Prime Minister.

moley (moley), Friday, 19 August 2005 04:42 (nineteen years ago) link

http://spencer.lib.ku.edu/exhibits/25th/kc50b.jpg

s/c (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 19 August 2005 04:54 (nineteen years ago) link

"unamerican" (and should you capitalize the A in the middle of the word?)

there should definitely be a hyphen in between, otherwise it looks like "unabomber." (heh heh.)

s/c (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 19 August 2005 04:57 (nineteen years ago) link

http://spencer.lib.ku.edu/exhibits/25th/kc55b.jpg

s/c (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 19 August 2005 05:05 (nineteen years ago) link

Neither of those typefaces is genuine Futura. Each is a devious impersonation.

M. V. (M.V.), Friday, 19 August 2005 05:12 (nineteen years ago) link

the british habit for diminution i think rather bespeaks a fondness for their own language that americans appear to lack totally

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 19 August 2005 05:34 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm not sure how much the folks who pushed Ebonics into the limelight were very interested in how it might apply on a national scale. I'm not sure they fully thought through the massive implications their program would have for race and culture and education as ideas. I'm not sure they all particularly made sense or had very good arguments about the whole issue. But at root, as a kind of everyday fix for their particular classrooms, the idea wasn't in the least irrational. They were asked to teach students in standard English, and a significant portion of their students didn't really speak standard English. If these students had spoken, say, Spanish, their teachers would have been given money and time to concentrate on bringing them up to speed with standard English. So ... you give the dialect they do speak a name. You classify it as something distinct from standard English -- the same way employers and college admissions officers are going to -- and you acknowledge that you need to spend time teaching them a kind of language that's not yet their own.

I mean, this is just a pet peeve of mine -- the fact that the whole thing was interpreted as some attempt to not teach kids standard English, to be "tolerant" and just say they speak a different language and that's fine. Whereas the actual root of the program was to acknowledge that they did need to be taught standard English, just as much as someone who doesn't speak any kind of English at all.

nabiscothingy, Friday, 19 August 2005 05:36 (nineteen years ago) link

And Tracer that's just not true! Americans love toying with the English language. You've spent time in the South, you should be all over that!

nabiscothingy, Friday, 19 August 2005 05:37 (nineteen years ago) link

The word "proverbial" when overused or when not referencing a proverb but an idiom or cliche. (Correct: "Let's not count our proverbial chickens just yet." Incorrect: "I'm having a proverbial bad hair day.")

I hate that, too. I usually tend to say "colloquial" instead, if it fits.

If you're a geek among geeks, you can get away with 'canonical' - generally meaning 'definitive' - in that context.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Friday, 19 August 2005 06:11 (nineteen years ago) link

In a similar vein to limousine liberal, I loathe "chattering classes" for liberals here. This implication that lefties sit back on their overpaid arses drinking coffee and making uninformed armchair criticisms of politics and morality shits me up the WALL. "Chardonnay set" is another.

Trayce (trayce), Friday, 19 August 2005 06:24 (nineteen years ago) link

"that's what I'm talking about"
the syntax of "it's a [adjective] [noun], that". sorry Ned.

oops (Oops), Friday, 19 August 2005 06:28 (nineteen years ago) link

Footie is British for soccer.

I have never heard the word 'appie' in my life. Are we sure that the original poster is English?

1. Seeing "could of" or "should of" or "would of"

Bizarrely, this brings on the rage in me like nothing else on this thread. I shouldn't be mad, because 99% of the time, it's like Draw/Drawer, it's just someone who's never seen the word/phrase in print.

Based on this thread, we are all guilty of follies and should be slain.

Yes.

When someone says "Unamerican" it sounds like they mean corrupt, debased, without values.

Socialist, with compassion for their fellow humans, lacking true faith in the free market, internationalist....

Though you're right, unaustralian is just fucking funny.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Friday, 19 August 2005 08:00 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm amazed that I've met (and worked) with people who think "thankyou" is one word! Hard to believe I know but...

In general, Americanisms perpetrated by British people are always annoying - I've heard people say "on the weekend" instead of "at the weekend" for instance.

Diddyismus (Dada), Friday, 19 August 2005 08:08 (nineteen years ago) link

for free

Menelaus Darcy (Menelaus Darcy), Friday, 19 August 2005 09:50 (nineteen years ago) link

People that go really far out of their way to avoid ending a sentence with a preposition.

theantmustdance (theantmustdance), Friday, 19 August 2005 10:45 (nineteen years ago) link

corny

jimmy glass (electricsound), Friday, 19 August 2005 11:39 (nineteen years ago) link

(3) "Impact" as a verb. IT'S A NOUN! Use "AFFECT"!!!

"Negative... It did not go in. Just affected on the surface." ?

nah....

g-kit (g-kit), Friday, 19 August 2005 11:53 (nineteen years ago) link

"Action" used as a verb. (Especially with regards to some annoying little thing I had already been doing.) "Can you please action this?"

Haha that's horrible! Maybe you should reply with something like "Sure, I'll letter you when I've computered the data so we can recruitment the people needed"?

(Scary thought: within too long that may not seem as ridiculous as it does now)

OleM (OleM), Friday, 19 August 2005 13:28 (nineteen years ago) link

"Negative... It did not go in. Just impacted on the surface." ?

nah....

Nah (times google)

Diddyismus the Blind (of Alexandria) (Dada), Friday, 19 August 2005 13:38 (nineteen years ago) link

"chillax"

mark p (Mark P), Friday, 19 August 2005 13:40 (nineteen years ago) link

I work in marketing and gleefully use many of these - thankyou for "on-boarding" Lauren, I have noted it down!

The main problem with business writing isn't neologism - it's a kind of stiff, flowless formality. People come into business, think "hmm this is serious writing, when was the last time I did serious writing, oh yes..." and so everything is written in the passive-voice style of a GCSE science project.

Meanwhile back vaguely on topic, comics PR continually uses the phrase "bring their A game", eg. Todd Retch promises to bring his A game to his run on LADY JUGS. I assume it's born out of a deep-seated worry comics creators have about being bad at sports (this is also why Chris Claremont wrote 10,000 boring softball scenes in the X-Men).

Tom (Groke), Friday, 19 August 2005 13:43 (nineteen years ago) link

chillax sounds funny!
i likes it.

how about 'twirl'? does that bother anyone? surely it's an amalgm of twist and swirl?

g-kit (g-kit), Friday, 19 August 2005 13:44 (nineteen years ago) link

twirl's a real word, dude.

Outsider Enter Port City (sexyDancer), Friday, 19 August 2005 13:48 (nineteen years ago) link

i'm not denying that. but it most probably originates from those two words. i'm just saying that perhaps combining two words to make a new one isn't quite modern fad it's made out to be.

g-kit (g-kit), Friday, 19 August 2005 13:49 (nineteen years ago) link

Re: Political rhetoric

"... EVER SINCE 9/11."

elmo (allocryptic), Friday, 19 August 2005 14:48 (nineteen years ago) link

I have never heard the word 'appie' in my life.

whew. i'm relieved that that one in particular isn't common usage.

s/c (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 19 August 2005 14:50 (nineteen years ago) link


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