He might have received a more helpful response from a qualified counsellor rather than some crappy Norwegian waitress who fucked her way towards a position of pseudo-authority.
― Dingbod Kesterson, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 11:42 (sixteen years ago) link
He was really offended by the answer which suggested that he had a selfish outlook on life and that he should think about having a child.
... with Mariella Frostrup
― Tom D., Tuesday, 1 April 2008 11:42 (sixteen years ago) link
question is why laura barton is someone "readers have heard of", rather than the other somewhat more off-base gubbins.
― banriquit, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 11:42 (sixteen years ago) link
Oh, haven't you read Offbase Gubbins' column yet? He's very talented.
― Tom D., Tuesday, 1 April 2008 11:43 (sixteen years ago) link
Anyway, the only Guardian writers that don't get the ILx gasfaceare Marina Hide, Nancy Banks-Smith, and that one dude that killed that guy.
― Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 11:44 (sixteen years ago) link
i've said nice things about marina hyde!
― banriquit, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 11:44 (sixteen years ago) link
other than "would smash" i mean
― banriquit, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 11:45 (sixteen years ago) link
I usually like Marina Hyde's column in the sports section, the G2 one can be good as well. Kevin McCarra does alright as well but I suppose we're not really talking about Guardian sports here are we?
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 11:46 (sixteen years ago) link
Marina Hyde - ex-Mirror gossip columnist who had a thing going with Piers Morgan and she hasn't got over it and she takes it out on everyone she hates, mainly her readers, on a weekly basis.
Nancy Banks-Smith is one of the best writers the Guardian has.
― Dingbod Kesterson, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 11:46 (sixteen years ago) link
*don't get, ie, the only ones that get any praise on here.
― Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 11:47 (sixteen years ago) link
Richard Williams can be a bit of a twunt on occasion. Harry Pearson's a bit up himself.
― Dingbod Kesterson, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 11:48 (sixteen years ago) link
And Barney Ronay is justification for freeing the Manson Family in and of himself.
Dom: of course they do, but all I am saying is that a man is never dismissed as a shit male writer.
Dingbod, you know you're sooooooo out of order. Just back away from your computer now.
― suzy, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 11:48 (sixteen years ago) link
...also we never hear about the career sex men have, why's that?
― suzy, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 11:50 (sixteen years ago) link
Sports is crap in the Guardian
― Tom D., Tuesday, 1 April 2008 11:50 (sixteen years ago) link
"that one dude that killed that guy" Who? Lesley Grantham?
I heart Banks Smith.
"...also we never hear about the career sex men have, why's that?" Dingbod bangs on about thsi every time J Harris is mentioned!
― Raw Patrick, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 11:52 (sixteen years ago) link
Doesn't really matter Suze, to be honest. The guy at Faber wasn't interested either but at least he told me there and then and gave specific reasons. Means I can go on and approach other people without delay. Self-reliance innit?
― Dingbod Kesterson, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 11:53 (sixteen years ago) link
-- suzy, Tuesday, April 1, 2008 11:50 AM (52 seconds ago) Bookmark Link
Incorrect, there was that deleted post in one of the Graun threads about two prominent gay male music writers and a toilet.
― Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 11:53 (sixteen years ago) link
And straight male music writers don't have sex.
"...also we never hear about the career sex men have, why's that?" Dingbod bangs on about thsi every time J Harris is mentioned! - fixed
― Tom D., Tuesday, 1 April 2008 11:53 (sixteen years ago) link
are women dismissed as bad Women writers, rather than bad writers / filler journos / whatever? not by me. maybe by someone else - maybe I've missed it.
― the pinefox, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 11:54 (sixteen years ago) link
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51RZZP0V0EL._SS500_.jpg
I've bought three of my last four girlfriends this book.
― Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 11:55 (sixteen years ago) link
Worzel UGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH EAT MY LUNCH TWICE
― Dingbod Kesterson, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 11:55 (sixteen years ago) link
four?
― the pinefox, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 11:56 (sixteen years ago) link
-- Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 11:55 (1 minute ago)
― blueski, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 11:57 (sixteen years ago) link
Pretty sure the girls I date have daddy issues too big to work as hookers.
― Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 11:58 (sixteen years ago) link
I've bought three of my last four girlfriends this book candles.
― Dingbod Kesterson, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 11:58 (sixteen years ago) link
-- Raw Patrick, Tuesday, April 1, 2008 11:52 AM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Link
Patrick Kluivert. Takes over Lucy Barton's whimsical pop dribbling column in Music and Film next month.
― Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 12:00 (sixteen years ago) link
Yes Dingbod, knowing that you can't really blame others for lack of own progress is probably a good first step, and something certain others should probably take on board themselves.
― suzy, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 12:02 (sixteen years ago) link
I hope Suzy is wrong that people criticize women writers for being women - that is wrong and bad, and I would never do it
but then again, there is something a bit distasteful and urine-scented about a thread full of males, all rushing to disagree with one woman about sexism
maybe more Suzy, in Guardian or elsewhere, would be a good thing
― the pinefox, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 12:02 (sixteen years ago) link
All ILX threads about the Guardian end up rather distasteful and urine-scented.
― Alba, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 12:04 (sixteen years ago) link
"Patrick Kluivert. Takes over Lucy Barton's whimsical pop dribbling column in Music and Film next month.
-- Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 12:00 (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Link"
I look forward to his columns about how he likes to listen to 'The Boss' and Jonathan Richman whilst running people over.
― Raw Patrick, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 12:08 (sixteen years ago) link
True, Alba. Although my perfumier's nose knows piss and vinegar when it smells it.
P/F: soon come, I'm sure, I have other work that is more important right now (and I should be doing it instead of procrastinating) and when you can write Guarn features in three hours with yr eyes shut, it's time to maybe find a challenge, eh?
― suzy, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 12:08 (sixteen years ago) link
I don't know about "lack of own progress" though.
You know, the thing's written and has been re-edited.
It's ready to go and it's doing the rounds of the publishers.
But I need someone to sell it for me because I'm clearly useless at doing so myself for reasons well you know damn well what the reasons are.
Even it were published it would mostly get slagged off by idiots.
In any case I've got far more important things to sort out at the moment so we'll just see what happens.
― Dingbod Kesterson, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 12:09 (sixteen years ago) link
Even it were published it would mostly get slagged off by idiots
http://www.ilxor.com
― Tom D., Tuesday, 1 April 2008 12:10 (sixteen years ago) link
Quite.
― Dingbod Kesterson, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 12:11 (sixteen years ago) link
raw patrick deliverin' the goods
― banriquit, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 12:15 (sixteen years ago) link
Jennifer Celeria taking over Barton's column morelike
― Dingbod Kesterson, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 12:16 (sixteen years ago) link
The few times I have received 'bad reviews' as such, these were too kneejerk in nature to take seriously and mitigated by higher praise from publications or critics that were more important in the greater scheme of things, both to me and the people commissioning me.
― suzy, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 12:18 (sixteen years ago) link
A big part of the irritation with Chung must come from the fact that she is so young and good-looking. It seems unfair.
― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 12:22 (sixteen years ago) link
My predictions:
"pretentious muddle" "blogs are not BOOKS" "where is X, Y, Z" "clever clever for its own sake" "Mr Biffen must remember that the primary duty of a work of art is to amuse"
― Dingbod Kesterson, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 12:22 (sixteen years ago) link
she is irritatingly thin
― blueski, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 12:23 (sixteen years ago) link
-- Tracer Hand, Tuesday, April 1, 2008 1:22 PM (1 second ago) Bookmark Link
pretty heavyweight reply -- changing my perspective 180 as i type this.
― banriquit, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 12:25 (sixteen years ago) link
she is posher than i figured tho. i didn't read the interview beyond 'i had a pony'.
― blueski, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 12:25 (sixteen years ago) link
BTW to my knowledge I haven't read a word of Chung nor heard anything by her, ever, but I suspect this irritation would still be there a little -- and possibly even intensified along certain axes? -- were she brilliant and thought-provoking
― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 12:25 (sixteen years ago) link
banriquit when I want you to change your opinion you'll know it!
― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 12:26 (sixteen years ago) link
I saw her at the meeting of Shoreditch High Street/Great Eastern Street but she just looked like everyone else round there so i didn't notice her till my g/f pointed her out. She was wearing a coat that I'd seen her wear on telly.
― Raw Patrick, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 12:26 (sixteen years ago) link
She's not that good looking, certainly not "stupidly beautiful"
― Tom D., Tuesday, 1 April 2008 12:27 (sixteen years ago) link
She's crap on Vanity Lair (but who wouldn't be) and neither here-nor-there everywhere else. Dunno why people are trying to make her into a 'style icon'.
― Raw Patrick, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 12:27 (sixteen years ago) link
i've got nothing against chung, being young and good-looking myself; it was just a shitty article is all, and this is a thread about the guardian being shitty.
I suspect this irritation would still be there a little -- and possibly even intensified along certain axes? -- were she brilliant and thought-provoking
well, um, no, not really: is there any evidence the haters *dislike* things-that-are-brilliant-and-thought-provoking?
― banriquit, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 12:27 (sixteen years ago) link