― aqua teen hongro force (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 17 July 2005 03:01 (eighteen years ago) link
― s1ocki (slutsky), Sunday, 17 July 2005 03:05 (eighteen years ago) link
― aqua teen hongro force (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 17 July 2005 03:09 (eighteen years ago) link
probably not.
― aqua teen hongro force (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 17 July 2005 03:10 (eighteen years ago) link
― aqua teen hongro force (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 17 July 2005 03:43 (eighteen years ago) link
― ryan_d, Sunday, 17 July 2005 03:46 (eighteen years ago) link
Will the future of commercial air travel be point-to-point on medium-sized, highly efficient airplanes (let's hope so), or hub-to-hub on massive, economy-of-scale utilizing planes (let's hope not)?
― Super Cub (Debito), Sunday, 17 July 2005 04:23 (eighteen years ago) link
The A380 is pretty efficient, as planes go, as well, however that efficiency does depend on them being fully loaded, that goes for all planes.
― Ed (dali), Sunday, 17 July 2005 06:08 (eighteen years ago) link
― Super Cub (Debito), Sunday, 17 July 2005 06:26 (eighteen years ago) link
The 787 is Boeing's all new replacement for the 757/767 series of smaller long distance planes. In response to the efficiency games, Airbus has put out a spoiler plane in the form of the A350 derivative (90% new design though) of the A330. Basically it comes from two different views of where air travel is going.
The dreamliner is a point to point airliner, ideal for smaller loading from smaller airports, it could easily be the spring board for inter-continental budget airlines, if it is as efficient as claimed.
The A350 is less radical than the dreamliner, but still a very advanced aircraft with heavy use of composites and should have comparable fuel economies with the 787 mainly through cramming in a few extra seats.
The A380 is about maximising capacity on congested routes from congested airports, Europe-East Coast, Tokyo-Osaka, although it's also been taken by Airlines such as Emirates and Singapore who are locked into hubs in tiny nation states and need to maximise number of seats on planes. You better beleive that someone is going to cram 800 seats on one of these things for the Tokyo Osaka run.
If the A380 is a success then Boeing can always revive it's 747-800 stretched version of the 747.
They'll be space for both in the market as they are going after different niches.
― Ed (dali), Sunday, 17 July 2005 06:45 (eighteen years ago) link
here's hoping. the market is definitely there for that. north america -> asia will do outstandingly well.
― jody heatherton (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 17 July 2005 06:51 (eighteen years ago) link
― Super Cub (Debito), Sunday, 17 July 2005 06:54 (eighteen years ago) link
Someone needs to be working on powering these planes on vegetable oil/ethanol blends.
― Ed (dali), Sunday, 17 July 2005 06:59 (eighteen years ago) link
lol
― ambrose (ambrose), Sunday, 17 July 2005 08:20 (eighteen years ago) link
― Super Cub (Debito), Sunday, 17 July 2005 08:35 (eighteen years ago) link
― Ed (dali), Sunday, 17 July 2005 08:40 (eighteen years ago) link
― Super Cub (Debito), Sunday, 17 July 2005 08:50 (eighteen years ago) link
― Chewshabadoo (Chewshabadoo), Sunday, 17 July 2005 09:09 (eighteen years ago) link
― Super Cub (Debito), Sunday, 17 July 2005 09:36 (eighteen years ago) link
― jody heatherton (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 17 July 2005 09:37 (eighteen years ago) link
― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Sunday, 17 July 2005 10:31 (eighteen years ago) link
why not just stay on yr continent, then you can use the best ever form of transport: train.
― ambrose (ambrose), Sunday, 17 July 2005 11:36 (eighteen years ago) link
Clearly the best advancement in international transport would be to build superfast elevators through the center of the Earth. Something like a pneumatic tube.
http://zapatopi.net/pneumatic/beachsub2.jpg
http://zapatopi.net/pneumatic/beachsub.jpg
― Super Cub (Debito), Sunday, 17 July 2005 12:05 (eighteen years ago) link
http://www.uboatarchive.net/JtOpsCtr11.jpgCraig keeps a close eyehttp://www.uboatarchive.net/JtOpsCtr6.jpgJenny updates the big chart
― Super Cub (Debito), Sunday, 17 July 2005 12:10 (eighteen years ago) link
its often said that safety occupies this top spot, but it seems to actually occupy maybe....10th place, priority-wise?
― ambrose (ambrose), Sunday, 17 July 2005 12:19 (eighteen years ago) link
― sgs (sgs), Sunday, 17 July 2005 12:53 (eighteen years ago) link
― Super Cub (Debito), Sunday, 17 July 2005 13:01 (eighteen years ago) link
― lyra (lyra), Sunday, 17 July 2005 15:11 (eighteen years ago) link
― Jimmy Mod Is Sick of Being The Best At Everything (ModJ), Sunday, 17 July 2005 15:14 (eighteen years ago) link
Pretty poorly
Have you ever seen a graphite hockey stick break?
Not really the same stuff. The design the composite to have the mechanical properties for the job.
― Ed (dali), Sunday, 17 July 2005 15:39 (eighteen years ago) link
JBR OTM re: smaller planes, especially in mid-size/small markets. 80% of my flights are on 50-seat regional jets or props, and another 15% are on DC-9s, which aren't really modern aircraft in any sense of the word. Only place I'll ever see these super-planes is across the tarmac while connecting at O'Hare.
― Jeff Wright (JeffW1858), Monday, 18 July 2005 01:49 (eighteen years ago) link
Apparently the regional carriers have much less restrictive labor contracts than the majors, so their overhead is lower. The regionals are probably closer to what the future industry will look like.
I do a lot of inter-continental flying, because I live in a foreign country. So I get to fly on 777s all the time (for 13 hours).
― Super Cub (Debito), Monday, 18 July 2005 02:47 (eighteen years ago) link
What a half-billion dollar A380 gets you: http://gizmodo.com/5279529/inside-the-485+million-airbus-a380-flying-palace
― Carroll Shelby Downard (Elvis Telecom), Friday, 5 June 2009 09:55 (fifteen years ago) link
My dad works on the 787 line and says it's the most fubar-ed project he's worked on in 30 years at Boeing. Apparently, instead of building parts in house as they usually do, they sourced out all the individual components and their getting back all these parts from seperate companies that don't fit together. The guys on the line like him have the unenviable task of trying to assemble all these non-matching parts. He blames the fact that the current upper management are all business people without aerospace experience who don't know anything about the realities of building airplanes.
― a hater (The Reverend), Friday, 5 June 2009 10:01 (fifteen years ago) link
the "jenny updates the big chart" photo upthread is ridiculously cool.
― linda emangalitsa (get bent), Friday, 5 June 2009 10:02 (fifteen years ago) link
What a A380 hard landing looks like: http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/exclusivevids/EAAAirVenture2009_AirbusA380_HardLanding_200850-1.html
― Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 4 August 2009 00:30 (fourteen years ago) link
Wow, do all airliners have that much flex in the wings when they touch down?
― I am moving on baby, I am moving on (Pancakes Hackman), Tuesday, 4 August 2009 00:34 (fourteen years ago) link
Meanwhile, the 787 (now delayed for the fifth time) is possibly just a mediocre aircraft
― Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 4 August 2009 00:39 (fourteen years ago) link
And ANOTHER delay on the 787
Boeing has discovered microscopic wrinkles in the skin of the 787's fuselage and has ordered Italian supplier Alenia Aeronautica to halt production of fuselage sections at a factory in Italy. 'In two areas on the fuselage, the structure doesn't have the long-term strength that we want,' says Boeing spokeswoman Lori Gunter. To repair the wrinkles, additional layers of carbon composite material are being added to a 787 at the South Carolina factory and twenty-two other planes must also be patched. Production of the 787 has been fraught with problems with ill-fitting parts, casting doubt on Boeing's strategy of relying on overseas suppliers to build big sections of the aircraft before assembling them at its facilities near Seattle. The 787, built for fuel efficiency from lightweight carbon composite parts, is a priority for Boeing as it struggles with dwindling orders amid the global recession. Customers had been expecting the first of the new jets in the first quarter of 2010 — nearly two years earlier than they will be delivered. The delays have cost Boeing credibility and billions of dollars in anticipated expenses and penalties. Orders for 72 planes have been canceled already this year, although Boeing still has confirmed orders for over 800 aircraft."
― Elvis Telecom, Monday, 17 August 2009 07:10 (fourteen years ago) link
And perhaps inevitably, Hitler gets news that his order of 787's is going to be delayed again.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BF_P77VEPKA
― Elvis Telecom, Monday, 17 August 2009 07:14 (fourteen years ago) link
― Super Cub, Monday, 17 August 2009 09:13 (fourteen years ago) link
And FINALLY.
Boeing's 787 Dreamliner has taken off on its first test flight - almost two and a half years late.It had been grounded by a series of hitches, including design problems, strikes and even a shortage of bolts.Boeing has pegged its hopes for the future on the plane, which promises to be one of the most fuel-efficient in the world.It has attracted some 840 orders from all over the globe, although some have been cancelled because of the delays.Its popularity is partly thanks to its lightweight design. Made of carbon and titanium, it should reduce fuel consumption as well as save on maintenance costs.The first test flight is due to last around four hours, as the two pilots examine how the Dreamliner operates."They will essentially make sure that the airplane under normal circumstances flies the way it is supposed to," said Boeing spokesman Jim Proulx.
― Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 15 December 2009 20:09 (fourteen years ago) link
those wings look so delicate
― voices from the manstep (brownie), Tuesday, 15 December 2009 20:15 (fourteen years ago) link
I love the way they swoop up but its going to be weird sitting in the middle of that thing because the window view will be all wing.
― American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Tuesday, 15 December 2009 22:53 (fourteen years ago) link
I'm going to be pretty paranoid if I ever fly in one of these things
― 囧 (dyao), Wednesday, 16 December 2009 02:02 (fourteen years ago) link
Angus Batey on the 787
― Stockhausen's Helicopter Quartet (Elvis Telecom), Friday, 1 October 2010 01:06 (thirteen years ago) link
Anatomy of the Airbus A380 QF32 near disaster
key paragraph:
One thing needs to be kept firmly in mind. Rolls-Royce the maker of the Trent 900 engine which disintegrated knew about the faults that the current airworthiness directive concerning these engines says are likely to have caused an intense oil fire in a structural cavity in the intermediate pressure turbine area of the engine.Rolls-Royce had designed and was introducing a fix for the oil leak issues for this into the engines at its own speed. Qantas was left in the dark. It is fair to suggest that Qantas needs to review relationships with engine manufacturers in which it pays for power by-the-hour and leaves much of the maintenance and oversight of those engines to the designer and manufacturer.
Rolls-Royce had designed and was introducing a fix for the oil leak issues for this into the engines at its own speed. Qantas was left in the dark. It is fair to suggest that Qantas needs to review relationships with engine manufacturers in which it pays for power by-the-hour and leaves much of the maintenance and oversight of those engines to the designer and manufacturer.
― Stockhausen's Helicopter Quartet (Elvis Telecom), Wednesday, 17 November 2010 21:17 (thirteen years ago) link
Stuff like this reminds me why I'm increasingly antsy about flying...
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 17 November 2010 21:19 (thirteen years ago) link
not being taken for sexytime in the TSA VIP suite then?
― American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Wednesday, 17 November 2010 22:11 (thirteen years ago) link
https://www.corporatecrimereporter.com/news/200/john-barnett-on-why-he-wont-fly-on-a-boeing-787-dreamliner/
What is your own personal practice on flying Boeing aircraft now?“When I worked on the 747, the 767, the 777 in Everett, those are beautiful planes. And the people there fully understood what it took to build a safe and airworthy aircraft. I hate to throw the entire label over the whole product line. But as far as the 787, I would change flights before I would fly a 787. I’ve told my family — please don’t fly a 787. Fly something else. Try to get a different ticket. I want the people to know what they are riding on.”
“When I worked on the 747, the 767, the 777 in Everett, those are beautiful planes. And the people there fully understood what it took to build a safe and airworthy aircraft. I hate to throw the entire label over the whole product line. But as far as the 787, I would change flights before I would fly a 787. I’ve told my family — please don’t fly a 787. Fly something else. Try to get a different ticket. I want the people to know what they are riding on.”
― Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 3 December 2019 20:30 (four years ago) link
http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a30470973/boeing-737-max-employees-emails/I don’t want to read this. I’m just posting it here
― El Tomboto, Friday, 10 January 2020 22:01 (four years ago) link
"This airplane is designed by clowns, who in turn are supervised by monkeys.”
― The Squalls Of Hate (sleeve), Friday, 10 January 2020 22:04 (four years ago) link
But the the House Transportation and Infrastructure Committee provided excerpts of those messages to Bloomberg News that un-redacted the Indonesian carrier’s name.“Now friggin Lion Air might need a sim to fly the MAX, and maybe because of their own stupidity. I’m scrambling trying to figure out how to unscrew this now! idiots,” one Boeing employee wrote in June 2017 text messages obtained by the company and released by the House committee.In response, a Boeing colleague replied: “WHAT THE F%$&!!!! But their sister airline is already flying it!” That was an apparent reference to Malindo Air, the Malaysian-based carrier that was the first to fly the Max commercially.
“Now friggin Lion Air might need a sim to fly the MAX, and maybe because of their own stupidity. I’m scrambling trying to figure out how to unscrew this now! idiots,” one Boeing employee wrote in June 2017 text messages obtained by the company and released by the House committee.
In response, a Boeing colleague replied: “WHAT THE F%$&!!!! But their sister airline is already flying it!” That was an apparent reference to Malindo Air, the Malaysian-based carrier that was the first to fly the Max commercially.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-01-14/lion-air-idiots-sought-more-max-training-boeing-thwarted-it
― Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 15 January 2020 22:43 (four years ago) link
is there anyway to check (in advance of booking) which type of aircraft will be used on your flight? would not fancy going on one of these for say, oooooh, about 10 years?
https://www.theverge.com/2020/12/9/22165956/boeing-737-max-flight-brazil-gol-airlines
― sir kieth scamper QC (||||||||), Wednesday, 9 December 2020 21:59 (three years ago) link
Gol Airlines told the publication it plans to use the 737 Max in regular service starting later this month, and passengers who don’t want to fly on the plane will be able to exchange their tickets.
all airlines need to do this imo
― sir kieth scamper QC (||||||||), Wednesday, 9 December 2020 22:00 (three years ago) link
You can go to FlightAware.com and enter your flight # which will give you a lot of data about that flight; below the flight map you'll see a log of scheduled flights and what aircraft will be used, plus a record of what aircraft were used in previous flights.
Some airlines' websites, e.g. JetBlue's, tell you the aircraft used for each flight when you go there to do your booking. I wouldn't say they're accurate 100% of the time but I think they generally are.
― Josefa, Wednesday, 9 December 2020 22:31 (three years ago) link
Another 737 gone missing after taking off from jakarta
― nob lacks, noirish (darraghmac), Saturday, 9 January 2021 11:41 (three years ago) link
https://www.seattletimes.com/business/boeing-aerospace/boeing-not-spirit-mis-installed-piece-that-blew-off-alaska-max-9-jet/
The fuselage panel that blew off an Alaska Airlines jet earlier this month was removed for repair then reinstalled improperly by Boeing mechanics on the Renton final assembly line, a person familiar with the details of the work told The Seattle Times.If verified by the National Transportation Safety Board investigation, this would leave Boeing primarily at fault for the accident, rather than its supplier Spirit AeroSystems, which originally installed the panel into the 737 MAX 9 fuselage in Wichita, Kan.That panel, a door plug used to seal a hole in the fuselage sometimes used to accommodate an emergency exit, blew out of Alaska Airlines Flight 1282 as it climbed out of Portland on Jan. 5. The hair-raising incident drew fresh and sharp criticism of Boeing’s quality control systems and safety culture, which has been under the microscope since two fatal 737 MAX crashes five years ago.Last week, a different person — an anonymous whistleblower who appears to have access to Boeing’s manufacturing records of the work done assembling the specific Alaska Airlines jet that suffered the blowout — on an aviation website separately provided many additional details about how the door plug came to be removed and then mis-installed.
If verified by the National Transportation Safety Board investigation, this would leave Boeing primarily at fault for the accident, rather than its supplier Spirit AeroSystems, which originally installed the panel into the 737 MAX 9 fuselage in Wichita, Kan.
That panel, a door plug used to seal a hole in the fuselage sometimes used to accommodate an emergency exit, blew out of Alaska Airlines Flight 1282 as it climbed out of Portland on Jan. 5. The hair-raising incident drew fresh and sharp criticism of Boeing’s quality control systems and safety culture, which has been under the microscope since two fatal 737 MAX crashes five years ago.
Last week, a different person — an anonymous whistleblower who appears to have access to Boeing’s manufacturing records of the work done assembling the specific Alaska Airlines jet that suffered the blowout — on an aviation website separately provided many additional details about how the door plug came to be removed and then mis-installed.
― Elvis Telecom, Friday, 26 January 2024 00:32 (four months ago) link
KAYAK Lets Users Filter Out Boeing 737 Max 9 Flights After Door Blows Off Plane
― Elvis Telecom, Friday, 26 January 2024 00:33 (four months ago) link
oof
― dead precedents (sleeve), Friday, 26 January 2024 00:48 (four months ago) link
Nationalize Boeing
― B. Amato (Boring, Maryland), Friday, 26 January 2024 01:15 (four months ago) link
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/jan/24/delta-air-lines-plane-nose-wheel-falls-off
― organ doner (ledge), Friday, 26 January 2024 08:34 (four months ago) link
More concerns as Alaska Airlines flight arrives at PDX gate with open cargo doorhttps://www.koin.com/news/alaska-airlines-safety-concerns-cargo-door-pictures-portland/
― Elvis Telecom, Saturday, 9 March 2024 05:05 (three months ago) link
o_0
Boeing whistleblower found dead in US
It said the 62-year-old had died from a "self-inflicted" wound on 9 March and police were investigating.
― mookieproof, Monday, 11 March 2024 22:20 (three months ago) link
DamnAlso this today https://www.forbes.com/sites/siladityaray/2024/03/11/at-least-50-injured-on-latam-airlines-boeing-787-after-technical-problem-causes-sudden-drop-in-altitude/
― calstars, Monday, 11 March 2024 22:50 (three months ago) link
Jon Oliver did a good piece on them last week, the gist of it is their only priority right now is shareholder value
― frogbs, Tuesday, 12 March 2024 00:07 (three months ago) link
I know nothing about financing, stocks, etc. But it seems to me that if I owned a business that I really cared about, I would never take it public.
― Hideous Lump, Tuesday, 12 March 2024 11:50 (three months ago) link
Really good article that sums up Barnett's (the now dead whistleblower) complaints.
https://prospect.org/infrastructure/transportation/2024-03-28-suicide-mission-boeing/
― just like Christopher Wray said (brownie), Friday, 29 March 2024 14:01 (two months ago) link
Hm another whistleblower has died.
https://www.seattletimes.com/business/whistleblower-josh-dean-of-boeing-supplier-spirit-aerosystems-has-died/
― just like Christopher Wray said (brownie), Thursday, 2 May 2024 12:06 (one month ago) link
o_O
those Prospect articles about Barnett are wild
― rob, Thursday, 2 May 2024 13:58 (one month ago) link
I was going to say something about irony impairment by naming your rejected/not-rejected parts bin MRSA, but fuck this companyhttps://prospect.org/infrastructure/transportation/2024-04-30-whistleblower-laws-protect-lawbreakers/
Sections 47 and 48 of a 787 Boeing Dreamliner fuselage consist of the back four rows of the plane’s passenger seating, bathrooms, meal prep area, flight attendant seating, and rear exit doors. “Not the kind of thing you could sneak out on the back of a pickup truck,” says Rob Turkewitz, an attorney who represents the estate of John Barnett, the whistleblower who was found dead last month the morning he’d been scheduled to finish a deposition in his whistleblower lawsuit against the company. And yet around 2015, someone caused a massive hunk of this fuselage to vanish from the Material Review Segregation Area (MRSA) of the Charleston, South Carolina, 787 assembly plant, without leaving any kind of paper trail. As near as Turkewitz and his former client have been able to figure, no one ever determined what became of the thing.
― Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 2 May 2024 22:48 (one month ago) link
what in the fuck
― I painted my teeth (sleeve), Friday, 3 May 2024 00:27 (one month ago) link
so what, hypothetically, could you do with that if you had ill intent?
I think the point here was that 'losing track' of something like that and not even reporting it is a graphic illustration of how absurdly far Boeing was from compliance with federal regulatory requirements. Whether it was purposeful or accidental wouldn't even matter.
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Friday, 3 May 2024 00:43 (one month ago) link
gotcha, jeez
― I painted my teeth (sleeve), Friday, 3 May 2024 01:12 (one month ago) link
crazy stuff
― I painted my teeth (sleeve), Friday, 3 May 2024 01:13 (one month ago) link
last company i worked for did tons of business for Boeing - we supplied them with antennas among other things. our company, and i wouldn't be surprised if it was the same with other suppliers, were more and more following the Boeing mentality. we had a locked room that had all the "scrap material" that couldn't be taken to the material shredder until everything was signed off on by quality assurance, the appropriate upper management, the customer, etc. so the fact Boeing had something like that disappear is absolutely wild.
― Western® with Bacon Flavor, Friday, 3 May 2024 01:41 (one month ago) link
straight up, the FAA doesn't fuck around, so at least i made sure everything i was doing was always by procedure.
for example, products we supplied airlines had to be assembled, painted, tested, etc. at certain approved temperatures and humidity. one year, the facility manager decided that to save some money they were going to hold off on repairing the AC system. flash forward to May/June and the AC hasn't been fixed and a heat wave is going through the area. the production area was hitting 95+ F and terrible humidity. it took program managers to get them to let them know we were violating government regulations to finally get them to fix the AC. but that's the kinda snakey shit i started seeing upper upper management were doing to save a buck/get their next promotion.
― Western® with Bacon Flavor, Friday, 3 May 2024 01:49 (one month ago) link
yep, and I bet that was x10 at Boeing
― I painted my teeth (sleeve), Friday, 3 May 2024 01:51 (one month ago) link