"...also we never hear about the career sex men have, why's that?" Dingbod bangs on about thsi every time J Harris is mentioned! - fixed
― Tom D., Tuesday, 1 April 2008 11:53 (sixteen years ago) link
are women dismissed as bad Women writers, rather than bad writers / filler journos / whatever? not by me. maybe by someone else - maybe I've missed it.
― the pinefox, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 11:54 (sixteen years ago) link
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51RZZP0V0EL._SS500_.jpg
I've bought three of my last four girlfriends this book.
― Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 11:55 (sixteen years ago) link
Worzel UGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH EAT MY LUNCH TWICE
― Dingbod Kesterson, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 11:55 (sixteen years ago) link
four?
― the pinefox, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 11:56 (sixteen years ago) link
-- Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 11:55 (1 minute ago)
― blueski, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 11:57 (sixteen years ago) link
Pretty sure the girls I date have daddy issues too big to work as hookers.
― Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 11:58 (sixteen years ago) link
I've bought three of my last four girlfriends this book candles.
― Dingbod Kesterson, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 11:58 (sixteen years ago) link
"that one dude that killed that guy" Who? Lesley Grantham?
-- Raw Patrick, Tuesday, April 1, 2008 11:52 AM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Link
Patrick Kluivert. Takes over Lucy Barton's whimsical pop dribbling column in Music and Film next month.
― Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 12:00 (sixteen years ago) link
Yes Dingbod, knowing that you can't really blame others for lack of own progress is probably a good first step, and something certain others should probably take on board themselves.
― suzy, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 12:02 (sixteen years ago) link
I hope Suzy is wrong that people criticize women writers for being women - that is wrong and bad, and I would never do it
but then again, there is something a bit distasteful and urine-scented about a thread full of males, all rushing to disagree with one woman about sexism
maybe more Suzy, in Guardian or elsewhere, would be a good thing
― the pinefox, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 12:02 (sixteen years ago) link
All ILX threads about the Guardian end up rather distasteful and urine-scented.
― Alba, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 12:04 (sixteen years ago) link
"Patrick Kluivert. Takes over Lucy Barton's whimsical pop dribbling column in Music and Film next month.
-- Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 12:00 (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Link"
I look forward to his columns about how he likes to listen to 'The Boss' and Jonathan Richman whilst running people over.
― Raw Patrick, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 12:08 (sixteen years ago) link
True, Alba. Although my perfumier's nose knows piss and vinegar when it smells it.
P/F: soon come, I'm sure, I have other work that is more important right now (and I should be doing it instead of procrastinating) and when you can write Guarn features in three hours with yr eyes shut, it's time to maybe find a challenge, eh?
― suzy, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 12:08 (sixteen years ago) link
I don't know about "lack of own progress" though.
You know, the thing's written and has been re-edited.
It's ready to go and it's doing the rounds of the publishers.
But I need someone to sell it for me because I'm clearly useless at doing so myself for reasons well you know damn well what the reasons are.
Even it were published it would mostly get slagged off by idiots.
In any case I've got far more important things to sort out at the moment so we'll just see what happens.
― Dingbod Kesterson, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 12:09 (sixteen years ago) link
Even it were published it would mostly get slagged off by idiots
http://www.ilxor.com
― Tom D., Tuesday, 1 April 2008 12:10 (sixteen years ago) link
Quite.
― Dingbod Kesterson, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 12:11 (sixteen years ago) link
raw patrick deliverin' the goods
― banriquit, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 12:15 (sixteen years ago) link
Jennifer Celeria taking over Barton's column morelike
― Dingbod Kesterson, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 12:16 (sixteen years ago) link
The few times I have received 'bad reviews' as such, these were too kneejerk in nature to take seriously and mitigated by higher praise from publications or critics that were more important in the greater scheme of things, both to me and the people commissioning me.
― suzy, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 12:18 (sixteen years ago) link
A big part of the irritation with Chung must come from the fact that she is so young and good-looking. It seems unfair.
― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 12:22 (sixteen years ago) link
My predictions:
"pretentious muddle" "blogs are not BOOKS" "where is X, Y, Z" "clever clever for its own sake" "Mr Biffen must remember that the primary duty of a work of art is to amuse"
― Dingbod Kesterson, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 12:22 (sixteen years ago) link
she is irritatingly thin
― blueski, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 12:23 (sixteen years ago) link
-- Tracer Hand, Tuesday, April 1, 2008 1:22 PM (1 second ago) Bookmark Link
pretty heavyweight reply -- changing my perspective 180 as i type this.
― banriquit, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 12:25 (sixteen years ago) link
she is posher than i figured tho. i didn't read the interview beyond 'i had a pony'.
― blueski, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 12:25 (sixteen years ago) link
BTW to my knowledge I haven't read a word of Chung nor heard anything by her, ever, but I suspect this irritation would still be there a little -- and possibly even intensified along certain axes? -- were she brilliant and thought-provoking
― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 12:25 (sixteen years ago) link
banriquit when I want you to change your opinion you'll know it!
― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 12:26 (sixteen years ago) link
I saw her at the meeting of Shoreditch High Street/Great Eastern Street but she just looked like everyone else round there so i didn't notice her till my g/f pointed her out. She was wearing a coat that I'd seen her wear on telly.
― Raw Patrick, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 12:26 (sixteen years ago) link
She's not that good looking, certainly not "stupidly beautiful"
― Tom D., Tuesday, 1 April 2008 12:27 (sixteen years ago) link
She's crap on Vanity Lair (but who wouldn't be) and neither here-nor-there everywhere else. Dunno why people are trying to make her into a 'style icon'.
― Raw Patrick, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 12:27 (sixteen years ago) link
i've got nothing against chung, being young and good-looking myself; it was just a shitty article is all, and this is a thread about the guardian being shitty.
I suspect this irritation would still be there a little -- and possibly even intensified along certain axes? -- were she brilliant and thought-provoking
well, um, no, not really: is there any evidence the haters *dislike* things-that-are-brilliant-and-thought-provoking?
― banriquit, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 12:27 (sixteen years ago) link
she was pretending not to be posh in the interview, in a way, and failing.
Banriquit and Hand's friendly duel there is droll!
Hand's right: it does seem unfair, in a way, that someone can be so attractive, etc. And he's right, too, that if she was talented it could in fact be more irritating.
― the pinefox, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 12:29 (sixteen years ago) link
I've got nothing against Alexa Chung either, it's the crappy article I dislike
― Tom D., Tuesday, 1 April 2008 12:29 (sixteen years ago) link
She's better than those Shoreditch-post-new-rave types, a skinny boy and a chubby girl that Channel Four are currently trying to push though. They seem like the thickest people evah.
― Raw Patrick, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 12:29 (sixteen years ago) link
It is sort of amazing that she actually had a pony.
"Deddy, deddy, I wunt a ponee" "OK!"
That's how I imagine she sounds. I think I'm taking the voice from a little girl in a car insurance advertisement I saw in England ca. 1994.
― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 12:30 (sixteen years ago) link
"it does seem unfair, in a way, that someone can be so attractive, etc."
Loads of girls look as good as her. I see them all the time!
― Raw Patrick, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 12:30 (sixteen years ago) link
I like things that are brilliant and thoughtprovoking, as long as I created them
when they're from other people whom I don't know and whose looks, youth, audience etc exclude me, maybe not.
but some people probably think Chung is tres talented and super bright
it's true, if Chung was just a TV presenter, OK; the article made her out to be much more somehow
― the pinefox, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 12:31 (sixteen years ago) link
I think she's a phenomenon.
― Alba, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 12:32 (sixteen years ago) link
I thought it was funny that her stylist came from, of all places, Elle Girl.
― suzy, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 12:33 (sixteen years ago) link
I'm not irritated by her, I want to have sex with her, that's much nicer,
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 12:33 (sixteen years ago) link
I had never heard of Alexa Chung before the piece was linked to upthread, and still have no idea who she is, beyond "TV presenter".
― Pashmina, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 12:33 (sixteen years ago) link
She isn't anything beyond TV presenter! That's it.
― Raw Patrick, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 12:34 (sixteen years ago) link
Mere TV presenters have, as far as I can tell, been interviewed in broadsheet newspapers and broadsheet newspaper supplements, sometimes at length, for rather a long time.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 12:41 (sixteen years ago) link
a skinny boy
^^^is this the camp guy with the haystack haircut? Dude needs to get the fuck off the planet.
― Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 12:44 (sixteen years ago) link
matt DC OTM.
the only thing that annoys me about her is that she is boning the dude from arctic monkeys and not the dude from red bull dozers.
― ken c, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 12:57 (sixteen years ago) link
Saw him in the street. Fear he may live near me.
― Tom D., Tuesday, 1 April 2008 13:03 (sixteen years ago) link
"a skinny boy
^^^is this the camp guy with the haystack haircut? Dude needs to get the fuck off the planet."
Yeah. The two of 'em are afraid to show any enthusiasm for anything in case it turns out to be not cool 5 mins later, but can't sneer properly either, so end up in a weird zone between the two. It's hard to watch.
― Raw Patrick, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 13:03 (sixteen years ago) link
I think DC and Ken C should get a (bath)room.
― the pinefox, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 13:04 (sixteen years ago) link
Laverne > Oliver > Chung > aforementioned 'chubby girl' whose name i dunno
― blueski, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 13:11 (sixteen years ago) link
Nah, Oliver is better than the over-rated Laverne.
― Raw Patrick, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 13:14 (sixteen years ago) link