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maybe this has something to do with it??

http://seagate.custkb.com/seagate/crm/selfservice/search.jsp?DocId=213059&NewLang=en

shirley summistake (s1ocki), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 03:42 (thirteen years ago) link

i am getting nowhere

shirley summistake (s1ocki), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 03:55 (thirteen years ago) link

Is the drive making any weird-arse noises?

I went 62 days without WD and then fell back to MB (Autumn Almanac), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 03:59 (thirteen years ago) link

caek otm, buy another usb enclosure just to check if its the drive or the case

steendriver DUMB BIG, his HOOS got HOOS (dayo), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 04:01 (thirteen years ago) link

no it's not making any noises, it's very quiet

shirley summistake (s1ocki), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 04:01 (thirteen years ago) link

too quiet!!!

shirley summistake (s1ocki), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 04:01 (thirteen years ago) link

No clicking? No?

Swap enclosure otm btw. If the drive is that quiet it's probably not connected to anything.

I went 62 days without WD and then fell back to MB (Autumn Almanac), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 04:18 (thirteen years ago) link

it must feel... so... alone

shirley summistake (s1ocki), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 04:18 (thirteen years ago) link

btw I just bought a 2Tb drive for backups as a result of this thread.

I went 62 days without WD and then fell back to MB (Autumn Almanac), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 04:19 (thirteen years ago) link

ha.

thankfully, my important stuff is largely backed up via a time machine/dropbox double-whammers.

shirley summistake (s1ocki), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 04:23 (thirteen years ago) link

what is considered the most reliable HD brand these days?

shirley summistake (s1ocki), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 04:25 (thirteen years ago) link

I like eastern digital

steendriver DUMB BIG, his HOOS got HOOS (dayo), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 04:30 (thirteen years ago) link

i mean western eastern is prob some cheap Chinese knokoff

steendriver DUMB BIG, his HOOS got HOOS (dayo), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 04:30 (thirteen years ago) link

hahah

i like oceangate and faxtor

shirley summistake (s1ocki), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 04:32 (thirteen years ago) link

In the past year I have bought two Seagates, five WDs and three Samsungs. The reason I bought three Samsungs is that every single one of them died prematurely because they are made by the cack-handed goons at Samsung.

I went 62 days without WD and then fell back to MB (Autumn Almanac), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 04:32 (thirteen years ago) link

here's the thing

the drive lights up when i plug it into the computer, but it makes no sound

shirley summistake (s1ocki), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 04:33 (thirteen years ago) link

that may be bad news but try it in an enclosure or another machine first

caek, Tuesday, 7 December 2010 11:10 (thirteen years ago) link

it got no love from the ps3... i guess i'll invest in an enclosure. i'll need a new HD anyway so i guess i'll get another internal too so it wont be a total waste of cashish if it doesnt work.

shirley summistake (s1ocki), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 14:44 (thirteen years ago) link

good plansh

caek, Tuesday, 7 December 2010 14:46 (thirteen years ago) link

yeah if you just need massive storage that need not be particularly portable, an enclosure and a bunch of 3.5" OEM internal drives is a very good way to go.

caek, Tuesday, 7 December 2010 14:48 (thirteen years ago) link

what do we think of the caviar green line?

should i get a mega-enclosure?

fuck usb2.0 i'm going fw800 this time.

shirley summistake (s1ocki), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 14:54 (thirteen years ago) link

should i get this?

http://ncix.com/products/?sku=54483&vpn=EZQE61302&manufacture=Ezquest

stick 2 1tb drives in it?

will 2tb drives work do you think?

and then do i use it for... time machine? or superduper backup? or just to store my photos/videos off my laptop?

i cant wait till someone figures out a way for me not to have to think about this stuff all the time

shirley summistake (s1ocki), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 14:58 (thirteen years ago) link

if you're looking to spend "mad bank" then a NAS enclosure with 4 drives and RAID is "mad upgradable" and good from a data security POV. that's going to be ~1000 units of currency.

what is a mega-enclosure?

fw800 ftw.

xp

caek, Tuesday, 7 December 2010 14:59 (thirteen years ago) link

by mega i mean a RAID

shirley summistake (s1ocki), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 15:00 (thirteen years ago) link

not an expert on this stuff, but that seems kind of expensive for what it is.

caek, Tuesday, 7 December 2010 15:00 (thirteen years ago) link

do you understand what different RAID levels mean?

caek, Tuesday, 7 December 2010 15:01 (thirteen years ago) link

i have to go and watch that shitty sofia coppolsh movie now, some other nerd will cover for me, i trust

caek, Tuesday, 7 December 2010 15:02 (thirteen years ago) link

i do not

shirley summistake (s1ocki), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 15:02 (thirteen years ago) link

s1ocki if you're gonna go that way i will strongly rep for synology products, specifically this -

http://www.synology.com/enu/products/DS211j/index.php

which is wayyy more than just an enclosure - it'll let you log in remotely, FTP, serve web pages, DL torrents, etc

progressive cuts (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 15:03 (thirteen years ago) link

it's a way of life

shirley summistake (s1ocki), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 15:04 (thirteen years ago) link

if you set it up in RAID 1 you'll get data redundancy (everything is mirrored, so if one drive fails you can restore from the other one).. of course, caek would have you then back this up weekly to another external drive which you store at your mother's house or in an underground lead-lined bunker

progressive cuts (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 15:05 (thirteen years ago) link

i use mine to store all my music and to take my time machine backups (you can use it as a time machine target)

progressive cuts (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 15:06 (thirteen years ago) link

here's my issue.

i want a good backup of my laptop HD for obv reasons

but i also deal wiht a lot of big media files - HD video, RAW photo etc, which i have redundantly scattered around various drives

so i need at least one backup hd for my laptop (i have one, running time machine)
as well as at least one external for media files
as well as ANOTHER to back up the media drive

so many hard drives
it's fucking annoying

shirley summistake (s1ocki), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 15:08 (thirteen years ago) link

well, caek would have me drawn and quartered for saying so, but i accomplish all that with a two-bay NAS

- create a backup volume on it (for time machine)
- create another volume called "music", another called "video", another called "photos", etc
- and... i don't back it up. i probably should. but since it's RAID 1, if one drive fails it's no biggie. get another drive of the same size, pop it in, and you're back to full redundancy in an hour or two

progressive cuts (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 15:55 (thirteen years ago) link

you can mount the volumes via AFP, SMB or NFS

progressive cuts (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 15:56 (thirteen years ago) link

i guess a two-bay nas with 2 2TB drives in it?

i don't think a mirrored 1TB drive would be enough for my data-hungry needs

shirley summistake (s1ocki), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 15:58 (thirteen years ago) link

Storage is so cheap atm. The 2Tb I bought yesterday cost $145, which is $145 in CA$ and $145 in US$.

unintentional boob pic (Autumn Almanac), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 22:57 (thirteen years ago) link

*hangs, draws and quarters tracer*

caek, Wednesday, 8 December 2010 00:42 (thirteen years ago) link

> $145 in CA$ and $145 in US$

and probably £145

koogs, Wednesday, 8 December 2010 09:24 (thirteen years ago) link

£145 would get you a 1.2Mb floppy these days.

unintentional boob pic (Autumn Almanac), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 09:43 (thirteen years ago) link

Raid isn't a backup: what if some installer goes mental and deletes the Pictures folder? An iTunes installer wiped out music folders stored on external volumes, once.

stet, Wednesday, 8 December 2010 10:04 (thirteen years ago) link

Eek. Don't put your iTunes Music folder on your external drive, is what I'd say. I mean YMMV obv but I feel pretty safe since there's no apps or system files at all on there.

progressive cuts (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 10:28 (thirteen years ago) link

I do Time Machine backups on the Mac, sod-all on the Ubuntu (nothing important lives there anymore) and wholesale drag & drop all my video media across to a dedicated ext hdd.

unintentional boob pic (Autumn Almanac), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 10:31 (thirteen years ago) link

But stet you're right - RAID 1 is protection against physical drive failure (i.e. what happened to s1ocks) but not anything else.

What if an installer went mental on your NAS and you didn't notice for a month? In that case you'd really need Time Machine, or something like it. But can you even make Time Machine happen between two external drives?

progressive cuts (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 10:41 (thirteen years ago) link

I'm pretty sure you can, because I'm pretty sure mine keeps trying to do it. If your ext hdd is big enough Time Machine tries to annexe it, but you can whack a hidden file in the root telling Time Machine to bugger off.

unintentional boob pic (Autumn Almanac), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 10:45 (thirteen years ago) link

Yes but if the drive you want to back up isn't connected physically, but lives on the network..

progressive cuts (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 10:46 (thirteen years ago) link

Oh, I dunno then.

unintentional boob pic (Autumn Almanac), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 10:47 (thirteen years ago) link

> sod-all on the Ubuntu

i'm using Dirvish for backup. it's slightly friendlier than raw rsync or rsnapshot without being the gui-fest that is TimeVault.

koogs, Wednesday, 8 December 2010 14:46 (thirteen years ago) link

Oooh ta, I'll have a crack. Got sick of trying to find a package that worked.

unintentional boob pic (Autumn Almanac), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 20:53 (thirteen years ago) link

package = GUI package

unintentional boob pic (Autumn Almanac), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 20:53 (thirteen years ago) link


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