Is this anti-semitism?

I swear that the Synagogue in Hull which was in a fairly rough part of the city that I used to live in had a security guard outside when there were meetings. This was in the early 90s in what was an unusually white city for the UK at the time. Never knew why the guy was there tho.

Actually there were probably NF-type fuckwits around capable of violence.

I don't think I could ever feel comfortable living in the UK because of historical anti-Semitism

yeah little hugh of lincoln was a while back

there probably is more of a mild antisemitism at all levels of society than in america, but off-colour remarks about israel is a separate issue to threats of violence, which are almost certain to be from either jihadists or nazis, both rather peripheral groups in england because of our historical antinaziism and antijihadism

holding up france as an example is not really going to clinch you much in an argument about anti-semitism!

example cuz those are the two other western countries with big jewish populations, tho yes things are worse in paris than new york

off-colour remarks about israel is a separate issue to threats of violence, which are almost certain to be from either jihadists or nazis

i wouldn't say so, and i don't think all the anti-semitic graffiti during the gaza war was from jihadis, exactly

I almost never encounter British people who dislike Jews. Do these British anti-Semites never leave the UK except in published form?

I think the US has tons of passive anti-Semitism, not like hate but a lack of familiarity with or appreciation for Jews.

idk, on that logic i wouldn't want to be black in america

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― man dem coalition (history mayne), Thursday, December 9, 2010 12:47 PM Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

me neither!

― Mordy, Thursday, December 9, 2010 12:48 PM Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

charming

i wouldn't say so, and i don't think all the anti-semitic graffiti during the gaza war was from jihadis, exactly

― man dem coalition (history mayne), Thursday, 9 December 2010 17:55 (3 seconds ago)

that falls somewhere between those categories then

i don't think jewish schools are under threat from militant trots but yr welcome to cite relevant evidence

Quite a bit of coded anti-Semitism from a certain kind of conservative upper middle class dude *COUGH*richardingrams*COUGH*. Quite a bit of kneejerk anti-Semitism from the lumpenleft/same dudes who specialise in kneejerk anti-Americanism, filters thru all levels of society tbh

nv otm

but off-colour remarks about israel

pretty certain security guards aren't there to protect against fashionable 'progressive' opinions

That Dawkins geezer can get pretty tasty when he's had a few.

that's what's nakh's saying i think

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was agreeing with you mr HM

I know I'll probably piss someone off here but I hate it when Americans with no ties to the middle east just spout off about Israel with this vague criticism of American Jews. I am not Jewish but sometimes I get the vibe that some people don't feel comfortable around Jews or maybe don't trust them. This seems illiterate and un-American to me, it is shocking to encounter, but I have encountered it from people who are not racist activists or "Zioni$m" nutcases.

Jews have no future in Holland'

By Michel Zlotowski, December 9, 2010

Due to the growing hostility ofa large part of Holland's Muslim population, Dutch Jews should emigrate to the United States or to Israel, said Frits Bolkestein, former European Commissioner and ex-leader of Holland's ruling right-wing VVD party.

The statement appeared in the book Het Verval (The Decline), written by Manfred Gerstenfeld, a Netherlands-born Holocaust survivor and senior researcher at the Jerusalem Centre for Public Affairs.

The book, published last week, examines the attitude of the Dutch Protestant Church towards Jews and argues that antisemitism is not restricted to people of Muslim background in the Netherlands.

pretty sure it's the dutch police that run a force of, er, 'decoy jews', ie cops dressed in orthodox attire in order to bait racists

also, this: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p00c342p

I think the US has tons of passive anti-Semitism, not like hate but a lack of familiarity with or appreciation for Jews.

There are lots of places in the US where those who live there have possibly never met a Jewish person in their lives. So the whole "lack of familiarity with or appreciation for" is kind of a given?

i dunno enough about the netherlands but i dread hearing such 'no future' rhetoric directed at/coming from british jews

at a certain point u gotta cut your losses.....but i don't think a few jihadi degenerates have made things that bad

of course the education of young muslims is a wider issue, and isn't helped by our lack of any apparent foreign policy goals not sourced from washington (i digress)

oh yeah i personally wouldn't subscribe to any 'no future' rhetoric, not least because i enjoy aggro, but i do think it is seriously worthy of concern as to how blithely people disregard overt displays of hatred or seek to hold all jews accountable for israel etc

again i still think you gotta think of violence/threats separately from left/liberal 'intellectual' antisemitism.....even if they have a cumulative effect

most ppl don't care about israel one way or the other

admittedly i don't associate with a lot of leftists but i'd be fairly confident that someone who srsly suggested israeli state policy was an issue about jews in general would be told to stfu in most circles

again i still think you gotta think of violence/threats separately from left/liberal 'intellectual' antisemitism.....even if they have a cumulative effect

i think they're both worthy of concern tbqh

i'd be fairly confident that someone who srsly suggested israeli state policy was an issue about jews in general would be told to stfu in most circles

i wouldn't

admittedly i don't associate with a lot of leftists

this is all going in your file

i think they're both worthy of concern tbqh

did i say otherwise

i wouldn't

ha i had second thoughts about that after posting

if ppl don't object to rhetoric like that, it's more likely cuz they are being timid/nonconfrontational/english than cuz they share it

anything to avoid an upset etc

only reason i joined combat 18 tbh, the awkward pause after i was invited was killing me

will ye have a cup of nuremberg tea

anything to avoid an upset etc

really wish i had yr faith

u gotta spend less time with elderly french film directors

someone who srsly suggested israeli state policy was an issue about jews in general

you realize this is how a lot of pro-Israelis frame their defenses of various monstrosities

should have seen the mess that guy made of my rug xp

casual-to-virulent anti-muslim sentiment seems far more prevalent in the UK to me than anti-semitism so this is quite a surprise but admittedly i never thought/knew much about increased security/fears at jewish schools and it all seems significantly more outside the radar

seems likely they feed off each other

nearly 7 times as many muslims as jews in the uk as well

casual-to-virulent anti-muslim sentiment seems far more prevalent in the UK to me than anti-semitism

Yeah this has seemed to be the case to me too.

Never in my life have I heard or overheard anyone ragging on Jewish people, obv I'm not a statistically worthwhile sampling in myself I guess. really it's off my radar too.

casual-to-virulent anti-muslim sentiment seems far more prevalent in the UK to me than anti-semitism

would venture this is true in the US as well

French dude just told me same about France.

something about muslim faith schools here but seems like their quantity and profile isn't quite high enough here to have caused the same concerns

when did the term 'faith schools' become commonplace? guessing within last 10 years in common with rebranding of oldtime fire and brimstone religion as new inclusive communitarian right-thinking ~faith~ [via t blair]

sigh http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12350913

I'm glad I don't live there!

It's really not that bad

In Worcester, someone daubed the word "Jew" on a pavement, accompanied by an arrow pointing towards a drain.

!!!!!!

It wasn't me, honest

It's really not that bad

I know what you mean, but all the same I'm guessing that only a fraction of incidents ever get reported.

ohoh louis theroux is trending already

ooh twitter racism outbreak has brought on the er 'fail whale'

DG - that report says incidents are down by a third from last year. Isn't the trend the important thing?

they're down because the previous year had a spike, the overall trend is upward

so yes, it is