Is this anti-semitism?

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someone who srsly suggested israeli state policy was an issue about jews in general

you realize this is how a lot of pro-Israelis frame their defenses of various monstrosities

"Information by surprise" is even legal in Sweden (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 9 December 2010 19:25 (thirteen years ago) link

should have seen the mess that guy made of my rug xp

Jefferson Mansplain (DG), Thursday, 9 December 2010 19:26 (thirteen years ago) link

casual-to-virulent anti-muslim sentiment seems far more prevalent in the UK to me than anti-semitism so this is quite a surprise but admittedly i never thought/knew much about increased security/fears at jewish schools and it all seems significantly more outside the radar

modrić in paradise (blueski), Thursday, 9 December 2010 20:26 (thirteen years ago) link

seems likely they feed off each other

i just posted (bnw), Thursday, 9 December 2010 20:39 (thirteen years ago) link

nearly 7 times as many muslims as jews in the uk as well

Jefferson Mansplain (DG), Thursday, 9 December 2010 20:40 (thirteen years ago) link

casual-to-virulent anti-muslim sentiment seems far more prevalent in the UK to me than anti-semitism

Yeah this has seemed to be the case to me too.

Never in my life have I heard or overheard anyone ragging on Jewish people, obv I'm not a statistically worthwhile sampling in myself I guess. really it's off my radar too.

Pashmina, Friday, 10 December 2010 00:05 (thirteen years ago) link

casual-to-virulent anti-muslim sentiment seems far more prevalent in the UK to me than anti-semitism

would venture this is true in the US as well

fuckin magnates, why don't they work (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 10 December 2010 00:42 (thirteen years ago) link

French dude just told me same about France.

mandatorily joined parties (Hurting 2), Friday, 10 December 2010 00:42 (thirteen years ago) link

something about muslim faith schools here but seems like their quantity and profile isn't quite high enough here to have caused the same concerns

modrić in paradise (blueski), Friday, 10 December 2010 00:45 (thirteen years ago) link

when did the term 'faith schools' become commonplace? guessing within last 10 years in common with rebranding of oldtime fire and brimstone religion as new inclusive communitarian right-thinking ~faith~ [via t blair]

nakhchivan, Friday, 10 December 2010 00:49 (thirteen years ago) link

one month passes...

sigh http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12350913

Jefferson Mansplain (DG), Thursday, 3 February 2011 13:42 (thirteen years ago) link

I'm glad I don't live there!

Mordy, Thursday, 3 February 2011 13:49 (thirteen years ago) link

It's really not that bad

Tom D (Lenin's his feir and Liebknecht's his mate) (Tom D.), Thursday, 3 February 2011 13:50 (thirteen years ago) link

In Worcester, someone daubed the word "Jew" on a pavement, accompanied by an arrow pointing towards a drain.

!!!!!!

Tom D (Lenin's his feir and Liebknecht's his mate) (Tom D.), Thursday, 3 February 2011 13:56 (thirteen years ago) link

It wasn't me, honest

a fucking stove just fell on my foot. (Colonel Poo), Thursday, 3 February 2011 13:58 (thirteen years ago) link

It's really not that bad

I know what you mean, but all the same I'm guessing that only a fraction of incidents ever get reported.

seminal fuiud (NickB), Thursday, 3 February 2011 14:10 (thirteen years ago) link

ohoh louis theroux is trending already

Jefferson Mansplain (DG), Thursday, 3 February 2011 14:55 (thirteen years ago) link

ooh twitter racism outbreak has brought on the er 'fail whale'

Jefferson Mansplain (DG), Thursday, 3 February 2011 21:32 (thirteen years ago) link

DG - that report says incidents are down by a third from last year. Isn't the trend the important thing?

Alba, Thursday, 3 February 2011 22:24 (thirteen years ago) link

they're down because the previous year had a spike, the overall trend is upward

Jefferson Mansplain (DG), Thursday, 3 February 2011 22:26 (thirteen years ago) link

so yes, it is

Jefferson Mansplain (DG), Thursday, 3 February 2011 22:27 (thirteen years ago) link

I can't see the figures before 2000 in that CST report. Do you have them?

Alba, Thursday, 3 February 2011 22:49 (thirteen years ago) link

no but feel free to email the cst, i'm sure they'd be happy to hear from you

Jefferson Mansplain (DG), Thursday, 3 February 2011 22:54 (thirteen years ago) link

Also, it's good that the CST publicise such incidents, but I'm unclear how they control for changes in reporting and recording behaviour over the years, which is important if their data is to be used to make longitudinal comparisons. Even they say that the rise "partly reflects the increased size and scope of the CST's work, and better reporting rates to CST from the Jewish community".

Alba, Thursday, 3 February 2011 22:58 (thirteen years ago) link

well i dont work for them so like i say, feel free to email them to quiz them about their methodology

Jefferson Mansplain (DG), Thursday, 3 February 2011 23:01 (thirteen years ago) link

But it doesn't interest you too?

Alba, Thursday, 3 February 2011 23:04 (thirteen years ago) link

lol, what are you hoping to gain from checking out the methodology? "oh look, methodological problems. UK is just as anti-semitic as its ever been, not significantly more."

Mordy, Thursday, 3 February 2011 23:06 (thirteen years ago) link

we could probably save a bit of bandwidth if you just said what you wanted to say instead of trying to nudge me towards some sort of exciting revelation of my damning misunderstanding of stats nick

Jefferson Mansplain (DG), Thursday, 3 February 2011 23:09 (thirteen years ago) link

I suspect you understand stats as well as I do. I'm not trying to say anything other than expressing a certain scepticism about the way stats get pushed in press releases to journalists. If asked to guess, I'd say that there was a real, depressing, spike in antisemitic incidents last year, that it's subsiding and that the longer-term trend is flattish.

I'm probably not going to email the CST questions because I'm lazy and would vaguely worry about being mistaken for some weird antisemite obsessing over their work.

Alba, Thursday, 3 February 2011 23:19 (thirteen years ago) link

well i'm glad yr optimistic but i'm not feeling it myself

Jefferson Mansplain (DG), Thursday, 3 February 2011 23:31 (thirteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...

http://www.leparisien.fr/laparisienne/actu-people/antisemitisme-presume-galliano-suspendu-de-ses-fonctions-chez-dior-25-02-2011-1331441.php

Le Parisien is reporting that he said, «Dirty jewish face, you should be dead», and «Fucking Asian bastard, I will kill you». That first one sounds odd. "Sale tête de juif" is a perfectly traditional anti-Semitic thing to say in French but who would say that in English? Maybe he was speaking Franglish.

Le mépris vient de la tête, la haine vient du cœur (Michael White), Friday, 25 February 2011 16:13 (thirteen years ago) link

oh glenn

not so shocked about the reform rabbis claim as I am rmde at alleging that Holocaust-survivor George Soros collaborated with the Nazis to send Jews to death camps

ice cr?m's world of female people (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 25 February 2011 21:08 (thirteen years ago) link

wait, it's anti-Semitic to draw devil horns and a goatee on a picture...?

DJP, Friday, 25 February 2011 21:14 (thirteen years ago) link

they gave him john galliano's facial hair

Romford Spring (DG), Friday, 25 February 2011 21:20 (thirteen years ago) link

According to Rabbi Abraham Cooper, scribbling a beard and devil horns on a photo of someone is "a symbol associated with virulent anti-Semitism going back to the Middle Ages, deployed by the genocidal Nazi regime, by Soviet propagandists and even in 2011 by those who still seek to demonize Jews today."

no pop, no style -- all simply (Viceroy), Friday, 25 February 2011 21:27 (thirteen years ago) link

http://www.askmoses.com/en/article/662,2068869/Did-Moses-have-horns.html

buzza, Friday, 25 February 2011 21:33 (thirteen years ago) link

The mistranslation that causes Michelangelo to portray Moses with horns (instead of 'radiant') has nothing to do with the demonization of a pre-Christian European horned god.

Le mépris vient de la tête, la haine vient du cœur (Michael White), Friday, 25 February 2011 21:53 (thirteen years ago) link

I had heard the "Jews have horns" things before but never actually connected that with the picture defacing

I feel like someone shat on my childhood

DJP, Friday, 25 February 2011 21:54 (thirteen years ago) link

I bet you drew penises too.

Super Cub, Friday, 25 February 2011 22:08 (thirteen years ago) link

THAT'S ANTI-SEMITIC TOO?????

DJP, Friday, 25 February 2011 22:10 (thirteen years ago) link

depends - were they circumcised

ice cr?m's world of female people (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 25 February 2011 22:10 (thirteen years ago) link

I might get a horn making out w/Betty, too.

Le mépris vient de la tête, la haine vient du cœur (Michael White), Friday, 25 February 2011 22:14 (thirteen years ago) link

Classic. Fashion designer an arrogant hateful dick SHOCKAH!

Tom D (Tom D.), Monday, 28 February 2011 13:08 (thirteen years ago) link

This article was amended on 27 February 2011. The original headline, 'Bon viveur? Yes. Racist? Non', was felt to have been misleading, by giving the impression the writer had concluded John Galliano was not a racist before any allegation had been fully investigated. It has now been changed.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/feb/25/john-galliano-paris-shows-doubt

lol

Romford Spring (DG), Monday, 28 February 2011 13:26 (thirteen years ago) link

"It was the Dom Perignon talking, occifer, honest..."

Tom D (Tom D.), Monday, 28 February 2011 13:27 (thirteen years ago) link

oh gawd

No one was surprised that Dior suspended him pending the police investigation.

yeah, the fashion industry is well known for its high ethical standards

this odyssey that refuses to quit calling itself (history mayne), Monday, 28 February 2011 13:29 (thirteen years ago) link


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