Seinfeld: Classic or Dud

ve been enjoying the episode write-ups on the av club

― bows don't kill people, arrows do (Jordan), Thursday, January 6, 2011 3:23 PM (31 seconds ago) Bookmark

I read that a lot... it isn't distributed outside of Denver & Chicago, is it?

IMO the hidden strength of the show for me is the minor characters. Newman especially, but also George's parents, Puddy, Uncle Leo, Peterman, Susan...all great supporting roles. The show was great no matter who was on the screen. Even most of the extras/one-episode characters were great.

the paper version of the onion is still around in madison and milwaukee, not sure where else (it's all online obv.)

It's weird how much of my generation (born in the mid 80s) have gotten into this show 6-7 years after it ended (myself included), considering most of us hated it when it was on. It's one of the few sitcoms that most teenagers (esp. those aged 13-16) wouldn't be able to understand why it was so funny.

― frogbs, Thursday, January 6, 2011 2:03 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

This. I only got into watching it after I saw the first season of Curb Your Enthusiasm.

^coming from the aforementioned GENERATION X (*arms cross*) most dudes I know were watching this in middle-school, under influence of their parents. I guess it's also the result of going being friends with a lot of Jewish kids as well.

yeah I'm gen x too I guess, I just didn't have TV growing up

George's parents, his dad especially, make me lose my shit every time they are on screen.

spanish teacher of mine in high-school used to call me "senor puddy" b/c apparently i'm a doppleganger for the dude - husky, brawny, moronic type. i didn't really realize how insulting it actually kinda was til i started watching the series; but the name-calling was kinda mutual amongst everyone in the class.

I got into the show in 8th grade, during its second (?) season. I was a fairly indiscriminate fan of sitcoms at the time, but Seinfeld's particular brand of humor did speak to me.

I can't see, or really appreciate, this objectively still because it was so omnipresent and has always been on syndication since it left the air. So it's like a 90s song that you can't judge because you don't have fresh ears for it.

Don't understand? ^ I feel the issues they pose in each and every episode are kinda those things that are going to be forever relevant to anything post-90's.

big show for me while it was on, remember watching the final episode with friends the night I was leaving college for the summer after my freshman year and flying to visit my family in Hong Kong

No, I understand it and enjoy it, but it's that I a lot of episodes when I was younger -- maybe it's just me personally. I guess it'd be like if you were born in the 70s, had heard the Beatles since you were born, and there comes a certain point where you became spoiled and almost dismiss their work in favor of other pop that isn't as familiar, but then later you can hear it again.

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I had seen glimpses of, say, the Soup Nazi episode or the "Not that there's anything wrong with that!" episode, but I was still pretty new to the show when I bought the Seinfeld complete DVD set a couple months ago. It's now my favorite show of all time. I am absolutely obsessed. Even the not-so-great ones like "The Blood" and "The Dog" still have their moments. I also give this show an enormous amount of credit for quitting when it was time to quit, rather than sticking around forever and tarnishing their legacy and turning into The Simpsons.

Why did everyone hate the final episode? Surely the fans had a better reason to moan than "Oh I didn't want to see our heroes get thrown into the slammer!" Whatever. I roffled. "Now! It is Babu's turn to mock! They're very very bad people!" (plus the finger thing) Classic!

Interesting (but not all that suprising, really) to read that Seinfeld was a flop in the UK.

No, I understand it and enjoy it

Oops, sorry, my short-script way of writing tends to confuse people. I meant *I* don't understand - I wasn't questioning whether you understood the series or whatever. But I can kinda see what you're talking about now.

My wife and I gave up sugar/caffeine/meat/dairy/booze for a week and it's made her super focused and smart and turned me into a complete idiot - the past few days have been a series of jokes about her learning to speak Portuguese and me clapping happily about shiny spinning things, ala George and Elaine when they both gave up sex.

I totally loved this show, then watched way too much of it when it was constantly on reruns and we only had antenna TV and I got so sick of it. But it's been long enough that I actually want to watch it again.

It's weird how much of my generation (born in the mid 80s) have gotten into this show 6-7 years after it ended (myself included), considering most of us hated it when it was on. It's one of the few sitcoms that most teenagers (esp. those aged 13-16) wouldn't be able to understand why it was so funny.

― frogbs, Thursday, January 6, 2011 2:03 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i was born in '81, and enjoyed it from about the age of 13/14 when they started showing it on bbc 2 in the evenings. it did take me a while to get into it though, didn't really get it at first. although NOBODY else in my entire school as far as i know watched the show. either never seen it, or just didn't get the humour.

It wasn't really a flop in the UK. On terrestrial TV it was only really aired late at night (around 11pm) on BBC2 midweek, and never really promoted.

It got a cult following, and it became a cliche to moan about how shabbily the BBC treated it. I once heard that it was because Alan Yentob, then the controller of BBC2, just didn't like it.

If it had had a 9 or 10pm slot on Fridays on Channel 4, which was the classic slot for US sitcoms, I suspect it would have been a hit.

i'm not sure. even most people i know who like "curb" have never really gotten into it. i can only think of one other person i know irl who's a fan.

Yeah only time I saw it,being a young child at the time,was when I had the flu and so was allowed to have telly on that late. I remember finding it funny but not getting a lot of it,the sponges for instance.

Yeah I know hardly anyone who watches it yet know plenty who watch curb.

i'm always flabbergasted by US sitcom literacy when UK sitcom literacy in America usually stops at "Are You Being Served"

Most of my friends in Glasgow were fans. Odd.

Xp. Not really that surprising surely? Majority of films at the cinema are american and tv,and sitcoms most of all,is done a lot better in america.

"Americans make the BEST shit sandwiches!"

if that metallica song, "sad but true", was a gif, I'd post it right here.

It's weird how much of my generation (born in the mid 80s) have gotten into this show 6-7 years after it ended (myself included), considering most of us hated it when it was on. It's one of the few sitcoms that most teenagers (esp. those aged 13-16) wouldn't be able to understand why it was so funny.

― frogbs, Thursday, January 6, 2011 3:03 PM (4 hours ago) Bookmark

are you kidding i was watching the shit out of seinfeld when i was 11... it was pretty much the comedic landmark of my early-mid teens

I wouldn't say British sitcoms are widely popular in the US but there's definitely a strong cult audience. I discovered Father Ted through my local video store when I lived in Richmond, Va., you can find the ILX thread where lots of American posters were sure the U.S. "Office" wouldn't live up to the UK "Office," etc.

father ted is probs my fave sitcom, seinfeld is top 5 for sure, tho.

i remember when the finale aired i was in like 7th grade and i tried bringing it up to classmates and they were all 'huh?'

Is there a UK version of seinfeld? I always thought of coupling as a UK version of friends (similarly insipid but about 1000x more cleverly written).

http://www.sitcom.co.uk/sitcoms/baddiels_syndrome.shtml

alan yentob otm imo

A lot of the appeal of Seinfeld comes from New York attitudes & culture. It's not going to translate well to pish-posh London.

But somehow appealed to the rest of america?

I didn't say it was exclusively New Yorker affair, but it was definitely there. I remember the episode about locks, in which everybody knew the make and model number of their locks and what was the latest kind or whatever - and this wasn't part of the joke.

although NOBODY else in my entire school as far as i know watched the show. either never seen it, or just didn't get the humour.

Ha, I totally bonded with a girl in 9th grade b/c she was the only other person I knew who watched it. (She was also the only Jewish person I knew.) That started to change about a year later -- not sure whether because my peer group was getting older or because the show had started to attract more fans across the board.

i think the jewish connection is otm. all my peers and i watched this really from like 5th grade and on (went to an all jewish school)

I loved Seinfeld when it was on but it was always second to NewsRadio IMO. I haven't watched it much since it ended but I've definitely seen every episode multiple times. Some of the living-in-NYC jokes of course fell flat to me, but the show had a lot more than just "lol new york!" going for it.

I have never been able to enjoy Curb Your Enthus. though.

And its definitely a cultural touchstone for Millennials so I don't know wtf this "my generation hated it" shit is all about...

It took me years to discover that Seinfeld was absolute fucking genius. I think what did it for me was watching it on an acid comedown. Specifically, this scene had me in absolute hysterics:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BurZnaBas6U

ah, maybe that needs to be contextualized to understand.

LOL just write-it-off!! A classic bit!

According to the "making of" documentary that comes with the season one DVD's, all the major networks turned down the pilot in part because the humor was "too Jewish." WTF does that even mean?

completely irrelevant, yet relevant:

Journalist/critic Frank Lovece in Newsday contrasted the humor tradition of Groening's two series, finding that, "The Simpsons echoes the strains of American-Irish vaudeville humor — the beer-soaked, sneaking-in-late-while-the-wife's-asleep comedy of Harrigan and Hart, McNulty and Murray, the Four Cohans (which, yes, included George M.) and countless others: knockabout yet sentimental, and ultimately about the bonds of blood family. Futurama, conversely, stems from Jewish-American humor, and not just in the obvious archetype of Dr. Zoidberg. From vaudeville to the Catskills to Woody Allen, it's that distinctly rueful humor built to ward away everything from despair to petty annoyance — the 'You gotta do what you gotta do' philosophy that helps the 'Futurama' characters cope in a mega-corporate world where the little guy is essentially powerless".[32] Animation maven Jerry Beck concurred: "I'm Jewish, and I know what you're saying. Fry has that [type of humor], Dr. Zoidberg, all the [vocal artist] Billy West characters. I see it. The bottom line is, the producers are trying to make sure the shows are completely different entities".[32]

ok hold on, lemme give you the gift of indentation:

Journalist/critic Frank Lovece in Newsday contrasted the humor tradition of Groening's two series, finding that, "The Simpsons echoes the strains of American-Irish vaudeville humor — the beer-soaked, sneaking-in-late-while-the-wife's-asleep comedy of Harrigan and Hart, McNulty and Murray, the Four Cohans (which, yes, included George M.) and countless others: knockabout yet sentimental, and ultimately about the bonds of blood family.

Futurama, conversely, stems from Jewish-American humor, and not just in the obvious archetype of Dr. Zoidberg. From vaudeville to the Catskills to Woody Allen, it's that distinctly rueful humor built to ward away everything from despair to petty annoyance — the 'You gotta do what you gotta do' philosophy that helps the 'Futurama' characters cope in a mega-corporate world where the little guy is essentially powerless".[32]

Animation maven Jerry Beck concurred: "I'm Jewish, and I know what you're saying. Fry has that [type of humor], Dr. Zoidberg, all the [vocal artist] Billy West characters. I see it. The bottom line is, the producers are trying to make sure the shows are completely different entities".[32]

triple post, but "petty annoyance" stands out most. 95% of seinfeld episodes are about trivialities and making an extremely huge deal about them.

I was watching seinfeld pretty much from almost the beginning (first episode I remember seeing that made an impression on me was when George tried to poison his boss). I was 13 at the time (and non-jewish and not a new yorker) and it quickly became my second favorite show after the Simpsons, though I'm sure a lot of the humor went right over my head. So I don't really understand why people think teenagers wouldn't get this show.

If I remember correctly, the reason I started watching it in the first place was because it played immediately following Night Court.

I remember being a fresman in HS and this dorky friend of mine kept asking me if I was watching this new show 'Seinfeld' and how it was so funny. I think it was a year before I actually saw an episode. But this show is epic and should easily win this poll!

it played immediately following Night Court.

My recollection was it was Unsolved Mysteries.

So I don't really understand why people think teenagers wouldn't get this show.

My three best friends in high school were fucking obsessed with this show and talked about it incessantly. I was the only one who didn't think it was exceptional-- maybe because it was too popular or something stupid like that. Boy, I really came around a decade-and-a-half later.