Is journalism dying?

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haha!

James Blount (James Blount), Thursday, 29 May 2003 16:02 (twenty-one years ago) link

i went into journalism so i could answer the phone by saying "city desk?"

That's what my friend Lukas does. He hates it.

hstencil, Thursday, 29 May 2003 16:04 (twenty-one years ago) link

i answer all phones ever with an exasperated "STUdio"

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 29 May 2003 16:32 (twenty-one years ago) link

i wanna answer the phone with a stogie in my mouth and bark, "YEAH?!?" that's when i'll know that i've made it.

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Thursday, 29 May 2003 16:45 (twenty-one years ago) link

dude yanc3 join the 21st Centu-ray: no one who's anyone answers their own fucking phone any more.

hstencil, Thursday, 29 May 2003 16:49 (twenty-one years ago) link

http://www.willisdominion.com/jjspan.jpg

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 29 May 2003 17:17 (twenty-one years ago) link

Maybe the problem is that journalists don't have anyone cool like Spiderman to cover. We need more superheroes!

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 29 May 2003 17:49 (twenty-one years ago) link

wish i'd never got into it...

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Thursday, 29 May 2003 18:46 (twenty-one years ago) link

el hombre de arachno, you mean, Tracer.

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 29 May 2003 18:57 (twenty-one years ago) link

Don't get me started on smaller-market alt-weeklies and the nepotism and BOOSHIT involved therein.

Aaron W (Aaron W), Thursday, 29 May 2003 19:13 (twenty-one years ago) link

the corruption and cronyism rampant at 95% of alt-weeklies is depressing

James Blount (James Blount), Thursday, 29 May 2003 19:22 (twenty-one years ago) link

not nearly as depressing as the awful writing though

James Blount (James Blount), Thursday, 29 May 2003 19:22 (twenty-one years ago) link

Couldn't agree more, James.

Aaron W (Aaron W), Thursday, 29 May 2003 19:24 (twenty-one years ago) link

and people think that us lawyers are bad ... at least journalists are seen as being lower on the food chain than we are these days!

Tad (llamasfur), Thursday, 29 May 2003 19:27 (twenty-one years ago) link

We need more superheroes!

Okay Tracer, I am going to drive into Baltimore this weekend and beat up heroin dealers with my shining teeth, blazing feet, and lightning wit. You have to come up with a crazy name for me, though.

I'm betting 4-1 that I have actually been impervious to bullets all along. Who's in?

Millar (Millar), Thursday, 29 May 2003 19:36 (twenty-one years ago) link

Yeah but Tad lawyers make a helluva lot more than journalists. You could all be saints and we'd still hate all of you.

hstencil, Thursday, 29 May 2003 19:37 (twenty-one years ago) link

Don't get me started on smaller-market alt-weeklies and the nepotism and BOOSHIT involved therein.

-- Aaron W (aaro...), May 29th, 2003.

the corruption and cronyism rampant at 95% of alt-weeklies is depressing

-- James Blount (littlejohnnyjewe...), May 29th, 2003.

not nearly as depressing as the awful writing though

-- James Blount (littlejohnnyjewe...), May 29th, 2003.

Couldn't agree more, James.

-- Aaron W (aaro...), May 29th, 2003.

ooh, ooh, count me in on all of this too. and let's not forget how fucking long it takes them to mail cheques. the assholes.

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 29 May 2003 19:43 (twenty-one years ago) link

once it took them 8 months to pay me. and they wonder why I stopped writing for them. EIGHT MONTHS!
I mean, I know accounting and editorial are, like, totally different cubicles, but EIGHT MONTHS!
And that's with me asking about it a lot.

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 29 May 2003 20:07 (twenty-one years ago) link

Do the alt-weeklies even do much community journalism anymore? Seems to me, all they do is sell entertainment to yuppies who think they're too cool to be considered yuppies.

But bitching about them feels counter-productive. People who are frustrated should get together and do their own newspaper.

Kerry (dymaxia), Thursday, 29 May 2003 20:12 (twenty-one years ago) link

six years pass...

Meanwhile The WaPo pulled back at the last minute from allowing its publishers and newsroom to mingle with lobbysits.

My name is Kenny! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 3 July 2009 01:34 (fifteen years ago) link

eight months pass...

our wonderful local rag, aka that nasty bunch of hypocrites: http://www.thisishullandeastriding.co.uk/news/Town-website-publisher-s-porn-business/article-1883453-detail/article.html

tomofthenest, Thursday, 4 March 2010 15:43 (fourteen years ago) link

one year passes...

http://i.imgur.com/B5ez7.jpg

gr8080, Friday, 6 May 2011 21:48 (thirteen years ago) link

one year passes...

So the Cape Cod newspaper has its very own Stephen Glass:

There is an implied contract between a newspaper and its readers. The paper prints the truth. Readers believe that it's true.

It's not always so simple, of course. There are nuances in how a story is presented, what words are used to describe the action. Papers have personalities, and no two are exactly alike, but at the end of the day, facts are facts. And a good newspaper holds nothing more sacred than its role to tell the truth. Always. As fully and as fairly as possible.

This is our guiding principle, so it is with heavy heart that we tell you the Cape Cod Times has broken that trust. An internal review has found that one of our reporters wrote dozens of stories that included one or more sources who do not exist.

The reporter was Karen Jeffrey, 59, a writer for the Cape Cod Times since 1981. In an audit of her work, Times editors have been unable to find 69 people in 34 stories since 1998, when we began archiving stories electronically.

On Tuesday, Jeffrey admitted to fabricating people in some of these articles and giving some others false names. She no longer works for the Cape Cod Times.

We were able to verify sourcing in many stories written by Jeffrey, mostly police and court news, political stories, and recently a series on returning war veterans. The stories with suspect sourcing were typically lighter fare – a story on young voters, a story on getting ready for a hurricane, a story on the Red Sox home opener – where some or all of the people quoted cannot be located.

In 2011, for example, a story on the Fourth of July parade in Cotuit featured Johnson Coggins, 88, “the patriarch of the family” and a longtime Cotuit summer resident. No one by that name can be found using public-records searches and there is no Coggins in the town of Barnstable's assessor's database. We were unable to locate five other people featured in that story.

In a 2006 story on the Falmouth Road Race, we were unable to find five individuals, including Daniel Fortes of San Diego, a marathon runner who, Jeffrey wrote, has run the Boston Marathon and the Falmouth race but was sidelined with an injury that year. Fortes could not be found using public records and no one with that name had competed in the Falmouth race or the Boston Marathon for the five years leading up to the story, according to the races' websites.

Times editors reviewed Jeffrey's stories using a variety of search techniques, including a public-records database tool called Accurint, searches of voter rolls and town assessor's records, a review of Facebook profiles and attempted phone calls in an effort to find the sources.

super perv powder (Phil D.), Wednesday, 5 December 2012 15:49 (eleven years ago) link

three months pass...
ten months pass...

http://www.cjr.org/the_audit/nyt_hasnt_been_hit_that_hard.php

j., Saturday, 8 February 2014 00:35 (ten years ago) link

one month passes...

"You probably think of us as big innovators on the editorial side."

Little Nicky Pizza loved that rascal Rust (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 31 March 2014 17:39 (ten years ago) link

Ha.

curmudgeon, Monday, 31 March 2014 17:50 (ten years ago) link

former alt-weekly editor, now in the academic world, makes hipster plea to rich folks to buy alt-weeklies

Because if the John Henrys and the Jeff Bezoses can pick up papers for a song, it's a song popular when they had more hair and it was on the "radio." Alt-weeklies, however, can be yours for the cost of a download by a band you've never heard of, but one you will totes YouTube after reading that review by an alt's music writer who wears a knit cap, always, even in summer. Because she knows what she's talking about, and she's talking about it in a medium that continues to be relevant — and even sometimes makes money.

What I'm saying is that alt-weeklies are still a darn good value in today's media market. And here's why:

No. 1: They're cheap! So cheap, even broke-ish dailies are plunking down for them! Baltimore City Paper just got eaten by the Baltimore Sun Media Group. The price? Undisclosed, but it couldn’t be much. The underpaid City Paper staff had concocted a scheme before the sale to pool money and buy the thing outright. And let's visit Chicago, shall we? The Sun-Times bought the Chicago Reader in 2012 for about $3 million, according to sources "close to the deal." Consider that's half a million less than a group of eight people paid on eBay that year to have lunch at a steakhouse with Warren Buffet. So instead of a side of creamed spinach (and a few stilted selfies) you could own an institution that's been kicking tail since 1972

curmudgeon, Monday, 31 March 2014 17:53 (ten years ago) link

one month passes...
eight months pass...

Just saw this. Was wondering if he was connected to the sovereign citizen movement. And if not, could he be pushed if someone were to send him a few youtubes?

how's life, Tuesday, 6 January 2015 20:01 (nine years ago) link

Sovereign Citizen types claim the right not to have their names spoken/published? Damn, those people are crazier than I thought.

the magnetic pope has sparked (WilliamC), Tuesday, 6 January 2015 20:12 (nine years ago) link

Well, they have weird and tricky ownership procedures around them anyway.

how's life, Tuesday, 6 January 2015 20:22 (nine years ago) link

nine months pass...

good vice diss

the late great, Tuesday, 13 October 2015 03:04 (nine years ago) link

two months pass...

i've noticed that i have a new anxiety, just before i am about to post something somewhere that links to a news story or anything dated/dateable, i think to double check to make sure it really is 'now' and not like, four days old

i saw that the guardian has started putting, in addition to the dateline, notices at the tops of stories: 'this article is 2 years old' etc

j., Tuesday, 12 January 2016 22:42 (eight years ago) link

three months pass...

lol The New Day closes before we even bother to take the piss

some men just want to watch the world Bern (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 5 May 2016 06:22 (eight years ago) link

Upbeat, optimistic approach

Daithi Bowsie (darraghmac), Thursday, 5 May 2016 07:05 (eight years ago) link

Don't remember even noticing this on sale. Business model seems to have been, a free paper, but costing money?

a defense for Euro-Blackface (Bananaman Begins), Thursday, 5 May 2016 07:38 (eight years ago) link

amazed that their innovative pitch of 'A brand new UK National Paper for women and men' somehow failed to grab the attention of readers

i do not sense the entity ted (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 5 May 2016 08:23 (eight years ago) link

it didn't have a political stance

or readers

some men just want to watch the world Bern (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 5 May 2016 09:55 (eight years ago) link

rip the new day heaven needed a... whatever you were

i do not sense the entity ted (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 5 May 2016 10:05 (eight years ago) link

one month passes...

these guys did the pied piper table ad, right?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vdkz9y8LRDI

thrusted pelvis-first back (ulysses), Tuesday, 21 June 2016 15:58 (eight years ago) link

when she says "that's the fun part" a little part of her dies

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 21 June 2016 15:58 (eight years ago) link

that tronc recruitment video would make me run away screaming, rather than be put through a funnel and optimized.

a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Tuesday, 21 June 2016 16:02 (eight years ago) link

one year passes...

http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/google-funds-press-association-robot-reporter-project-which-will-provide-30000-local-media-stories-a-month/

"The Press Assocation has been awarded €706,000 by Google to develop a robot reporting project which will see computers write 30,000 stories a month for local media."

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Friday, 7 July 2017 09:27 (seven years ago) link

I think it’s within the fundamental responsibility of journalists to call a claim “baseless” if, in their judgment, it is. They’re the people in a position to know (as opposed to, like, us). They’ve just interviewed the relevant experts on both sides of the story. And if an actual judge says that the President’s proxies are trying to undermine faith in an election, using a word like “subvert” is justified. On the other hand, NOT using those words would be granting Trump (or whoever) a legitimacy he hasn’t earned.

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Monday, 7 December 2020 17:11 (three years ago) link

I don't really need daily headlines like "Trump Once Again Demonstrates Lack of Scruples" when that kind of thing is all over my social media feed.

fetch my fainting couch!

huge rant (sic), Monday, 7 December 2020 19:29 (three years ago) link

I don't know, maybe Trump really is as relentlessly bad as the Times portrays him to be, but it's very hard to read that paper day after day and have any sense of why, you know, 72 million people might vote for him, other than they are all crazy, misinformed, racist or what have you. I guess there is a popular sideline in Times analysts trying to explain this great mystery, though no one seems to ever ask if maybe he's not as one-dimensionally evil as they portray him to be, and whether that might explain part of it. I feel like some other news sources have no trouble calling Trump on his bullshit yet somehow seem to present more of an appearance of evenhandedness or objectivity.

o. nate, Saturday, 12 December 2020 04:52 (three years ago) link

Weird genre of post you’re inventing here

is right unfortunately (silby), Saturday, 12 December 2020 05:15 (three years ago) link

can you point to some articles in other press about various scruples that he has demonstrated?

huge rant (sic), Saturday, 12 December 2020 05:26 (three years ago) link

I'm not saying other press sources are constantly writing about his strong moral fiber, just that they tend to treat him more like all of the other politicians they cover (not all of whom regularly cover themselves in glory where demonstration of scruples is concerned) and less like a uniquely corrupt and maleficent force. Anyway, there's no joy to be had these days trying to advocate for old-fashioned journalistic values of neutrality, separation of editorial pages from "hard news" pages etc. Perhaps those values were always a thin veneer of respectability that deserved to be worn away.

o. nate, Monday, 21 December 2020 20:45 (three years ago) link

eleven months pass...

Bob McChesney and John Nichols:

https://www.cjr.org/business_of_news/the-local-journalism-initiative.php

Tracer Hand, Thursday, 2 December 2021 15:01 (two years ago) link

eleven months pass...

Wow and yikes. I went to the homepage and it's all like that, just puff pieces sucking up to assorted Middle Eastern moguls and hotshots. Gross.

can't believe how far the most trusted name in news, Esquire Middle East, has fallen

G. D’Arcy Cheesewright (silby), Tuesday, 22 November 2022 01:34 (one year ago) link

I just looked it up, Esquire has a bunch of international editions. Not all of them owned by Hearst, some it looks like they just sold the rights to the name to an in-country publisher. But Esquire ME is an actual Hearst mag. So is Esquire Bulgaria, which I bet is a treat.

one year passes...

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bae (sic), Saturday, 10 February 2024 19:37 (nine months ago) link

Never

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 10 February 2024 19:43 (nine months ago) link

I read that article (clean link) and my reaction was that it makes me wonder if journalists fundamentally misunderstand how the average person sees news. Why pay to learn something that will likely bum you out, and about which you can do nothing? Isn't life hard enough already? More and more, I feel like a medieval peasant. The rulers are gonna do what they're gonna do, and the people in charge of telling us about that are mostly cheering them on (in a "can't argue with success!" sort of way), so fuck "the news." I'd rather spend my money on music, books and movies, and if I'm "uninformed," so be it. I don't feel like I'm missing much.

Tahuti Watches L&O:SVU Reruns Without His Ape (unperson), Saturday, 10 February 2024 20:31 (nine months ago) link

yeah

G. D’Arcy Cheesewright (silby), Saturday, 10 February 2024 20:45 (nine months ago) link

Urgh, my wife and I are j-school types. We don't really have a lot of backup plans and it's a bit late to generate a backup plan now.

Recently she looked into going to law school at age 46. That seems pretty far-fetched, but it's not like I have a better idea.

We are unlikely to manage mortgage/college/retirement/debt etc. whilst working at e.g. McDonald's. (No disrespect to those who do, just saying it would be a tough bunch of changes.)

Virginia Wolfman (Ye Mad Puffin), Saturday, 10 February 2024 21:12 (nine months ago) link

if you're considering career moves, as a high school teacher i mean this 100% sincerely, please consider teaching! media literacy is absolutely kicking our collective asses and we don't have enough people who understand it to teach kids about it.

polyamerie "it's more than this 1 thing" (m bison), Saturday, 10 February 2024 21:34 (nine months ago) link

The essay's right about the forces at work, but what's amazing to me — and The Messenger is obviously the most ridiculous example of this — is how many people with lots of money at big media companies have just totally failed to understand the realities. Advertising is gone as a primary revenue stream for news/media companies. But these guys still think they're gonna get rich selling ads.

Subscription and/or nonprofit models are the obvious ways to go. They both have their challenges, but there are a lot of people doing good work with both of them right now. Will just have to see how well they can sustain themselves. I'm less pessimistic about journalism than I was five years ago, because I think there's a lot of interesting stuff going on. But for sure it's unstable, and I'm happy not to be working for legacy media companies still trying to retrofit their old models.

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Sunday, 11 February 2024 05:25 (nine months ago) link

More and more, I feel like a medieval peasant. The rulers are gonna do what they're gonna do, and the people in charge of telling us about that are mostly cheering them on (in a "can't argue with success!" sort of way), so fuck "the news." I'd rather spend my money on music, books and movies, and if I'm "uninformed," so be it. I don't feel like I'm missing much.

― Tahuti Watches L&O:SVU Reruns Without His Ape (unperson), Saturday, 10 February 2024 bookmarkflaglink

Most people in the medieval era couldn't read or write. Which is what I get from your posts

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 11 February 2024 14:00 (nine months ago) link

The essay's right about the forces at work, but what's amazing to me — and The Messenger is obviously the most ridiculous example of this — is how many people with lots of money at big media companies have just totally failed to understand the realities. Advertising is gone as a primary revenue stream for news/media companies.

And when a much-ballyhooed site like The Messenger collapses the crash sounds louder -- it becomes another warning sign, another "there, you see? Media IS collapsing!"

poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 11 February 2024 14:31 (nine months ago) link

xp I suspect that primary and secondary school teaching is going to mostly be a volunteer force in 20 years and work on an equivalent of the original Sunday School system in 30.

Christine Green Leafy Dragon Indigo, Sunday, 11 February 2024 15:05 (nine months ago) link

please consider teaching! media literacy is absolutely kicking our collective asses and we don't have enough people who understand it to teach kids about it

Teaching media literacy would have to be a stealth operation, because with the enshrinement of standard tests driving the entire curriculum these days there's not much space for anything else in a school day.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Sunday, 11 February 2024 19:54 (nine months ago) link

I disagree. It’s pretty easy to align lessons on media literacy with the common core. You are assessing their ability to make inferences and comprehend nonfiction texts.

treeship., Sunday, 11 February 2024 20:02 (nine months ago) link

treesh, I know you're a smart and experienced enough teacher to control your own lessons in depth and make your teaching materials work for you rather than the other way around, but that is a high level and a difficult attainment. For a less experienced or committed teacher, the fact that most contemporary media are not consumed as nonfiction texts places a large constraint on their effectively teaching media literacy. Even more so, if the classroom materials are imposed rather than discretionary.

Anyway, I acknowledge your greater expertise on this, so if you think my perspective is insufficiently grounded, I'll accept your conclusions.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Sunday, 11 February 2024 20:20 (nine months ago) link

two months pass...

Nice to see that Chicago's longtime alt-weekly is now an actual weekly again:
https://chicagoreader.com/columns-opinion/staff-notes/weekly-newspaper/

jaymc, Saturday, 4 May 2024 15:19 (six months ago) link

Good editorial.

bae (sic), Saturday, 4 May 2024 18:39 (six months ago) link

yeah. stirring stuff!

Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 4 May 2024 20:55 (six months ago) link


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