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Yeah, I'll hate too, thank you very much.

I'm told that the loan for the house I'm buying is structured in such a way that I can deduct the entirety of my mortgage payments. Something smells very Fat Tony about it, but if true I'm really looking forward to that.

m.e.a. (m.e.a.), Thursday, 15 April 2004 02:33 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm getting a nice refund myself, but don't hate me, as it's pretty much all getting funnelled right towards paying off other debt.

Girolamo Savonarola, Thursday, 15 April 2004 02:39 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm getting a pretty nice refund, although I think I missed out on some deductions I could have made and wasn't QUITE sure about some of the things I did deduct. I won't be able to spend it on anything fun anyway.

Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 15 April 2004 02:40 (twenty-two years ago)

I won't hate you Girolamo since, according to the other thread, you are supposed to be dead.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 15 April 2004 02:41 (twenty-two years ago)

My refund is better than your refund

gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 15 April 2004 02:45 (twenty-two years ago)

There's a death-and-taxes joke in there somewhere, but I'm too busy hatin' on the folks getting refunds to think of one. (xpost)

m.e.a. (m.e.a.), Thursday, 15 April 2004 02:46 (twenty-two years ago)

I got a small refund about a month ago, after filing my taxes about three weeks before that. I've begun to utilize the assistance of the same woman my mother goes to, at an H&R Block place. She is the absolute best and makes the whole process go as smoothly as possible, which is really great because Lord knows there are more than enough headaches one can encounter in one's financial life without even going into the whole "taxes" issue!

Many Coloured Halo (Dee the Lurker), Thursday, 15 April 2004 03:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Gah. All I have to say is, fuck a self-employment tax.

the krza (krza), Thursday, 15 April 2004 04:07 (twenty-two years ago)

I just telefiled for the first time. Easy as pie. But then again, I'm single and only worked one job last year.

jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 15 April 2004 04:10 (twenty-two years ago)

nine months pass...
I spent all day today going through mounds of receipts from the last five years, to prepare some back taxes. I'm probably gonna owe big time since I didn't file from 2000 on. (I tried to for 2000 but they wanted rent receipts and I didn't have 'em; I wasn't on a lease then. I haven't had one till last February, actually. Should be interesting.) And HOLY FUCK do my hands hurt! Cab receipts are TINY. ALL receipts are tiny, in fact.

I'm trying to get it done by Tuesday so I can just go to my accountant's and be like, "here's the stuff, it's done, go to it." Then I get to watch my hard-earned checking account drain away. Sigh. It'll be worth it to have it behind me, though.

Matos W.K. (M Matos), Sunday, 16 January 2005 10:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Did 2002 already; the other years are separated out. So I have to go through 2000-1 and 2003 and figure out my total income and deductibles. I'll go to it tomorrow; right now I'm beat (and at the office, where all the paperwork is, eurgh.)

Matos W.K. (M Matos), Sunday, 16 January 2005 10:44 (twenty-one years ago)

2004 will be done during normal tax time, as w/everyone else.

Matos W.K. (M Matos), Sunday, 16 January 2005 10:44 (twenty-one years ago)

I finally did my Taxes for the last financial year yesterday. It was a lot easier than I'd built it up to be.

Andrew (enneff), Sunday, 16 January 2005 11:39 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah, if it weren't for all the damn bits of paper (five frickin' years' worth, ugh) so would mine be.

Matos W.K. (M Matos), Sunday, 16 January 2005 12:16 (twenty-one years ago)

whoo, that sounds awful matos! Things will be a little worse this year for me than usual because I have to figure my and my husband's taxes separately, then together to see which way is better, but at least I'm fairly certain there's a refund at the end. Back taxes, yuck.

teeny (teeny), Sunday, 16 January 2005 14:26 (twenty-one years ago)

three weeks pass...
okay, exactly how strict are they about monitoring moving expenses? mine may or may not be work-related, in that i left michigan with one job, then drove to oregon, and eventually got another job.

Kingfish MuffMiner 2049er (Kingfish), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 06:12 (twenty-one years ago)

one month passes...
Everyone having fun yet? (Calculated mine for feds and state today and essentially have a 'refund' in that the amount I set aside regularly each year to cover things beyond withholding will barely need to be touched, so I'll apply the balance to the Euro trip -- most handy.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 20 March 2005 20:25 (twenty-one years ago)

oh fuck I have to go to an accountant soon

kyle (akmonday), Sunday, 20 March 2005 23:26 (twenty-one years ago)

A nice refund this year, for once. My accountant suggested that I use it to make all of this year's quarterly estimated payments in advance and I said "hahahaha... no."

Curious George Finds the Ether Bottle (Rock Hardy), Sunday, 20 March 2005 23:34 (twenty-one years ago)

ever since i learned they have people who correct your mistakes, i just fill in random numbers and send them all my forms and stuff to "double-check".

jones (actual), Sunday, 20 March 2005 23:37 (twenty-one years ago)

two weeks pass...
So, yeah. 1099-MISC from City Pages, roughly $2500 in "self-employment" earnings. Do I use Schedule C, Schedule C-EZ or Schedule F (for profit/loss from farming)? Probably not F, of course. But I can't figure out how to use the other two. And then I guess I need Schedule SE on top of it all?!

Nothing was taken from that relatively small amount of profit, but I assume it will absolutely drain any chance I have at a refund. (The last few years have been just under $1K.)

Eric H. (Eric H.), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 20:02 (twenty-one years ago)

I used turbotax online this year since I had some tricky stuff, I totally loved it. It cost like 50 bucks for the state and federal combined though.

teeny (teeny), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 20:11 (twenty-one years ago)

oh shit, i should do mine soon.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 20:13 (twenty-one years ago)

GO FUCK YOURSELF STATE OF CALIFORNIA

I can't see how I can possibly owe you two grand. I'm sure there are people who make twice as much as me who don't owe fuck.

kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 21:49 (twenty-one years ago)

FUCK A TAX DAY

kephm, Thursday, 14 April 2005 14:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Have fun!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 14 April 2005 14:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Argh...

o. nate (onate), Thursday, 14 April 2005 15:02 (twenty-one years ago)

We owe the same as Kyle. Fucking ridiculous.

Samuel Glickstein (nordicskilla), Thursday, 14 April 2005 15:04 (twenty-one years ago)

I haven't done mine yet. I'll do them tonight or tomorrow.

I r queen of last minute taxes.

luna (luna.c), Thursday, 14 April 2005 15:09 (twenty-one years ago)

I still don't get how you end up owing two grand (esp. in Kyle's case, hasn't had the same job all year.) Is your company fucking up what they take out or is their a withholding screwup? Crazy!

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 14 April 2005 15:12 (twenty-one years ago)

2 grand! How horrific. :-( That's gotta be some fucked up withholding thing.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 14 April 2005 15:13 (twenty-one years ago)

You need a system like the British tax system! - good, solid, reliable, British!

Samuel Glickstein (nordicskilla), Thursday, 14 April 2005 15:27 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.armchairhawk.com/images/mainsmall.jpg

kephm, Thursday, 14 April 2005 15:46 (twenty-one years ago)

got mine done 3 weeks ago -- got my fed refund last week, my NY refund (all of $9) is due tomorrow.

suckahs :-P

Eisbär (llamasfur), Thursday, 14 April 2005 16:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh yeah, I did my taxes months ago and already got my money back ($200 for federal and about $250 for state.) It was nice.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 14 April 2005 16:18 (twenty-one years ago)

arr i need my refund please send me my refund

jody the country girl doll (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 14 April 2005 16:24 (twenty-one years ago)

What is the amount that if you make less than that you don't have to pay taxes?

Mary (Mary), Thursday, 14 April 2005 17:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Damned 1099 income. Instead of the usual grand I get. I'm only getting $250 from the govt and then have to take $180 out of that to give to the state of MN. Damn.

Eric von H. (Eric H.), Thursday, 14 April 2005 17:52 (twenty-one years ago)

I ended up in a situation similar to Eric. My Fed. refund is paying my State taxes.

M. White (Miguelito), Thursday, 14 April 2005 17:55 (twenty-one years ago)

hey just be thankful that you don't have to pay taxes to TWO states -- BOTH of which have some of the highest state income tax rates in the country!

Eisbär (llamasfur), Thursday, 14 April 2005 17:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Tad, sweetie, how much do you have to make in order to pay taxes?

Mary (Mary), Thursday, 14 April 2005 18:08 (twenty-one years ago)

$7,951 and up and you have to file

kephm, Thursday, 14 April 2005 18:13 (twenty-one years ago)

I was owing a few hundred dollars because of federal self-employment taxes on the 1099 from my band, so I had to come up with all sorts of music-related deductions (all the cds I bought, gear, gas, rehearsal space food, etc.) to get in the red.

Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 14 April 2005 18:14 (twenty-one years ago)

(gross)-federal.

xpost

kephm, Thursday, 14 April 2005 18:14 (twenty-one years ago)

i just got 5 bucks more on Telefile than what I calculated myself. sweet.

AaronK (AaronK), Thursday, 14 April 2005 18:23 (twenty-one years ago)

did you ask for your refund to be direct deposited jody? I did and it happened within the week! It was great!

teeny (teeny), Thursday, 14 April 2005 18:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Thanks for the baseline! I searched all over the IRS site and couldn'd find it.

Mary (Mary), Thursday, 14 April 2005 18:29 (twenty-one years ago)

goddamn it I wrote a big thing and it got POXY FULED

anyway, you wind up owing money this way:

if you're married, and you mark "married filing jointly" on your withholding forms at work, they withhold LESS money from your check than they would if you marked "single." this is because the tax system (wrongly, in almost all cases) assumes that if you're married and filing jointly, you're supporting your wife. If both people are working, you have to go through the two-earner, two job worksheet to find out what the difference is b/w what they'll withhold and how much taxes you will actually owe. This is almost always short though for some reason. (note: this is all only true for Federal. State, which is what I owe, doesn't bother to give you a nice worksheet to figure this out. They just say "fuck you", give you no tools to find out how much you owe, and then charge you when you're short. This is called "California is broke and squeezing you for money, bitches.").

If your income fluctuates from month to month because of overtime or bonuses or something, then God help you.


Being married sucks for taxes because of this, and also, this: say you make 70k. Say your spouse make 40k. If you're single, you pay the tax rate for someone making 70k, and your spouse would pay the rate for someone making 40k. But if you're married, you pay the rate for ONE income making 110k. Which is a higher percentage than the others. This means you pay more taxes when you're married than single people making the same money. This is called the marriage penalty and everyone thinks that they got rid of it last year. They did, but only for very low income people. The rest of the country (ie: the middle class) gets fucked.

kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 14 April 2005 18:58 (twenty-one years ago)

but, thank god for schedule C. I got to deduct 3k worth of business expenses.

kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 14 April 2005 19:03 (twenty-one years ago)

AKM makes a great case for why you should always elect to have taxes taken out at the single rate.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 14 April 2005 19:38 (twenty-one years ago)

you can pay taxes off over 12-24 month periods w/ interest rates that are pretty low compared to an interest rate you'd get on what is essentially a loan. if you can pay a chunk of it upfront and then spread the rest out over a period of time at the cost of a few hundred extra bucks it's prob worth it imo (nyc freelancer life)

slob wizard (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 14 April 2026 15:35 (two weeks ago)

idk what magic sarahell used, but we got a big return this year after being totally screwed last year

Serfin' USA (sleeve), Tuesday, 14 April 2026 15:37 (two weeks ago)

Lol you can pay taxes off over whatever period you want… you aren’t required to sign up for an official payment plan. The main benefit of the official payment plan is that you won’t risk wage garnishments … as a freelancer, this wouldn’t be relevant.

sarahell, Tuesday, 14 April 2026 16:01 (two weeks ago)

Geese are even getting their songtitles to the top of ILE, it's all paid for

imago, Tuesday, 14 April 2026 16:03 (two weeks ago)

Lol you can pay taxes off over whatever period you want… you aren’t required to sign up for an official payment plan. The main benefit of the official payment plan is that you won’t risk wage garnishments … as a freelancer, this wouldn’t be relevant.

― sarahell, Tuesday, April 14, 2026 12:01 PM (thirteen minutes ago)

helpful tip and i didn't even have to pay you!

slob wizard (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 14 April 2026 16:14 (two weeks ago)

sorry to link to l*ss wr*ng but here is a post from a guy who has made his entire personality about filing taxes correctly but not paying them... apparently the IRS can't do much thanks to statutes of limitation https://www.lesswrong .com/posts/AskPyNg6hHP6SrmEy/redirecting-one-s-own-taxes-as-an-effective-altruism-method

, Tuesday, 14 April 2026 16:18 (two weeks ago)

Uh, the IRS can do things … dude is just lucky.

sarahell, Tuesday, 14 April 2026 16:20 (two weeks ago)

I had a client during the Iraq war who mailed her payment to the social security administration as a protest action (it was self-employment tax) … didn’t work out for her, sadly.

sarahell, Tuesday, 14 April 2026 16:22 (two weeks ago)

my returns are usually pretty simple... I used the new IRS free file last year which worked very well, and of course was cancelled by the Trump admin. I'm sure Turbo Tax or someone like that made a hefty contribution to make it go away

So I went down to the library and got the paper forms... If they're gonna inconvenience me, then I'm gonna inconvenience them

Andy the Grasshopper, Tuesday, 14 April 2026 16:50 (two weeks ago)

I took an early distribution from my 401k last year, from which was withheld about a third in taxes, but they failed to warn me about the 5-figure tax penalty I have to pay also. For using my own frigging money.

the days don't get easier, the gaps just get bigger (Eliza D.), Tuesday, 14 April 2026 16:54 (two weeks ago)

Got my first significant return (not even that significant really) in ages because all I had was a W-2, no self-employment income or EBay. Finishing in under 15 minutes was pretty nice.

Lady Sovereign (Citizen) (milo z), Tuesday, 14 April 2026 17:03 (two weeks ago)

Xp — did you look through the various exceptions to the penalty and determine none applied?

It is super demoralizing telling clients that they owe under this administration… I have a trans client who is afraid to deduct her medical expenses for gender affirming treatment…

sarahell, Tuesday, 14 April 2026 17:31 (two weeks ago)

I did, and every exception I checked it was like, "lol, nope!"

the days don't get easier, the gaps just get bigger (Eliza D.), Tuesday, 14 April 2026 19:09 (two weeks ago)

my tax prep people have really jacked up their prices and it's now almost double what they cost when i started using them a few years ago so i used an online site for expats. it probably took 4-5 hours to fill everything out and collect all the info but they only charge like $175 for it and it worked fine

― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, April 15, 2026 1:09 AM (four hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

Tell me about this site. E pays an absolute fortune to get her US expat taxes done.

Ed, Tuesday, 14 April 2026 19:54 (two weeks ago)

We owe close to five grand this year. We collectively made 72 grand last year. We don't have 5 grand.

Fuck this shithole country.

a tv star not a dirty computer man (the table is the table), Tuesday, 14 April 2026 21:16 (two weeks ago)

that sucks! sorry to hear that

Andy the Grasshopper, Tuesday, 14 April 2026 21:22 (two weeks ago)

if anyone is stressing, I just used an online free filing thing called TaxSlayer and it went pretty well... no charge and they were able to file my CA taxes as well

Andy the Grasshopper, Tuesday, 14 April 2026 21:25 (two weeks ago)

TurboTax wanted to charge me $70 to file with student loan interest (of maybe $15?), so I used one of the free ones on the IRS site.

Lady Sovereign (Citizen) (milo z), Tuesday, 14 April 2026 21:33 (two weeks ago)

i filed for an extension and we’re going to go to a tax person. i am pretty sure that what is happening is that because we file together, it is thinking that i am receiving excess ACA subsidies…. but I pay for my plan myself?

i just can’t believe this shit. 7% of our yearly income, and for what!

a tv star not a dirty computer man (the table is the table), Tuesday, 14 April 2026 21:38 (two weeks ago)

Figured it out: basically, I gave our financial info to PA ACA marketplace— if there are changes in income, then you are supposed to inform them. Of course, I didn't think to inform them when my husband became salaried and started making a fair amount more money in September, because why would I? But this altered our tax liability, and thus altered what I would have been offered in subsidies, and now we need to pay some/all of that back.

Sick sad world.

a tv star not a dirty computer man (the table is the table), Tuesday, 14 April 2026 22:47 (two weeks ago)

Ugh that sucks.

paper plans (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 14 April 2026 23:00 (two weeks ago)

table that is exactly what happened to me when I owed last year, my sympathies

Serfin' USA (sleeve), Wednesday, 15 April 2026 00:08 (one week ago)

now I have no ACA at all, so that's that

Serfin' USA (sleeve), Wednesday, 15 April 2026 00:09 (one week ago)

TurboTax wanted to charge me $70 to file with student loan interest (of maybe $15?), so I used one of the free ones on the IRS site.

― Lady Sovereign (Citizen) (milo z), Tuesday, April 14, 2026 2:33 PM (four hours ago)

probably the last year I use them. I owed 1k in federal and got 2k back in state and after all their fees ended up only getting 600-700 or so back

comrade jhøsh (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 15 April 2026 01:56 (one week ago)

Got a decent state refund this year and a very small federal refund. (I use TurboTax.) It helps that my record label loses money every year. But I'm currently in the process of reconfiguring BA as a 501(c)(3), and I lost my day job in October, and I really don't know what effect those two things are gonna have for next year.

wipes chooser (unperson), Wednesday, 15 April 2026 02:34 (one week ago)

The ACA subsidy repayment thing is one of the things I hate the most about the current tax code (and I am far too familiar with the federal tax code… because I had to study for the fancy licensing exam last year)… there have been caps on repayment in the past, but this year’s stupid bill eliminated them all.

The way they calculate the subsidies can also be weird… idk … I remember how much I had to pay before ACA existed so I always overestimate my income because $300/month for health insurance is still cheap based on my memory. …of course if I couldn’t afford $300/month, that would be a different story.

sarahell, Wednesday, 15 April 2026 19:33 (one week ago)

Meanwhile I have become an accidental salesperson for self-employed retirement accounts…

sarahell, Wednesday, 15 April 2026 19:39 (one week ago)

i have been trying to speak to someone at the IRS for over 2 weeks, I call multiple times a day and get all the way though until it goes to transfer me to someone and then I get the " We are experiencing extreme high volume please try later or tomorrow, bye"

I'm really at my wits end, it's really fucked up for them to send a notice with instructions to call by a certain date and then it's impossible to get through.

(•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 22 April 2026 14:23 (six days ago)


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