I HATE APPLE

as a veteran of the days of having to grapple w/config.sys to wring as much out of the 640k of ram as possible i am somewhat confused as to why plugging in an ipod and having it copy yr music automatically confounds some people

there is no copying. if you plug it into a comp. foreign to where you have your music it finds nothing on the comp and deletes every single thing you've got on the ipod. i'm constantly switching between desktop and laptop + uni. computer labs so it became mostly a hassle, as i have music spread out on (save for uni.,obv.) both comps

Uh, that is if you SYNC IT with a foreign comp. And it asks you if you want to sync with that one instead. If you want to fuck with the contents of your ipod at a foreign computer, turn on manual library management.

the sparkling world of music

What is he, a Twilight vampire?

Don't get me wrong, there needs to be a lot more configuration with libraries and something more advanced than the iTunes Home Sharing feature, but blaming Apple for not doing something awesome and innovative with file management when you're having trouble managing your own files is kind of a non-starter.

Having actually read Brooker's piece now, the only thing he's missing is that there is a checkbox to do exactly what he wants to do, but he'll end up dragging the files in iTunes, not in the Finder. Pretty sure the computer industry is still ineffectively trying to deprecate things like the Finder and Windows Explorer, but they just haven't found a better system yet.

imo having iTunes or whatever manage all your media is easier because you don't give a shit where the files are, but I might just be rigidly embracing my new anti-ocd aesthetic.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/steve-jobs/8354215/Gordon-Brown-blocked-knighthood-for-Steve-Jobs.html

guess who else hates apple

― Neu! romancer (dayo), Tuesday, March 1, 2011 2:52 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

lol that article is by my brother

I don't getting the syncing gripes either. I plug my iphone into 3 different computers regularly and it only syncs to one, and only when I tell it to. Its pretty customizable.

Customizable via itunes.

which, lemme elaborate, is bloatware that takes up to 4minutes to boot up before giving you another delay while it decides to sync for another minute or so. whereas i can drag and drop win. explorer folders onto my walkman (mp3) and be done with it within a timespan of 40seconds.

which, lemme elaborate, is bloatware that takes up to 4minutes to boot up before giving you another delay while it decides to sync for another minute or so. whereas i can drag and drop win. explorer folders onto my walkman (mp3) and be done with it within a timespan of 40seconds.

Syncing works perfectly for me, I just hate that I have to do it at all.

tbf i think you have a shit computer if it takes 4 minutes for itunes to load

just timed mine - 8 seconds

i have had problems w/it being slow as hell on older computers tho

i've got 15gigs left, so yeah, it's a slo-mo. which is why the comment upthread that i have the music spread on a variety of comps.

You're telling me I can have every piece of music ever recorded playable right in front of me but i have to wait 4 minutes for it to book up!!??

F that.

iono i don't despise apple but after 7 or so ipods, ranging from shuffles to fullblown 80gig wonderkids, i don't think i've ever realized how much more efficient a plainjane mp3 player has been (and a lot less costly). there's an insane amount of customizability, all my album artwork is displayed (via a drag and drop of a single picture into the folder, which is p great and doesn't copy itself to multiple mb's like it does on itunes w/ each song getting it's own picture), and battery life lasts for days.

maybe something will fuck up in the next month or so but otherwise i'm kinda astonished how long i had been living under a cloud just b/c it seemed natural to buy an ipod and nothing else.

xpost

see: internet browser

I really like the iTunes genius function

it's like pandora with your own music

the new thumbplay beta is pretty sick yall jus fyi

Oh I have lots of issues with itunes, syncing just isn't one of them. Many xposts

tbf i think you have a shit computer if it takes 4 minutes for itunes to load

this problem is by no means confined to itunes, or to apple (microsoft word, for instance, is like offender #1 here), but there is absolutely no reason any computer manufactured in the last 5 or even possibly 10 years should take 4 minutes to load a media player. as computers became more powerful and became it faster, people stopped bothering with code optimization. which is, amongst other things, an aesthetic loss.

(n.b. i am a linux-running hippie)

not true. 10.4 to 10.5 was all about refactoring and optimization.

i mean this as a general trend from, like, 1990. i am sure that sometimes steve jobs says the word "optimization" onstage.

ugh sorry i've fallen into Be Mean About Apple Mode. always tiresome. although i guess this would be the thread for it.

Constraints of iOS have done wonders here.

10.4 to 10.5 added few new features while making everything smaller and faster.

Everything except iTunes.

iTunes has had some performance boosts, but they keep chucking everything and the kitchen sink into it. It's interestingly monolithic, especially when you consider Apple still has separate Mail/iCal/Contacts apps that are well-built around frameworks that each ties into. iTunes is an iPod manager, online store, and music/video library all in one. I haven't used it on Windows for quite some time, but on newer macs it doesn't do all that bad, outside of a few hiccups when it initiates/finishes syncing a device or when you're being constrained by hard drive access.

I'd almost bet that as things become more iOS-like, we might see either a separation of these interests, or at least a major reworking of how the whole ecosystem links together.

itunes takes like a fortnight to start up on my mbp after a crash. my library is pretty big, and i guess it's rebuilding some cache or something, but it does seem grossly inefficient.

Hard drive thrashing, I would bet.

You'd be amazed how much more smoothly this shit goes on SSDs or fast desktop systems.

10.4 to 10.5 was all about refactoring and optimization.

Do you mean 10.5 to 10.6?

got itunes going here on both mac + pc (duplicating libraries innit) and neither are giving me any probs

I was explaining to a friend the other day that OS X started out with so little optimization and so few GUI features that it'd be impossible not to make it faster over revisions. They kind of did the "ship fast, ship early, ship often" schedule for the first four or five versions.

xxp, yes

is having 5 copies of yr itunes library neurotic or sensible? i'm going for the former :(

Those are backups, it makes perfect sense.

only if all 5 are local xp

yeah :(

no offsite? no cloud versh?

this is 100% otm in my opinion and, given enough time (probably quite a lot), it will eventually be the thing that kills apple.

http://arstechnica.com/staff/fatbits/2011/03/the-apple-strategy-tax.ars

This article explains what people itt were talking about:

http://www.9to5mac.com/54578/apple-negotiating-unlimited-song-downloadspermanent-music-backups-for-itunes/

Currently, iTunes users need to repurchase music if they want to wirelessly download the songs to other iOS devices. Users could also of course sync via iTunes on their Mac or PC to work around these download charges.

(not that I ever thought you guys were wrong, I just didn't understand)

Currently, iTunes users need to repurchase music if they want to wirelessly download the songs to other iOS devices.

Well, that's another way of saying "there is no wireless sync". If you're not near your computer, you have to download it from the iTunes store as if new.

I suppose the bandwidth costs of everyone treating re-download as a cloud storage solution would be not inconsiderable, certainly for video.

http://images.macrumors.com/article/2011/03/07/131951-justin_ipad_2_in_store.jpg

I suppose the bandwidth costs of everyone treating re-download as a cloud storage solution would be not inconsiderable, certainly for video.

Yes especially because after like a day or so, people would stop thinking of it as "redownloading" and more as "hitting the play button".

I was very close to posting creepy camping-for-iPad guy, I am glad someone else did.